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		<title>By: Esra'a</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/04/11/don-imus-controversy-raises-issues-about-inconsistent-principles/#comment-6313</link>
		<dc:creator>Esra'a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 14:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been away for a conference in Morocco and I will be back tomorrow night, I know this is a highly controversial discussion and I&#039;d like to ask people to contact me personally regarding the whole deleting comments deal. What&#039;s going on?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been away for a conference in Morocco and I will be back tomorrow night, I know this is a highly controversial discussion and I&#8217;d like to ask people to contact me personally regarding the whole deleting comments deal. What&#8217;s going on?</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/04/11/don-imus-controversy-raises-issues-about-inconsistent-principles/#comment-6312</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 02:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jina, of course you&#039;re the one who deleted it because you disagree with me. It&#039;s ridiculous that you can bring a personal vendetta and manifest it in deleting my points simply because we are arguing. Had I been on your side of things and used similar expressions, I would not have been deleted. Please elaborate on which racial slurs I used? NONE. People who disagree with Al Sharpton or YOU are not automatic racists. If that were true, then the vast majority of the American people (most non-black Americans, and many black Americans too, are just sick of Sharpton) would be racist. Get over yourself.

Furthermore, you neglect to show a justification for why my posts simply askign where my previous posts went were deleted. These things were three lines long--why were they deleted?

Finally, Jina, I&#039;d like to remind you that I&#039;ve been a part of this site for just as long as you, and I don&#039;t think you&#039;re qualified to try and delete the posts of people who disagree with you. You need to mature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jina, of course you&#8217;re the one who deleted it because you disagree with me. It&#8217;s ridiculous that you can bring a personal vendetta and manifest it in deleting my points simply because we are arguing. Had I been on your side of things and used similar expressions, I would not have been deleted. Please elaborate on which racial slurs I used? NONE. People who disagree with Al Sharpton or YOU are not automatic racists. If that were true, then the vast majority of the American people (most non-black Americans, and many black Americans too, are just sick of Sharpton) would be racist. Get over yourself.</p>
<p>Furthermore, you neglect to show a justification for why my posts simply askign where my previous posts went were deleted. These things were three lines long&#8211;why were they deleted?</p>
<p>Finally, Jina, I&#8217;d like to remind you that I&#8217;ve been a part of this site for just as long as you, and I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re qualified to try and delete the posts of people who disagree with you. You need to mature.</p>
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		<title>By: Nadia</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/04/11/don-imus-controversy-raises-issues-about-inconsistent-principles/#comment-6311</link>
		<dc:creator>Nadia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 01:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Merci!</description>
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		<title>By: Jina (Web Surgeon)</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/04/11/don-imus-controversy-raises-issues-about-inconsistent-principles/#comment-6310</link>
		<dc:creator>Jina (Web Surgeon)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 01:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fixed it :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fixed it <img src='http://www.mideastyouth.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Nadia</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/04/11/don-imus-controversy-raises-issues-about-inconsistent-principles/#comment-6309</link>
		<dc:creator>Nadia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 01:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no idea why the last bit is like that.  Oh well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no idea why the last bit is like that.  Oh well.</p>
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		<title>By: Nadia</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/04/11/don-imus-controversy-raises-issues-about-inconsistent-principles/#comment-6308</link>
		<dc:creator>Nadia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 01:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh wow
 &lt;blockquote&gt;Europeans do it all the time with the French national soccer team, making fun of the fact that it is mostly black. The French donâ€™t care, and neither do Africans. The same should be for America.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Yeah Europeans were making monkey noises at the French soccer team and regularly subjected them to racial slurs.  You&#039;re insanely wrong about the not caring part.  Players have walked off the field in protest on more than one occasion, Henry founded an organization to fight racism in sport, FIFA has fined coaches and players that use racial hatred.

And actually it&#039;s not harmless taunting.  Football hooligan gangs are notorious for attacking minority groups off the field.  One of the Italian ones was connected to a far right group that carried out a terrorist attack on a museum dedicated to Italian resistance to the Nazis.

