Comments on: The Veil is Regressive http://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/21/the-veil-is-regressive/ Thinking Ahead Sat, 11 Feb 2012 20:46:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: elinor(Iran) http://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/21/the-veil-is-regressive/#comment-2348 elinor(Iran) Thu, 13 Dec 2007 06:10:26 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/21/the-veil-is-regressive/#comment-2348 Arash, That was exactly hat I was thinking about. Egypt has managed to be more moderate, the extremists are not given enough validity to take over and make another Iran, at the same time they have a voice and they can have their cultural and religious social works as much as possible. Egypt, although took part in all wars of the region, when it came to cease fire it signed the contracts and tried to keep its word. It has a reasonable relationship with Israel and it is a backer of the needs and rights of people in Gaza, although it is so challenging to be involved, but Egypt doesn't just sit back indifferently. Arash,
That was exactly hat I was thinking about. Egypt has managed to be more moderate, the extremists are not given enough validity to take over and make another Iran, at the same time they have a voice and they can have their cultural and religious social works as much as possible.
Egypt, although took part in all wars of the region, when it came to cease fire it signed the contracts and tried to keep its word.
It has a reasonable relationship with Israel and it is a backer of the needs and rights of people in Gaza, although it is so challenging to be involved, but Egypt doesn’t just sit back indifferently.

]]> By: patricia http://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/21/the-veil-is-regressive/#comment-2347 patricia Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:10:21 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/21/the-veil-is-regressive/#comment-2347 hi how can you say wearing a veil is regressive if it is by choice? i think everyone should have a choice to wear what they want that is how i see liberalism as. government should not involve itself in prohibiting what to wear and what not to wear. we accept free choice and free speech what about freedom to wera what we want ? what do you think? hi
how can you say wearing a veil is regressive if it is by choice? i think everyone should have a choice to wear what they want that is how i see liberalism as. government should not involve itself in prohibiting what to wear and what not to wear. we accept free choice and free speech what about freedom to wera what we want ?
what do you think?

]]> By: ahmed http://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/21/the-veil-is-regressive/#comment-2346 ahmed Sun, 14 Jan 2007 15:26:34 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/21/the-veil-is-regressive/#comment-2346 Patrick, I just saw your comment. although it is a little bit late, but I would like to congratulate you on your very precise analysis. As an Egyptian, I grew up with the end of Nasser era, and the begining of Sadat era. I support Minister Hosny's remarks. My mother for example was a leftist activist during the 50's and 60's. She had freedoms, we can now only dream of. However, as a university prof, she went to work in Saudi, over there she had to put on a veil, and then 6 yrs later, when she returned to Egypt, her colleagues told her that it is a great sin to remove that headscarf/veil. That was in 1983. When we started seeing women in the streets wearing headscarf/veil. Now, it is the majority who is covering their hair, and men growing their beard and have the prayer mark on their forehead. Again, you are right on the money when you say that there is a counter religious revolution. the Moslem Brotherhood parade was a wake up call to everybody. Patrick, I just saw your comment. although it is a little bit late, but I would like to congratulate you on your very precise analysis. As an Egyptian, I grew up with the end of Nasser era, and the begining of Sadat era. I support Minister Hosny’s remarks. My mother for example was a leftist activist during the 50′s and 60′s. She had freedoms, we can now only dream of. However, as a university prof, she went to work in Saudi, over there she had to put on a veil, and then 6 yrs later, when she returned to Egypt, her colleagues told her that it is a great sin to remove that headscarf/veil. That was in 1983. When we started seeing women in the streets wearing headscarf/veil. Now, it is the majority who is covering their hair, and men growing their beard and have the prayer mark on their forehead. Again, you are right on the money when you say that there is a counter religious revolution. the Moslem Brotherhood parade was a wake up call to everybody.

]]> By: Edo River http://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/21/the-veil-is-regressive/#comment-2345 Edo River Thu, 23 Nov 2006 07:50:13 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/21/the-veil-is-regressive/#comment-2345 Jordan, I can't find the quote, but I read that only Canada is below the US of the group in the Organization of Developed States, which has a lower rate of economic circulation among the members of the lowest economic classes into the higher levels. Thanks Patrick, I have found pretty much complete support for your remarks in the Google video produced by the BBC, "Nightmare of Fear, part one". Jordan, I can’t find the quote, but I read that only Canada is below the US of the group in the Organization of Developed States, which has a lower rate of economic circulation among the members of the lowest economic classes into the higher levels.
Thanks Patrick, I have found pretty much complete support for your remarks in the Google video produced by the BBC, “Nightmare of Fear, part one”.

