Saudi girls involved with their drivers
I was reading an article in Arab news today that discussed the problems in having drivers in KSA, Some drivers who might be taking advantage and having affairs with young naive girls at a romantic and dreamy age or even lonely women..
Some people blame women for the problem, others blame drivers who are usually low-paid workers living single in the Kingdom for long periods at a time. However, the fault really lies with husbands and parents who put their wives and daughters in situations that are sure to lead to illicit sexual relationships
At the end of the article a social scientist N.Al-Hoshan stated the following;
Al-Hawshan believes that the majority of girls who fall into such relationships are naive and very young. “They are not properly supervised by their parents. The parents trust them too much and this is what leads to these problems,” she said.
“It is time to reconsider whether it would be a good idea to allow women to drive in the Kingdom and stop the need for drivers. People are looking at this issue from a narrow perspective,” said Al-Hawshan, adding that women can drive with their veils as is the case with many Muslim women in the West
I have a few comments I would like to share on this topic:
Any person reading this would say, why should women drive? can we trust them? I know that this is the major fear here in the kingdom. If a woman drives she will be free to go where ever and see who ever she please, and that scares them. It is a power struggle, men love the power they have over women here, they relate it to their masculinity and testosterone somehow, reminds me of the caveman bashing a woman’s head and pulling her from her hair into his cave.
A woman not driving is not the answer here. As we can see, if any individual wanted to commit adultery he or she can by sleeping with the driver, the housemaid, the neighbor, or even have homosexual relationships with classmates and friends.
A good moral upbringing is the best we can do, we should be able to have sex education in schools and be more open in discussing our problems and solving them properly.
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Hi, yes, you are basically right.
I was first struck by the thought that this is really an issue that began more dramatically in the late 1800′s in America with the suffrage movement. And it is still in its infancy, women’s rights. There is no wonder why the Bahai Faith, with its emphasis on equal rights is so hated in the ME and while in the West, people react by yawning. In order to bring everyone along, to make the whole community benefit, there must be consultation about the issues in so many places about things that Westerners have no memory of the struggles to achieve. There is still so much isolation, and powerful interests to block even discussioin of the issues you have raised here.
The tone of your discussion is bringing together the practical reality of the situation with the moral implications. The bottom line is that people with power don’t have to listen, they can just shut their ears. Even I as an American was raised with a similar attitude by my parents. They had all the power. They said , “You must do it our way. No choice. Total unquestioned obedience.” And now I see in comparison with females in SA in the 21st century, I had unbelievable freedom and rights.
Unquestioned obedience is a method of training for prisoners, and for young children, It is not suitable for this time and age of the level of maturity of mankind. This is what attracted me to the Bahais. However belief is more than words. It is above all deeds.
In your situation you are not questioning your faith, but you are questioning the attitude, which, when I read my translation of the Qur’an, has a mixture of both the Parent, and the Advisor. Of course the Advisor is the role of adults, and probably the Qur’an has plenty of passages talking of complete obedience by women, and children to their parents, and by interpretaton to authorities.
As long as the issue of physical security can be brought up, then the issues you are talking about here will not be paid attention to. Something will have to happen, probably that will link physical security of the political system to women’s rights, then there will be real discussion.
I have no idea when and how that will happen. I really get angry about “my” country’s actions in Iraq, but at the same time my Faith tells me that out of this big mess, by President Bush, and even though alot of people suffer and die, eventually something good will come out of it. Even if you believed this, you might still ask “when?” And I would say, “I don’t know.” I believe very firmly it will happen, but I don’t know when.
Your last paragraph is the modern way of thinking of the parents of my students when I was a teacher in Los Angeles. The problem was that they were not united with one another except in this vague way. To achieve results you have to have a physical administrative organization to speak for the group. The larger the group the better. I am sure there are alot of people who feel the same way you do. But until you can organize you will not have any power to affect change, permanent real change.
And of course if I were a selfish powerful Saudi male I would make it as difficult as possible for you to communicate, I would make it as difficult as possible for you to organize. And so this status quo would continue. Can continue, but not forever. But how long? and will the change be a social collapse of some kind, very sudden. surprising, dramatic, and chaotic? GOD only knows. The war in Iraq was kind of sudden and dramatically stupid, but sudden. The changes from this split between Sunni and Shia MALES may mean something will happen in your kingdom.
Good night from Japan.
I wonder if they would describe as naive and confused the girls that would end up engaged to a man 30 or 40 years their senior, or if it just applies to those getting involved with foreign workers from poor countries.
Yeah, in the last article I posted about this, sex education in schools was a solution.. or I wouldn’t say a solution but at least it would help decrease the problem significantly.
Yeah, the attitudes of certain men is just disastrous. My relative is a Saudi, from a very strict family, who is now in a lesbian relationship. She always tells me, “it’s not that I can’t have a man, and it’s not that I don’t want a man, it’s just that I don’t want to feed the arrogance and power they have in this society.” I’m not saying all Saudi lesbians are like this, but I’d say it’s a common attitude.
Edo,
I am not sure what this has to do with anything… plus the struggle between Sunnis and Shiites in the Kingdom is not so huge as it is elsewhere like Iraq or Bahrain, the Shiite population in Saudi is much smaller.
Nadia, most Saudi’s would rather have their young daughters marry a 60 year old man who has several other wives than marrying an educated well off foreigner!!
It is sad
Esra’a, thank you for your comments dear.. about your lesbian friend, I truely understand, especialy when a girl comes from a strict family with men being so dominating.. I remember a time in my life when I wished I was born a boy in this country.. I knew I was stuck so I decided to hate men for a while.. I snapped back to my feminin self ( love being venician)
Men.. you can’t live with them and you can’t live without them!
What wrong with this? Marrying off a young girl to a 60 year old man or a well off foreigner is the same shit.
Why?
You’re definitely not the only one. My neice, a Saudi, always says “if I cut my hair I can do more in this country.”
And that’s so depressing. She’s only 7 and she has these thoughts, I mean if at 7 you realize these restrictions… that’s really just sad in my opinion. At that age one is supposed to be hopeful and ambitious, and here she is wishing she was different just to gain more rights.
Jina I think she means someone who is educated, well off, and closer to your age… rather than someone old, well off, with plenty of wives and not the best education. Marrying the latter is what often happens, even though the women would obviously be much happier (and safer) if they would marry the well educated and younger foreigner. Hell even my parents, whom I consider very liberal, are scared that we will marry “foreigners” and always advise us against it. It’s not the best mentality to have, especially if they reserve the right to pick and choose for you because of some silly tradition.
How about neither? Chance of a girl having a better life with the younger guy maybe higher. I will agree to that, but there is still the chance for him to be just like the older guy if not worse and considering she might not even have the support of her family in a foreign land kinda scares me even more.
And what education are you talking about here?
Ya, my mom always told me not to bring home a black girl or a white girl. When I brought home a Arab girl, she wasn’t pleased at first, but then again she never said I couldn’t bring an Arab girl did she? Fun.
What people should be putting their effort would be on giving the girl the right to choose who she wants to marry. Not let the parents choose. And not let her choose someone after giving her few choices.
There’s a definite trend in conservative societies of prefering to stay with your own kind. If the girl’s desire is to be with the foreigner then it’s not the same shit as being married off. You hear of cases here and there of families of the bride successfully breaking up marriages they don’t approve of whether it’s a family they think is beneath them or because she converted for the marriage to happen or whathaveyou.
Like that poor Yezidi girl in Northern Iraq, most recently.
We could talk about miscegenation and how it was treated in the united states in the early 20th century too, but I was just saying.
