Eurabian homosexuals
February 21st, 2007A while ago Eatbees posed a question about homosexuality and Islam.
His question was if it was possible to be a “practicing homosexual” and a “good Muslim” at the same time. He wondered if there was a middle ground whereby Islam and homosexuality could co-exist.
My answer was/is yes on both. You can be a practicing homosexual and a good Muslim. Because both are an individual choice, whether you like it or not. Her Holiness Madonna and God can’t force you to be something you don’t want to be and can’t force you not to be something you want to be.
But I know that this is an opinion that’s being attacked by both Islamic radicals and Cher-loving radical gays.
And yes there is a middle ground, although not very big at the moment. Heterosexuals Muslims and homosexuals can coexist without attacking each other. As I mentioned at Eatbees’ blog, the keyword here is respect. Its not acceptance/endorsement that leads to coexistence. Although acceptance would definitely help.
Respect has a far bigger role to play. People can live next to each other without accepting each others lifestyle.
Let me first explain what I actually mean with acceptance. Acceptance, in this case, means that the Muslims accept the gay lifestyle and homosexuality. Thus indirectly saying that Islam doesn’t forbid homosexual acts.
Respect in this case, means that Muslims don’t accept or condone homosexuality. They still think that Islam doesn’t allow homosexual acts but they at least respect the lifestyle. Meaning that they don’t go on a hunt for homosexuals and punish them for their lifestyles.
I think most (ex)-Muslim gays, including me, don’t ask for acceptance but just normal respect.
For example, I can live next to a dog-eating satanist without accepting his way of living. I won’t condone it but I will respect it because clearly that’s how he/she wants to live his/her life.
And that’s what I want when I live in a Muslim country next to a practicing heterosexual Muslim. Or when I lived in a predominantly muslim neighborhood of Amsterdam, The Netherlands.
The problem here is that most Muslims think that respect has to come with acceptance. That when they don’t punish a homosexual that it means that they condone the practice .
And this way of thinking is one of the main reasons why gays still face persecution and uncertainty in Muslim societies.
Eatbees asked me in the comments if I think that the gains made by muslim homosexuals in Europe (where a growing number of them dare to take a stance against the Islamic homophobia) can end up having a positive effect in the Middle East and North Africa (MENA).
I thought about that question for some time. And I came to the conclusion that the gains of Muslim homosexuals in Europe won’t have any or little effect in their countries of origin.
Main reason for this is the fact that Muslim homosexuals in Europe fight another battle in another environment then their counterparts in the MENA-region.
We are already accepted and “protected” by our society and governments, we have no fear of being arrested for speaking out. We only fight against the prejudice and the violence within our families.
In the MENA-region homosexuals have to fight against both prejudice and violence coming both from their families as well as their own governments.
This difference in battle makes it difficult for European Muslim gays to help the ones in the MENA-region.
Actually, we just don’t have the experience in that field.
The gays in the MENA-region have their own battle to fight. They know their society and their government, they know how everything works.
The heavy burden is on them. Relying on gay Muslims from Europe would be disastrous.
Heterosexual (conservative) Muslims and their governments would perceive this as yet another intrusion of the “Western world”. Resulting in an even bigger denial of gay-rights.
The gay Muslims in Europe would be unable to take proper actions because of a lack of knowledge within and about the region.
We are the sons and daughters of immigrants. We may think we know the country of our parents but we only know the holiday-version.
We can provide basic help and financial, mental and logistical assistance. But we can’t solve the problems and a situation which we never experienced in its totality.
That is something the gays in MENA have to do themselves.
Crossposted from Moroccan Ramblings from London
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Is homosexuality a lifestyle choice or is it a biological/psyche condition?
I may be wrong but didn’t I read in one of the Surahs that the Prophet says that God punished a city or group of people in the past, and one of the characteristics mentioned was a love of men for men, and implying or stating this is wrong?
Being in a state of “sin” as the Christians say, doesn’t mean one is cut off from the Mercy of God. There is a choice, and a responsibility to be honest with ourselves about our faults and our strengths. If we understand this as a character weakness.
I think I understand you to say we shouldn’t condemn another soul, but I would add as result of my previous reading and understanding that, at the same time, The attitude isn’t approval. It is willing to help as much as the other responds. I mean the homosexual has a either a choice or a medical/psyche condition. If we look at it as a lifestyle choice, and they are satisfied with their state. I say we should not condemn, but they can’t expect approval. Respect for the individual soul is different from approval of the person’s choice. I can respect you but I don’t have to agree with you. I can disapprove of any of your actions, or if I think it is a character flaw, I can try to overlook your flaw but that doesn’t mean I pretend the flaw doesn’t exist.
If on the other hand we look at it as a biological/psyche condition, then another set of factors must be included.
First, the question of whether or not homosexuality and Islam are compatible is irrelevant to whether or not homosexuals should be tolerated. They should be, no matter what any religion says.
Second, I have come across a few different strands of thought within Muslim intellectual circles when it comes to homosexuality in Islam. On the one hand, there are people who deny that there is such a thing as homosexuality, claiming that it is an invention and that those who claim to be are liars. In this sense, homosexuality is an exclusive and major sin.
On the other hand, there are those who declare that it does not matter whether or not homosexuality is natural–this is irrelevant to the actual ’sin’. If it is natural, they say, then this is simply a greater test by God on the individual. If it is unnatural, then makes this decision freely for themselves. Nevertheless, for the second school of thought, homosexuality in and of itself is NOT a sin. That is how both views are able to be accommodated within this line of thought. The sin itself is not homosexual conduct, but rather the performance of sexual acts outside of marriage. Because marriage only occurs between men and women, then sexual acts between men and other men or women and other women are equal on a level to sexual acts between unmarried men and unmarried women: it is mere adultery. The importance of this interpretation is that there is nothing inherently evil or repulsive about homosexuality; rather, it is the commission of adultery which is a sin.
Personally, I don’t care. I’m not Muslim. But I find this argument intriguing and, for those who are Muslims, worth thinking about.
Sometimes I thank god that I don’t believe in him
you said yes you can is this you,r fatwa.