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	<title>Comments on: Sudan: Arab or African?</title>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/02/03/sudan-arab-or-african/#comment-27291</link>
		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2011 12:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi.. Some one anyone please explain to me about the Lahawin tribe?????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi.. Some one anyone please explain to me about the Lahawin tribe?????</p>
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		<title>By: l-ray</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/02/03/sudan-arab-or-african/#comment-26778</link>
		<dc:creator>l-ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 01:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@mamoud.....that&#039;s an interesting opinion but unfortunately I don&#039;t think your arabbrothers agree...




Lebanon seeks to contain fallout from raid on Sudanese cancer fundraising event


June 20, 2010 (KHARTOUM) — The Lebanese government moved quickly today to defuse anger caused by media reports that security forces in Beirut ruthlessly raided a cancer fundraising event hosted by Sudanese citizens.
 A member of the Lebanese Internal Security Forces (AFP) 
Lebanese newspapers this week quoted some of those who attended as accusing the police of using brutality to disperse the gathering at a ballroom in Al-Awaze’y area South of Beirut, shouting racial slurs against them.

The eyewitnesses said that minutes into the party, heavily armed Lebanese police broke in and started beating them with batons calling them names such as &quot;animals&quot; and &quot;niggers&quot;.

A man by the name of Alaa Al-Abdullah told Al-Nashra newspaper that despite being present legally in Lebanon he and the others were forced to lay on their stomach in the street after blocking car entry into the area. He added that police forces placed their boots on their heads and necks.

Another man by the name of Abbas said that when they were asked by the police how they speak Arabic so fluently, they responded by saying that they are Arabs from Sudan. According to him, the officers thought they were &quot;making fun of them&quot; and started another round of beating.

Others said that Lebanese people living in the area intervened and tried to protect the Sudanese forcing the police to call for reinforcements.

The Sudanese citizens were taken to the police station and those with legal residency were released afterwards.

But the head of the Lebanese general security director-general Wafiq Jazini denied abuse of force by the police saying that the Sudanese attempted to escape and described accounts saying otherwise as &quot;lies&quot;. Jazini stressed that only those who were in the country illegally have been detained.

The Sudanese discussion boards started a campaign calling for boycotting Lebanese businesses in the country which range from lavish restaurants to cell phone companies across Sudan. A petition is being generated demanding an investigation and an apology.

There are around 750 Lebanese citizens living in Sudan, according to figures from the Lebanese embassy in Khartoum.

Many people in Sudan accuse Lebanese of viewing them as underdogs and being racist against them because of their color.

Sudan official news agency (SUNA) quoted the Lebanese ambassador Ahmed Ibrahim Shamat as condemning the events that took place and beating of Sudanese citizens.

Shamat who was speaking at a press conference at the embassy said that an investigation is underway to determine responsibility and that those implicated will be punished.

The diplomat said he conveyed apologies of the Lebanese foreign minister over what happened and said that it should not have any impact on bilateral relations. He criticized calls for boycotting Lebanese products and businesses saying that they are blowing things out of proportion.

In response to questions about racial remarks allegedly made by Lebanese security, Shamat said that priests wear black color as a sign of respect and that the Kaaba in Mecca is covered in black silk.

The Sudanese foreign ministry spokesperson Muawiya Khalid told reporters that the embassy in Beirut will seek to resolve statuses of those present illegally and reinstating the rights of those who were victims to police brutality if proven.

Khalid called on Sudanese living abroad to adjust their statuses and ensure they have papers entitling them to live there.


