Comments on: Women and sex in Saudi Arabia

By: Duenionuses

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By: Ahlong Samabu

Ahlong Samabu — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:12:26 +0000

Dear Nabila,
In a world of where men always has the say of what women should be, one can’t help to appreciate the kind of woman you are but makes me sad so many men in this page who think they are so knowledgeable enough to change the world to their unique culture that contently sees women covered from head to foot more beautiful than women who are not.

By: nabila

nabila — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:27:23 +0000

Do you realise that women in afghanistan were oppressed? They were not allowed to do anything for fear of being lashed. Their islamic rights to human dignity and free choice were stripped. Their right to an education and their rights to work were removed. That is not islam. Even the veils which they were commanded to wear are not islamic, nowhere in the quraan or hadith are women ordered to cover their faces. The rule of the taliban was not islamic so don’t confuse it. It was an oppressive regime.
Also do you realise the number or rapes that go unreported especially those committed by perpetrators known to the victim?
In the one week I spent seeing kids at a mental hospital I realised how often it is that these crimes go unreported. Many women are more afraid of the public backlash, having to deal with the shame and are afraid of rejection of society in regards to them now being tainted.
From the kids who were admitted, the majority had been abused by family members. These kids were all under the age of 16. One case come to mind, a 14 year old who was admitted after trying to commit suicide – during therapy her psychologist found out that she was raped by her grandfather, this kid made the psychologist swear that no one would tell her parents. What are the chances that she’s ever report it?
It is naïve to say that keeping women at home is saving them.

By: Mohammed Moosa

Mohammed Moosa — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:41:33 +0000

Dear Nabila ,
i live here in saudi arabia and that i can see the crime rate very very low comparatively in rest of the world , islamic laws prevent crimes ,its infact true when you apply these rules
you can check the status of afghanistan during the period of taliban rule for 5 years and now after the taliban rule , in 5 years there were no rape case and only one murder case which was given death penalty ,even here in saudi arabia we do not hear any such cases , in years we hear one
but u know the status of rest of the world , its your choice take it or leave it
check the churches why people started to ignore them where there is no segregation .
every thing is permitted , here in mosques we have segregated , its going well

By: nabila

nabila — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:09:41 +0000

Dear Mohammed,
You left out the line part about believing men lowering their gazes and guarding their modesty.
The recommendation is to not reveal charms/ornaments except that which appears ordinarily thereof. That would be my face, my arms, my feet too.
The veil is drawn over my bosom, I tend to avoid nudist beaches, and I tend to not wear clothing that is extremely revealing unless I’m at home.
There is no reason to assume that I am not to interact with people of the opposite sex from anything written above.
Also, yes, women are advised to be modest to avoid being troubled. I am modest, I go out of my way to look super sexy and attract attention, I don’t flirt or tease, so no, I’m not asking to be molested. Neither for that matter are most girls wearing shorts or tank tops – in my society that is normal, not slutty.
Many of the rapes that I’ve heard accounts of in SA had nothing to do with dress or flirts, kids and grannies generally don’t dress up skankily, there are more important societal factors resulting in this problem.
In the prophets time girls went to mosque and to eid gah, they spoke at the mosque, were part of public life. Why do so many muslims ignore these facts?
I realise that coming from a completelt different background will make it difficult for you to understand my perspective, but I do hope that you open your mind to the fact that not all women would choose to not work, not drive, not mix and that these women can be staunch, strong muslim women too, who also deserve respect.

By: Mohammed Moosa

Mohammed Moosa — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 10:49:46 +0000

Dear Nabila,
regarding hijab
” And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands fathers, their sons does this words of quran mean that they should mingled other than any males who is neither their father,
husband and son, can u please answer me that does it mean that they can move freely with any males other than these categories.
The Qurâan says that Hijab has been prescribed for the women so that they are recognized as modest women and this will also prevent them from being molested.
Example of twin sisters
Suppose two sisters who are twins, and who are equally beautiful, walk down the street. One of them is attired in the Islamic hijab i.e. the complete body is covered, except for the face and the hands up to the wrists. The other sister is wearing western clothes, a mini skirt or shorts. Just around the corner there is a hooligan or ruffian who is waiting for a catch, to tease a girl. Whom will he tease? The girl wearing the Islamic Hijab or the girl wearing the skirt or the mini? Naturally he will tease the girl wearing the skirt or the mini. Such dresses are an indirect invitation to the opposite sex for teasing and molestation. The Qurâ€™an rightly says that hijab prevents women from being molested.

