India-Israel friendship
In the news recently was that Hindi is being taught at Tel Aviv University and Hebrew University in Israel. Haifa University recently announced its plans to start a course in Hindi as well.
To the delight of Indian food enthusiasts Reena Pushkarna(owner of Tandoori ) has a chain of seven Indian restaurants, two in Jerusalem, two in Herzliah Pituach, one each in Eliat, Ramat Hachyal and Tel Aviv. Tandoori is a favourite not only among Indians but Israelis as well, particularly those who have visited India. Dignitaries and bureaucrats are regular visitors to Tandoori. Her food is also served at various official functions.
Her enterprise took an amazing twist when Reena started Israel’s only Kosher Indian restaurant in Jerusalem and Tiberias(Kohinoor).
Indian cuisine often relies on blending yoghurt with chicken which is a religious taboo for non-vegetarian Jews. Dietary laws of Judaism prescribe separation of milk and meat products. Both are never mixed or even cooked together simultaneously in the kitchen. Reena, therefore developed a substitute for milk/yogurt in parev milk (made of soybean powder). Even cheese is replaced by parev milk retaining the original flavour. It is difficult even for an Indian to make out the difference in taste.Taste of desserts like ice cream and kulfi made of parev milk is similar to the one made from cow milk. Fried cheese, one of the main constituents in gulab jamuns is also prepared out of parev milk. Israelis love gulab jamuns which they call cheese balls in honey syrup. Parev alternative created wonders and Indian food became much more popular among Israelis. Tandoori chain of Pushkaranas also served Kosher Indian meal for two years to first and business class passengers of EL AL the Israeli national airline.Reena has picked up cooks from places like Hyatt Regency in Delhi and Taj in Bombay. There are about 100 Indians and 150 Israelis on the staff. Visiting Tandoori is an experience in itself. Visitors are welcomed by young Israeli women waitresses/female attendants wearing ethnic Indian suits with long dupattas and bindis on there foreheads. Sporting a big smile on her face, like a good host, glamorous Reena goes to each table to entertain the guests educating them about Indian food and curries, how they are being prepared and how spices are marinated
India’s Ambassador Arun K. Singh to Israel spoke at an International Forum, Tel Aviv University awhile ago and here is an extract:
`One of the first things that strikes a visitor to Israel or for that matter to India is the sense of history and time. The land of Israel is of great antiquity and the source of rich spiritual values for a significant part of humanity. India and Israel are both heirs to great and ancient civilizations characterized by deep wisdom, humanism and philosophical traditions.
The India-Israel relationship is multifaceted and multidimensional. While our two nations are distinguished by different religions and cultures, yet in many ways they have much in common. Both countries emerged from foreign dominations as independent nations around the middle of the last century and embarked on a journey of building modern democratic societies based on representative democracy and freedom. Above all, India and Israel have an abiding commitment to democracy, and peace.
The ties between our two peoples go as far back as the times of the First Temple, when the first Jewish communities settled in India and developed and flourished over the ages. India is one of the few ancient and contemporary countries mentioned in the Bible (along with Persia, China, Egypt and Greece).
There is a spiritual kinship between these civilizations, as well as a historical interaction which is vividly embodied in the presence of Judaism and its adherents in India for over 1600 years. For thousands of Israelis, India has a legendary and mystical image.
The Indian Jewish community has flourished for centuries in peace and harmony, free to follow their way of life without encountering the slightest trace of anti-Semitic feeling. This is in keeping with the long-established and spontaneous tradition of mutual respect and assimilation, which is an integral and vital element of Indian culture and society. Almost all the major religions of the world including Judaism have enriched this great heritage of India. The Indian Jewish community has contributed handsomely to the building of modern India have contributed to enriching Indian culture and ethos. The migration of many members of the community to Israel in recent decades has served to build a strong cultural and emotional bridge between our two countries. Our affinities have been reflected in the esteem in which the Indian intellectual world has held the Judaic and Hebraic heritage. This has been reciprocated in the attention paid to Indian culture and civilization, and to Indology – ancient and modern, by Jewish scholars in the West and in Israel.
In an interview with the journal Jewish Standard in 1930, the great Indian poet and Nobel Prize laureate Rabindranath Tagore recognized the historical logic of Jewish nationalism. He said that:”I regard Jewish nationalism as an effort to preserve and enrich Jewish culture and tradition. In today’s world this programme requires a national home. It also implies appropriate physical surroundings as well as favourable political and economic conditions”.