The article’s interesting regardless but I could easily see it backfiring and being used as an argument to just keep their daughters at home 24/7.
Jina, what I’m saying is that at least they should have a choice.
And what’s this about you being with Arab girls? You’re supporting terrorists now?
I didn’t see Jina’s post before I wrote that. But yeah the issue for me was they decided the girl was confused when she has an affair with the foreigner, wheras being set up as the third wife by her family is seen as natural.
If a girl has an affair with someone, that’s her freaking business. I see arranged marriages as culturally sanctioned prostitution at first. It may develop into something wonderful later on, but it is still prostitution in the beginning.
Of course they should, but it shouldn’t be between 2 people the parents picked.
Kinda like the Iranian election…. we are a democracy, except, you you you and you can’t run because we don’t agree with your platform. Thank you, we are a democracy weeeeeeeeee.
Ya, I fell for your kind gahh… my mom’s reaction when I said Arab was… ohh shit a Muslim. That was fun.
They would never pick foreigners as a choice, that’s the point. It was never part of tradition to include anyone but your ilk. But they would rather choose an old and already married man than let their daughters marry a foreigner, whom she chose and loves. I think this is what Rasha is trying to say.
A society that’s conservative enough that the parents would pick the groom in the first place would seriously frown upon marrying a foreigner (or someone of a different religion or ethnic group) too though, regardless of their accomplishments, that’s the point.
haha jinx
Esra’a, you got my point.
yeah Jina I meant it is very difficult for a woman here almost impossible to marry a none Saudi. even if that person was extraordinarily charming, bright, successful..etc. I have seen a few girls fall inlove with foreigners and end up with Saudi men who are not even half as good as the other guys. society would not allow it.
A woman from a certain well known tribe can’t even marry a hijazy (saudi) or a saudi (non-common tribe) it is complicated.
This goes back to Jaheliah (ignorance before Islam) it is not in our religion.
The funny thing is that the government has permitted some women to marry none Saudi’s ( not with ease, I must add) those are:
Disabled (physical or mentaly handicapped) women……. good for u
Women doctors………. Hurra
Would love to read some replies on this
have to run..
Helo
Im a Muslim woman foreigner living in KSA. My husband and myself read the article in the papers, with great amusement. It preach the Quran in every aspect of its decision making towards their women. What about the women’s rights, from the Quran? The Prophet was fair and just in treating his women but not the laws of mankind in this country.
I agree. Let the women be veiled. Let the women drive. Open jobs for women, so they can create a sense of belonging in this country for themselves.Protect themselves against the adversity of life, instead of being reliant their entire life to the men in the families…who may not necessary be correct in their preaching.
The issue runs deeper than driving – this country should STOP keeping their women under “veil” and let the true women emerge. And it doesnt have to mean that they are a lesser muslim. Its sad, everwhere is advancing but here. Provide opportunity for the women to be themselves, equality is frown upon, so ok let them breathe.
I say, giving them a cane to walk in their cloud of darkness…and given proper upbringing and education (Islamic way of course) as foundation, insyallah – KSA can be a different country.
Why are female doctors an exception?
Kaw, to answer your Q
In this country female doctors are a no..no.. men think twice before marrying a woman in the medical field because they think that she is:
independant (men hate that)
Open minded ( not all are, but because these women work in a mixed environment where men and women work together, she is considered too open)
It is thought here in KSA that successfull women are bad wives and mothers
I guess they decided to permit women drs to marry non-Saudi’s because they are not considered for marriage in Saudi..
Soo little did they know!
I agree with Rasha – power and independence is not something too many Arab men are fond of because they think she will have the upper hand in the relationship. Actually Fatema Mernissi, a feminist Moroccan writer, talks about this a lot… I recommend you read Scheherezade Goes West. It’s really powerful and is a great addition to the gender discourse in the Arab and Muslim world.
I think I know what you are talking about, my culture don’t even allow us to marry someone from even within our own ethnic group, we have castes and sub-castes within castes. Gahhhh
Only if people would learn to ignore the parts in the Quran that was the direct response to the culture of the time.
Dear All,
I would like to add ” we do not have to blame women only for involvement with dirvers. it is the environment which creates this kind of situations”
Men spend lot of time out of their homes and not giving proper attention to the family. The universal truth is “Women need men and Men need women , it is very natural. only one have to choose the right way to be togather.
Nowadays any peron can involve in this kind of relationship(sexual)
who dont have much to do(no recreation opportunities) Normally parents leave children at home, servants spend more time with children and give more care than parents. Children Feel more love for servants which sometimes result in negative relationships.
a female friend of mine is involved in negative relationship as she is 38 years and is earning for her family .her brothers, father dont want to loose their milking cow. they dont let her marry.
Saudi women should be allowed to marry other muslims as religion allows it.
listen girls remember illicit sex is haram and becoming a lesbian or a gay and liking the same sex is also haram we all know as being muslims what happened to quam mein looth the diciples of prophet looth (p.b.u.h) and marrying a non-muslims is also haram as u no longer remain a muslim. so, whatever you do as a muslim remember that we all are going to die one day and will be held accountable for our deeds in this world by Allah Almighty.
jalal you wrote
How about the parents, society, religious leaders who prevent women from marrying muslim men because of their title, nationality, tribe… etc. They are the ones who push many women in that direction (illicit sex) so I would not blame the girls/women. I blame them. I think they are the ones who will be punished (allah knows better)
salam, im n arab but i could tell u this, and that is that saudis r by far the most ill dignified of arabs,and this shit about saudi women bieng sluts is a load of shit, only them girls that comes from stinking rich snob head fammilies that r connected to the royal familly in some way do shit like that, and that coz there men r bicthes.i have never seen or heard of muslim parents who would neglect there kidz like loaded saudu shit bags would, and all this in a land that is supposed to be the soul of islam
WHAT ALL THE PEAPOLE TELL ABOUT SOUDI GIRLS . DONT DO LIKE THIS SOMEON HAVE SOM BAD MIND AND THAY ARE SIDDING
IN FRONT OF THAIR INTERNET AND WRITTING LOT OF COMMENTS
AGAINST SOUDI FEMALS. IT IS TOO BAD. YOU KNOW IN INDIA.
BEFORE 60 YEARS THAIR WAS ALSO LIKE THIS SOME OF HINDU
GIRLS WARE CLOTHS IN ABOVE BREST IS FORBIDDEN .THAT TIME
THAIR IS SOME CAST DONT WERE ANY THING IN THAIR BODY TO ]
COVER. IF YOU COMPAIR THIS RULE ALHAMDULILLA SOUDI IS
BETTR THAN ANY COUNTREY
ALSO I WAS IN U SA A THERE LOT OF GIRLS DONT WERE THAIR CLOTHS THAY ARE WARE ONLY PANTIES & BRA IT IS TOO BAD
IT IS NOT GOOD FOR AT ALL
OK THEN TALK ABOUT SOUDI ARABIA—YOU KNOW HERE MOST OF
PEAPOLE LIVE LIKE PRISONNER IT IS THE BASIC FRAME FOR
HERE .BUT THIS IS BETTER IF THAY GET FREEDOM YOU CAN SEE
HERE EACH ON ROAD SIGNEL YOU CAN FIND BITCHES.