YOU WERE SAYING?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@mamoud&#8230;..that&#8217;s an interesting opinion but unfortunately I don&#8217;t think your arabbrothers agree&#8230;</p>
<p>Lebanon seeks to contain fallout from raid on Sudanese cancer fundraising event</p>
<p>June 20, 2010 (KHARTOUM) — The Lebanese government moved quickly today to defuse anger caused by media reports that security forces in Beirut ruthlessly raided a cancer fundraising event hosted by Sudanese citizens.<br />
 A member of the Lebanese Internal Security Forces (AFP)<br />
Lebanese newspapers this week quoted some of those who attended as accusing the police of using brutality to disperse the gathering at a ballroom in Al-Awaze’y area South of Beirut, shouting racial slurs against them.</p>
<p>The eyewitnesses said that minutes into the party, heavily armed Lebanese police broke in and started beating them with batons calling them names such as &#8220;animals&#8221; and &#8220;niggers&#8221;.</p>
<p>A man by the name of Alaa Al-Abdullah told Al-Nashra newspaper that despite being present legally in Lebanon he and the others were forced to lay on their stomach in the street after blocking car entry into the area. He added that police forces placed their boots on their heads and necks.</p>
<p>Another man by the name of Abbas said that when they were asked by the police how they speak Arabic so fluently, they responded by saying that they are Arabs from Sudan. According to him, the officers thought they were &#8220;making fun of them&#8221; and started another round of beating.</p>
<p>Others said that Lebanese people living in the area intervened and tried to protect the Sudanese forcing the police to call for reinforcements.</p>
<p>The Sudanese citizens were taken to the police station and those with legal residency were released afterwards.</p>
<p>But the head of the Lebanese general security director-general Wafiq Jazini denied abuse of force by the police saying that the Sudanese attempted to escape and described accounts saying otherwise as &#8220;lies&#8221;. Jazini stressed that only those who were in the country illegally have been detained.</p>
<p>The Sudanese discussion boards started a campaign calling for boycotting Lebanese businesses in the country which range from lavish restaurants to cell phone companies across Sudan. A petition is being generated demanding an investigation and an apology.</p>
<p>There are around 750 Lebanese citizens living in Sudan, according to figures from the Lebanese embassy in Khartoum.</p>
<p>Many people in Sudan accuse Lebanese of viewing them as underdogs and being racist against them because of their color.</p>
<p>Sudan official news agency (SUNA) quoted the Lebanese ambassador Ahmed Ibrahim Shamat as condemning the events that took place and beating of Sudanese citizens.</p>
<p>Shamat who was speaking at a press conference at the embassy said that an investigation is underway to determine responsibility and that those implicated will be punished.</p>
<p>The diplomat said he conveyed apologies of the Lebanese foreign minister over what happened and said that it should not have any impact on bilateral relations. He criticized calls for boycotting Lebanese products and businesses saying that they are blowing things out of proportion.</p>
<p>In response to questions about racial remarks allegedly made by Lebanese security, Shamat said that priests wear black color as a sign of respect and that the Kaaba in Mecca is covered in black silk.</p>
<p>The Sudanese foreign ministry spokesperson Muawiya Khalid told reporters that the embassy in Beirut will seek to resolve statuses of those present illegally and reinstating the rights of those who were victims to police brutality if proven.</p>
<p>Khalid called on Sudanese living abroad to adjust their statuses and ensure they have papers entitling them to live there.</p>
<p>YOU WERE SAYING?</p>
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		<title>By: l-ray</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/02/03/sudan-arab-or-african/#comment-26776</link>
		<dc:creator>l-ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 00:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@42PANO.....Dimwit cease with these straw man argument...There is documented to proof of mass births between AAs ancestors and white oppressors cause it simply didn&#039;t happen on a signinficant enough scale to affect us ethnically..I dare you to find a reputable source backing Ali having a white ancestory..It&#039;s obvious you have invested interest/an agenda in this subject and can&#039;t be taking seriously</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@42PANO&#8230;..Dimwit cease with these straw man argument&#8230;There is documented to proof of mass births between AAs ancestors and white oppressors cause it simply didn&#8217;t happen on a signinficant enough scale to affect us ethnically..I dare you to find a reputable source backing Ali having a white ancestory..It&#8217;s obvious you have invested interest/an agenda in this subject and can&#8217;t be taking seriously</p>
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		<title>By: saiid</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/02/03/sudan-arab-or-african/#comment-4635</link>
		<dc:creator>saiid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jan 2011 18:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These so-called &quot;Arab&quot; from North &amp; East  Africa (except Egypt-Algeria-Marocco-Tunisia etc...) are darn confused - Im talking about Sudan, Chad - They have an identity issue - any of those black Arabs would be called a darn n**** if they go to Arab countries - fellows, it&#039;s ok to be called a black African and have the Arab culture ingrain in you...but when you make the mistake of thinking that you are better then Africans believe me you won&#039;t be respected anywhere in the world -heck, even blond women prefer to date Mandingo Africans rather then those Africans that look arab and think they are really arabs -You are just a wanna-be-Arab just like true Arabs wanna-be whites by imposing lighter skin people and promoting whitenes on TV- Just like some of my confused Ethiopians/Eritreans/Somalians brothers - come to America and be educated -</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These so-called &#8220;Arab&#8221; from North &amp; East  Africa (except Egypt-Algeria-Marocco-Tunisia etc&#8230;) are darn confused &#8211; Im talking about Sudan, Chad &#8211; They have an identity issue &#8211; any of those black Arabs would be called a darn n**** if they go to Arab countries &#8211; fellows, it&#8217;s ok to be called a black African and have the Arab culture ingrain in you&#8230;but when you make the mistake of thinking that you are better then Africans believe me you won&#8217;t be respected anywhere in the world -heck, even blond women prefer to date Mandingo Africans rather then those Africans that look arab and think they are really arabs -You are just a wanna-be-Arab just like true Arabs wanna-be whites by imposing lighter skin people and promoting whitenes on TV- Just like some of my confused Ethiopians/Eritreans/Somalians brothers &#8211; come to America and be educated -</p>
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		<title>By: 42pnano</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/02/03/sudan-arab-or-african/#comment-4634</link>
		<dc:creator>42pnano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2011 07:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>44 l-ray said:
Oh yeah Cassiius Clay was not mixed.

