Comments on: The Worlds of Jerusalem and Tel Aviv (new author) http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/02/04/the-worlds-of-jerusalem-and-tel-aviv-new-author/ Thinking Ahead Sat, 11 Feb 2012 20:46:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Patrick http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/02/04/the-worlds-of-jerusalem-and-tel-aviv-new-author/#comment-4658 Patrick Tue, 20 Feb 2007 01:54:57 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/02/04/the-worlds-of-jerusalem-and-tel-aviv-new-author/#comment-4658 This is very interesting. I seem like the Tel Aviv type. Is the division kind of like the Red state/Blue state divide in the States? Also, would you say this division reflects global Jewry. If we look at Jews in NYC, LA, and Israel there seems to always exist the schism between secular liberals and religious Jews. I like to think of the West LA/Manhattan/Tel Aviv axis against the religious Fairfax/Brooklyn/Jerusalem axis. Is this accurate? This is very interesting. I seem like the Tel Aviv type. Is the division kind of like the Red state/Blue state divide in the States? Also, would you say this division reflects global Jewry. If we look at Jews in NYC, LA, and Israel there seems to always exist the schism between secular liberals and religious Jews. I like to think of the West LA/Manhattan/Tel Aviv axis against the religious Fairfax/Brooklyn/Jerusalem axis. Is this accurate?

]]> By: lirun http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/02/04/the-worlds-of-jerusalem-and-tel-aviv-new-author/#comment-4657 lirun Sun, 11 Feb 2007 14:01:31 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/02/04/the-worlds-of-jerusalem-and-tel-aviv-new-author/#comment-4657 i live in yaffo - recently escaped telaviv (1 minute walk from where i live hehe) but love both jerusalem and telaviv with a passion.. i live in yaffo – recently escaped telaviv (1 minute walk from where i live hehe) but love both jerusalem and telaviv with a passion..

]]> By: Edo River http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/02/04/the-worlds-of-jerusalem-and-tel-aviv-new-author/#comment-4656 Edo River Tue, 06 Feb 2007 05:23:40 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/02/04/the-worlds-of-jerusalem-and-tel-aviv-new-author/#comment-4656 thanks for your time. I live in Japan, and the country is big on its bullet (Shinkansen) trains. recently Taiwan started its train: Japanese engineering of the train technology, German drivers. thanks for your time.
I live in Japan, and the country is big on its bullet (Shinkansen) trains. recently Taiwan started its train: Japanese engineering of the train technology, German drivers.

]]> By: Jonny http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/02/04/the-worlds-of-jerusalem-and-tel-aviv-new-author/#comment-4655 Jonny Mon, 05 Feb 2007 13:46:35 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/02/04/the-worlds-of-jerusalem-and-tel-aviv-new-author/#comment-4655 Lots of questions! About the train itself, I am not sure where the design and engineering experience came from. Israel has recently redeveloped its train systems from the south of the country, Ashkelon, to the north, Haifa. There is now a train line between the airport and Tel Aviv, and some other suburbs as well. Just a point: there already is a train line between Jerusalem and Tel Aviv, however it is very slow (I heard almost 2-2.5 hours!) and difficult to get to. The engineering for this train is very unique because of the ascent between Tel Aviv, which is essentially at sea level, and Jerusalem, which is in the mountains. About your cultural comment, I can not really say much about the economic reasons for the divide because I am not too well versed in it. The economics I can see in the schism is that in the Tel Aviv world, consumerism is a fact and it is growing. Go to Tel Aviv on Shabbat (Saturday) and you will see many stores and cares openly defying the Shabbat law that says all commerce must cease on Shabbat. Not to mention the fact that real estate prices have risen dramatically in Tel Aviv lately, making it one of the more expensive cities in the world. Jerusalem, though it has its high prices and consumerism as well, is more nuanced about it. Nonetheless, the schism is very much on a cultural level on the scale of religion and principles/values/ethics. It's almost a schism of what does Israel mean as a Jewish Democratic state. Third: Environment: Israel does have a CO2 problem though its not as bad as many other countries in the world. I cannot really say anything about the environmental divisions within the schism. However, realize that with consumerism comes degradation of the environment... Lots of questions!

About the train itself, I am not sure where the design and engineering experience came from. Israel has recently redeveloped its train systems from the south of the country, Ashkelon, to the north, Haifa. There is now a train line between the airport and Tel Aviv, and some other suburbs as well. Just a point: there already is a train line between Jerusalem and Tel Aviv, however it is very slow (I heard almost 2-2.5 hours!) and difficult to get to. The engineering for this train is very unique because of the ascent between Tel Aviv, which is essentially at sea level, and Jerusalem, which is in the mountains.

About your cultural comment, I can not really say much about the economic reasons for the divide because I am not too well versed in it. The economics I can see in the schism is that in the Tel Aviv world, consumerism is a fact and it is growing. Go to Tel Aviv on Shabbat (Saturday) and you will see many stores and cares openly defying the Shabbat law that says all commerce must cease on Shabbat. Not to mention the fact that real estate prices have risen dramatically in Tel Aviv lately, making it one of the more expensive cities in the world. Jerusalem, though it has its high prices and consumerism as well, is more nuanced about it.

Nonetheless, the schism is very much on a cultural level on the scale of religion and principles/values/ethics. It’s almost a schism of what does Israel mean as a Jewish Democratic state.

Third: Environment: Israel does have a CO2 problem though its not as bad as many other countries in the world. I cannot really say anything about the environmental divisions within the schism. However, realize that with consumerism comes degradation of the environment…

]]> By: Edo River http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/02/04/the-worlds-of-jerusalem-and-tel-aviv-new-author/#comment-4654 Edo River Mon, 05 Feb 2007 09:34:36 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/02/04/the-worlds-of-jerusalem-and-tel-aviv-new-author/#comment-4654 Mundane questions. Where did the design and engineering experience come from? Second. How much will the round trip cost? What is the speed? Cultural comments: this kind of divide in countries, is just another of the break up of communities caused, in my opinion by the free-market economy/philosophy. I haven't read any books on this topic, but the free market thrives on dividing large groups into smaller groups for the purpose of marketing products and services, called "segmentation". The more segments the better. The issue is really to see how much segmentation in a community can occur and the community cease to function as a community any more...People just don't have enough of the important things to bring them together, and the economic forces in the society benefit more by keeping people apart. However ironically there is in the US a market for the opposite, if there is a concentration of need to feel part of a community... Third QUESTION: How would you describe the two aspects of the culture's concern for environmental issues? COme to think of it, what are the major environmental concerns? Smog is a minor thing until people come down with lung diseases, I don't think CO2 is that severe in Israel is it? Mundane questions. Where did the design and engineering experience come from? Second. How much will the round trip cost? What is the speed?

Cultural comments: this kind of divide in countries, is just another of the break up of communities caused, in my opinion by the free-market economy/philosophy. I haven’t read any books on this topic, but the free market thrives on dividing large groups into smaller groups for the purpose of marketing products and services, called “segmentation”. The more segments the better. The issue is really to see how much segmentation in a community can occur and the community cease to function as a community any more…People just don’t have enough of the important things to bring them together, and the economic forces in the society benefit more by keeping people apart. However ironically there is in the US a market for the opposite, if there is a concentration of need to feel part of a community…

Third QUESTION: How would you describe the two aspects of the culture’s concern for environmental issues? COme to think of it, what are the major environmental concerns? Smog is a minor thing until people come down with lung diseases, I don’t think CO2 is that severe in Israel is it?

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