Comments on: The Gay, the Gay & the Transsexual: 3 New Words Learnt, New Perspective Gained http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/04/09/the-gay-the-gay-the-transsexual-3-new-words-learnt-new-perspective-gained/ Promoting a fierce but respectful dialogue among the highly diverse youth of the Middle East Thu, 18 Mar 2010 19:54:08 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Cherinehttp://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/04/09/the-gay-the-gay-the-transsexual-3-new-words-learnt-new-perspective-gained/#comment-293571 Cherine Sun, 14 Feb 2010 04:06:09 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/04/09/the-gay-the-gay-the-transsexual-3-new-words-learnt-new-perspective-gained/#comment-293571 No human has the right to judge anyone for whether they are gay or transgender. True, these might be concepts new to some people, but gays and transgender people have existed since the beginning of time, and it is MAN made laws that say "homosexuality is a sin" or "transgenderism is a sin" or anything like that. MAN made laws also prohibited blacks and whites from marrying in the United States. Slave owners back in the 1700's here in the US used the "Hamitic curse" from the Bible to justify enslaving black people, saying that they are descendents of Ham, and that Ham was somehow evil. The world is changing, and old ideas such as homosexuality and transgenderism being sinful will die soon...and I won't mourn that!!!! No human has the right to judge anyone for whether they are gay or transgender. True, these might be concepts new to some people, but gays and transgender people have existed since the beginning of time, and it is MAN made laws that say “homosexuality is a sin” or “transgenderism is a sin” or anything like that. MAN made laws also prohibited blacks and whites from marrying in the United States. Slave owners back in the 1700’s here in the US used the “Hamitic curse” from the Bible to justify enslaving black people, saying that they are descendents of Ham, and that Ham was somehow evil. The world is changing, and old ideas such as homosexuality and transgenderism being sinful will die soon…and I won’t mourn that!!!!

]]> By: Anandahttp://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/04/09/the-gay-the-gay-the-transsexual-3-new-words-learnt-new-perspective-gained/#comment-290167 Ananda Fri, 25 Dec 2009 12:04:59 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/04/09/the-gay-the-gay-the-transsexual-3-new-words-learnt-new-perspective-gained/#comment-290167 Re. Drima’s question ‘Which public toilets do transsexuals use? I’ve always wondered. Women’s or men’s?’Was the person you were talking to a transsexual (i.e. someone who belongs to one gender but believes they are to opposite sex ‘a woman trapped in a mans body) or transgender (i.e. someone who identifies with their biological sex but who takes on the appearance of the opposite gender, through clothing, hormones etc or who sees themselves as a member of a third sex).Just to clarify, I see myself as third sex, I have a male body but identify strongly with women, almost all my friends are women, I prefer wearing female clothing and I work in a largely female environment (a library). According to the definition above I am transgender not transsexual.In Western Australia, where I live transsexuals (at least if they are undergoing medical treatment for their condition) are permitted to use female toilets. For transgender people the situation is more complex. If I go into a female toilet I risk being arrested (because I’m biologically male) but if I use male toilets while dressed as a woman I risk being beaten up, or worse. As a rule I play it by ear, whenever possible I use a disabled toilet. If not I go with a friend who will look out for me and help deal with any nasty stuff.Hope this answers your question. Re. Drima’s question ‘Which public toilets do transsexuals use? I’ve always wondered. Women’s or men’s?’

Was the person you were talking to a transsexual (i.e. someone who belongs to one gender but believes they are to opposite sex ‘a woman trapped in a mans body) or transgender (i.e. someone who identifies with their biological sex but who takes on the appearance of the opposite gender, through clothing, hormones etc or who sees themselves as a member of a third sex).

Just to clarify, I see myself as third sex, I have a male body but identify strongly with women, almost all my friends are women, I prefer wearing female clothing and I work in a largely female environment (a library). According to the definition above I am transgender not transsexual.

In Western Australia, where I live transsexuals (at least if they are undergoing medical treatment for their condition) are permitted to use female toilets. For transgender people the situation is more complex. If I go into a female toilet I risk being arrested (because I’m biologically male) but if I use male toilets while dressed as a woman I risk being beaten up, or worse. As a rule I play it by ear, whenever possible I use a disabled toilet. If not I go with a friend who will look out for me and help deal with any nasty stuff.