SO IF DONT TALK ABOUT SOUDI GIRLS THAY ARE TOO SEXY
THAN ATHOUR GIRLS THAY ARE THINKING LIKE THIS
ANYWAY THINK FORWORD GO A HED
POOR MAN
FROM JIDHA
Hi guys,
Well I am not an Arab but I would just like to share my life experience with you people. I am from Pakistan and lived in Europe for quite a long time and there I finished my university from one of the German speaking country of EU. I loved some one so much who was from Arab. She was studying in my university and the first time I encounter her was when we were rushing to Café to break our fast and there we come to know that we belong to same religion. From there it took a start and started dwelling within our hearts. Time was so lovely and full of sensations, you know what!!! My perception about Arab Girls was like they just need freedom and nothing else but I was wrong,,,,,,, she proved her self to be so loving, caring, obedient and ready to give me everything of her own and in return she was getting the same….that’s how my story goes>>>>>>on and on and ooooon TILL…..I come to know that we are striving for nothing actually when we had to discontinue because her parents came to know about our relationship and forced her to come back as soon as possible….she was the only child of her parents so she left me with this confidence and hope that she’ll be able to convince her parents easily and we will Marry>>>>I don’t have words to tell you about those 11 days when I had no contact with her and the 12th day when she told me that she couldn’t convince her mother because I am not Arab and I am Pakistani… I don’t know whether is she living or Dead but m praying for her always, I never heard any thing from her again. I was un able to live abroad after being so upset and made my way back to Pakistan. I still love her and curse this world for playing foul with me. “1” Thing is MUST. I WILL MARRY AN ARAB GIRL.
am a muslim live 14 ugly years in saudia
life miserable n boring,strict fake laws
women in burka,no human rights,child se-x very common
Life is so fucking boring..u go office n caged in fuckn flat
mostly arabs and saudi r gays n homo!
in 2002 15 girls burned alive in makah due to islamic police!
asians treated like criminals n servants,heads r chopped in public without trial!
in 2005 a 16 yr old pak girl raped in holy city madinna!
forginers r treated like slave,asian given low salary
if u single u cant go in many malls..everything ‘mamno’ sepratted
an american escaped from saudia in 70′s hidding inside a box cargo plane
watch movie on his true life ‘Human cargo”
infact saudia is Hell..read reality of saudi http://www.sauduction.com
see sex attack videos on women on http://www.youtube.com
contact me for for anti saudi campaign > basitgee@hotmail.com
Rasha says “A good moral upbringing is the best we can do” and that is the truth. It is the only protection that will be with them at all times and that can not be taken away.
Hassan, I hope you keep your loving memories allways.
Saudi & Arab Girls,
Be honest to your God & yourself…….You can not compare your man to any fucking foreign men, أقول الله يرحمك يامزنه
شين وقوي عين …….. طالعي وجهك أول وريحتك اللي تصرع الحمار ولابعدين تكلمي……
لا والا هالخنيث اللي جايب قصة قريبته السحاقية , أنا أشهد أن أمه جابت خنيث ….
استح على وجهك يا قليل الادب
أنا أحترم اللي يحترم أهله وابناء بلده
I’m gonna throw an interesting twist into this… Back home in Japan, there has been an increased trend of matchmaking and parents arranging marriages for their children, especially amongst the upper middle income families. This was considered the normal way of things before WWII and has lingered on in the background since then and then suddenly- BAM!!! I’M HOOOOMEEE!!! Why, you may ask? Interestingly enough, it seems that young working professionals have spent so much time developing their work skills and have immersed themselves so much into their jobs that things such as dating and meeting someone in hopes of finding a suitable mate to start a life together has fallen well to the left. People who are in this situation seem to be totally at ease with an arranged marriage. There is still a remnant of belief that marriage has nothing to do with love and that love will eventually enter the picture. Also, let me add that current society belief in Japan is that a woman who is not married or engaged by the age of 25 is considered “Christmas Cake”. Christmas cake on the 26th is basically a bargain sale. I really hate that kind of thinking, and I am sure that my Japanese sisters feel the same. Ok… even with arranged marriages, they study a prospect pretty closely. In order of importance- type of work, family line, blood type, financial/credit history, living arrangements, police background check, at a minimum. It’s ok to marry up, but not down. That’s a lot of stress. Also, if a man comes to the parents and asks for the hand of their daughter in marriage and doesn’t get the approval and they marry anyway, it’s the same as being disowned. The parents usually come around when their grandbabies are born. That happened with a few of my friends. Marriage with foreigners is more accepted than in the ME. Hell! Look at me, I’m a product of that! hahaha! Anyway, back here in the ME, it seems that the people I come across who feel marriage to foreigners is acceptable are those who have lived abroad and have immersed themselves in other cultures. But I’ve also come across people who believe that marriage should be only within their own ethnic demographic profile and that “fun” is only reserved when with foreigners on the down low. That’s just weird to me, but considering where I am at, not much I can say or do about it. I do know that men here seem to be insecure, and that anything that threatens their manhood or attracts women away from them is haram in their minds. Anyway, just my 2 fils.
HI , I HAVE BEEN WORKING IN SAUDI FOR ALMOST 3 YRS NOW . THE PERSON I AM WORKING UNDER MR SHAIKH HIS WIFE SADIA WHO IS 35 YRS OF AGE IS FORCING ME TO HAVE SEX WITH HER FOR THE LAST 1 AND HALF YRS . WHEN EVER HER HUSBAND IS OUT , SHE CALLS ME AT HER PLACE AND TELLS ME TO GIVE HER THE SATISFACTION , AS HER HUSBAND DOESNT SATISFY HER WANTS . SOMETIMES SHE ALSO CALLS HER FRIENDS WHO ARE ALSO MARRIED AND ASK ME TO ENTERTAINT THEM . THATS THE reason why i feel that somehow saudi womens are dying for sex
Dying for affection and sex is a form of instant affection. So, basically you are being raped and in a sense extorted (not paying money to her, but giving her what she wants or else she will make trouble). Have you sought advice on how to end this situation? I know that even if she makes trouble, it will also be trouble for her, so maybe you can use that to your advantage. This is all unless you want to.
does anyone else think edo river’s comment was
A) a bit tooooooo long
B) anoooother cheap bahai mission attempt
tsk…. lame.
Everyone speaks from personal experience and reflects on their personal faith. There is nothing wrong with that. The Baha’i faith is one of the most understood faiths out there especially in the Muslim world, I learn a lot from the Baha’i authors and commenters here who are always more than welcome to share their thoughts with us.
Several issues must be noted.
1. Bringing to light these abominations and making statistics out of it. First off it’s bound to happen – if not by Muslims then by non-Muslims. At least these statistics are general enough not to offend or expose specific people. Some complain that it is not right to publish such things, and they are correct to a certain extent. The Prophet (s) did not want to hear the bad things people were doing and individuals are highly discouraged from making their private affairs public, but at the same time these findings are general enough to not damage any one person’s image.
2. Such findings are a blatant and evident proof that Muslims are not doing what they are supposed to. That can be attributed to lack of knowledge, or lack of application of knowledge. If people’s faiths were strong in Allah (swt) then they would fear Him. Evidently, as a collective group, we do not and we do not heed the warnings of our scholars and we imitate the promiscuous western nations in the way we dress, talk and appear on TV (Lebanon and Egypt). For God’s sake, Lebanon is the no.1 plastic surgery capital of the world.
3. The issue on sexual freedom in Islam. Sex should never be a taboo subject in Islam and amongst Muslims. Of course we should not reveal what we do with our respective spouses and should only talk with about sex to educate and inform people. The Arabic word for bed or sireer is related to the Arabic word for secret, or “sirr”. Unfortunately, some people think sexual freedom is the solution. These people are primitive and ignorant. Treating a problem with another problem will never solve anything, it’ll only delay the inevitable – whatever that may be. Already in the west we see what this so called “sexual freedom” has produced: STD’s, rape/inconsual sex, unwanted pregnancies and abortion, broken families, homosexuality and unusual fetishes, lack of committed relationships, so on and so forth.