I guess that kind of racism isn&#039;t &quot;real&quot; enough for you?  Or anyone who doesn&#039;t use the n-word is by default not racist?  Give me a break.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh wow</p>
<blockquote><p>Europeans do it all the time with the French national soccer team, making fun of the fact that it is mostly black. The French donâ€™t care, and neither do Africans. The same should be for America.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah Europeans were making monkey noises at the French soccer team and regularly subjected them to racial slurs.  You&#8217;re insanely wrong about the not caring part.  Players have walked off the field in protest on more than one occasion, Henry founded an organization to fight racism in sport, FIFA has fined coaches and players that use racial hatred.</p>
<p>And actually it&#8217;s not harmless taunting.  Football hooligan gangs are notorious for attacking minority groups off the field.  One of the Italian ones was connected to a far right group that carried out a terrorist attack on a museum dedicated to Italian resistance to the Nazis.</p>
<p>I guess that kind of racism isn&#8217;t &#8220;real&#8221; enough for you?  Or anyone who doesn&#8217;t use the n-word is by default not racist?  Give me a break.</p>
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		<title>By: Jina (Web Surgeon)</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/04/11/don-imus-controversy-raises-issues-about-inconsistent-principles/#comment-6307</link>
		<dc:creator>Jina (Web Surgeon)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 00:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any more racist comments from anyone will result in deletion of your comments, no exception. If you keep at it, you&#039;ll be banned.
http://www.mideastyouth.com/comment-policy

Patrick, think before you write. That was the reason I deleted your post. Debate the issue and don&#039;t insult the person. Click on Comment policy, you violated the first 3 rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any more racist comments from anyone will result in deletion of your comments, no exception. If you keep at it, you&#8217;ll be banned.<br />
<a href="http://www.mideastyouth.com/comment-policy" rel="nofollow">http://www.mideastyouth.com/comment-policy</a></p>
<p>Patrick, think before you write. That was the reason I deleted your post. Debate the issue and don&#8217;t insult the person. Click on Comment policy, you violated the first 3 rules.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/04/11/don-imus-controversy-raises-issues-about-inconsistent-principles/#comment-6306</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 00:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can delete a post for inappropriate comments. However, you cannot delete a post asking why a post has been deleted! That&#039;s simply ludicrous! So again---Why was my last post deleted?

Just answer the question!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can delete a post for inappropriate comments. However, you cannot delete a post asking why a post has been deleted! That&#8217;s simply ludicrous! So again&#8212;Why was my last post deleted?</p>
<p>Just answer the question!</p>
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		<title>By: Jina (Web Surgeon)</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/04/11/don-imus-controversy-raises-issues-about-inconsistent-principles/#comment-6305</link>
		<dc:creator>Jina (Web Surgeon)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Well I always thought Al Sharpton was pretty great.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Same here, these guys risked their lives at one time to give the minorities in the States the rights they enjoy. I love it when the same minority step on them for their work now because they think it&#039;s irrelevant. I don&#039;t know why this Patrick thinks he&#039;s Afrocentric, he is not. This man would backup any minority if they bring up the issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Well I always thought Al Sharpton was pretty great.</p></blockquote>
<p>Same here, these guys risked their lives at one time to give the minorities in the States the rights they enjoy. I love it when the same minority step on them for their work now because they think it&#8217;s irrelevant. I don&#8217;t know why this Patrick thinks he&#8217;s Afrocentric, he is not. This man would backup any minority if they bring up the issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Jina (Web Surgeon)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jina (Web Surgeon)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Whatever Jina.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Not the proper way to debate someone.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Why is it OK for non-blacks in your â€œhoodâ€ to say nigger and not OK for non-blacks outside it to say it to each other? Perhaps they mean it affectionately as well?&lt;/blockquote&gt;You don&#039;t know this non-black person. When they use the term, it might be offensive because an outsiders don&#039;t use the term nigger unless they have the mental capacity of a 10 year old or is a racist.

&lt;blockquote&gt;How is the comment on the Tenn team irrelevent? Is anything that contradicts your sensitive BS irrelevent? Itâ€™s clear that Imus is NOT racist and has nothing against black women in general, just the Rutgers basketball team. He clearly likes the black women on the Tennessee team so what gives?&lt;/blockquote&gt;You want me to give this guy a medal for not insulting the blacks on that team? This is why it&#039;s irrelevant, it has nothing to do with the debate at hand. We are talking about why he used certain racist words and not why he didn&#039;t.