Hope this answers your question.

]]> By: Zackshearthttp://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/04/09/the-gay-the-gay-the-transsexual-3-new-words-learnt-new-perspective-gained/#comment-159587 Zacksheart Sat, 14 Jun 2008 01:52:08 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/04/09/the-gay-the-gay-the-transsexual-3-new-words-learnt-new-perspective-gained/#comment-159587 Wow, after reading this and finding out about how animals can be gay too, though i have to do alot of research on that particular subject, it makes me think that being gay just has something to do with the mind, and theyre right sperm+egg =baby- but you need a females womb for delivering the worlds most precious gift, a human baby. but science can create artificial life too. But i do think you have a point there, i dont think you just turn gay, either your born gay or you realize you are at a young age, thats an extremly pathetic excuse turning "gay" because youve been rejected by the woman of your dreams, eventually you will get over it and i think your homo phobia was just there because they-men just like you just so happened to like the same sex and your upset because they just so happened to give you compliments telling you and your friends how hot you are, so what? Your making it sound as if it was a crime to compliment you unless they were trying to get with u then id understand why you wouldnt be so approbative about it. I also find it odd how in your thoughts you couldnt seem to make up your mind about whether you approved people being who they were. At first you made it perfectly clear that people have a right to choose but then you went on how much you disliked them and then you found out that you DID like them only after your friend made you speak to them and now your telling us that you accept them? Well okay, and the religion thing? Well theres a few major religion dozens of fanatic religions and hundreds of minor religions and they all appose gays? I guess they would since religions are run by straight men, maybe thats why some gay are atheist by the way im prorainbow here and theyr so called wannabe femmanine voice though i must admit find it odd coming out of a man i also admit that i dont really care, why should i? If thats how they want to talk, theyre not a diffrent species of human. I dont care about unimportant sxxt like that. you can be gay i dont care, plus gays are fun!! Wow, after reading this and finding out about how animals can be gay too, though i have to do alot of research on that particular subject, it makes me think that being gay just has something to do with the mind, and theyre right sperm+egg =baby- but you need a females womb for delivering the worlds most precious gift, a human baby. but science can create artificial life too. But i do think you have a point there, i dont think you just turn gay, either your born gay or you realize you are at a young age, thats an extremly pathetic excuse turning “gay” because youve been rejected by the woman of your dreams, eventually you will get over it and i think your homo phobia was just there because they-men just like you just so happened to like the same sex and your upset because they just so happened to give you compliments telling you and your friends how hot you are, so what? Your making it sound as if it was a crime to compliment you unless they were trying to get with u then id understand why you wouldnt be so approbative about it. I also find it odd how in your thoughts you couldnt seem to make up your mind about whether you approved people being who they were. At first you made it perfectly clear that people have a right to choose but then you went on how much you disliked them and then you found out that you DID like them only after your friend made you speak to them and now your telling us that you accept them? Well okay, and the religion thing? Well theres a few major religion dozens of fanatic religions and hundreds of minor religions and they all appose gays? I guess they would since religions are run by straight men, maybe thats why some gay are atheist by the way im prorainbow here and theyr so called wannabe femmanine voice though i must admit find it odd coming out of a man i also admit that i dont really care, why should i? If thats how they want to talk, theyre not a diffrent species of human. I dont care about unimportant sxxt like that. you can be gay i dont care, plus gays are fun!!

]]> By: sorry what?http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/04/09/the-gay-the-gay-the-transsexual-3-new-words-learnt-new-perspective-gained/#comment-79366 sorry what? Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:18:03 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/04/09/the-gay-the-gay-the-transsexual-3-new-words-learnt-new-perspective-gained/#comment-79366 im afraid we're not living in a world we used to darlin.. life's not anymore about 'procreation'. im not sure if you've ever heard of the word 'overpopulation'? people in other cultures die because humanity cannot deal with this problem and now you still think about reproduction. nowadays life gives us the chance of having fun and enjoy our lives as much as possible though unfortunately there'll always be someone trying to trip you up.. im a gay arab and im actually proud of it otherwise i'd be a completely different person who may not even be as tolerant as most people around and i do hope you guys there outside will perceive one day how beautiful it is having all these various individuals living on planet earth.. im afraid we’re not living in a world we used to darlin.. life’s not anymore about ‘procreation’. im not sure if you’ve ever heard of the word ‘overpopulation’? people in other cultures die because humanity cannot deal with this problem and now you still think about reproduction. nowadays life gives us the chance of having fun and enjoy our lives as much as possible though unfortunately there’ll always be someone trying to trip you up..
im a gay arab and im actually proud of it otherwise i’d be a completely different person who may not even be as tolerant as most people around and i do hope you guys there outside will perceive one day how beautiful it is having all these various individuals living on planet earth..