India and Israel were blessed with visionary leadership in the critical years after independence – leaders like Jawaharlal Nehru and Ben Gurion who built the foundations and institutions of modern, strong and democratic societies. On September 17, 1950, Government of India announced recognition of Israel. Early contacts included correspondence between President Rajendra Prasad and his Israeli counterpart, Chaim Weizman. David Ben Gurion, Israel’s first Prime Minister, held Gandhiji in high esteem and saw him as an inspiration in the fight for freedom. I recall his words, following Mahatma Gandhi’s martyrdom, that “the example of Mahatma Gandhi’s life and teaching will always shine like a beacon to guide men of goodwill everywhere along the path of goodness and human worth”. President K. R. Narayanan, in a communication to President Katsav in April 2002 stated that “the development of India and Israel as vibrant democracies and centres of excellence in science and technology have created a natural partnership for bilateral cooperation and friendshipâ€. One of our former External Affairs Minister, Mr. Jaswant Singh, during his visit to Israel in June 2000 described the relations between India and Israel as “intuitive”.
A large number of ministerial and official visits have taken place, including the visits to India by President Ezer Weizman in January 1997, and PM Sharon in September 2003. These visits have led to several basic inter-governmental agreements for functional cooperation.
India and Israel have been actively involved the global campaign against terrorism and are committed to coordination with each other and other democracies against this menace. A bilateral Joint Working Group on Counter Terrorism, established in 2002, has met regularly enabling the two sides to share experience, information and training techniques to deal with this global threat in a more effective manner.
A very important dimension in the relationship is at the level of people. The high priority that the two governments attach to the further strengthening of this relationship is matched by the deep affection and mutual respect, the two peoples have for each other. The Indian origin community in Israel constitutes an abiding bridge between our two countries even as they enrich the multicultural fabric of Israeli society. Israelis visit India in large numbers and for extended stays. Over 40,000 Israeli tourists visited India last year. Such visits create awareness, empathy and closeness at the people-to-people level while generating a mutual interest in each other’s cultures, history and traditions.
The nearly 70,000 strong Indian origin Jewish community in Israel provides a very important foundation for the relationship.
The Indian Jewish community in Israel is playing an important role in the development of this country. They are considered to be hard-working, skillful, reliable and a responsible community that has contributed not only in agriculture but also as an effective workforce in many of Israel’s industries. A number of members of the community are active in social and political fields.
Indian art, song, dance and therapy are becoming increasingly popular in Israel. A number of yoga classes and ayurvedic clinics have come up. Some municipalities have sponsored the classes in classical Indian dances and musical instruments.
Indian food is also becoming increasing popular in Israel and one can see a number of Indian restaurants in various parts of Israel.
About 40 scholars from all over the world took part in a unique month-long Sanskrit summer convention organized by the Hebrew University in Jerusalem in July 2005 .
The World Hindi Day was celebrated in Israel on January 10, 2006 by the Embassy in association with the South East Asian Department of Tel Aviv University. The celebration drew about 300 India enthusiasts with students at the Tel Aviv University participating in a range of activities in Hindi.
Israeli movie producers have shown an interest in filming movies in Indian locales. Recently, an Indian musical and dance spectacle – “Bharati†– staged in Israel at several venues, was very well received here. In view of the increasing interest the world over, including in Israel, in Indian films, the Embassy organized an Indian film festival in Tel Aviv, Jerusalem and Haifa in January 2006 and was highly successful and attracted huge audience.
The trade relations have grown significantly from less than $ 200 million in 1992 to $ 2.5 billion in 2005. While in the early part of the trade relations, the accent was on diamonds, followed by cooperation in agriculture, today, there is flourishing trade in hi-tech, software, telecommunications, biotechnology, medical equipment, machinery, chemicals and pharmaceuticals, among others. India is now Israel’s ninth largest global trading partner and second largest in Asia. Both sides have agreed to increase their bilateral trade to US $ 5 billion by 2007 and set up a Joint Study Group to examine an Economic Cooperation Agreement between the two countries. Its Report released during the visit of Mr. Kamal Nath, Minister of Commerce and Industry of India provides a firm foundation to boost trade and economic tie and contains an Indo-Israeli Action Plan for Comprehensive Economic Cooperation This Joint Study Group Report spans a vast area covering not only the entire gamut of bilateral trade in goods and services but also the growing cooperation in science and technology, research and development
India and Israel are, each in their own way and in keeping with their cultures, responding to opportunities and challenges of recent times. Let me conclude by saying that the current millennium carries the hope of a new era of global peace and cooperation and India-Israel friendship can contribute to realizing this vision”
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Israel’s a copy-cat! Many Arab countries have a huge Indian influence, although it’s more to do with immigration rather than solid historical ties.
