London Muslims and non-Muslims: not a big difference
Author: Youssef (Morocco) - April 19, 2007
Foreign Policy and Gallup World Poll published a survey about Britishness and
attitudes towards the state among London Muslims and the British public in general.
It turns out that both share a lot of views and agree on most of the current issues about multiculturalism, integration and identity.
You can read and see the data here
The surprising results of the poll shows us that the supposed clash of cultures between Muslims and non-Muslims isn’t really that big and that it revolves around minor issues (if you can call the veil-issue a minor issue of course).
The violent, little minority of extremists (the right-wing BNP and self-exploding Muslims) are an exception
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That you compare the BNP to islamic militants is discraceful, the BNP dont blow innocent people up.
The B.N.P. do not in fact blow anyone up. It is the Moslems who are doing the killing. The sooner they carry out Hegira from the U.K. the better.
The BNP do speak very often about the “DREAM” of blowing innocent people up - or let’s be more specific, one member noted how he would like to kill people coming out of a mosque on a Friday. If you want me to find this quote, I will and I shall! Do you not see the interviews? Do you not read articles on their website? Seriously, you guys must have BNP on Google Alert so that you can jump to their rescue as soon as someone criticizes them. They are horrific, ill-informed, racist, homophobic, and hateful. That, my friends, is how one describes Islamic militants as well!
Well, before you ask, I took the liberty to find it -
Here
And here
And also here.
So if they are not the same as Islamic militants… maybe they are even worse!
that “beyond the veil” title makes me go ugh, but it’s interesting that muslims have more faith in the government institutions and british folk on average. maybe cause they have experiences with other countries to compare it with but that was the only bit i didn’t expect.
my knowledge about racism in the uk is largely based on irvine welsh books and a couple of documentaries, but unfortunately those stories don’t surprise me at all.
> Green Arrow
I wonder who is doing more killing on per day basis in Iraq. Interesting, soldiers wouldn’t even know why are they there in the first place.
WMD, were never found. Links to Al-Qaeda, never found. Why are they still there ? or were there in the first place ?
Djeez, I just noticed the comments on my own post.
And omg, does the BNP have a BNP-radar?
Anyhow, Esra’a thanks!
Hi Guys,
Let me make it clear. I am totally against the war in Iran. The UK should never have took part in the attack on Iraq and we should leave Iran and Afghanistan alone. Those countries are nothing to do with the UK.
However the UK is something to do with me and there is no way Islam is going to dominate the UK.
Now what about these two articles I wrote over on the Green Arrow about women in Islam. What do you make of them
and
http://isupporttheresistance.blogspot.com/2007/04/some-of-them-are-looking-at-stars.html
And yes. The B.N.P. are everywhere.
Too bad this is not how your countrymen think and too bad they started it. Too bad for whatever might come your way because of this.
Islam doesn’t dominate the UK. Stop deluding yourself.
Shit, shit written by an uneducated monkey.
So you do not throw acid in the face of your women?
You do not have modesty police?
You do not kill people for turning their back on your cult?
Try answering or would you be punished if you were to speak the truth.
Hi Green Arrow,
I think you are mistaking a very small elements of certain extreme cultures and are implying that it’s happening in the name of Islam when it’s actually not. Where in the Quran does it justify any of these inhumane behaviors? Nowhere. Islam in fact is very welcoming of other faiths, and this is emphasized in the Quran. Pay special attention to the 2nd verse and you will see it.
I think you are hateful against Islam and Muslims because you misunderstand the extremism … you confuse it with pure Islam … I am also against radical Muslim extremism but that doesn’t mean I have to rally for Islam to be perished from planet Earth (or the UK in your case.) They don’t represent our faith. They really don’t. What you are exposed to is not the face of actual Islam, where we come from religion is being used as a political tool to enforce certain policies (all of which are hateful against us, they deprive us of our own basic liberties.) So your enemies are our enemies too, do not forget that. Why not unite with fellow Muslims who believe in this as well and try to fight the radical extremism rather than fighting innocent civilians of a particular faith? It’s a big mistake to associate all Muslims with a small fraction of extremists who shouldn’t even be referred to as “Muslims” as they are violating many of Islam’s fundamental beliefs.
I mean, why do you suggest that most Muslims are guilty of this behavior when this is in fact not true? Why do you think Islam is the enemy when these problems are embedded within human nature? If Islam didn’t exist, extremism still would. It’s not the source of most problems and it’s painfully simplistic to assume that.