By: nabila

nabila — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 10:27:04 +0000

Also, I think there needs to be a proper revision of the hadith excluding those which are not consistant with the quraan.
They were working on a hadith project at a univeristy in turkey but I have not heard anything about it in a while. Does anyone else know anything about it?
Take care

By: nabila

nabila — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 10:14:41 +0000

I’m not from the middle east. I’m a muslim living in south africa.
I find mohammeds statements that he can’t control himself when it come to women pretty tragic.
In south africa, most of the boys find ideas like that horrific.
As more than one has told me, ‘we men can control ourselves. We’re not animals’.
In fact, they find it really annoying when people accuse them of being unable to control themselves.
I do not wear hijab in the traditional sense. I don’t wear a headscarf and I often wear sleeveless clothing, but I’ve never had any male treat me with disrespect or objectify me because of this.
I’m studying medicine so spend everyday with male colleagues, and patients yet I have never had a stranger trying to make moves on me with an exception of 2 different arab guys or 2 differenty occasions. Strange huh?
I would not be happy staying indoors and secluded at all times because that’s not my personality.I love working, I love travelling and I love driving often when I’m alone!
South africa has an extremely hig
h rate of violent crime including rape- it is unrelated to the way people dress, more a result of various socio-economic and cultural factors, myths and the extreme poverty and hardship that affects much of the nation.
I’m currently still looking for where in the quraan intermingling of the genders was banned. In any case, from my friends, it is a guy who is most encouraging when it comes to my search for islamic understanding.
I’ve benefitted enormously from my interactions
I appreciate that you are happy with the state of things in saudi, but don’t be blind and assume that its a flawless society.
My personal opinion is that the islam as practiced today is very far away from the islam of the quraan and we need to actively try to change this situation.
Ps- women are not inferior, even when it come to visio spatials, I’d outclass 90 percent of the guys I knew at physics, maths computer science without even really trying. I’m also way better than my brother with carpentry:P
Excuse me if i ranted a bit

By: Mohammed Moosa

Mohammed Moosa — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 10:10:46 +0000

salam alay kum,
i would like to appreciate miss Rashida for the reply after 1 year , the comment was placed one year back and that the response is after one year , i can beleive you if you can provide the exact figures , you can prove me wrong by providing the exact statistics . there may be slight differences in my comments earlier. any how if you want to have discussion with me you can come to the personner email address m1sa2003@yahoo.com so that i reply you earlier.
Regards
Mohammed Moosa

By: دردشة

دردشة — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 07:46:24 +0000

Hello my name is Rashida I am from Lebonon but now I live in London

I have been most interested by this thread and I have enjoyed particularly the comments of Esra.

I want to respond to Mohammed Moosa , respectfully, I think you are making these statistics up. There is not 3 million more females in the UK than males, it is about the same, check here. And 1/3 of people in New York are not gay. Also people aren’t gay because they have no other option in free societies. Please, if I am wrong provide the statistics?

By: Perteng Othoga

Perteng Othoga — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 09:52:04 +0000

In Saudi Arabia, if you leave a boy and a girl alone in the street, chances are it is the boy most likely than the girl to be raped first by sex starved Saudi men. This is because a girl symbolizes death or trouble that it becomes a tradition men have sex with men to vent their sexual needs. This explains why touching a man’s butt is haram and means sex. In the west it is not. No sexual connection. These are very prevalent in Saudi Arabia and is considered normal.

