Jina probably remembers…we have not attacked the Canadians yet…but JUST YOU WAIT.

hahahahhaa… loosers, we burnt down your bloody White House the last time you tried to invade us.

I have also that this before…that I adore you, admire what you are doing and deeply respect you…

Now please, once again, remind me…which shift do you work at Hooter’s?…I was planning on dropping by as usual to say hello.

I see it as a response to non-stop terror and years of attacks, threats of attacks and rejectionism.

Something the Palestinians have actually experienced more - why are you in denial of this simple fact? It doesn’t take a genius to figure this out, you know. The curfews, the checkpoints, the constant aggression. So none of it is Israel’s fault, huh? Must be those dumb Arabs.

Here….happy now?

Jerusalem
Syndrome
Tourism ministers never refer to it, and tour operators and hotel managers are careful not to hint at it. Yet in 1999 alone over 50 people were diagnosed with the disease known as Jerusalem Syndrome.
It was first identified in the 1930s by Dr. Heinz Herman, one of the founders of modern psychiatric research in Israel, and later researched by Dr. Yair (Carlos) Bar-El, former district head of psychiatry for the Health Ministry.
The disease is characterized by sudden and intense religious delusions, which are triggered by visiting Jerusalem.
According to Bar-El’s research, the encounter with the Holy City, particularly for those with deep religious convictions, convinces syndrome victims that they must do something in connection with specific major events such as Armageddon, the resurrection of Christ and the coming of the Messiah.
The syndrome begins with an extremely intense excitement, followed by a strong sense of mission. Some of the afflicted adopt biblical clothing and instruments - usually a harp or a lyre, merging their personality with a biblical character, such as King David or Jesus.
Bar-El’s studies revealed that most people who suffer from the syndrome have no prior history of psychiatric illness and won’t have any once the “crisis” passes.
Afflicted tourists have been found wandering the streets of the city, wrapped in their hotel sheets, or lying by the Church of the Holy Sepulchre , some convinced that they are going to give birth (again) to Jesus and thus save the world.
- Peggy Cidor

“If you remember a single incident in which you went against your ‘pride’, because hell, I certainly don’t”

Now you blaming the Jews for Alzhiemer’s Disease, eh?

Jina probably remembers…we have not attacked the Canadians yet…but JUST YOU WAIT.

You see…I have inmumberable problems with issues in the USA and Israel. What you focus on are my minimal criticism of Israel’s policies vis-a-vie the Palestinians/Arabs and that is because I primarily agree with most of those policies…this is where you and I and most Arabs, like Yaman, are MILES apart.

You see it as some random oppression…like it is a national sport or something…I see it as a response to non-stop terror and years of attacks, threats of attacks and rejectionism.

Just like “the” Wall. If it was a land grab…why was in not built across the Sinai desert, the Golan and Southern Lebanon. Why was it built during the middle of the SECOND intifada? Suddenly we woke up in 2002 and said…good day for a land grab. This thinking is just wrong…but this is what you focus on…note that you made no comment about the positive things I just said in the second post.

You too, “filter out” what does not support your worldview and then slant and focus on some of my criticisms and then have temper tantrums (which you have not done in awhile…what happened to your great English curses anyhow ?

Wrong again…check the archieves

I don’t recall, so I don’t have anything in mind to search for. If you remember a single incident in which you went against your ‘pride’, because hell, I certainly don’t, then give us a link and prove it.

I have to make one other comment on this note…

Though we see things differently on many issues…think about something…on MOST issues we want the SAME thing;

What do I want for the Muslim world? Death, destruction, chaos? Nope…I want to see:

Increased freedom of expression
Increased freedom of choice
Freedom of press
Right to vote
End of torture
End of oppression of minorities and women
Peaceful relationships with the West
Increased trade and tourism going back and forth between all of us
A happier and better informed population
End of general, harsh oppression of political activists
End of violence and rage
Increased secularization of schools and government

If only for purely selfish, non-humanitarian reasons…this is what I wish upon the Muslim world…because it would only make the world a better and safer and far more interesting place.

But I am very cynical…not about most people but about the systems they are trapped in that, typically, fight progress in these areas tooth and nail.

, “I’ve never in my life seen you admit anything that the U.S or Israel has done wrong,”

Wrong again…check the archieves

I would say around Jan. or Feb…in fact even this past week I have written LISTS of issues in the USA and Israel…

It is easy to mis-read people here, but really don’t be silly. I am not an ultra-patriot by any means…

Check the archives dearest chamodah…you are very very wrong on that one.

Actually…we have discussed this stuff in the past and you threw one of your temper tantrums…check the archieves…but OK…let’s go round and round about history

Yeah, because you do your “I’m right and y’all are wrong and we in Israel and the US are the best woo!” and that attitude pisses me off. If you really, truly, want to apply what you said, kiss your pride and extreme nationalism goodbye.

G., thanks!

(Passover starts Mon evening)

and to our Christian friends here - a happy Easter for next weekend and to our Muslim friends - have a great week!

“No but the U.S. has for the past 60 years been supporting dictators and leaders that go in line with their interests.”

That is brilliant!!! Then the USA should support dictators and leaders that DON’t go in line with their interests.

