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		<title>By: G.</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/02/22/the-day-they-took-away-our-friend/#comment-5045</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 08:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can I ask our Arab friends here a question.

I condemn Abdel Kareem Suleimanâ€™s four year sentence and agree for a campaign for his release from Egytian jail.

In Egypt the secular liberal opposition is very weak and the Muslim Brotherhood very strong.The Islamist slogan in Algeria in 1990â€™s was â€œone man, one vote, one time.â€ ONE TIME.Which means dictatorship after the election.And the election where the Islamist won caused a civil war killing hundreds of thousands of Algerians

As Fatemah Farag wrote in AL-AHRAM :The losses have been staggering: all the leading figures of the left-leaning Tagammu Party lost their seats, including political veteran and former Free Officer Khaled Mohieddin in Kafr Shukr in Qalyoubiya, long-standing MP for Port Said El-Badri Farghali and labour representative Abul- Ezz El-Hariri, who failed to win in the Alexandria constituency of Karmouz. The Nasserites have yet to win a seat and only four members of the Wafd have been returned to parliament, leaving leading members such as Munir Fakhry Abdel-Nour out in the cold. The independent left is looking at a big fat zero.
http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2005/771/eg9.htm

Now if the alternative to Mubarak or his National Democratic Party in a truly democratic election is the Muslim Brotherhood - what is the solution for a liberal Arab like yourself if you lived in that situation?

Maybe someone could initiate a seperate blog entry on this topic?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can I ask our Arab friends here a question.</p>
<p>I condemn Abdel Kareem Suleimanâ€™s four year sentence and agree for a campaign for his release from Egytian jail.</p>
<p>In Egypt the secular liberal opposition is very weak and the Muslim Brotherhood very strong.The Islamist slogan in Algeria in 1990â€™s was â€œone man, one vote, one time.â€ ONE TIME.Which means dictatorship after the election.And the election where the Islamist won caused a civil war killing hundreds of thousands of Algerians</p>
<p>As Fatemah Farag wrote in AL-AHRAM :The losses have been staggering: all the leading figures of the left-leaning Tagammu Party lost their seats, including political veteran and former Free Officer Khaled Mohieddin in Kafr Shukr in Qalyoubiya, long-standing MP for Port Said El-Badri Farghali and labour representative Abul- Ezz El-Hariri, who failed to win in the Alexandria constituency of Karmouz. The Nasserites have yet to win a seat and only four members of the Wafd have been returned to parliament, leaving leading members such as Munir Fakhry Abdel-Nour out in the cold. The independent left is looking at a big fat zero.<br />
<a href="http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2005/771/eg9.htm" rel="nofollow">http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2005/771/eg9.htm</a></p>
<p>Now if the alternative to Mubarak or his National Democratic Party in a truly democratic election is the Muslim Brotherhood &#8211; what is the solution for a liberal Arab like yourself if you lived in that situation?</p>
<p>Maybe someone could initiate a seperate blog entry on this topic?</p>
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		<title>By: Mideast Youth - Thinking Ahead &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Free Kareem campaign updates</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/02/22/the-day-they-took-away-our-friend/#comment-5044</link>
		<dc:creator>Mideast Youth - Thinking Ahead &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Free Kareem campaign updates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 23:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I am extremely proud of our Free Kareem Coalition members for sacrificing much sleep, college/work time, and working incredibly hard throughout the entire weekend in order to strengthen the Free Kareem campaign which is by far one of the strongest campaigns for a blogger ever. I have my amazing friends and colleagues to thank for that. The day we found out about the verdict, we managed to make Kareem&#8217;s case known worldwide by writing press releases, op-eds, alerting news agencies around the world, giving interviews, and helping each other out with all of our needs (preparing for interviews, exchanging information, and being supportive, encouraging, and hopeful when one of us felt down.)  Meet the staff. Many of us risked a lot by being a part of this campaign, but we put Kareem&#8217;s interests before ours. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I am extremely proud of our Free Kareem Coalition members for sacrificing much sleep, college/work time, and working incredibly hard throughout the entire weekend in order to strengthen the Free Kareem campaign which is by far one of the strongest campaigns for a blogger ever. I have my amazing friends and colleagues to thank for that. The day we found out about the verdict, we managed to make Kareem&#8217;s case known worldwide by writing press releases, op-eds, alerting news agencies around the world, giving interviews, and helping each other out with all of our needs (preparing for interviews, exchanging information, and being supportive, encouraging, and hopeful when one of us felt down.)  Meet the staff. Many of us risked a lot by being a part of this campaign, but we put Kareem&#8217;s interests before ours. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Drima @ The SudaneseThinker</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/02/22/the-day-they-took-away-our-friend/#comment-5043</link>
		<dc:creator>Drima @ The SudaneseThinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Esra&#039;a, I second Egypeter. I swear, you never seize to amaze me. I really mean it and I&#039;m not trying to kiss your Bahraini ass. How you never seem to lose hope is just beyond me. Even though I&#039;m busy like crazy nowadays, I&#039;m always lurking around, so if you need anything, just email me or SMS me.