]]> By: buckyhttp://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/04/09/the-gay-the-gay-the-transsexual-3-new-words-learnt-new-perspective-gained/#comment-49406 bucky Tue, 19 Jun 2007 04:40:01 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/04/09/the-gay-the-gay-the-transsexual-3-new-words-learnt-new-perspective-gained/#comment-49406 um gud question..which toilets do transexual used? i'm also wondrin about that... um gud question..which toilets do transexual used? i’m also wondrin about that…

]]> By: The Sudanese Thinker » Reactions To The Gay Posthttp://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/04/09/the-gay-the-gay-the-transsexual-3-new-words-learnt-new-perspective-gained/#comment-37701 The Sudanese Thinker » Reactions To The Gay Post Sat, 21 Apr 2007 12:25:24 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/04/09/the-gay-the-gay-the-transsexual-3-new-words-learnt-new-perspective-gained/#comment-37701 [...] one by Jina at Mideast Youth was also interesting to read: Normal is when majority agree on one thing. Being black in white [...] [...] one by Jina at Mideast Youth was also interesting to read: Normal is when majority agree on one thing. Being black in white [...]

]]> By: Nadia (Tunisia)http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/04/09/the-gay-the-gay-the-transsexual-3-new-words-learnt-new-perspective-gained/#comment-35312 Nadia (Tunisia) Mon, 09 Apr 2007 19:23:42 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/04/09/the-gay-the-gay-the-transsexual-3-new-words-learnt-new-perspective-gained/#comment-35312 Homosexuality is not something chosen, and it concerns about 10% of a population. It has always existed, you don't have to "allow" or consider "normalizing" it it because it's not a behavior someone decides to have or not, and it won't prevent the other 90% from having children and protect the human race :) and as jina said : sperm + egg = babies, so don't worry about that, they find solution anyway. it's an argument used by those who cannot accept the idea of difference as something "natural".I think your reaction towards gay people who are flirting with you is just the same reaction you can also have with a girl that you don't find attractive at all, and that you don't want to get close to. It can happen Homosexuality is not something chosen, and it concerns about 10% of a population. It has always existed, you don’t have to “allow” or consider “normalizing” it it because it’s not a behavior someone decides to have or not, and it won’t prevent the other 90% from having children and protect the human race :)
and as jina said : sperm + egg = babies, so don’t worry about that, they find solution anyway. it’s an argument used by those who cannot accept the idea of difference as something “natural”.

I think your reaction towards gay people who are flirting with you is just the same reaction you can also have with a girl that you don’t find attractive at all, and that you don’t want to get close to. It can happen

]]> By: Jina (Web Surgeon)http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/04/09/the-gay-the-gay-the-transsexual-3-new-words-learnt-new-perspective-gained/#comment-35303 Jina (Web Surgeon) Mon, 09 Apr 2007 18:38:37 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/04/09/the-gay-the-gay-the-transsexual-3-new-words-learnt-new-perspective-gained/#comment-35303 <blockquote>That’s how it’s intended to be. The norm is attraction between male and female.</blockquote>Norm is attraction alone. Not attraction between male and female.<blockquote>I don’t regard homosexuality as something normal and I don’t think it should be “normalized”.</blockquote>Normal is when majority agree on one thing. Being black in white man's land was abnormal, being white in black man's land was abnormal. Cowboys dueling with each other was normal at one time, it's not now. Blacks taking the back of the bus in the States were normal at one time, it's not today. A noble killing a commoner was treated as nothing but a commoner killing a nobel was a crime. At one time Christian killing any Muslim they saw was norm, shall we go back to that time?<strong>Why do you think all these norms were abolished and abnormalities became norm?</strong><blockquote>Vagina + Penis = Baby. </blockquote>Actually, sperm + egg = babies.<blockquote>Also there are lots of gay men that are very masculine and not obvious about it at all</blockquote>Exaclty, one of my friend, knew him for 2 years before I found out that he was gay. He was as manly as the straight guys I knew. If he didn't tell me he was gay, I would never have guessed. The whole thing about gays being feminine and lesbians being masculine is your typical stereotype if you ask me.People are not going to become gay... they are born gay, they don't one day wake up and decide you gona be gay just for the sake of it.If someone decides to start fucking a guy after he got dumped many times by women, he is not gay. Homosexuality doesn't work that way.PS: I don't mind we not having kids... damn that would nice... save the planet :P