]]> By: Jordan http://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/21/the-veil-is-regressive/#comment-2344 Jordan Thu, 23 Nov 2006 06:38:13 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/21/the-veil-is-regressive/#comment-2344 Thank you Patrick for that well written explanation. Your not the first to link Saudi Arabia to this rise, I recently heard the same regarding Morocco's rising of Islam. As a Canadian, I was very impressed (and proud) when the Islamic community took complete responsibility for a recent home-grown terrorist attempt. No "Israel does this, America does that". Just the words "we have work to do". It really gave me hope that Canada is not the next Britain or France. One remark from a Canadian Iman which surprised me was his request for the government to stop allowing Saudi money build mosques and provide textbooks. I hope us liberal Canadians can abandon our political correctness, take the Iman's advice, and isolate Saudi Arabia. Thank you Patrick for that well written explanation.

Your not the first to link Saudi Arabia to this rise, I recently heard the same regarding Morocco’s rising of Islam.

As a Canadian, I was very impressed (and proud) when the Islamic community took complete responsibility for a recent home-grown terrorist attempt. No “Israel does this, America does that”. Just the words “we have work to do”.

It really gave me hope that Canada is not the next Britain or France.

One remark from a Canadian Iman which surprised me was his request for the government to stop allowing Saudi money build mosques and provide textbooks.

I hope us liberal Canadians can abandon our political correctness, take the Iman’s advice, and isolate Saudi Arabia.

]]> By: Patrick http://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/21/the-veil-is-regressive/#comment-2343 Patrick Wed, 22 Nov 2006 23:57:19 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/21/the-veil-is-regressive/#comment-2343 I would say that the regression of liberalism in Egyptian society has been ongoing since the 1970s/1980s and reached a peak in the early 90s and again after 9/11. It can't really be traced to socialism because Egypt maintained its colonial-era liberal nature throughout Nasser's reign in the 60s, which was the height of Egypt's social liberalism. I think the spread of Wahhabism had a lot to do with it. The lack of economic oppurtunities in Egypt coupled with out of control overpopulation made life in Egypt unbearable for most of the country. Add to this the debts the government incurred from financing wars with Israel and the rampant corruption that enriched the elite, and you have a situation where many commoners couldn't make a life in Egypt. So these people started going to Saudi Arabia at the start of the oil boom in the 70s and would go back indoctrinated by radical Saudi idelogoy. Oil money financed mosques and Islamic organizations in Egypt and soon Islam became a refuge for the poor and uneducated, those abandoned by their government. It eventually moved up to the middle classes and is now a social trend. Farouk Hosni is a very well-educated and cultured guy, a well-established member of Egypt's elite, and a remnant of the colonial and revolutionary generation that grew up without religious influence. Though I think we're beginning to see a counter-religious reformation, with a return to secular values, particularly among the rich. But I'm an optimist. I would say that the regression of liberalism in Egyptian society has been ongoing since the 1970s/1980s and reached a peak in the early 90s and again after 9/11. It can’t really be traced to socialism because Egypt maintained its colonial-era liberal nature throughout Nasser’s reign in the 60s, which was the height of Egypt’s social liberalism. I think the spread of Wahhabism had a lot to do with it. The lack of economic oppurtunities in Egypt coupled with out of control overpopulation made life in Egypt unbearable for most of the country. Add to this the debts the government incurred from financing wars with Israel and the rampant corruption that enriched the elite, and you have a situation where many commoners couldn’t make a life in Egypt. So these people started going to Saudi Arabia at the start of the oil boom in the 70s and would go back indoctrinated by radical Saudi idelogoy. Oil money financed mosques and Islamic organizations in Egypt and soon Islam became a refuge for the poor and uneducated, those abandoned by their government. It eventually moved up to the middle classes and is now a social trend. Farouk Hosni is a very well-educated and cultured guy, a well-established member of Egypt’s elite, and a remnant of the colonial and revolutionary generation that grew up without religious influence.

Though I think we’re beginning to see a counter-religious reformation, with a return to secular values, particularly among the rich. But I’m an optimist.

]]> By: Rancher http://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/21/the-veil-is-regressive/#comment-2342 Rancher Wed, 22 Nov 2006 17:41:21 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/21/the-veil-is-regressive/#comment-2342 If politicians in the West get crucified for such remarks I can imagine how well they will be received in Egypt. If politicians in the West get crucified for such remarks I can imagine how well they will be received in Egypt.

]]> By: Jordan http://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/21/the-veil-is-regressive/#comment-2341 Jordan Wed, 22 Nov 2006 11:48:32 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/21/the-veil-is-regressive/#comment-2341 Brave man. Brave fired and possibly at risk man! Incedently, what did happen? How did liberalism die? Brave man.
Brave fired and possibly at risk man!

Incedently, what did happen? How did liberalism die?

]]> By: Arash (Iran) http://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/21/the-veil-is-regressive/#comment-2340 Arash (Iran) Wed, 22 Nov 2006 02:27:17 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2006/11/21/the-veil-is-regressive/#comment-2340 Good that there are different sounds there. Good that there are different sounds there.

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