I get sick of this “hipocracy” line… What countries…what businesses, what any major organization doesn’t do this? Come on…the Arabs KISSED the Soviets asses for years and the Soviets were OCCUPYING and REPRESSING…WAY more Muslims and the USA or Israel or whatever; Cheneya, Uzbekistan, Afganistan, Turkmeistan, and on and on…really…enough of that line of argument…Good Lawd

Actually…we have discussed this stuff in the past and you threw one of your temper tantrums…check the archieves…but OK…let’s go round and round about history.

Turns out the tyrants not funded by the west are the worst.

Not necessarily. Go ask a Chilean what he thought of Augusto Pinochet or a Filipino on Ferdinand Marcos or even a Greek about George Papadoupolos and you will be surprised.

the USA does not fund Iran, Libya, Sudan, Syria and some other real rotten guys…but I think this is off the point…

No but the U.S. has for the past 60 years been supporting dictators and leaders that go in line with their interests. The U.S. government has absolutely no problem overthrowing democratically-elected leaders to replace them with iron-fisted dictators that hook the U.S. up with vital necessities while screwing the welfare of their people over.

Indonesia with Suharto, Pakistan with General Yahya Khan and Zia ul-Haq, Saudi Arabia with the House of Saud, Greece with George Papadoupolos, Manuel Noriega of Panama, Augusto Pinochet of Chile (where he was brought to power by overthrowing a democratically-elected President), Mohammed Reza Shah Pahlavi of Iran (also brought to power via overthrow of its democratic institutions), and Somoza of Nicaragua, to name a few.

You want to do something about the rising tide of political Islam? The West should force their allies in the Middle East to combat corruption, clean up office, and offer at least SOME freedoms to their people so the appeal of political Islam is less appealing.

I don’t agree with you on this one…the USA does not fund Iran, Libya, Sudan, Syria and some other real rotten guys…but I think this is off the point…

You know…what if you had a session on people’s ideas of what could help instead of this ping-pong match of “who done it” since it does not accomplish much. AB kind of leads to that point…

I would also make a rule that it has to be realistic constructive ideas and name-calling and history arugments will just be edited out.

Just for the hell of it.

Turns out the tyrants not funded by the west are the worst.

Says who?!

The tyrants funded by the West are the ones who treat their citizens the worst. Take Egypt as the perfect example.

You think they are not the worst because you measure what’s personally threatning to you - but to the rest of the people living under these tyrants, they are a nightmare. You are hardly the victims of US-funded dictatorships.

Maybe these people’s chance might improve a bit if the Westerners stop funding the tyrants.

Turns out the tyrants not funded by the west are the worst.

Mubarak is not a good man, but he is a lot better than some of the others. If the west stopped funding him he would simply be replaced by somebody much worse. So I don’t see how you can blame the west.

The Saudi dictatorship is self-funded (or rather theft-funded, as the oil their power is based on is only valuable because of western inventions). Do you think the west _wants_ to give the Saudis money for oil?

Syria and Iran are not funded by the west at all. And despite claims of many people neither was Saddam (his supporters were China and Russia, and to a lesser extent France, not the UK and US).

I still find it bizarre that people treat the Jewish refugee issue as if it delegitimizes the Palestinian refugee problem.

I have never seen the issue treated as such. In fact I have rarely seen the issue even mentioned.

There’s a very obvious reason why the Israeli state doesn’t take up this issue and demand that Jews have the right to return to their homes: because it doesn’t want them to leave!

Of course not. Who would actually want their brethren to live as a minority among Arabs? Israel has seen what happened to Jews before they fled to Israel. Israel has seen what happened to the Kurds. But why is that a reason for Israel not to take up this issue? It isn’t.

The reason Israel doesn’t talk about it is simply because there is no point in talking about it. The Arab side likes talking about refugees, the Jewish side does not. Jews have enough trouble with Europe for remembering the Shoah.

Of course, those Arab Jews who were forcibly expelled and dispossessed (like from Iraq and a handful of other countries) should be compensated or allowed to return to their original countries.

Note that these Jews did not threaten the country they lived in, did not try to participate in an attack on their countrymen. The Palestinian Arabs were not simply expelled because they were Arabs, although I am sure there were racist Zionists who supported such an idea.

What exactly should Israel have done? Allow the Israeli Arabs to kill the Jews while the other Arab states attacked?

And as for the situation of the Arab Palestinians today, what exactly should Israel have done? What would have been this more humane alternative? Blame Israel for what they did to Arabs all you want; but unless you have an idea of what Israel should have done instead, you are not solving a problem.

Israel has no interest in oppressing Arabs. It costs money and lives and there are no advantages whatsoever. The ONLY reason Israel does it is because the alternative is death.

Create another alternative and Israel will gladly save the money and effort.

The idea that Israel enjoys wasting money and time on doing something that generates no profit is preposterous. And the conflict cannot be solved by attacking the problem at an angle that simply doesn’t exist.

If you want Israel to change, give Israel a third option. Don’t assume that Israel oppresses people for no very good reason.

As long as the Arab Palestinians consistently vote for parties that want to kill Jews, I really don’t see how they are the victims. They are potential perpetrators. And Israel merely stops them from becoming such. Or how should I interpret their sick wish to see Hamas throw rockets into Jewish kindergardens?

By-the-way…too bad you have to deteriorate into name-calling when you feel frustrated…I think it is immature and uncalled for…

But it IS OK to name-called Canadians…because the are useless, seal-murdering, English-language slaughtering, beer-swilling hockey puck kissing, brain frozen zits on the face of the earth.