&lt;blockquote&gt;AGain, if he or some black radio commentator called a white basketball team â€œwhite trash hosâ€ would that be offensive? No. Would that cause a media uproar? No.&lt;/blockquote&gt;It&#039;s up to the offended party to take up the cause. Again what does this have to do with what we are debating.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Why is it that everytime somebody criticizes someone who is HIspanic, black, or jewish, allegations of racism always fly?&lt;/blockquote&gt;Criticize them without using racist terms, criticize them in a civilized way. This almost never happens so you don&#039;t expect these people stand still while someone who oppressed them and still do get away with this kind of crap.

Jewish gravestones sometimes get desecrated, synagogue vandalized. If Jews don&#039;t remind the racist fucks that they are still watching them, they will know that there is a repercussion to their actions and may not do what they do. Same goes for blacks or other minorities. If they keep reminding the majority that they won&#039;t stand back while they are insulted and degraded. Simple as that.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Would you, Jina, Ms. Sensitive, be angry about it? Of course not.&lt;/blockquote&gt;You don&#039;t even know me, so stop coming to idiotic conclusions. And I am not Ms.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I definitely have black friends.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Good for you.

&lt;blockquote&gt;And what would be wrong with the black people who donâ€™t think Imusâ€™ comments are a big deal?&lt;/blockquote&gt;Their opinion, they have the freedom to choose. I am not talking about them. I am talking about the ones who are offended by the remarks.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Apparently you think that because I disagree with you and the Jackson/Sharpton race-baiting machine that I donâ€™t associate with black people?&lt;/blockquote&gt;Assumption.

&lt;blockquote&gt;â€œThat typeâ€ of black dude you refer to at the end of your little retarded rant- what does that mean?&lt;/blockquote&gt;Learn to debate before you call others retarded.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Are you referring to the more integrated black, or as Tyrie from the REal World so eloquently put it, the â€œacceptable negroâ€? Is that a bad thing?&lt;/blockquote&gt;I don&#039;t care what other do, their choice. I have no opinion for issues that are personal. I don&#039;t like getting into another person&#039;s personal business.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The fact is, I donâ€™t think this is a big deal.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Because you are not black.
&lt;blockquote&gt;I am not racist at all&lt;/blockquote&gt;Whatever makes you sleep well at night.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Like the type of subconscious racism I encounter in real life, outside the media. Like that retarded â€œsparkling wigglesâ€ video that seems to be making rounds on the internet. Like the Kramer incident. Like colonial oppression of the third world. Like the notion of the â€œwhite menâ€™s burdenâ€. All that shit is REAL and has REAL impacts, which the Imus incident does not.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Your opinion alone, it doesn&#039;t apply to the rest.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I am, after all, from the AFRICAN continent.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Ya, you are from the same part of the African continent who enslaved the blacks before the white man came along.

&lt;blockquote&gt;In fact, Iâ€™m sure if we were to visit any country in sub-Saharan Africa tomorrow they would more readily consider me a brother than you or any other black American.&lt;/blockquote&gt;What makes you say that? You have any source to backup this claim? Or do you mean like in Sudan where the Arabs are so nice to their black neighbours. Damn that&#039;s some comradery going on there.

A typical racist is always in denial about his own racism by justifying his racism by claiming to be a friend of a black person, know a black person, a claim that a black person would consider him/her a friend if they met him because he is so not racist.