The bottom line is, these published findings should really be a wake up call for Muslims in Muslim lands. Our governments are messed up and people are quick to blame them, but if you are jobless and broke but want to get married, place your trust in Allah (swt). Marriage is the opposite of promiscuity, it is what keeps communities and whole nations chaste and it is the solution. If you cannot get married, remain patient and steadfast and practice those things, which the Prophet (s) prescribed for us, Insha’Allah.
All brothers and sisters in Islam, Assalam o alaekum, I am not an Arab but a Pakistani educated young man who lives in Saudi Arabia for about 16 years in 70′s and early 80′s while working for a an other Muslim country’ embassy in Jedda and Riyadh. After reading all these comments about Saudi gilrs and boys, I recalled my golden years spent in this wonderfull country. People were simple and conservative and old generation was more traditional than youngers. People use to love the king a lot but it started declining gradually. Younger genaration is little bit of spoiled by oil money but generally ok and the girls-mostly cross bread are great, their beauty can not be explained. Najdi girls are super. I came a croos with different people during my 16 years stay and I miss them a lot. No comparision with Europe, America or Pakistan. That is a different world of it’s own tradition and history. Leave them alone and let them think what they have to do come at par with civilised, advanced and educated nations. All the best to every one I met, saw and lived with. They all are wonderfull and I miss them all.
Hey erra you peopel are just creating more problems no one is ther to find out the solution dont waste time on blaming each other present valuable suggetions so i think we ll be reach to the base of the of the issue if you are doing like this so i think it will go to infinity & there will be no result
Thanks
Among muslims, it is not wrong marrying for love. Even i heard if a marriage is by force that wouldn’t be valid. So what a husband driver, a taxi driver could make a good husband if a girl wishes so. That simple
ok guys and gals
i tell u from experience without any exaggeration
when i used 2 work in da kingdom, i was proposed many times by saudi females and some males—im not gay so i automatically rejected male advances—regarding da females one, i was scared becuz in that country if a foreigner commits adultery with a saudi woman, they chop off their neck and maybe dick—-but i had no option and on several occasions screwed half a dozen saudi women in my office in jeddah—yrs later, while travelling in europe, i came across many saudi females, most of them married but young and beautiful, in london and paris upscale hotels, saloons, restaurants and clubs—over there believe it or not, i had da time of my life. No offense, but im telling da truth though to others it may seem bitter. It was then that i understood how much suppression in saudi arabia forced saudi women, many married, 2 jump into da arms of foreign men to cool off their steam—it want that they were sluts or anything just that they had too much time on their hands and lived purposeless lives despite being very talented, were neglected by their husbands, and just had extreme emotional problems—they needed someone 2 hear them out, listen 2 their pains, comfort them etc
Their hubbies would b out on business meetings making billion dollar deals, gambling,drinking and eating like boars and making out with european hookers. And da plight of middle class and poor saudi women is even worse. At least these rich saudi women while abroad go secretly take lovers and quench their thirst—also, while i used 2 work in da kingdom, many saudi women confided 2 me that they were not happy with their marraiges, that their husbands were extremely jealous and insecure and that they were sex maniacs who preferred anal sex—some even confided that their husbands had hard time getting erection and as a result, they were not sexually satisfied by them—that was becuz the ladies said, their hubbies overeated a lot, were fat, drank 2 much and sedentary.
In any event, this is da reality. i hope some day saudi females realize their dreams and live in a society which truly respects and trusts them.
and o yeh it is pretty much an open secret among many indian, paki, bengali and phillipino ppl i talked with that many of them get sexually involved with the lady or girl of da saudi household which employs them—i quite a few asian bellboys in top london and paris hotels whom i tipped and they would tell me how when they or someone in their family worked in saudi, they would have sexual relationship with da young wife or daughter of da house rite there in da living room—while not all saudi females engage in such acts but a good number of them do out of frustration,despression and despair. just thought u ppl should know that.
Sameer,
Good that you think of the women of your family as well, when you talk about the women of some other countries, women are respectful and you cannot generalize what you have heard.
Saudi wom,en are nice and honorable, and the setting of this issue could be any where in the world including my country and yours.
when da hell did i talk about my family?
do u know how 2 read english?
BTW, im not talking from hearsay, im talking from first hand experience.
sober up lady
Thanks for your comments, but there is no reason for you to be rude.
i aint being rude, but i cant comprehend when someone tries 2 put words in my mouth—it just sucks, plain and simple!!!
Dear All,
Purpose & objective of this blog and our comments should be ‘Constructive’ rather than insulting Saudi Women’s, Saudi Culture and Saudi’s. These social problems are everywhere, not especially in Saudi Arabia.
Its my suggestion that before writing any comment we should put our sister/daughter at that place and then reply or give comments. Comments should be productive, not just criticism and telling own & others ‘stories’. Thank you.
Regards,
Ali
Wow I’m really shocked by some of your comments. I’m a Saudi girl and let me tell you there is a big different between a girl who is well raised and a girl who did lose all her moral due to neglecting from the parents plus having a lack of self esteem. All around the world we do face this kind of incident it is not a special aspect about Saudi girls. This is not about driving although I won’t drive among lots of guys who are hungry for sex. So don’t tell me that this because of the conservative tradition which we have!! Thanks to western culture guys and girls are thinking about sex a lot of times .The conception of getting laid is all over the world in TV, Internet, newspaper, music and movie’s world and even comic books got infected by this. Instead of wasting your time in writing this topic and generalizing a disgraceful incident, letting such a shameful confrontation replies about a whole respective woman in a country like Saudi.
Go help your community Rasha plz do it the right way as an alternative ,we do have other problems that we need to face as providing the help to elderly people or doing some good to the poor or even women who need to get a job !!. Raping, harassment , beating , abortion , disrespecting women , getting a 16 year old loaded and many things are issue all over the world about women .Until 2007 women didn’t take over the white house!! Why!? Is it because America is a conservative country!? so please save your words Saudi women’s haters cuz it is bullshit ..
Hanan, is it so wrong to bring up such matters publicly? Why do you get so defensive if people talk about these things, should we ignore all the bad things that happen around us instead of condemning them? Do you want us to simply deny that these things take place?
Why are people so obsessed with how the world perceives them? Are we supposed to practice self-censorship now in fear of making Saudi women look bad? No, this article was written by a forward-thinking Saudi woman who has nothing but respect for her society. To claim that she’s a “hater” is just ridiculous, and to claim that these problems all stem from “Western culture,” is just as ridiculous. We both know it’s not true. Stop blaming others for our own problems and for our own incompetence.
Rasha is doing an amazing job bringing awareness to many issues happening in Saudi, and she’s doing this out of love for her country and in hopes of a better, progressive future. She’s in no way “a hater.” Of course these problems happen everywhere, but that doesn’t make it okay, and talking about them is a big step forward for us, after many years of not being allowed to because of taboos and censorship. If you continue to ignore them, the way you are seemingly proposing us to do, then they will only get worse.
In any case I applaud Rasha for her courage in taking this big step forward and bringing to light the many issues that matter to all women in the region. I pride myself on knowing such a wonderful, respectful person who has a lot of passion and hope for her country.
Western societies are as free as u like, with divorce lawyers reaping the benefits. 12 yr old kids are the most feared and detested members of our liberal society, and sex is such a blasé thing families make jokes about conquests over the dinner table.. on the other hand, u have oppression that’s so severe, u’d think women were pets rather than human beings..no wonder they look for release, these men that are so determined to keep there woman sheltered from any temptation, but are doing the very opposite from the looks of it.. We should be looking at the societies that have a healthy medium, and attempting to instill this into the more rigid societies from the ground up. Anyone can see that the western model isn’t a shiny beacon for Arabs to aspire to, nor is this rigid Saudi model working. I don’t have the answers, but it’s clearly a double edges sword. And as for the dude who posted on here earlier, SUNIL, get ur ass out of there before they make an ornament out of u dude, that’s some action u don’t want any part of!