By: Perteng Othoga

Perteng Othoga — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 09:14:43 +0000

Historically speaking, before this Abrahamic religion was born, women were topless and men wore almost nothing to cover their genitals. And they don’t have any problem with that. Everybody is happy and nobody is thinking dirty. Then came Judaism, then Christianity and Islam. All of them say Haram. Cover your genitals, cover your breast (did not say it turns them on) or we will kill you because heaven will not accept you. From then on, man’s body has became a babel and cannot find peace within himself as he taught the world what a clean mind is and what beauty there is in pedophilia.

By: Perteng Othoga

Perteng Othoga — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 08:02:10 +0000

Saudi Arabia takes pride in having their women covered entirely in veil. This kind of tradition has influenced arab world which is good because it looks as though these women are virgins although it is no guarantee. Of course in reality or at first impression, veiling in Saudi Arabia is more of ignorance than a virtue to the world in general. To a woman who claims she is happy with that tradition is simply a hypocrite. And to men who appreciates it is simply insecured and envious. I believe not until we realize this, can we have the right to discuss equality of women in our society.

By: damot

damot — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 13:19:47 +0000

i think muslim womens should be inside their houses serving their fathers , husbands , brothers and all other family members…and morever dont let them use internet unless untill theres no key logger install in it ..and we should keep eyes on her mobile phones to know whom she is contacting and never let her go alone anywhere for shopping… and i am not arab i am muslim boy from EUROPE AND YES I AM WHITE EUROPEAN …and MUSLIM WOMENS SHOULD NEVER EVER BE ALLOWED TO DRIVE CAR ESPECIALLY IN SAUDI ARABIA.

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By: Mohammed Moosa

Mohammed Moosa — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 06:45:34 +0000

Dear Rasheeda,
i had given the accurate statistics in the last report,
The census gave details of gender differences, revealing that women were increasing their majority over men.
Whereas in the past women only began to outnumber men from the late 40s and over, now there are more women than men in all age brackets from 22 onwards.
Census officials said that improved health-care and living standards had contributed to the ageing population.
The proportion of over 60s has risen from 16% to 21% of the population in the past 50 years, while the proportion of under 16s has fallen from 24% to 20%.
Office of National Statistics (ONS) officials said the overall population figure was smaller than expected because of ”the great difficulty in calculating immigration and especially numbers of people leaving the country”.
But the ONS expressed total confidence in the accuracy of the £255 million survey, calling it “the most accurate census result that could be achieved using the best methods available”.

By: Mohammed Moosa

Mohammed Moosa — Tue, 04 Nov 2008 17:52:20 +0000

Most Muslims know that Islam is a universal religion, meant for all mankind.
Allah (swt) is the Lord of the entire Universe, and Muslims have been entrusted
with the duty of conveying His message to all mankind. Alas, most Muslims
today have become callous towards this duty! While accepting Islam as the best
way of life for ourselves, most of us are unwilling to share this knowledge with those to whom the message has not yet been conveyed.
The Arabic word Da’wah means a call or an invitation. In Islamic context, it
means to strive for the propagation of Islam.
The Glorious Qur’an says:
“Ah! Who is more unjust than those who conceal the testimony they
have from Allah? But Allah is not unmindful of what ye do!”
[Al-Qur’an 2:140]
In conveying the message of Islam to a non-Muslim, it is usually not sufficient to highlight only the positive nature of Islam. Most non-Muslims are not convinced about the truth of Islam because there are a few questions about Islam at the back of their minds that remain unanswered.
They may agree with your contentions about the positive nature of Islam. But,
in the same breath, they will say – “Ah! But you are the same Muslims who
marry more than one woman. You are the same people who subjugate women
by keeping them behind the veil. You are fundamentalists, etc.”
I personally prefer asking the non-Muslims upfront, with their limited
knowledge, whether right or wrong, from whichever source it may be, what they
feel is wrong in Islam. I encourage them to be very frank and open and convince
them that I can take criticism about Islam.
In the past few years of my Da’wah experience, I have realized that there are
barely twenty most common questions that a common non-Muslim has
regarding Islam. Whenever you ask a non-Muslim, “what do you feel is wrong in
Islam?”, he poses five or six questions, and these questions invariably fall
among the twenty most common questions.
hen at least in removing misconceptions about Islam and neutralizing the
negative thinking about Islam and Muslims that the non-Muslims have. A very
few non-Muslims may have counter arguments to these replies, for which
further information may be required.
The common misconceptions about Islam arise in the minds of a majority of
non-Muslims, because they are constantly being bombarded with
misinformation about Islam. International media is mainly controlled by the
western world, whether it is international satellite channels, radio stations, news papers, magazines or books. Recently the Internet has become a powerful
medium of information. Though it is not controlled by anybody, one finds a large amount of virulent propaganda about Islam on the Internet. Of course, Muslims too are utilizing this tool to portray the right image of Islam and Muslims, but they are far behind as compared to the propaganda against Islam. I hope the efforts by the Muslims will increase and continue to be pursued.
There are many non-Muslims who have studied Islam. Most of them have only
read books on Islam written by biased critics of Islam. These non-Muslims have
an additional set of twenty common misconceptions about Islam. For instance,
they claim to have found contradictions in the Qur’an, they contend that the
Qur’an is unscientific, etc. There is another set of additional replies clearing these twenty misconceptions among non-Muslims who have studied Islam from distorted sources. I have also given the replies to twenty additional less
common questions among the non-Muslims in my public talks and book on
“Answers to Common Questions about Islam by Non-Muslims who have some
knowledge about Islam”.