Salam ya 3ajeeba!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Esra&#8217;a, I second Egypeter. I swear, you never seize to amaze me. I really mean it and I&#8217;m not trying to kiss your Bahraini ass. How you never seem to lose hope is just beyond me. Even though I&#8217;m busy like crazy nowadays, I&#8217;m always lurking around, so if you need anything, just email me or SMS me.</p>
<p>Salam ya 3ajeeba!</p>
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		<title>By: Esra'a</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/02/22/the-day-they-took-away-our-friend/#comment-5042</link>
		<dc:creator>Esra'a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you. But that traditional view is corrupt, and those in the past who knew it was corrupt weren&#039;t able to express that freely. Now, we have the technology to let the world know that it&#039;s corrupt, and with this campaign we are doing just that.

The Free Kareem campaign is now one of the largest campaigns made to free a blogger in history, and we are proud of this achievement and will only make sure that the case remains news-worthy for as long as he will be in prison. The Free Kareem coalition is blessed with a talented and determined team who are willing to do a lot to achieve the most that we are all capable of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you. But that traditional view is corrupt, and those in the past who knew it was corrupt weren&#8217;t able to express that freely. Now, we have the technology to let the world know that it&#8217;s corrupt, and with this campaign we are doing just that.</p>
<p>The Free Kareem campaign is now one of the largest campaigns made to free a blogger in history, and we are proud of this achievement and will only make sure that the case remains news-worthy for as long as he will be in prison. The Free Kareem coalition is blessed with a talented and determined team who are willing to do a lot to achieve the most that we are all capable of.</p>
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		<title>By: EdoRiver</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/02/22/the-day-they-took-away-our-friend/#comment-5041</link>
		<dc:creator>EdoRiver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2007 03:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am in the process of reading your link. Interesting.  I think, there is a difference , obbiously between the viewpoint of someone from outside the culture being represented, regardless of whether they are members of that culture or not, and someone within the culture being discussed who has lived there long enough to absorb the tensions between modern and traditional view points.

Kareen obviously represents a modern point of view. And the people who felt offended represent a traditonal point of view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am in the process of reading your link. Interesting.  I think, there is a difference , obbiously between the viewpoint of someone from outside the culture being represented, regardless of whether they are members of that culture or not, and someone within the culture being discussed who has lived there long enough to absorb the tensions between modern and traditional view points.</p>
<p>Kareen obviously represents a modern point of view. And the people who felt offended represent a traditonal point of view.</p>
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		<title>By: Esra'a</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/02/22/the-day-they-took-away-our-friend/#comment-5040</link>
		<dc:creator>Esra'a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 12:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I urge everyone to read this &lt;a href=&quot;http://bannos.blogspot.com/2007/02/crime-of-obeying-god.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;excellent post.&lt;/a&gt; FINALLY, the right support from Muslims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I urge everyone to read this <a href="http://bannos.blogspot.com/2007/02/crime-of-obeying-god.html" rel="nofollow">excellent post.</a> FINALLY, the right support from Muslims.</p>
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		<title>By: Esra'a</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/02/22/the-day-they-took-away-our-friend/#comment-5039</link>
		<dc:creator>Esra'a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 11:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you justifying his imprisonment?