Hanan,
First of all, the article was originally written in Arab News newspaper which is a well known English language paper here in K.S.A. I hated how women or at least Saudi women were perceived which made me feel that I am treated as a minor, a child, a retard or even a sex driven creature for being a woman. I pointed out that women should be treated like a human who is equal to man in his humanity.
If I didn’t care about the future of this country, I wouldn’t have bothered. I love this country, I love many of the values we have and some of its traditions.
As my child lays in my arms.. I hold him and hope his days be better than mine or my grandparents…
I see so much prospect for its people.. I believe that we the educated are very fortunate to be in such positions and we ought to give back to our country .. to make it better (NOT WESTERN). We are part of it (MEMBERS), it is our duty to make it better if not for our generation then maybe for our children inshallah.
There are certain values that are international (not only western) that every culture can benefit from and that is what I aim for.
Now, in bringing up some -ves in my country doesn’t mean that I am showing any kind of disrespect or hate, rather it is for one to address the problems we have and find solutions hopefully.
Do I think the western society is a perfect one? hell no!! but I believe they have the honesty and courage to discuss their problems and solve them more openly unlike us who are too sensitive and become defensive at the smallest of criticism! That’s why we do not progress..and we will never if we keep hiding our faults and deceiving our selves into thinking that we are the perfect society! For God’s sake GROW UP..
About the other problems you pointed out, such as charity.. helping others.. and many other constructive matters.. well I do address them in an all Saudi community ..
So you really don’t know anything about me.. stop taking things personally and stop bashing people you don’t know a thing about!!
Thank you Esra’a for standing up for me.. my dear.. likewise ..
I am so proud of you.
Hi, everyone
I would like to say just, y all people are blaming the saudi girls only? are all of you not looking the other countries? are there is not existance of these kinds of sex? are only Saudi girls doing such evils in the world? Only in the few numbers of such kind of activities no of you can comment bad to all the society. Saudi girls are really caring, loving, intelligent and having all qualities which the girls of all the world having.
I got that most of the people commenting like these want to let the saudi girls out and be open for the all. But this is not allowed in Islam and in Saudi law. Sure there are such aspects in all societies. Sex feelings is by nature fixed in all the genders. Why you people only hit listing the Saudi ladies/girls.?
Why you people not thinking and having a look at the system of bf and gf which is going on most of the parts of the world where the bf and gf having full sex without getting marry. Many of them having many kids before getting marry? Is that stupidity and devilness all of you saw here in Saudi arabia? or in saudi girls?
So please dont comments only for the Saudi girls. I am also not Arab but I love the saudi girls and i would prefer to marry a Saudi girl if Allah provide me such a chance..
Do any of you can think or even imagine to get marry with a girl who is fucked by many males? A girl who was with her boyfriend for the years time and with ex and lablablab? I dont think so. No one would like to get marry such kind of girl.
Do you think that can you get marry with a virgin girl from the west? or most of the parts of asian and rest of the world? I think its very difficult now a days to find such kind a girl , but I assure you that here in Saudi Arabia more or less 95% girls will be virgin, (complete virgin)
Just have a look on the all the aspects, dont look at the only picture of the evils. Sure there are some aspects but in every society there are more than here .
Hi “stupid comments,” thanks a lot for missing the entire point of the post and the idea behind half of the comments here, and for basically repeating silly arguments that have already been refuted.
I wish her very good luck.
At least some of this attitude has to be about “breeding control” as in: What is advatageous for families of the man and the woman? What effect on the clan/tribe? And, lastly, how well can they get along in a conservative/repressive society? Sex only counts as “bad” if you get caught….and, of course, the feeling/desire for sex is always there because we’re all human…and curious about what it would be like with someone of a different culture. I think, actually, sex is fun and is even more fun with someone else, not just with ones self. Marriage and family are much more important and should be approached with much more thought and planning. Both things can be successful (sexual freedom and a great marriage) if one is careful and plays by the rules.
Stupid comments, I somehow missed one of your ridiculous comments above:
What a silly comment to make. Because it’s okay for guys like you to stick their dicks in anything that moves, but God forbid a woman has sex before marriage – suddenly no one wants her.
I loathe these double standards.
If the only reason you want to marry a Saudi woman is because of her virginity, then you’re a fool and quite frankly I really do pity you.
I am sorry, but your comments simply anger me.
Esra’a
Perhaps Rasha could explain how she felt about this article and comment on that herself and show in the same post her motif, as well as reflecting the article or a part of it. That way Hannan, as another woman- representative of her society could see what Rasha was trying to convey. Rasha later in her post replying to Hannan has clearly mentioned her intentions, and you are very right about censureship not being the way to deal with our problems.
I am very pleased to read the posts of two Suadi women like Hannan and Rasha, and I hope to read more of their posts and comments
Salaam to Women of Saudi Arabia, from Iran, From MideastYouth
Baby Headlines made to sell!!
If this head line was not that strange to our community this article in this certain newspaper won’t sell ..I’m sorry but simply this is crap I mean the article and to see what you really think I’m sorry if I said something not appropriate to you but it just irritate me how the world view Saudi girls and this post believe me helped this to be stereotyping Saudi girl !
I’m not avoiding our problems but this certain one is not the definition of Saudi girl’s problems ..! seriously did some one wrote some thing good about us!! Is it all about bad reputation surrounding us ..!!
I don’t drive and I’m sure I don’t want my sisters and friend to do that cuz it is not safe guys didn’t get adjusted to this case first we gotta educate them about it and how it is okay and put a very strict laws of driving then we go to the next step and drive
,but still this is not an issue here I don’t care about driving cuz I’m after bigger problems ..!
! Rasha wanna know our real problems see how divorced and widow women live!
I do agree that we don’t have a full individuality without the men which some thing personally I hate cuz there is simple things we need to do but we can’t.. I’m sure that they wanna provide a secure environment around us as a women but this is turning to be very dominating.. so I’m full aware of our problems and our society is very difficult cuz it is depending on tribe and tradition plus Islamic rules so each girl’s life is different than the other .. some family are open minded other are normal and strict family !
As all the world goes.Family is the key to your behavior.
of course with the outstanding work of pervert around the global to make our world sicker than ever ..!!
Esra, behave ur self and dont try to become an administrator of this site, and dont hit up here. Just try to understand the fact rather than giving ur foolish comments.
Stupid comments, first allow me to congratulate you on such a fitting title for your comments here, and secondly allow me to share with you the news that I am in fact the admin of this website, what does that have to do with the post or my disgust at your pervertedness?
Why are you even here?
Go look for Saudi virgins! And after you’ve screwed them all, refuse to marry them, like so many men of your nature do. Seriously, you are extremely disturbing.
Hanan, with all due respect you seem to know nothing at all about Rasha. How do you know she hasn’t directly experienced many of the things you listed? Secondly, concerning this comment:
Why don’t you fulfill this job then? Must you wait for everyone else to do it for you? Give us something good to talk about, and we will! Until then, fix your problems and stop denying them. Good news is something earned, not feigned for the sake of a pitiful goal like “having a good reputation.” Give people a reason to be hopeful and they will be, don’t complain and pretend as if none of these problems are taking place in your society, they will only make things worse.
اختي اسراء يبدو لي عدم استيعابك لكل ردودي برمتها ..