Let us now analyse why Islam allows a man to have more than one wife.

3. Qur’an permits limited polygyny
As I mentioned earlier, Qur’an is the only religious book on the face of the earth
that says ‘marry only one’. The context of this phrase is the following verse from
Surah Nisa of the Glorious Qur’an:

“Marry women of your choice, two, or three, or four; but if ye fear that
ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one.”
[Al-Qur’an 4:3]

Before the Qur’an was revealed, there was no upper limit for polygyny and
many men had scores of wives, some even hundreds. Islam put an upper limit
of four wives. Islam gives a man permission to marry two, three or four women,
only on the condition that he deals justly with them.

In the same chapter i.e. Surah Nisa verse 129 says:

“Ye are never able to be fair and just as between women….”
[Al-Qur’an 4:129]

Therefore polygyny is not a rule but an exception. Many people are under the
misconception that it is compulsory for a Muslim man to have more than one wife.
Broadly, Islam has five categories of Do’s and Don’ts:

(i) ‘Fard’ i.e. compulsory or obligatory
(ii) ‘Mustahab’ i.e. recommended or encouraged
(iii) ‘Mubah’ i.e. permissible or allowed
(iv) ‘Makruh’ i.e. not recommended or discouraged
(v) ‘Haraam’ i.e. prohibited or forbidden
Polygyny falls in the middle category of things that are permissible. It cannot be said that a Muslim who has two, three or four wives is a better Muslim as
compared to a Muslim who has only one wife.
Average life span of females is more than that of males
By nature males and females are born in approximately the same ratio. A
female child has more immunity than a male child. A female child can fight the
germs and diseases better than the male child. For this reason, during the
pediatric age itself there are more deaths among males as compared to the
females.

During wars, there are more men killed as compared to women. More men die
due to accidents and diseases than women. The average life span of females
is more than that of males, and at any given time one finds more widows in the
world than widowers.

5. India has more male population than female due to female
foeticide and infanticide
India is one of the few countries, along with the other neighbouring countries, in
which the female population is less than the male population. The reason lies in
the high rate of female infanticide in India, and the fact that more than one
million female foetuses are aborted every year in this country, after they are
identified as females. If this evil practice is stopped, then India too will have
more females as compared to males.

6. World female population is more than male population
In the USA, women outnumber men by 7.8 million. New York alone has one
million more females as compared to the number of males, and of the male
population of New York one-third are gays i.e sodomites. The U.S.A as a whole
has more than twenty-five million gays. This means that these people do not
wish to marry women. Great Britain has four million more females as compared
to males. Germany has five million more females as compared to males. Russia
has nine million more females than males. God alone knows how many million
more females there are in the whole world as compared to males.