Couldn’t help it, ya they have so much in common, from humiliating Muslims to raping Muslims to killing Muslims. Israel found it’s long lost bigot of a friend.
Country called India didn’t exist till it was created in 1947.
No they don’t, Israel, stop selling weapons to China, India, stop killing the minorities. Unless supporting dictators and murdering minorities is democracy and peace… well I don’t want that shit. Give me the opposite. Guess what’s Israel’s largest export is and guess where they get the stuff from?
That would be north Indian cuisine, north-west to be exact. South Indian cuisine don’t even use any milk products.
Comparing a terrorist with a pacifist is not the best way to go.
Yeeee now you have brown skinned Jews to scrub your toilets and gutters along with those black Jews and the Eastern European Jews.
And the real reason why they are talking, lets kill dem Moooslims. Heee haaa
Other democracies include the Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, China, Russia, hmmm had no idea these were democracies.
Did I leave out Fiji?
[…] Mideast Youth - Thinking AheadArticle: India-Israel friendshipOriginaly Posted On: 2007-04-17 […]
Jina, I really disagree with what you’re doing. The Soviet Union used to take clippings of the bad things that would happen in the USA and then publish only them, telling their people … Look how terrible the USA is! But it was propaganda because they chose only the worst aspects to highlight, and this is what you are doing by attempting to paint Israel in a light that is hostile toward Muslims. You aren’t being fair by focusing only on the conflict.
Israel has excellent relations with many Muslim communities, such as Kurds, Azeris, Ismailis, northern Nigerians, and others. Israel’s dispatched humanitarian and disaster relief teams to Turkey, Indonesia, Kosovo, and other predominantly Muslim communities to show compassion and assistance: They’ve provided free opthamologic care to Chechen orphans, and free cardiac care to many Muslim children, including Palestinians and other Arabs. Israel has countless human rights organizations who look out for the rights of Muslims. Years ago, they built the first battered women’s shelter for Muslim women in the entire Middle East. They’ve built schools for handicapped children in Morocco, set up a children’s community center for rehabilitation in Uzbekistan, and are working with Senegal and Mauritania to develop home-based health care systems. They are trying to do the right thing for Darfurian refugees.
Are all these Muslim lives they’ve helped inconsequential? It’s not like they are cruel to Muslims-at-large but good to others. They are good to Muslims themselves, and it’s not the bare minimum for PR value.
I don’t get what you’re doing in your post above by being yet another dude who likes to give a good swift kick over what’s bad rather than focus on how to nurture the good that’s available. I don’t suggest you totally gloss over the bad stuff, just to shift where you put your efforts. There’s enough focus over what’s wrong (rather than what’s right) in the world, and I don’t see how it’s working to make anything better. Do you?
Who have what in common? Much of the time, it’s anti-Arabness. Even the Arabs within Israel don’t have equal rights.
Well can you tell us what’s so light about this? We get the feeling that we are being ganged upon. Give us one good reason why we shouldn’t.
Most likely these are NGOs, and thus probably aren’t funded by the Israeli government. Why don’t these so-called “human rights” orgs start by ensuring basic human rights for fellow Arabs within Israel?
I am in no way talking about individual Israelis or Indians. I am talking about India and Israel as a system.
I don’t like sugar coating bigotry. This is what this article is all about, sugar coating the real issue by portraying 2 nations as all things holy when they are the opposite.
How about doing the same thing to the Arabs living in Israel and even the occupied territories? How about showing them this compassion the next time the IDF goes to shut down a school so it can be used as a barrack or demolish a house? This is about PR, Israel is trying to build a better image in these places that has a more liberal mindset to persuade them to ignore everything else that happens within Israel.