يا اختي انا لست ضدك ولست ضد رشا انما ضد هذه الموجة المسيئة للمرأة السعودية خاصة وللمرأة بشكل عام ..
نحن لسنا بحاجة الى تلك المواضيع لإثارة بلبلة حول موضوع القيادة ,, هناك امور من الأولى الإلتفات لها في ظل الظروف حولنا ,,
وللاسف الشديد شبابنا رعاهم الله لم يقوموا بأي خطوة واضحة في تصحيح الصورة السيئة بل زادوا الطين بلة بتلك المقاطع المنتشرة في ارجاء اشهر المواقع اللتي توفر خدمة رفع الفيديو ..
أصبح اسم المرأة السعودية مرتبطا ارتباط وثيقا بالعلاقات الجنسية فأصبحت في مصاف الكلمات المهينة اقرب منها الى امرأة ..
واحزنني ظهور المرأة لأول مرة في تظاهر من اجل قيادة السيارة بينما مشاكلنا الأخرى وضعت على الرف حتى نماشي المجتمعات الاخرى بدون اي مراعاة لوضع الفتاة السعودية ..
العنف الاسري والتحرش بالمحارم هذي من ضمن الامور التي كنت اود انهم يلتفتوا لها, وقبيل فترة قصيرة تم عمل اجراء مناسب وانشاء مركز لتلقي الشكاوي المتعلقة بهاتين المشكلتين..
وسكن المرأة في الفندق بدون الحاجة لتعريف الرجل ايضا عولجت المسألة رغم اعتراض المجتمع عليها ..
المطلقة والأرملة تعاني الأمرين ,, بسبب عدم وجود رجل في حياتها وثمة خلل في الأنظمة القانونية وذلك لأنها تبع لرغبة الشعب و القبائل ,,
وبالنسبة لتصحيح تلك الصورة السيئة انا فعلا قيد العمل على هذا الأمر وعندما كتبت في قوقل المرأة السعودية بالانجليزية وجدت الرابط لهذه المقالة ..
وبالنسبة للسبب المثير للشفقة برأيك ,, فهو عماد التعامل مع المراة هو سمعتها فاذا لم تحافظي على سمعتها من تلك المواضيع الجارحة والمهينة لها فقد فُقد ما نسعى إليه ألا وهو ايجاد الاحترام لها وحفظها من كل قول ولفظ يجرحها..
كمرأة سعودية لست في صدد تبعية المجتمع الغربي ففيه من السوء ما ينضح في العالم بل كفتيات سعوديات نحن في صدد تكوين تبعية ذاتية واثبات لوجودها وان الحجاب لا ينفي شخصياتنا ويمحيها بل هي موجودة وخير الأمثلة على ذلك سيدات الاعمال السعوديات والطبيبات البارعات في عملهم واخص بالذكر الطبيبة السعودية سامية العمودي الله يرفع من مقدارها ويعز قدرها ..
اسراء/
(وَلَو كُنتَ فَظًّا غَلِيظَ القَلبِ لاَنفَضُّواْ مِن حَولِكَ)
Hanan,
I believe we are on the same boat my dear!
For me,
Driving is a secondary matter.. There are much more important and pressing issues to tackle here.. I agree 100%
I have always stated in discussions that it is not my objective to drive, rather I would like to be treated as a human with equal rights to man.
As for driving, some see its importance because of what will come afterwards. Many women who are fighting for this are planning ahead my dear. It is not about sitting in the front seat with a steering wheel in your hands.. rather it is the regulations and rights that will come with freedom in women driving.
My priority is for a woman to have a respectful life without the need of a male GUARDIAN in every decision of her life!!
And for women to have equal rights when it comes to their children. I ask the system to understand the change that has happened in society and how women now play an active role..
For God’s sake, when I talk to an officer in the street.. he doesn’t even look at me! His reply would be.. I don’t talk to women while looking the other way!! As if I were an insect!
THIS HAS TO CHANGE!!
I have seen beaten women with my own eyes who would go back to their husbands in fear of them taking the children! The law is with men!
How about the tens of stories we know about relatives divorcing a woman from her husband!! because they feel the families are not suitable!! Where is the law that protects these women and their children from such ignorance..
How about divorced ladies.. and how society treats and looks at them..
A woman is handed from man to man.. like an object in so many cases.
How about education and work? I have mentioned this many times before in other blogs. a woman can’t even get a higher degree or work without her guardian’s consent!
There are so many issues to tackle as I mentioned and many laws to be changed for women to reach an independence.
I also advocate the need for education and awareness for us to change from within.
Stupid commands,
You can’t just say any thing directed to Esra’a just like that, because she has her very wide range of friends she made with her very genuine efforts to bring all of us together here, she is the admin who does not delete a stupid comment….
Hannan,
What you say about the problems there in Saudi really makes sense, more or less we all hae these kinds of problems in the ME, as a woman when I hear about them, I feel ….if there was a way we could change it, at least a bit as Nissim says, if we want a high speed train make a U-turn we should plan beforehand and make it very gradual.
Hannan, I just want to tell you we are all with you and Rasha, you are not alone.
I support reflecting the problems with out filters, the wave of awareness in itself helps the progress our societies, in a way to prevent the harms and promote the good things happening.
I know the titles could be disturbing, but that’s how a newspaper sells as you say, or some times the writer is trying to atract the attention of the reader, so that the reader would sure read the article.
i think the generation of saudi arabia is changing so the need the drivers for their houses if the family gradian had the knowledge of his house how his family in disipline he can manage his family well.
Every muslim must trust in his daughter and wife>>>>
Wahabi thinking and darkness still on head some of “shekh of lizareds”
Freedom for women
hey fellaz!
Guess a dirty hindu had to show off in here as well.
SUNIL THAKUR Wrote:
HI , I HAVE BEEN WORKING IN SAUDI FOR ALMOST 3 YRS NOW . THE PERSON I AM WORKING UNDER MR SHAIKH HIS WIFE SADIA WHO IS 35 YRS OF AGE IS FORCING ME TO HAVE SEX WITH HER FOR THE LAST 1 AND HALF YRS . WHEN EVER HER HUSBAND IS OUT , SHE CALLS ME AT HER PLACE AND TELLS ME TO GIVE HER THE SATISFACTION , AS HER HUSBAND DOESNT SATISFY HER WANTS . SOMETIMES SHE ALSO CALLS HER FRIENDS WHO ARE ALSO MARRIED AND ASK ME TO ENTERTAINT THEM . THATS THE reason why i feel that somehow saudi womens are dying for sex
If somebody might go ahead n ask these cheap mothafukkaz try not to get involved in othaz businesss.No normal women would even pass by a HINDU.
As a society Saudi’s are not alone being affected by changes happenin worldwide. world being a global village has been advancin rapidly towards the day of judgement. itys our destiny brothers and sisters. Just stick to what ever we’ve been taught by Quran n sunnah . Quran and Sunnah neva mentioned anythin like imposin laws against marryin other than ur nationality. Mohammed Salat u wassalam married Sayyeda Maria Qubtiya ( An egyptian) and on the conquest of Makkah Holy prophet Salat u Wassalam stated that ( from this day onwards we are all equal)
Seeing your wife, daughter or sister as a culprit is very easy but try to figure out once how would you feel while reading these lines on internet that a Saudi girls caught with her driver? Let them choose for themselves any non saudi , non arab even . Arab aint got nothin special. Idea is to get her comfort and a feelin that her dad n brothers care abt her and that they are not going to restrict her to some old Saudi. I’m not sayin Saudi youth are not capable of copin with the situation, they are, once they understand and accept what reality is. Girls on their part should keep on educating parents ( mom or dad who ever you are closer to) . We are muslims, n it demands a lil to prove being a muslim by faith , not by name or birth. Dare to follow the path of Quran n sunnah and you would be the righteous among all.