I live in a Muslim country, I travel extensively within the Muslim world… yet my rights as a woman have been respected for the most part, look at Muslim countries like Tunisia, Morocco, Bahrain, UAE, Qatar, Oman, etc, they are all Muslim nations. Nowhere in any of these countries will you hear of people throwing acid in a woman’s face, so please don’t take one example and imply that the entire religion is like that when it’s not. That’s called dangerous generalizations, and it’s not something you should be misguided into. Please do some research and you will see that the enemy is extremism in all its forms, and certainly not “Islam” as a faith.
But Iran is a Muslim country and they do it there.
Well just go type into google search “Acid AND Islam AND Women”
It may be true that not all Muslims are terrorists but it is certainly true that most terrorists are Muslims.
What did you think of the link to the Muslim woman speaking about oppression I put on my blog?
http://isupporttheresistance.blogspot.com/2007/04/some-of-them-are-looking-at-stars.html
What do you think about the article on the Modesty Police in Iran?
http://isupporttheresistance.blogspot.com/2007/04/operation-cover-up.html
Do you think genital mutilation is a good thing? Or do you agree with one Muslim male I spoke to that I just did not understand Muslim women and then need for them to be “cooled down”?
So? Just because Iran is a Muslim country doesn’t mean it represents the Muslim world. There are many more Muslim countries or countries with huge Muslim populations who don’t do this, and the majority of them disagree with this.
It’s very dangerous when you rely solely on the internet and the mainstream media for “common knowledge” or inaccurate information. Since I live in a Muslim country, I know the reality, and I shouldn’t Google it … Instead of Googling my surroundings, I choose to travel to these Muslim countries in order to understand their experiences first-hand. You can never get the full picture if you rely on the internet or foreign news services and political parties for your information, why not go to these Muslim countries yourself and see how different it is? It will be a pleasant surprise. There are thousands of British people currently living in the Gulf alone, I know some of them have converted to Islam and yet are living average, normal lives. They do nothing but laugh when they go home and read all of the paranoid information regarding Muslims and Islam, because they KNOW the reality, they are living it, and so they feel like Islam is the most misreprested religion in the world.
Genital mutialtion is not a widely accepted thing by the way and is not supported in the Quran, it is in no way a Muslim practice and there are nations in Central Africa who practice this despite them being Christian or members of another faith. It’s something rooted within culture, and it has nothing to do with Islam. This is a false claim and any clownly cleric who supports this is not any more Muslim than what he gives himself credit for. They use Islam as a tool to empower their own selves, and many Muslims consider these people to be enemies of not only Islam but enemies to human rights and individual liberty as well. Extremism is the only thing many media outlets wish to report, and it’s so sad that our religion is suffering as a consequence of that and that we are being blamed for being something we are totally not.
Well for a religion of peace you guys certainly know how to dish out death.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks
Do you deny these events have taken place?
What do you mean “you guys”? Most of us aren’t guilty of any of such crimes. You speak to us as if all of us are doing these things or are justifying it, who is doing that? Most of us certainly aren’t, in the Muslim world.
I don’t deny that any of this takes place, but I do consider ALL of these to be ill-information. These people carrying out such attacks are our enemies too, in fact we face their terrorism more than ANY other country in the world, least of all Britain. Many Muslims go through what you guys claim to go through due to Islam, but at least we know that this isn’t the face of actual Islam. Just like the KKK isn’t the true face of any faith or nation, no matter how much they claim to be. Murder is murder, and terrorism is terrorism, it has no face or religion. It’s carried out by people who can only justify these terror attacks to people who truly don’t understand the faith, which is why they buy it so qiuckly. They in turn blame Islam and not these murders, which is only feeding more terrror from those who claim to be fighting for “Islam.” Your reaction feeds their reactions. One must always be careful on how they condemn such attacks.
Esra’a, this guy is hell bent on adding every link from his site as possible for link building purposes. He’s just advertising his site. Ignore the troll.
Actually I am not Esra and have no idea what Jina is on about. I have enjoyed debating with you and sadly I have come to the conclusion that things have gone too far between Islam and the West and now there can be no living side by side.
I wish you well and applaud your efforts and wish you luck in the future. I hope you do not get caught in the middle.
I will not be responding as I must now work to get the B.N.P. elected so we the true British can reclaim our country.
Thank you Green Arrow. I definitely do not agree with your opinions but at least you’re much more respectful than most who hold the same ideas.