7. Restricting each and every man to have only one wife is not
practical Even if every man got married to one woman, there would still be more than thirty million females in U.S.A who would not be able to get husbands
(considering that America has twenty five million gays). There would be more
than four million females in Great Britain, 5 million females in Germany and nine million females in Russia alone who would not be able to find a husband.

Suppose any sister happens to be one of the unmarried women living in USA, or
suppose your sister happens to be one of the unmarried women in USA. The
only two options remaining for her are that she either marries a man who
already has a wife or becomes ‘public property’. There is no other option. All
those who are modest will opt for the first.
I invite berni to come in islam , learn more and that you know that it is the correct path and till the world collapse quran which is the final reveal of allah and not like cristians and jews writing their own book saying the message from god , laanah on the people who writes and says its a reveal of allah
quran is never changed and will never till the world is there

By: Berni

Berni — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:44:31 +0000

Dear Sir, Madam.

I was born in Saudi and lived and educated in Saudi public schools but I was denied Saudi citizenship because I belonged to no Islamic sect (I consider all Islamic sects as misguided and leading to Hell.) I come from a Sunni family supposed to be the first Muslims but I try to be a scientist, not a Muslim or otherwise. Muslims say Islam is the only incorruptible religion. The opposite is true. Islam is the only corrupt religion.

The problem with Muslims is that they only see Islam through the eyes of Hadith and Sunnah. While Quran is our only holy book, Hadith & Sunnah were written more than 2 centuries after the death of the Prophet and the methodology adopted for their verification is questionable. FYI, Islam was revealed to me exactly as it was revealed to Rashad de http://www.submission.org.

However, I don’t think all Hadith are wrong and misleading. Only those Hadiths are valid that are inline with Quran. Our problem is that we blindly follow our scholars and refuse to adopt independent inquisition. In fact, innovation (Bid’ah) is prohibited in orthodox Islam. Blindly following someone is called Shirk (polytheism) in Quran and there are many kinds of polytheism. This way, after 14 centuries, we Muslims are still polytheists as we always were.

What is needed is re-sorting of all Hadith and Sunnah in light of Quran. Contradictory Hadiths should then be properly marked and eliminated from text books. The coming generation then will hold some hope in following (or even understanding) the message that was revealed to me.

Since this forum discusses women in Islam (in general), let me state one example. The polygamy in Quran has actually 3 conditions, not one. The first is that the couple be child-less. The second is that they are not ready to adopt and the third is that the husband does justice to all wives.

The problem with Saudi is that Mullahs (clerics) are part of the government and the holy rule of secularism is considered prohibited in orthodox Islam. According to Quran, religion cannot be enforced (La ikraha fi al-deen, qad tabayyana al-rushd min al-ghay…) therefore, secularism’s holiness.

The history tells us that unless men rise up for the rights of women, there will be no hope.

I would like someone to tell me if my transliteration of Quran verse is acceptable or should I use English translations instead?

Ciao, Berni de Rawalpindi.

By: Rashida

Rashida — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:31:03 +0000

Hello my name is Rashida I am from Lebonon but now I live in LondonI have been most interested by this thread and I have enjoyed particularly the comments of Esra.I want to respond to Mohammed Moosa , respectfully, I think you are making these statistics up. There is not 3 million more females in the UK than males, it is about the same, check here. And 1/3 of people in New York are not gay. Also people aren't gay because they have no other option in free societies. Please, if I am wrong provide the statistics?

By: Mohammed Moosa

Mohammed Moosa — Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:28:25 +0000