Wallah o Aalim.
i believe things are changing in saudi arabia alot to the better .they change fast and that is true .
hindus christians jews and shiit people . why r u so hateful? that damn sure means we r way way way way way more better than u and u like us but u cant be like us so u try to humiliate us or disrespect us, guess what it doesnt matter and it wont matter but for one thing and that is we will get better and better every day . things are getting better daily . thanks for all the muslims in here . keep up the good work and may allah bless u all.
Very well wrote Mr Majed, and that is true, non religeous people can’t see that improvements and modernity in us
I’m not sure why you guys are linking religion and “disrespect” with this article which points out certain societal problems within the country. Are you saying that no one has any right to criticize any social problems in Saudi Arabia? Just so you can look good in everyone’s eyes despite some major problems? If so, then that is preposterous.
Rasha is a Saudi national who loves her country. She realizes some of its problems and chooses to write about them, why is that wrong?
Just because you improved (no one is denying that you did) does not give you the right to stop other people from criticizing whatever they wish to criticize within their country.
Most people who criticize their countries do it out of patriotism, not hatred. They are writing about these things because they are legitimately concerned about the future of their nation, putting issues like this on the table is crucial.
If you are going to blindly assume that your country is perfect and that we should just accept all of its problems, then you probably don’t have much respect for your country and you’re only doing this for the sake of cheap nationalism (promoting your country by hiding and justifying its problems for fear of people having a slightly “negative” view of what goes on there.)
I really hope that your next comment will be more relevant to the actual topic, let us know how we can solve such issues, instead of stopping us from talking about it which solves nothing and only adds to your country’s problems.
I fail to see how religion has anything at all to do with this, and how a “non religious” person will be viewing these problems any differently than a religious person.
I can see several have been acting/writing defensively upon reading this blog. Just thought I should point out that the actual article was written in ARABNEWS which is a local (Saudi)English language newspaper known to be blunt and controversial at times.
These are facts. We are not a perfect country.. there is no perfect country in this world/life.
Things just have to change around here.. The world around us is changing.. it is never dormant. We are exposed to change whether we like it or not, whether we accept or resist.
Resisting will only delay change at this time but it might not prevent it. Our social structure has been on pause for a very long time and because of that we are starting to feel it crumble. We as a society will collapse unless we become more transparent with our selves.. we must create change that suits us and learn from past experiences.
A woman not being able to choose her husband or vice versa will create such problems as the one mentioned in the post.
THIS IS WHAT WE AS A SOCIETY CREATED.. and WE AS A SOCIETY MUST CLEAN THE MESS WE CREATED.
Just don’t get me started about such issues.. I get so fumed up from the stories I hear.. people divorcing married couples without their consent.. and crazy things as such..
I WAS WORKING IN SAUDI ARABIA AS A SECETARY OF AN ARAB. I WAS VISITED THE HOUSE OF MY SPONSER SEVERAL TIMES. SOME TIMES MY SPONSER WAS OUT FROM THE HOUSE ALMOST ONE MONTH.THAT TIME I WAS TAKING CARE OF THEIR HOUSE AND EVERYTHING. EVENTHOUGH I DID NOT SEE THE FACE OF MY SPONSERS WIFE. WHILE SHE TALKS JUST BEHIND FROM THE DOOR. SHE IS MORE SINCIRE TO HER HUSBAND. AND I LIKE SAUDIS. MOST OF THE HOUSE DRIVERS AND HOUSE BOYS MAKING STORIES IN ARAB COUNTRIES THAT THEY HAVE SEXUAL RELATION WITH THE ARAB GIRLS.BUT I AM BELEVING THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE. THEY ARE EXAGIRATING AND IMAGING. THAT IS ALL… IT IS NOT GOOD TO MAKE A STORY ABOUT A WOMEN WETHER SHE IS ARAB OR NON ARAB
ABDUL RASHEED NIZAM Wrote:
I WAS WORKING IN SAUDI ARABIA AS A SECETARY OF AN ARAB. I WAS VISITED THE HOUSE OF MY SPONSER SEVERAL TIMES. SOME TIMES MY SPONSER WAS OUT FROM THE HOUSE ALMOST ONE MONTH.THAT TIME I WAS TAKING CARE OF THEIR HOUSE AND EVERYTHING. EVENTHOUGH I DID NOT SEE THE FACE OF MY SPONSERS WIFE. WHILE SHE TALKS JUST BEHIND FROM THE DOOR. SHE IS MORE SINCIRE TO HER HUSBAND. AND I LIKE SAUDIS. MOST OF THE HOUSE DRIVERS AND HOUSE BOYS MAKING STORIES IN ARAB COUNTRIES THAT THEY HAVE SEXUAL RELATION WITH THE ARAB GIRLS.BUT I AM BELEVING THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE. THEY ARE EXAGIRATING AND IMAGING. THAT IS ALL… IT IS NOT GOOD TO MAKE A STORY ABOUT A WOMEN WETHER SHE IS ARAB OR NON ARAB.
MAY ALLAH BLESS WE ALL
ar_nizam@yahoo.com, ar_nizam@hotmail.com
THE RELIGION MUST COME FROM THE HEART. THAT MUST BE THE CONTRACT BETWEEN OUR HEART AND ALMIGHTY ALLAH. ……….. SOME SAUDI ARABIANS ARE DOING BAD… BUT THAT IS NOT THE SCALE TO ALL THE SAUDIES….. I AM AN INDIAN.. NOW I AM LEAVING IN MOZAMBIQUE… THE EUROPIAN CULTURE SPOILED THIS COUNTRY. THEN ALSO LOT OF MUSLIMS ARE PRACTISING ISLAM.. AND DOING SALAH AND FASTING. AND THIS PEOPLE ARE VERY POOR… THEY ARE SURVIVING WITH AGRICULTURE AND FOREIGHN AID. NOW SOME PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING KUWAITIEES ARE NOT GOOD. BUT THE BIGGEST SCHOOL HERE IN THIS VILLAGE( NACALA) HAS BEEN DONATED BY A KUWAITEE AND STILL RUNNING VERY WELL WITH HIS FUND. THAT IS THE ONLY ONE SCHOOL HERE.
GOOD AND BAD PEOPLE ARE EVERY WHERE IN THIS WORLD. BUT WE ARE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT THE BAD PEOPLE.
COME TO INDIA … WE CAN SEE THE ROBBERS, THIEFS, PICK POCKETERS… BUT SAUDIES ARE NOT CALLING WE INDIANS ARE BAD. AND LOT OF INDIANS ARE CHEATING ARABS … THEN ALSO STILL THEY ARE EMPLOYING INDIANS AND PAKISTANIES
SO I HAVE A REQUEST TO ALL OUR MUSLIMS FRIENDS…. SAUDI IS THE HOLLY LAND…. THAT IS THE PLACE OF OUR PROPHET (S.A.W) THIS OUR DUTY TO PROTECT THE SAUDI ARABIA AND SAUDIES. WE SHOULD NOT TELL BAD ABOUT THAT PEOPLE. BECAUSE THEY ARE DOING LOT OF GOOD THINGS TO INDIANS, PAKISTANIES, BANGLADESH,INDONESIANS…ETC.. AND MOST OF OUR BROTHERS ARE SURVIVING WITH ARAB COUNTRIES.
WHILE I WAS IN KSA ONE GUY ASKED ME .. THAT WHETHER THEIR IS ELECTRICITY IN INDIA.