How many Palestinian children does Israel blind each year? What these Israeli NGOs and individuals do is nothing compared to what the system that is Israel does to the Arabs.
NGOs and individuals also exist in the Middle East who helps out minorities, especially migrant workers who work there. Just because few are benevolent doesn’t mean I shouldn’t over look the fact that migrant workers are treated like slaves, should I? No sugar coating, look at the reality on the ground. Stop using the good Israelis as a counterbalance to the atrocities committed by the system.
How? By throwing them in prison? No thank you.
I never did.
I rarely hear anything bad about Israel in my mainstream media. Even when the bad things happen, they call it collateral damage or say whatever it takes to dehumanize the innocent Arabs who were killed and no word is ever said about these killings.
It does make things better if the issue is brought forward. Issue is never brought forward.
Indo-Israel relation ship was at first a military cooperation, it had nothing to do with it anything else, both have a common enemy. India has an enemy in Pakistan while Israel can’t overlook the only Muslim country that posses nukes and proven to have leaked nuclear information to other countries through its top nuclear scientist. With US becoming buddy buddy with India, the Axis of the future comes into focus.
Talking about India, it claims that it’s advancing, but majority still live below poverty. The ones who got rich off of the current economic boom are the rich themselves. Poor are still poor, minorities are still targeted. Same shit with new friends to further the agenda of the majority. Bahh nothing has changed over the past millennia. Same shit, but with support from tyrants world around this time.
Actually according to Gurcharan Das- former CEO of Procter & Gamble India - “for the past 23 years India’s GDP has grown at an average annual rate of 6%, making it one of the fastest-growing economies in the world. The growth rate may have been lower than that of China’s, but it is double that achieved by the West during the Industrial Revolution. As a result, India’s middle class has more than tripled in size to 250 million people. While the number of rich has certainly grown, about 1% of the poor have crossed the poverty line each year. Pervasive upward mobility may help explain why India is reasonably free of social resentment. Yet if the present rate of growth continues, India should reach Aristotle’s ideal by 2025, when the middle class will be 50% of the population. Middle-class mobility and new meritocratic wealth have made inequality more acceptable. In India today, the rich no longer excite envy but hope and aspiration. ”
India - Israel relationship is multifaceted beyond stategic and intel co-op:
tourism : thousands of Israeli and Indian tourists visit Israel and India.
trade:diamonds,agricultural sector, farm research, science, public health, information technology, telecommunications, and cooperation in space.
Considering that the present government in India consists of a coalition between Marxists and the Congress Party and still persues a friendly policy towards Israel,is significant!!!
As to Pakistan:Pervez Musharraf has met many times with Manmohan Singh and ties between India and Pakistan are improving.And a Pakistan delegation has visited Israel led by Maulana Ajmul Qadri
According to Pak Tribune November 18, 2005 :
When I was in Tel Aviv awhile back,I met some wonderful tourists from India who were touring Israel.I was most impressed by their friendliness and desire to learn more about beautiful Israel !!
Namaste
No. Majority of Indians are not living below poverty line (20% BPL in India). India’s ‘claim’ that it is growing is indeed true (9.2% GDP growth in 2006-07). It’s a trillion dollar economy now. Did any of your Arab shits manage that?
Yes Anurag, many actually did - the Gulf has the fastest growing economy in the world next to China. So, do yourself a favor and drop the nationalist bullshit.
I was exagerating when I said majority live in poverty, I give you that. GDP doesn’t say anything about wealth distribution. Same people who were already rich getting even richer was what I was talking about.
And I am not an Arab, if I compare to mine, You are still shit and read well what Esra’a wrote.
Israel allied with India and India allied with Israel is good for both nations. Foreign policy is as simple as this: countries considering their own selfish interests. This helps India because:
-Israel has legendary intelligence gathering capabilities and techniques, things that can help fight all the terrorism that has infiltrated Indian society.
-Israel possesses an admirably powerful and complete defense record, something that ranges from defending her borders to pursuing attackers to freeing hostage citizens half a continent away. India, which has fought Pakistan AND China, could use Israeli help to secure her borders. India, which has had several high-profile hijackings, could use Israeli help to fight terrorists. India, which has outstanding border issues with several neighbors, could use Israel’s help in intelligently occupying enemy territory.
-Israel is a powerful part of the worldwide diamond industry, India too is a large part of the industry, closer cooperation in this field is natural.