Even if you think it&#039;s not surprising that he got 3 years for his stance against Islam, HE GOT ONE YEAR FOR INSULTING THE PRESIDENT! Yes! I find that surprising and downright cruel! Whether or not I or anyone else find it surprising is actually none of anyone&#039;s business, the fact is that it happened and will continue to happen for as long as people find it &quot;not so surprising&quot; and &quot;predictable.&quot;

It&#039;s so easy to dismiss this case at the comfort of your home, claiming that there&#039;s nothing to be done about it (and not by the likes of us anyways,) but my friend is in prison right now for having and expressing his opinion. He is suffering in prison right now because he felt the urge to continue expressing such opinions despite the threats, risks, and dire consequences that came with it. He did it for the sake of progress in the region, and in the name of freedom of speech. I will not allow anyone to justify this and claim that we&#039;re fighting a lost cause. Kareem deserves to be fought for, and he &lt;i&gt;will be&lt;/i&gt; fought for. I will not tolerate statements made against him at this point, claiming that &quot;he asked for it.&quot; No matter what his approach was, at the end of the day it was his opinions that put him in that jail cell - NOT his &quot;crimes,&quot; since he never committed any.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you justifying his imprisonment?</p>
<p>Even if you think it&#8217;s not surprising that he got 3 years for his stance against Islam, HE GOT ONE YEAR FOR INSULTING THE PRESIDENT! Yes! I find that surprising and downright cruel! Whether or not I or anyone else find it surprising is actually none of anyone&#8217;s business, the fact is that it happened and will continue to happen for as long as people find it &#8220;not so surprising&#8221; and &#8220;predictable.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s so easy to dismiss this case at the comfort of your home, claiming that there&#8217;s nothing to be done about it (and not by the likes of us anyways,) but my friend is in prison right now for having and expressing his opinion. He is suffering in prison right now because he felt the urge to continue expressing such opinions despite the threats, risks, and dire consequences that came with it. He did it for the sake of progress in the region, and in the name of freedom of speech. I will not allow anyone to justify this and claim that we&#8217;re fighting a lost cause. Kareem deserves to be fought for, and he <i>will be</i> fought for. I will not tolerate statements made against him at this point, claiming that &#8220;he asked for it.&#8221; No matter what his approach was, at the end of the day it was his opinions that put him in that jail cell &#8211; NOT his &#8220;crimes,&#8221; since he never committed any.</p>
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		<title>By: EdoRiver</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/02/22/the-day-they-took-away-our-friend/#comment-5038</link>
		<dc:creator>EdoRiver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 06:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t resist coming back (for more scolding?) ;-)
I am far far away Esra&#039;a, I don&#039;t think you quite read the big picture of what I was painting. I applaud and encourage your efforts. THere is noting, unless you take it out of context, and even then, I said &quot;I could be mistaken&quot;. What more could I do/say? Give money? ;-)

Really, &lt;strong&gt;can you&lt;/strong&gt; be surprised they came down on him? You read more of his postings and comments to commenters than I did. &lt;strong&gt;WERE YOU &lt;/strong&gt;surprised they paid attention to his barbs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t resist coming back (for more scolding?) <img src='http://www.mideastyouth.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I am far far away Esra&#8217;a, I don&#8217;t think you quite read the big picture of what I was painting. I applaud and encourage your efforts. THere is noting, unless you take it out of context, and even then, I said &#8220;I could be mistaken&#8221;. What more could I do/say? Give money? <img src='http://www.mideastyouth.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Really, <strong>can you</strong> be surprised they came down on him? You read more of his postings and comments to commenters than I did. <strong>WERE YOU </strong>surprised they paid attention to his barbs?</p>
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		<title>By: Heimo</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/02/22/the-day-they-took-away-our-friend/#comment-5037</link>
		<dc:creator>Heimo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 04:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To hear this sentence makes me real sad â€“  just 4 years is better than 7 or more years, but even one year is deadly, mindkilling  long enough â€“ I began at once to think about the prison conditions in Egypt â€“ is it possible for Kareem to stay in contact via letters etc. to friends? â€“ Is it possible for him to maybe study on (which here in germany is possible in jail) or is it just punishment with ugly conditions to break oneâ€™s will? â€“ does he has to work there (under cheap conditions) &amp; will he be still able to write down his thoughts (of course censored, whether theyâ€™re be insulting to state &amp; religion) â€“ I feal really concerned &amp; how could we from the outside position help him there to survive spiritually?

