Comments on: I Hate So I Am http://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/19/i-hate-so-i-am/ Promoting a fierce but respectful dialogue among the highly diverse youth of the Middle East Sun, 21 Mar 2010 15:07:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Grumpyhttp://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/19/i-hate-so-i-am/#comment-6423 Grumpy Tue, 21 Nov 2006 01:17:35 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/19/i-hate-so-i-am/#comment-6423 I'm sorry, Arash, but I didn't understand that. I am interested in constructive debate and do try to keep an open mind. I found out a long time ago that I don't know everything, and a bit later I discovered that an unknown percentage of what I did "know" wasn't allways the whole story. I’m sorry, Arash, but I didn’t understand that. I am interested in constructive debate and do try to keep an open mind. I found out a long time ago that I don’t know everything, and a bit later I discovered that an unknown percentage of what I did “know” wasn’t allways the whole story.

]]> By: Arash (Iran)http://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/19/i-hate-so-i-am/#comment-6403 Arash (Iran) Mon, 20 Nov 2006 23:25:06 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/19/i-hate-so-i-am/#comment-6403 Grumpy, Or the fact that you seem to have "labels" for both sides of the story. (revised!) Grumpy,
Or the fact that you seem to have “labels” for both sides of the story. (revised!)

]]> By: Grumpyhttp://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/19/i-hate-so-i-am/#comment-6397 Grumpy Mon, 20 Nov 2006 22:44:11 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/19/i-hate-so-i-am/#comment-6397 Arash, "It seems that there is no hope for a more collaborative discussion anytime soon…"If you mean with me, which of my points do you disagree with, that the cops were thugs or that the student was stupid? Arash,
“It seems that there is no hope for a more collaborative discussion anytime soon…”

If you mean with me, which of my points do you disagree with, that the cops were thugs or that the student was stupid?

]]> By: Arash (Iran)http://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/19/i-hate-so-i-am/#comment-6377 Arash (Iran) Mon, 20 Nov 2006 20:12:13 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/19/i-hate-so-i-am/#comment-6377 EdoRiver <blockquote>Only religion can do that.</blockquote> I really wish you were right. EdoRiver

Only religion can do that.

I really wish you were right.

]]> By: Arash (Iran)http://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/19/i-hate-so-i-am/#comment-6376 Arash (Iran) Mon, 20 Nov 2006 20:08:53 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/19/i-hate-so-i-am/#comment-6376 Grumpy, It seems that there is no hope for a more collaborative discussion anytime soon... Grumpy,
It seems that there is no hope for a more collaborative discussion anytime soon…

]]> By: Arash (Iran)http://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/19/i-hate-so-i-am/#comment-6375 Arash (Iran) Mon, 20 Nov 2006 20:07:31 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/19/i-hate-so-i-am/#comment-6375 Drima, I hope that's the worst Persian swear that you know. :) Drima,
I hope that’s the worst Persian swear that you know. :)

]]> By: Esra'ahttp://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/19/i-hate-so-i-am/#comment-6338 Esra'a Mon, 20 Nov 2006 11:04:19 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/19/i-hate-so-i-am/#comment-6338 <blockquote>Esra’a you’re very talkative. Khafisho.</blockquote> Shhhh and go study! :D

Esra’a you’re very talkative. Khafisho.

Shhhh and go study! :D

]]> By: EdoRiverhttp://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/19/i-hate-so-i-am/#comment-6327 EdoRiver Mon, 20 Nov 2006 09:20:45 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/19/i-hate-so-i-am/#comment-6327 Wish we could get the guy to write a short essay.Arash I think your point was well made, the analogy to almost any confrontation happening offline is the same. We don't change our attitudes just because we are online. Only religion can do that. And even so we have to want to change ourselves for the better. And it takes daily effort. How easy is it to say, "I believe in this, or I believe in that," It is what happens afterward that really counts. ONe day to the next,<b> for the rest of our lives</b> Wish we could get the guy to write a short essay.Arash I think your point was well made, the analogy to almost any confrontation happening offline is the same. We don’t change our attitudes just because we are online. Only religion can do that. And even so we have to want to change ourselves for the better. And it takes daily effort. How easy is it to say, “I believe in this, or I believe in that,” It is what happens afterward that really counts. ONe day to the next,

for the rest of our lives

]]> By: Grumpyhttp://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/19/i-hate-so-i-am/#comment-6324 Grumpy Mon, 20 Nov 2006 08:27:47 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/19/i-hate-so-i-am/#comment-6324 Excessive force, abuse of authority, and general thugishness, or so it looks from my (limited) point of view. That said...Does anyone ever win an arguement with a cop? No? Then why start one?Especially considering that although only a small percentage of cops are thugs, 100% of them will insist on following procedure. You cooperate, let them work thru their checklist and you're on your way. Getting impatient, frustrated, offended and yelling at them is, well... couter-productive.NO, the kid did not deserve what happened to him. YES, the kid is a frakin' moron. Excessive force, abuse of authority, and general thugishness, or so it looks from my (limited) point of view. That said…

Does anyone ever win an arguement with a cop?
No?
Then why start one?

Especially considering that although only a small percentage of cops are thugs, 100% of them will insist on following procedure. You cooperate, let them work thru their checklist and you’re on your way. Getting impatient, frustrated, offended and yelling at them is, well… couter-productive.