-Israeli defense equipment is some of the best in the world. Indian access is welcomed.
This helps Israel because:
-There are few countries that openly court and develop ties with Israel, as such having another friend in India helps Israel.
-One of Israel’s principle exports is defense equipment, India is the largest market for defense equipment imports.
-India is one of the few countries in the world that has never, NEVER abused and/or attacked Jewish people. Good relations simply follow this line.
-India is quickly growing and presents great opportunity for investment, Israeli companies could easily fill some of these investments.
These are only a couple of reasons why the relationship should and will grow, and to the benefit of both nations.
hahahhahahahaaa…. I couldn’t stop laughing when I read this.
Basically, what Israel has to offer India is more ways to fuck up the 200 million Muslims living there. I see nothing productive out of this collaboration, other then to demonize and humiliate Muslims who for most part are well integrated and living PEACEFULLY with every other religion in India. What, Jews don’t like Muslims being peaceful with other religions? Or am I missing something here.
India sure as hell don’t need Israel’s help to defend it’s borders, the 3 wars against Pakistan, India whooped it’s ass. War with China was a iffy because of the pacifist policies of Nehru and outdated military at that time. During the 1970… India did annex parts of China. India and China are not going to war any time soon. Unless, US drags them into it.
Ohh about diamond, Israel uses slave and child labour in Africa to acquire it’s diamonds, India uses slave and child labour in it’s textile and most other industry to make shit for cheap. These people sure do go hand in had.
… but at the expense of others.
Where the hell did you get the 9.2% number?
Here are some numbers from CIA factbook for year 2006
I believe the ones int he bold are “Arab” countries and they are ahead of India.
Wait a second, “terrorism” in Israel maybe a simple deal of Palestinians verse Zionist Jews, but if you think that terrorism in India is limited to Muslims verse everybody you have a whole other thing coming. India deals with terrorism from Kashmiri separatists who happen to be Muslim, also there are groups who have loose ties to the Pakistani Intelligence/Defense establishment, but that is about it for Muslim terrorists in India. In addition to the above mentioned groups, India deals with Maoists/Naxalites (considered by the PRIME MINISTER as the MOST DANGEROUS GROUPS in India) who happen to be non-Muslim, Eastern Indian separatist factions also non-Muslim, and Tamil Tiger supporters who have recently been getting cracked down on. So if you are of the belief that India ONLY deals with Islamic extremist problems, then you are terribly mis-informed.
As for the war with China, if thats what you want to call it, China kicked India’s ASS. There were several reasons for this, first of all only days before the attack, China had signed a series of agreements claiming friendship with India, as well as India’s blind faith in the international system and the UN. India learned from these lessons, nobody will help you, but you.
Do you even understand the dispute involved in the Sino-Indian border problem(s) that continue into today? China, one of the few if not the only remaining imperialist empire, occupies at minimum TWO COUNTRIES. Tibet and Uygheristan (East Turkistan) are and have been independent states. China’s own “terrorist” problems are limited to Muslim Uyghers’ rightful attempts to free their country from empirical domination. Now, China, which shares NO BORDERS with India, claims, that because the nation of Tibet belongs to China, her boundaries are that which China says they are. Using this argument China claims an entire Indian STATE in addition to one third of Kashmir… When was the last time you heard of Kashmir being Chinese?
Sorry i messed up on the whole quote business
Neil, do you know anything about India? India is not a country with a single ethnic or linguistic or religious group. Each ethnic group that I can name want independence from the centralized corrupt bureaucracy that is India.
Naxalites and Eastern Indians aren’t the only ones want freedom from occupation by the centralized government of India. Yes, occupation. Why should 62 million Tamils live under the rule of the India when you yourself want to stop the occupation of Tibetans and Uyghurs from China when they combined only make up 12 million? Why are you calling the ones in India who wants independence from India terrorists? There are over 1000 ethnic groups in India, large sum of them want out of this forced union that was imposed on them on the eve of “independence”. These minority groups switched one ruler with another ruler, that’s all. Why is Hindi the only official national language other than English when only 30% of them speak it?
Educate yourself first before calling someone else “mis-informedâ€. India is one of the most complicated and ill-informed places on Earth. Israelis who think Indians speak Indian and Pakistanis are Arabs sure as hell don’t have anything to contribute to our society. I am an admirer of Gandhi and Nehru, I want their vision of India. If you don’t know what the fuck that means, go educate yourself about it before you make another post.