â€œ3 years for his stance against Islam and 1 year for â€˜defaming the Presidentâ€™â€ .this  disproportion of religion power versus state power in a relation of  75 % to 25 % is deeply concerning &amp; terrifying &amp; shows that no common sense or rationality were used in Kareemâ€™s trial. â€“ the dark ages here in Europe were ruled by barbaric un-christian church rules &amp; weâ€™re glad here that these dark times of cruel dark religion ruling over humanity &amp; common sense are over since long times â€“ hmm but apparently not yet in â€˜back againâ€™ to dark mediavial Egypt &amp; similar countries â€“
Recently I read in Israellicoolâ€™s page about a 18 year old young man who made a (typical unaware youth) remark â€“ who got sentenced for years in prison &amp; later on to death penality â€“ see here: http://www.israellycool.com/blog/_archives/2007/2/3/2706219.html

.. â€“ I hope we can do something in support of his miserable situation now &amp; thank you Esraâ€™a so much  for your fight for Kareemâ€™s freedom â€“ the next step is to support him..

&amp; by the way â€˜Grant Thomasâ€™ what you tell has as much to do with christian true belief, like catholic inquisition &amp; crusaderdom, like Jihadist &amp; all those other religion misusing zealots  who cover their intentions for mischief with a hypocrytical coat of self-righteousness &amp; aggression against disbelievers â€“ thereâ€™s nothing in the origin words of christianity which could justify that â€“ &amp; didnâ€™t say Jesus in his mountain sermon â€œBlessed are the meek, for they will inherit the landâ€ - .- you see Grant Thomas, your words have nothing to do with christianity..(well maybe try to be meek, to get in closer contact with your imagined religion..)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To hear this sentence makes me real sad â€“  just 4 years is better than 7 or more years, but even one year is deadly, mindkilling  long enough â€“ I began at once to think about the prison conditions in Egypt â€“ is it possible for Kareem to stay in contact via letters etc. to friends? â€“ Is it possible for him to maybe study on (which here in germany is possible in jail) or is it just punishment with ugly conditions to break oneâ€™s will? â€“ does he has to work there (under cheap conditions) &amp; will he be still able to write down his thoughts (of course censored, whether theyâ€™re be insulting to state &amp; religion) â€“ I feal really concerned &amp; how could we from the outside position help him there to survive spiritually?</p>
<p>â€œ3 years for his stance against Islam and 1 year for â€˜defaming the Presidentâ€™â€ .this  disproportion of religion power versus state power in a relation of  75 % to 25 % is deeply concerning &amp; terrifying &amp; shows that no common sense or rationality were used in Kareemâ€™s trial. â€“ the dark ages here in Europe were ruled by barbaric un-christian church rules &amp; weâ€™re glad here that these dark times of cruel dark religion ruling over humanity &amp; common sense are over since long times â€“ hmm but apparently not yet in â€˜back againâ€™ to dark mediavial Egypt &amp; similar countries â€“<br />
Recently I read in Israellicoolâ€™s page about a 18 year old young man who made a (typical unaware youth) remark â€“ who got sentenced for years in prison &amp; later on to death penality â€“ see here: <a href="http://www.israellycool.com/blog/_archives/2007/2/3/2706219.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.israellycool.com/blog/_archives/2007/2/3/2706219.html</a></p>
<p>.. â€“ I hope we can do something in support of his miserable situation now &amp; thank you Esraâ€™a so much  for your fight for Kareemâ€™s freedom â€“ the next step is to support him..</p>
<p>&amp; by the way â€˜Grant Thomasâ€™ what you tell has as much to do with christian true belief, like catholic inquisition &amp; crusaderdom, like Jihadist &amp; all those other religion misusing zealots  who cover their intentions for mischief with a hypocrytical coat of self-righteousness &amp; aggression against disbelievers â€“ thereâ€™s nothing in the origin words of christianity which could justify that â€“ &amp; didnâ€™t say Jesus in his mountain sermon â€œBlessed are the meek, for they will inherit the landâ€ &#8211; .- you see Grant Thomas, your words have nothing to do with christianity..(well maybe try to be meek, to get in closer contact with your imagined religion..)</p>
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		<title>By: Jina</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/02/22/the-day-they-took-away-our-friend/#comment-5036</link>
		<dc:creator>Jina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even a tiny little matchstick can start a fire, a fire that can burn down a forest. Your little protest was this matchstick :)

Keep it up</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even a tiny little matchstick can start a fire, a fire that can burn down a forest. Your little protest was this matchstick <img src='http://www.mideastyouth.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Keep it up</p>
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