why… is a man is allowed to marry more than one wife, in Islam. The Polygamy actually means that… ‘A person who has more than one Spouse’. It is divided into two categories – ‘Polygeny’… in which, a man has more than one wife, and ‘Polyendry’… in which, a woman has got more than one husband. People normally, think Polygamy means… ‘A man can only… man can marry more than one wife’ – Polygamy means both… ‘A person having more than one spouse’. If a man has more than one wife, it’s called ‘Polygeny’… and if a woman has more than one husband, it is called ‘Polyendry’. But since the sister has mainly asked the question… ‘Why is a man allowed to marry more than one wife?’ I will answer, why is Polygeny al¬lowed in Islam. Qur’an happens to be the only Religious book on the face of the earth, which says… ‘Marry only one’. There is no Religious book on the face of the earth, which says… ‘Marry only one’.
You read the Geeta, you read the Veda, you read the Ramayana, you read the Mahabharta, you read the Bible – No where it is mentioned… ‘Marry only one’ – Its only mentioned in the Qur’an. In fact if you read the Hindu Scriptures, most of the kings… most of the kings had several wives – King Dashrat had more than one wife, Lord Krishna had several wives. If you read the Jewish Scriptures, the Jewish law allowed ‘Polygeny’ in the 11th century. It was only when Rabi Gurdshom Benjahuda, he passed a Signord and said… ‘Polygeny should not be allowed’. Still, it was practiced by the Septranic Jewish community, in the Muslim countries… until in 1950, the chief Rabainite of Israel, put a ban on it. The Christian Bible allows Polygeny – only a couple of centuries ago, the Church put a ban on it. Even if you analyse the legal aspect of India, the Indian law allowed a Hindu man to have more than one wife. It was only in 1954, when the Hindu Marriage Act was passed, and if I am wrong Justice Kazi can correct me – When the Hindu marriage Act was passed in 1954, which put a ban, and prohibited the Hindu man to marry more than one wife. If you see the statistics, according to a committee report on ‘The status of women in Islam’, which was published in 1975, on page No. 66 and 67, it states the percentage of Polygamous marriages. And it said that… ‘The percentage in which the Hindus did Polygenous marriages, it was 5.06, and the percentage of Muslim Polygenous marriages, was only 4.31’. Let us leave the statistics, aside… let us come to the main point – why did Islam allow Polygeny? As I mentioned earlier, Qur’an is the only Religious book on the face of the earth which says… ‘Marry only one’. It is mentioned in Surah Nisa, Ch. No. 4, Verse No. 3, that… ‘You can marry women of your choice, in twos, threes or fours, but if you can not do justice, marry only one’. This statement… ‘Marry only one’, is only given in the Qur’an – it is not there in any other Religious books. In pre-Islamic Arabia, men had several wives… Some people had hundreds of wives. Islam put an upper limit to Polygamy – Maximum four. And if you can have more than one wife, only on the condition, that you can do equal justice between the two, or bet¬ween the three, or four – otherwise only one. And the same Surah… Surah Nisa, Ch. No. 4, Verse No. 129, says that…, ‘It is very difficult for a man to be just, between his wives’. So Polygamy is an exception… it is not the rule – Many people think that Islam says…, you should compulsory marry more than one wife. There are five categories of do’s and don’ts, in Islam. 1st category is compulsory, which is ‘Farz’, the 2nd category is ‘Recommended’ or ‘Encouraged’, the 3rd category is the ‘Permissible’ category, the 4th category is the ‘Discouraged’ category, and the last is prohibited or ‘Forbidden’ – Polygeny, falls in the middle category of, ‘Permissible’. There is no statement in any Hadith, or in the Qur’an which says that… ‘If a man marries more than one wife, he is a better Muslim than a person who marries only one wife’. Let us analyse logically, why does Islam allow a man, to marry more than one wife? By nature, men and women are born… male and females are born, in equal proportion. But medical science tells us that… ‘The fetus… if it’s a female, it is more stronger than the male fetus.’ Pediatric knowledge tells us, that… a female child has got more resistance, than the male child – A female child can fight germs and disease, much more stronger and a better way, than the male child. *** Medical science tells us, that the female is health wise a stronger sex, than the male – so in the Pediatric stage itself, the female ratio is higher than the male ratio. Wars take place in the world, and during wars, more males are killed than the female. Even the recent war which took place… in the recent war which took place in Afghanistan, approximately more than one and a half million people were martyred, out of which most of them were men. Statistics tells us that accidents take place – More of the men die in accidents, than female – More male death takes place due to cigarette smoking, than female death. Therefore, we have more females in the world, as compared to the male. India is one of the country, besides the few of the Asian countries, and Africa, in which the female population is more than the male population. And the reason I have given you … because more than one million fetuses are… female fetuses are being aborted, every year. And because of the high rate of infanticide… female infanticide – that is the reason, that females are less than the male. Otherwise, you stop this evil practice, and within a few decade, you’ll have that the male population is… will become much less than the female population. In New York alone, there are 1 million females more than male – In US, alone there are 7.8 million females more than males, and out of the male population of New York, 1/3 are Gay. They are Sodomites – That means, they can not find female partners – And there are more than 25 million Gays in America. In Britain alone, there are more than 4 million females, more than males – In Germany alone there are 5 million females more, than males – In Russia alone, there are 7 million females, more than males – And God knows, how many million females are there more than the males, in this whole world. If suppose my sister happens to live in America, and suppose the market is saturated, every man has found a female partner for himself – Still there will be more than 30 million females in USA alone, who will not be able to find husbands. And suppose my sister who is living in America, happens to be amongst the unfortunate ladies, who has not found a partner yet – The only option remaining for her is, that she either marries a husband… she marries a man who already has a wife, or she becomes public prop¬erty – There is no third option. And believe me I have posed this question to hundreds of Non-Muslims, and every one opted for the first – No one so far, has opted for the second. But there are some people who are smart, and he said that… ‘I would prefer my sister remaining a virgin’. Believe me, medical science tells us, that a man or woman cannot remain a virgin, throughout her life. She cannot remain a virgin, throughout her life, without indulging in illicit sex or sexual perversion, because daily, sex hormones are being liberated in the body. And those great men, who claim to have renounced the world, for example the Sages and the Sants, who go to mountains and Himalayas… behind them, you find the devadasis going – for what? According to a report… according to a report… ‘Out of the Priests and the Nuns of the Church of England, the majority indulge in fornication and homosexuality’ – there is no option… there no third option. The only option is, that you marry a husband who already has a wife, or you become a public property.