Ohh I have some advice you for your debating skills. Follow the below link and learn about fallacies because most of your post except few lines is considered one because it adds nothing to the debate except bring in details that has nothing to do with the topic.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies
http://www.truthtree.com/debates.shtml</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Whatever Jina.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not the proper way to debate someone.</p>
<blockquote><p>Why is it OK for non-blacks in your â€œhoodâ€ to say nigger and not OK for non-blacks outside it to say it to each other? Perhaps they mean it affectionately as well?</p></blockquote>
<p>You don&#8217;t know this non-black person. When they use the term, it might be offensive because an outsiders don&#8217;t use the term nigger unless they have the mental capacity of a 10 year old or is a racist.</p>
<blockquote><p>How is the comment on the Tenn team irrelevent? Is anything that contradicts your sensitive BS irrelevent? Itâ€™s clear that Imus is NOT racist and has nothing against black women in general, just the Rutgers basketball team. He clearly likes the black women on the Tennessee team so what gives?</p></blockquote>
<p>You want me to give this guy a medal for not insulting the blacks on that team? This is why it&#8217;s irrelevant, it has nothing to do with the debate at hand. We are talking about why he used certain racist words and not why he didn&#8217;t.</p>
<blockquote><p>AGain, if he or some black radio commentator called a white basketball team â€œwhite trash hosâ€ would that be offensive? No. Would that cause a media uproar? No.</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s up to the offended party to take up the cause. Again what does this have to do with what we are debating.</p>
<blockquote><p>Why is it that everytime somebody criticizes someone who is HIspanic, black, or jewish, allegations of racism always fly?</p></blockquote>
<p>Criticize them without using racist terms, criticize them in a civilized way. This almost never happens so you don&#8217;t expect these people stand still while someone who oppressed them and still do get away with this kind of crap.</p>
<p>Jewish gravestones sometimes get desecrated, synagogue vandalized. If Jews don&#8217;t remind the racist fucks that they are still watching them, they will know that there is a repercussion to their actions and may not do what they do. Same goes for blacks or other minorities. If they keep reminding the majority that they won&#8217;t stand back while they are insulted and degraded. Simple as that.</p>
<blockquote><p>Would you, Jina, Ms. Sensitive, be angry about it? Of course not.</p></blockquote>
<p>You don&#8217;t even know me, so stop coming to idiotic conclusions. And I am not Ms.</p>
<blockquote><p>I definitely have black friends.</p></blockquote>
<p>Good for you.</p>
<blockquote><p>And what would be wrong with the black people who donâ€™t think Imusâ€™ comments are a big deal?</p></blockquote>
<p>Their opinion, they have the freedom to choose. I am not talking about them. I am talking about the ones who are offended by the remarks.</p>
<blockquote><p>Apparently you think that because I disagree with you and the Jackson/Sharpton race-baiting machine that I donâ€™t associate with black people?</p></blockquote>
<p>Assumption.</p>
<blockquote><p>â€œThat typeâ€ of black dude you refer to at the end of your little retarded rant- what does that mean?</p></blockquote>
<p>Learn to debate before you call others retarded.</p>
<blockquote><p>Are you referring to the more integrated black, or as Tyrie from the REal World so eloquently put it, the â€œacceptable negroâ€? Is that a bad thing?</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t care what other do, their choice. I have no opinion for issues that are personal. I don&#8217;t like getting into another person&#8217;s personal business.</p>
<blockquote><p>The fact is, I donâ€™t think this is a big deal.</p></blockquote>
<p>Because you are not black.</p>
<blockquote><p>I am not racist at all</p></blockquote>
<p>Whatever makes you sleep well at night.</p>
<blockquote><p>Like the type of subconscious racism I encounter in real life, outside the media. Like that retarded â€œsparkling wigglesâ€ video that seems to be making rounds on the internet. Like the Kramer incident. Like colonial oppression of the third world. Like the notion of the â€œwhite menâ€™s burdenâ€. All that shit is REAL and has REAL impacts, which the Imus incident does not.</p></blockquote>
<p>Your opinion alone, it doesn&#8217;t apply to the rest.</p>
<blockquote><p>I am, after all, from the AFRICAN continent.</p></blockquote>
<p>Ya, you are from the same part of the African continent who enslaved the blacks before the white man came along.</p>
<blockquote><p>In fact, Iâ€™m sure if we were to visit any country in sub-Saharan Africa tomorrow they would more readily consider me a brother than you or any other black American.</p></blockquote>
<p>What makes you say that? You have any source to backup this claim? Or do you mean like in Sudan where the Arabs are so nice to their black neighbours. Damn that&#8217;s some comradery going on there.</p>
<p>A typical racist is always in denial about his own racism by justifying his racism by claiming to be a friend of a black person, know a black person, a claim that a black person would consider him/her a friend if they met him because he is so not racist.</p>
<p>Ohh I have some advice you for your debating skills. Follow the below link and learn about fallacies because most of your post except few lines is considered one because it adds nothing to the debate except bring in details that has nothing to do with the topic.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies" rel="nofollow">http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies</a><br />
<a href="http://www.truthtree.com/debates.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.truthtree.com/debates.shtml</a></p>
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