Cassius Clay AKA Muhammad Ali&#039;s grandfather was a White man dumbass know nothing. And when have you ever known people saying something is &quot;illegal&quot;  to keep people from doing it anyways. History say&#039;s that over 30% of African slave women were pregnant by their White overseers while being kept in the slave dungeons waiting for ships to take them to the Americas.

And only a dumbass like you would think that a law (which there wasn&#039;t any) would keep the slave owner and his handymen from sexing the slave women on his plantation in America. BTW Africans of lighter skin got their color from White French, English, Portuguese colonialist and Arabs who sexed the African women. You would like to think that African-Americans are pure blacks but only an ignoramus would believe that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>44 l-ray said:<br />
Oh yeah Cassiius Clay was not mixed.</p>
<p>Cassius Clay AKA Muhammad Ali&#8217;s grandfather was a White man dumbass know nothing. And when have you ever known people saying something is &#8220;illegal&#8221;  to keep people from doing it anyways. History say&#8217;s that over 30% of African slave women were pregnant by their White overseers while being kept in the slave dungeons waiting for ships to take them to the Americas.</p>
<p>And only a dumbass like you would think that a law (which there wasn&#8217;t any) would keep the slave owner and his handymen from sexing the slave women on his plantation in America. BTW Africans of lighter skin got their color from White French, English, Portuguese colonialist and Arabs who sexed the African women. You would like to think that African-Americans are pure blacks but only an ignoramus would believe that.</p>
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		<title>By: Mahmoud</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/02/03/sudan-arab-or-african/#comment-4633</link>
		<dc:creator>Mahmoud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 20:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are Arabs by Culture and Language  our features are same  with the Gulf Arabs countries  go and ask a syrian or a saudi and they will tell u we are arabs.  We Are Arabs  period not africans africans are bantus  look at africans from congo or other african countries and u will see our features are not the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are Arabs by Culture and Language  our features are same  with the Gulf Arabs countries  go and ask a syrian or a saudi and they will tell u we are arabs.  We Are Arabs  period not africans africans are bantus  look at africans from congo or other african countries and u will see our features are not the same.</p>
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		<title>By: mohammed</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/02/03/sudan-arab-or-african/#comment-4632</link>
		<dc:creator>mohammed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 01:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi all,

I am not planning to contribute to your discussion. However, I would like to point out that Al-Rashaida tribe is one branch of Bani Rasheed in the Arabia.