That’s how it’s intended to be. The norm is attraction between male and female.

Norm is attraction alone. Not attraction between male and female.

I don’t regard homosexuality as something normal and I don’t think it should be “normalized”.

Normal is when majority agree on one thing. Being black in white man’s land was abnormal, being white in black man’s land was abnormal. Cowboys dueling with each other was normal at one time, it’s not now. Blacks taking the back of the bus in the States were normal at one time, it’s not today. A noble killing a commoner was treated as nothing but a commoner killing a nobel was a crime. At one time Christian killing any Muslim they saw was norm, shall we go back to that time?

Why do you think all these norms were abolished and abnormalities became norm?

Vagina + Penis = Baby.

Actually, sperm + egg = babies.

Also there are lots of gay men that are very masculine and not obvious about it at all

Exaclty, one of my friend, knew him for 2 years before I found out that he was gay. He was as manly as the straight guys I knew. If he didn’t tell me he was gay, I would never have guessed. The whole thing about gays being feminine and lesbians being masculine is your typical stereotype if you ask me.

People are not going to become gay… they are born gay, they don’t one day wake up and decide you gona be gay just for the sake of it.

If someone decides to start fucking a guy after he got dumped many times by women, he is not gay. Homosexuality doesn’t work that way.

PS: I don’t mind we not having kids… damn that would nice… save the planet :P

]]> By: Nadia (Canada and Iraq)http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/04/09/the-gay-the-gay-the-transsexual-3-new-words-learnt-new-perspective-gained/#comment-35296 Nadia (Canada and Iraq) Mon, 09 Apr 2007 17:32:18 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/04/09/the-gay-the-gay-the-transsexual-3-new-words-learnt-new-perspective-gained/#comment-35296 You say that you don't think homosexuality is the norm, and then you go and express concerns that if we as a society tolerate that everybody will somehow become gay and that will be problematic for society and no one will have children ever again. I can tell you living here, it's a very small percentage of people here are gay even though they are treated as equals. Nobody wants the whole world to be gay, not even gay people, they just want to live their lives.Also there are lots of gay men that are very masculine and not obvious about it at all, so you've probably met a few that you liked and got along with without even realizing it. You say that you don’t think homosexuality is the norm, and then you go and express concerns that if we as a society tolerate that everybody will somehow become gay and that will be problematic for society and no one will have children ever again. I can tell you living here, it’s a very small percentage of people here are gay even though they are treated as equals. Nobody wants the whole world to be gay, not even gay people, they just want to live their lives.

Also there are lots of gay men that are very masculine and not obvious about it at all, so you’ve probably met a few that you liked and got along with without even realizing it.

]]> By: Jina (Web Surgeon)http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/04/09/the-gay-the-gay-the-transsexual-3-new-words-learnt-new-perspective-gained/#comment-35288 Jina (Web Surgeon) Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:52:29 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/04/09/the-gay-the-gay-the-transsexual-3-new-words-learnt-new-perspective-gained/#comment-35288 We are all humans. Everyone makes mistakes, everyone has the capacity to be shitheads. Thats that. Gays, lesbians, trans, bis are immoral based on your religious views alone. This sense of morality derived from moral norm that existed several 1000 years ago. It does not apply to present time. People need to realize this and we can all move forward. We are all humans. Everyone makes mistakes, everyone has the capacity to be shitheads. Thats that. Gays, lesbians, trans, bis are immoral based on your religious views alone. This sense of morality derived from moral norm that existed several 1000 years ago. It does not apply to present time. People need to realize this and we can all move forward.

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