Ya, ignore the fact that India started to move it’s army further into what was considered disputed land, but I agree that Mao betrayed Nehru’s trust, even Mao admitted he made a mistake and was sorry for what he had done. And I agree the international community wouldn’t have done anything because they were too busy with the Cuban Missile Crisis when China attacked. China chose a perfect time to attack, can’t disagree with their strategies.
Are you forgetting the parts of China that India annexed because it claimed it was it’s, of course the people living n both of these parts never wanted to be ruled by either India or China. Are you forgetting the fact that India and China made peace and now almost close to resolving this border issue? Or are you stuck in 1962?
Are you forgetting the same thing about India, like how I mentioned before? How about the Indian occupation of Nagas or the Assamese or the… enjoy reading through the list.
Ever since the days Ying Zheng, “China” as you call it tried to unify everyone around it. They managed to do it; Tibet was a pain in the ass because of the location, but for while, Tibet (under the Mongols) did rule over China, the other way around. You say 2 countries, China has 90% population of Han, rest of the population belong to a ethnic minority group who’s country been occupied since the days of the first emperor. When he decided his war to unify all of China under a single rule, many ethnic minorities were slaughtered and their language and their culture disappeared and or assimilate into the Han culture/language. The thousand some odd ethnic groups and linguistic groups were reduced to only 52 now?
This is the same case with India, of course Chanthraguptha and Asoka did good on the unification by slaughtering anyone who refused to be ruled by them, but their decedents and Asoka’s pacifist policies failed miserably and it wasn’t until the British that the unification took place and everyone knows how that happened. Modern India inherited that minus the lots of Muslims.
Kinda like India right? When I say India, I am talking primarily about the Hindi speakers and their expansion and colonialization of the lands of the ethnic minorities.
Kashmir belongs to Kashmiris, did I say anything else about it? Why are you asking irrelevant questions?
My question is, why do you have 2 rules, one for the Indians, and one for the Chinese here?
I am all for giving each minority groups their own nation, this includes Tibetns, Uyghurs, Nagas, Assamese, Tamils, Kashmirs, Buyi, Miao, Hui, Yi what ever fuck you can think of. So I really don’t get what you are saying, because your defence of India is hypocritical. You are making 2 rules here.
Get over it.
PS: Tamil Tigers were funded and trained by the Iron Lady. It was her son who opposed them, he paid for it. US also funded and helped them. 9/11 changed that.
PS number 2: It was the LTTE who prevented a genocide in Sri Lanka.
PS number 3: I hate 2 faced, hypocritical morons.
First, lets be clear on one thing, foreign policy is never even handed and fair. As i said in my first post, and i stand by, foreign policy is about individual countries pursuing their own selfish interests (hate it or love it). This does and always will lead to hypocritical rhetoric because when taking a selfish perspective one looks upon and judges others with different standards. Now, with respect to the many many minorities of India, i find it interesting to see your belief that ALL of them want independence, if that were the case, there would be no India. Because of visionary leaders like Nehru and Gandhi, Indian nationalism has taken root and exists today. I want to point out that Naxalites do not demand independence, rather they demand Maoist Communism, advocating a Marxist Violent Worker’s Revolution.
Regarding your belief that India and China should be judged the same is a little off base. If you’ve been to China you would see that, unlike India, there are absolutely no systems or structures that protect those citizens that are not in the majority. In fact, in China, only the Han are enjoying the many benefits of the growing economy, it is the farmers and the minorities that are suffering. Go to one of the thousands of Chinese construction sites and you’ll see poor minorities working for pennies, just enough money to support their families in the villages. Look across the street at the brand new (government issued) Audi and you’ll see a Han getting in to drive it to his brand new posh apartment. In India, when people don’t like the situation, if they work hard enough and long enough, despite the rampant corruption, someone will listen to them, and things will change. The affirmative action in India is so crazy that they are debating doubling the quotas for minorities to 50% of ALL college seats. 50% of ALL college seats being reserved for approx 30% of the nation. Meanwhile, in the great red dragon, you got a problem? Go put your mouth around a gun, I’ll pull the trigger when i get a spare minute. Don’t get me wrong, there are things that are unfair in India, but India, politically, is better than China.