Genetically speaking, Alrashaida in Sudan, Kuwait, Saudi are relatives

 http://www.familytreedna.com/public/AlRashaidaTribe/default.aspx?/publicwebsite.aspx=&amp;section=yresults</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all,</p>
<p>I am not planning to contribute to your discussion. However, I would like to point out that Al-Rashaida tribe is one branch of Bani Rasheed in the Arabia.</p>
<p>Genetically speaking, Alrashaida in Sudan, Kuwait, Saudi are relatives</p>
<p> <a href="http://www.familytreedna.com/public/AlRashaidaTribe/default.aspx?/publicwebsite.aspx=&#038;section=yresults" rel="nofollow">http://www.familytreedna.com/public/AlRashaidaTribe/default.aspx?/publicwebsite.aspx=&#038;section=yresults</a></p>
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		<title>By: Arabian</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/02/03/sudan-arab-or-african/#comment-4631</link>
		<dc:creator>Arabian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 14:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a) A Persian guy shouting “Arabs are filthy dogs”.
or
b) Some KKK dude shouting “Africans are filthy niggers”.

For most Sudanese I asked, the answer was (b).

I have much easier solution for confused Sudanese males. Stop getting a hair cut for a year and see the results

1) If you have straight hair and even after one year you are able to manage them over your shoulders then you are an Arab. otherwise you are an African.


This solution is a little bit offensive but its true, Arabs have no African features… they are whites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a) A Persian guy shouting “Arabs are filthy dogs”.<br />
or<br />
b) Some KKK dude shouting “Africans are filthy niggers”.</p>
<p>For most Sudanese I asked, the answer was (b).</p>
<p>I have much easier solution for confused Sudanese males. Stop getting a hair cut for a year and see the results</p>
<p>1) If you have straight hair and even after one year you are able to manage them over your shoulders then you are an Arab. otherwise you are an African.</p>
<p>This solution is a little bit offensive but its true, Arabs have no African features… they are whites.</p>
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		<title>By: l-ray</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/02/03/sudan-arab-or-african/#comment-4630</link>
		<dc:creator>l-ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 04:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yeah Cassiius Clay was not mixed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah Cassiius Clay was not mixed.</p>
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		<title>By: l-ray</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/02/03/sudan-arab-or-african/#comment-4629</link>
		<dc:creator>l-ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 04:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@pnao

The fundamental truth is that you are a dumbass with childish logic...Most African Americans are diffrent shades of brown not Colin Powel or Sinbad light but even that dosn&#039;t always equal= European mixture considering there are diffrent shades of black even in the Africans we decend from....Africa has been proven to by phonetically the most diverse continent on Earth it makes since that AAs children of Africa decent would reflect that...Most AAs are mixed ethnically of many African tribes which gives us our deverse looks not Euro mixture...I don&#039;t know how how most AAs manage to have Euro gense considering for most our time in America mixing between blacks and Europeans was illegal...most AAs are pure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@pnao</p>
<p>The fundamental truth is that you are a dumbass with childish logic&#8230;Most African Americans are diffrent shades of brown not Colin Powel or Sinbad light but even that dosn&#8217;t always equal= European mixture considering there are diffrent shades of black even in the Africans we decend from&#8230;.Africa has been proven to by phonetically the most diverse continent on Earth it makes since that AAs children of Africa decent would reflect that&#8230;Most AAs are mixed ethnically of many African tribes which gives us our deverse looks not Euro mixture&#8230;I don&#8217;t know how how most AAs manage to have Euro gense considering for most our time in America mixing between blacks and Europeans was illegal&#8230;most AAs are pure.</p>
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