NO, the kid did not deserve what happened to him. YES, the kid is a frakin’ moron.

]]> By: Drimahttp://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/19/i-hate-so-i-am/#comment-6309 Drima Mon, 20 Nov 2006 04:01:39 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/19/i-hate-so-i-am/#comment-6309 Arash, I know a lot of bad words too :)Esra'a you're very talkative. Khafisho. LOL :) Arash, I know a lot of bad words too :)

Esra’a you’re very talkative. Khafisho. LOL :)

]]> By: Arash (Iran)http://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/19/i-hate-so-i-am/#comment-6306 Arash (Iran) Mon, 20 Nov 2006 03:58:00 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/19/i-hate-so-i-am/#comment-6306 Esra'a That's too close. It is actually "Khoda Hafez". Any way, the Persian one is great and I do not think you need to practice more. :) Esra’a
That’s too close. It is actually “Khoda Hafez”. Any way, the Persian one is great and I do not think you need to practice more. :)

]]> By: Arash (Iran)http://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/19/i-hate-so-i-am/#comment-6305 Arash (Iran) Mon, 20 Nov 2006 03:56:39 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/19/i-hate-so-i-am/#comment-6305 Drima, That is great! I am sorry I have been taught Arabic for over five years and now I can not even say one word. :( Drima,
That is great! I am sorry I have been taught Arabic for over five years and now I can not even say one word. :(

]]> By: Esra'ahttp://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/19/i-hate-so-i-am/#comment-6303 Esra'a Mon, 20 Nov 2006 03:44:02 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/19/i-hate-so-i-am/#comment-6303 I think it's "Khoda Hafiz."Shab be kheyr.Man bayaad farsi ro bishtar tamrin konam. I think it’s “Khoda Hafiz.”

Shab be kheyr.

Man bayaad farsi ro bishtar tamrin konam.

]]> By: Drimahttp://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/19/i-hate-so-i-am/#comment-6302 Drima Mon, 20 Nov 2006 03:32:37 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/19/i-hate-so-i-am/#comment-6302 Khod Hafiz :) Khod Hafiz :)

]]> By: Arash (Iran)http://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/19/i-hate-so-i-am/#comment-6301 Arash (Iran) Mon, 20 Nov 2006 03:17:59 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/19/i-hate-so-i-am/#comment-6301 Drima and Brando, As we say in Persian, Chakerim (an informal and friendly way of saying thanks). Drima and Brando,
As we say in Persian, Chakerim (an informal and friendly way of saying thanks).

]]> By: brandohttp://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/19/i-hate-so-i-am/#comment-6299 brando Mon, 20 Nov 2006 03:09:27 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/19/i-hate-so-i-am/#comment-6299 Well done, it needed to be said. Well done, it needed to be said.

]]> By: Drimahttp://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/19/i-hate-so-i-am/#comment-6297 Drima Mon, 20 Nov 2006 02:51:20 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/19/i-hate-so-i-am/#comment-6297 Arash, that's a great post you have here. Arash, that’s a great post you have here.

]]> By: Arash (Iran)http://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/19/i-hate-so-i-am/#comment-6295 Arash (Iran) Mon, 20 Nov 2006 02:07:52 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/19/i-hate-so-i-am/#comment-6295 Esra'a I am really positive that we can do something really good here. And thanks for your continuous supervision and response to the comments. By the way, congratulations for the opening of the shop. :) Esra’a
I am really positive that we can do something really good here. And thanks for your continuous supervision and response to the comments.
By the way, congratulations for the opening of the shop. :)

]]> By: Esra'ahttp://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/19/i-hate-so-i-am/#comment-6294 Esra'a Mon, 20 Nov 2006 02:02:18 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/19/i-hate-so-i-am/#comment-6294 This is such an excellent post, Arash, because you can apply it to anything, especially the Israel/Hezbollah war which was all over the blogosphere.The problem is that when you delete such comments or moderate them, people accuse you of being an enemy to "freedom of speech."It's making me very sad. We claim to fight for civility, but one little event changes our minds and we all start yelling at each other because we can't agree. There is no room for respect anymore. No room for friendly yet heated debates. No room for questioning without resorting to insults, and we always, always insist on knowing everything. "I speak through experience! I speak through knowledge! I speak because I see the obvious!"There will be no knowledge if this is how we react. There will be no friendly discussions. There will be no hope. And thus, we are hardly taking advantage of this powerful new medium.Mideast Youth should change that. People are too used to writing insulting comments that they bring their attitudes to this place as well. We should clean this environment, and really prove that this place is hopeful. This is such an excellent post, Arash, because you can apply it to anything, especially the Israel/Hezbollah war which was all over the blogosphere.

The problem is that when you delete such comments or moderate them, people accuse you of being an enemy to “freedom of speech.”

It’s making me very sad. We claim to fight for civility, but one little event changes our minds and we all start yelling at each other because we can’t agree. There is no room for respect anymore. No room for friendly yet heated debates. No room for questioning without resorting to insults, and we always, always insist on knowing everything. “I speak through experience! I speak through knowledge! I speak because I see the obvious!”

There will be no knowledge if this is how we react. There will be no friendly discussions. There will be no hope. And thus, we are hardly taking advantage of this powerful new medium.

Mideast Youth should change that. People are too used to writing insulting comments that they bring their attitudes to this place as well. We should clean this environment, and really prove that this place is hopeful.

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