Regarding the reason for this exchange: Indo-Israeli friendship. I think we can boil it down to two reasons. Israel is by far the most effective nation at fighting Soviet war machines. India by far deploys a majority of Soviet war machines. Who better help improve these machines than those who know and have used the weaknesses of these items. Israel needs friends, Israel has attempted to sow the seeds of friendship with India since at least ‘71. Israel helped Indian soldiers in Kashmir, some have pointed out that Israel identified Pakistan as an enemy after Pakistan provided pilots to help the war effort against them. The Su-30MKI is the perfect example of the Indo-Israeli relationship. The Israeli Airforce has been supper effective at downing Soviet aircraft. Taking a Russian (Soviet lineage) airframe and implementing Israeli technologies with cutting edge Russian technologies (not to mention some French and Indian content) has produced what is widely believed one of the premier 4.5 gen ACs on the planet.
Where did I say “all”? And the majority are in power, they have the guns and the money, minority can’t do shit.
False, now I know you don’t know what you are talking about.
… Actually China do have it, but they don’t practice it, just like India. Try reading the Chinese constitution. Here is a sample.
Chapter 1 - Article 4
I am not going to spend even a second more on an ignoramus like you, go learn little bit about MY people first then come back and debate me.
“… Actually China do have it, but they don’t practice it, just like India.”
-Jina (Web Surgeon)
“In India, when people don’t like the situation, if they work hard enough and long enough, despite the rampant corruption, someone will listen to them, and things will change. The affirmative action in India is so crazy that they are debating doubling the quotas for minorities to 50% of ALL college seats. 50% of ALL college seats being reserved for approx 30% of the nation. Meanwhile, in the great red dragon, you got a problem? Go put your mouth around a gun, I’ll pull the trigger when i get a spare minute. Don’t get me wrong, there are things that are unfair in India, but India, politically, is better than China.”
-Neil
“False, now I know you don’t know what you are talking about.”
-Jina (Web Surgeon)
“The term comes from Naxalbari, a small village in West Bengal, where a section of Communist Party of India (Marxist) (CPI(M)) led by Charu Majumdar and Kanu Sanyal led a violent uprising in 1967, trying to develop a “revolutionary opposition” in opposition to the official CPI(M) leadership. The insurrection started on May 25, 1967 from the village of Naxalbari in the state when a tribal was attacked by local authorities over a land issue. The tribals attacked the opposing landlords and the violence escalated.[2] Majumdar greatly admired Mao Zedong of China and advocated that Indian peasants and lower classes must follow in his footsteps and overthrow the government and upper classes whom he held responsible for their plight.”
-Wikipedia
I’d like to end with this quote:
“If only closed minds came with closed mouths” (in Jina’s case chronically broken keyboards)
“Where did I say “allâ€? And the majority are in power, they have the guns and the money, minority can’t do shit.”
-Jina (Web Surgeon)
When you say majority what do u mean exactly? Ethnic majority? Because India is a vast quota system ensuring ethnic minorities are systemically represented. Ideological majority? Because India is not a single political party country with the leading government being comprised of coalitions of different parties working together towards common goals. Do you mean geographic majority? I dont even know how to address that.
Since when were we talking about this? Stay on track or shut the fuck up. I can bring in new points every post and enhance this neverending bullshit of a post you are trying to make.
If you knew anyting about India, you would know what I am talking about. Since you don’t good bye.
Please source me this quote, no, wiki entry writen by a stranger does not equate to a source unless that wiki entry has a source from a legit source. And you seem to have a serious reading comprehension issues here, the topic is abotu MAJUMDAR, and what HE advocated,NOT what the Nexalites advocated. BTW, ohh the master know it all, how many splinter groups are there among the Nexalites? Name them from state to state and their ideology. If you can’t… please do me a favour and shut the fuck up and go read something about them and then come back and post.
Are you 10?
So far, you have yet to refute any of my points, you just keep on brining new issues with every post. STOP IT.
PS: Haven’t you heard, the author of the post got banned for… look around and find out what happened.
Jina (Web Surgeon),
I would like to say that you’re getting a little heated in this conversation. You’re tossing out a whole bunch of straw man arguments and that doesn’t make much sense from someone trying to stay on topic and telling me to stay on topic. Your last post simply attacks my statements and provides no support for your own, only personal attacks (straw men). You ask if i’m 10, if i am, then you’re acting like the 2 year old.