By: shahid grewal

shahid grewal — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:03:09 +0000

Drear Esra hope u will fine and doing ur well,
i have read this first time today and like it most,yes ofcourse is an important discussion of the world.IT IS VERY CLEAR IN ISLAM THAT A MAN IS ALLOWED TO GET 4 NO MARRIAGES BUT CONDITION IS ALSO VERY CLEAR… IT I WRITEN IN QURAN THAT YOU ARE ALLOWED TO GET MERRY UP TO 4 NO WOMEN IF U CAN DO THE JUSTICE, MEAN WHILE IT HAS CLEARLY WRITEN THAT YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO.

By: Al-ameen

Al-ameen — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 19:17:07 +0000

Kawthar, I did know when I posted my post– that the original idea of “Custody of children” was posted by a poster with user handle “bob” and not “Esra”. Please refer to the posts I’ve copied down.

On 08.11.07 at 15:53 MST
Esra’a Wrote:
men get custody of the children because men are guarenteed to be muslim in islamic marriages.
This doesn’t make any sense.

On 08.11.07 at 14:12 MST
bob Wrote:
men get custody of the children because men are guarenteed to be muslim in islamic marriages. since the bigotted islamic laws forbid women to marry non-muslims. so if you side w/ the man legally you are siding with the side guarenteed to be muslim.

Indeed my reply was to “Esra’s” post and not to the post of “Bob”. Also

This doesn’t make any sense

was “Esra’s” statement and not mine. I think missing quotes complicated my post. And I hope now the confusion is cleared. And about thread being rather old, I believe the matter is still relevant, if it’s not— then the author of this thread can finish the thread by saying this matter is no more relevant or at least can close the thread by saying no more replies are allowed. As long as this blog post is up, people like me will end-up here while searching something and will post replies—-so in true sense it won’t become old.

That being said, a point that this remark rasies is that Muslim women cannot marry non-Muslims. It’s true that there have been a few voices proclaiming that it’s Islamically acceptable (Khaled Abou El Fadl comes to mind), I don’t see that view being accepted by the mainstream.

That’s interesting viewpoint Kawthar very rarely expressed by the mainstream.