About staying on topic, i attempted to do that with the last third of my post (remember the topic is Indo-Israeli engagment), after your reply, i defended my actions in two subsequent posts. Then you replied with this post essentially screaming to stay on topic while contributing nothing towards it. Perhaps you should follow your own advice.
“If you knew anyting about India, you would know what I am talking about. Since you don’t good bye.”
The above, if you have any understanding of debate, or argument, is not a viable reply. IT is quite childish in nature… “I know you are but what am i…” Ugh.
Now, on to your little rant about “Nexalites”. Maybe you didn’t read the whole source, what it said was that “MAJUMDAR” was the leader of the NAXALITES, the term NAXALITE comes from the village NAXALbari. Perhaps we’re talking about different groups maybe the “Nexalites” will be India’s NEXt problem. As the leader, he decided the basis for the movement, that is why the article goes into his beliefs because those were adopted as their beliefs.
Now, i have somewhat defended/clarified my position on the points you found problematic. It is your turn to refute them with solid evidence and proof, rather than putting the onus back on me, afterall i did a quick search to verify my words, now its your turn. I think dialogue of this sort CAN BE constructive. I look forward to your reply.
-Neil
Jina
If I am not mistaken you are a Pakistani who wants to balkanize india ala payback for 1971.
Yeah that’s the way buddy keep dreaming and keep seething.
You are mistaken.
It is said that when Adam and Even were dismissed from the life they enjoyed in Eden, they were separated, each of them in a different place in the world, Eve cried for years, she was in India. After 40 years, Eve could go back to Adam, they were forgiven. She combed her longlong hair and walked away. They say all the flavors of India, the colors, the mystical attraction, it all comes from the scent of Eve’s long long hair.
This is just a story, but we cannot deny how peaceful and beautiful India is. A craddle of civilization, home to many contradictory religions and faiths and people. Hospitable to people of the world who strive to step on its mystic land and chant theholy names of their G-d, their deities, follow the footsteps of their spiritual masters, who call for peace from within.
It had been a very smart idea to create a restaurant of indian food with kosher dishes being served.
India as Yoni mentions was one of the first countries to claim their independence. They did not recognize the statehood of Israel at the begining, but gradually via fruitful mediations and efforts the relations formally started in the early 90’s through opening of the Israeli embassy in New Delhi.
The delay opening of Israeli embassy was dueto the continuation of the conflict, but perhaps gradually India came to this conclusion that by denying a country you cannot help either of the sides in a conflict.
Now in Israel you see Palestinian students who have a seat in Indian universities and you see Israelis too. In India you find people of many countires in conflict peacefully travelling and communicating, it is an amzing feature that rarely you see in any Eastern country.
@Jina,
Gandhi and Nehru’s India? The country gives rats ass to what these two bastards wanted. Indians, a fair majority, of them, hate Gandhi and Nehru for all that ill’s that they’ve done to India. A fucktard like you thinks, Naxals demand a seperate country? Try reading some fuckin’ history of the Naxals : Let me help you in here, read : RED SUN - TRAVELS IN THE NAXALITE COUNTRY.
Coming to the issue of minorities : they MUST BEHAVE as minorities, and as a matter of fact, India is a safe heaven for the minorities ; look up for this years : MINORITIES report in different countries. The fact, that the Muslim minority has tried to act as bully to the majority WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. You wanna live in the country, you behave and live according to the Laws of the land. If not, get out of the country! Contrast this with the countries of Muslim world and the Middle East: What do you have except oil? And that too, is mined by the westen companies. Do, the Middle East cares for its Non - Muslim minorities? You champion the cause of Muslim minorities, but; some how forget your own back-yard? What double standards! As Niel stated above : “If only closed minds had closed mouths” And I’ll end up by quoting “Charles Dickens” : “Charity begins at home, and justice begins next door”.
Just returned to remind you of the snake/lizard eating Arabs of the Pre-Islamic Arabia. ( Look up for the great Shah Of Persia : “Yazdgird III” and his letter to the Omar of the Muslim Army )
There was no country called India before, 1947.
Heck, heard about the Indus Valley civilization? Yes, its the ONLY surviving civilization. Sadly, the Egyptian and the Persian were destroyed by Arabs.