AND LOT OF PEOPLE TOLD ME YOU INDIANS ARE HERE BECAUSE THEIR IS NOTHING TO EAT IN INDIA… BUT THOSE PEOPLE THEY DONT KNOW ABOUT INDIA THAT IS WHY THEY ARE COMMENTING LIKE THAT…. NEW GENERATION IS NOT LIKE THAT….
AFTER ALL …. WE MUSLIM HAVE TO UNITE… DONT LOOK SHIA OR SUNNI… IF WE CANT SUPPORT OTHERS WITH MONEY JUST SUPPORT WITH WORD.. DONT SPOIL OTHERS WITH OUR BAD TUNG… THE TUNG IS THE WORST VEAPON IN THIS WORLD….
AND PLEASE DONT BLAME HINDUS IN INDIA
BECAUSE
THEY WHO ADOPT ISLAM IN INDIA AND BECAME THE SECOND IN THE WORLD(140 MILLIONS MUSLIMS IN INDIA)
AND THEY WHO TRADE WITH ARABS SINCE BC
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really strange website and cooments,iam pakistani born and raised in saudi arabia ,lvieng here for last 30 years,traveld all over world,yes saudia have problems like any other country int he world,which country dont have?and with this all talk about saudi women,and personal attacks on them,its really sick and low class trash.there are good and bad people in every part of the world.iam not gonig to say any thign more on this topic.
as for saudi marry non saudi,and rest of gulf,one ahve to put this in mind,first of all saudis and other peopel of gulf are very ,very less in numbers,and they have a large numbers of forignrers working here,if they allwo to marry,buy propert and start there own work,every one,you know what will happen?
THE LOCALS WILL TRUN INTO FORIGNERS in there own land,i agree in many points with abu hasan,just elave them alone,they know batetr what to do with them self.to many cooks spoil the dinner.ya some locals have that SUPERIOR SENDROM OR BIG HEAND,that they are batetr from eevry one esle,well x its human nature,they got holyland and oil..people from all over world coem here to work so……….hope god guide them to right path and save them.rememeber few eyars ago there was nothing here,and this changed so fast here,with all the oil money.some time i get a feel a lot fo people of gulf are worried and afraid,of loseing there culture,uniqueness,great way of life,values.
and sorry for rong spelling i type very fast,becasue iam reading and wrtieng this at work,dont want to get fired,LOL!
Mr. Cool man comments are very right, his observation is true. Saudi girls/ women are the same as all others in the world. They all have three OOO and if the third O (mouth) could be kept close, they all are wonderful. Especially Saudi girls who are educated, confident, tall , slim,mostly cross breed by all nationalities, well preserved, pure, natural( I mean virgin-although there is a joke about this) oh my God, what ells, don’t remind me, my 15 years of prime time of young age, no doubt Saudi girls are above all- super model creature of almighty God. Leave them alone and let’s pray for them so their men-fathers, brothers and husband treat them humanly and trust them accordingly. Saudi men should not go and look for other girls. Or allow Saudi girls to marry with other nice people of their choice from different nationalities, It’s very Islamic and natural. Let’s pray again and again for all of them for the good. All the best. ALI – ready to be’a aljamal in Orlando, USA- Feel free to call 407-729-3983
You are absolutely right Mr Ali
We are praying for their more betterness
perfect virginity is der
salam
What a despicable, sexist comment.
Have some respect for women, you arrogant chauvinists!
salam.you all dont get it isnt it.what does womans right have to do with woman driving its insensible to say that if a woman is not allowed to drive means she is not given equal rights to man, then i am sure tomorrow so called liberated minds will say why do woman have to suffer pain while giving birth to a child why doesn’t a man suffer the pain and they will say we are not getting equal rights.
now coming back to the topic. we muslims should see if woman driving can have any effect on her modesty, and we can take help from the example of those country’s where woman are allowed to drive. and we hear so many incidents happen to woman driver there you know what i mean.
Uh, you mean everywhere else in the world, including the rest of the Arab and Muslim world, where women driving is considered perfectly normal and also key to the progression of women in societies (given equal opportunities within jobs, studies, and within the law.)
It’s funny how even though like 80% of your women want equal rights, they are laughed at and considered conpsiracist and extremely “liberal-minded!” Like it is a crime against human nature to want to be respected in a society where women are stepped on and pitied.
I find it astounding that arrogant men feel the need to make all societal decisions and somehow all women agree with their retardation. Elsewhere in the Gulf we had similar problems, until strong women began influencing changes. In Kuwait you see this happening until today, women demanding more and more rights, and now they are a lot more respected and have way more opportunities than they did 10 years ago. In Saudi Arabia this is not the case, not yet, but it will happen, whether arrogant and selfish men like it or not.
Women are not as stupid as you make them out to be. If women want such rights, they will fight for it, and you will all have to shut up and grant them these rights for your society to be considered normal by the rest of the real world.
No, only illogical men like yourself would make such a retarded assumption.
dear esra from bahrain you are such a small kid i will ask you to grow up.woman driving is an insult to a woman and i am sure if you are driving then i pity on you for the insulting your self. woman should drive only where woman are found they should not drive in those places where she can mingle with opposite sex caze if she does then she should be ready to loose her virginity.i dont know what is important to you,driving or being respectful(you know what i mean) but i know that those girls who follow prophet mohammed(p.b.u.h) and his wife’s give more importance to self respect and there modesty, they dont care about driving because they can live without it but they cant live without self respect.
and the girls who are for this topic are mostly inspired by so called open and liberated minded people who think a woman is only for mans amusement but for woman who are inspired by prophets wife they don’t give a dam to this topic.
and esra if u drive then one day look around you and see how many man are looking at you with a desire to have you on there bed for a night not to love you but to enjoy you.esra don’t get me wrong but this is the way it is. no man at this age is an angel.please think about this and you will come to know why i am against woman driving and i repeat i am not against woman driving caze its not her right but i am worried for her modesty when she starts to drive caze in those country where they drive they are taken as piece of enjoyment and you will see that many woman in these country’s don’t have a good relationship with there husbands and divorce rates are so high.just think you love driving or your husband.anyhow i hope you understand and don’t be ignorant.
take care
fee aman ALLAH
(FEAR ALLAH FOR THAT DAY WHEN YOU WILL BE ASKED FOR YOU ACTS)
salam
No, only illogical men like yourself would make such a retarded assumption.
actually not me i have got this from those people who you are inspired from.they have started to talk upon this issue
take care
bye
How are modesty and driving a car related? Any immodest behavior can be perpetrated without a car anyway (wearing trashy clothing, flirting with everyone in sight, sleeping around with anyone you meet). These things can also be done by men as well.
Another way of thinking about it could be: If driving leads to immodest behavior, then should be men be prohibited from driving as well?
As for outrageous demands for equality, from what I have read on this site, it does not seem like women are asking for any changes that would turn men into second class citizens. In the west, men are treated as such especially when it comes to divorce laws (excessive alimony, unenforcable visitation rights with the children, child support obligations that are to high and not actually given to the child in question). As a result, the west is going to fall apart due to its own politically correct stupidity (low birthrates, less amrriage, increased divorce and increased mistrust for fellow human beings). However, you cannot look at the way the west turned out and automatically assume it will happen in the Middle East.
Fazal you pitiful soul,
I will ask you to educate yourself before coming into a site like this with such an ill-informed dark age mentality. You are an insult to all decent men who regard women as their equals in life, in terms of opportunity and intellect.
Spare us your utter nonsense, you don’t need to be “inspired” by anyone to treat women like human beings and not your personal animals. If I am inspired by anything, it is my faith, which respects me, and not the people like you whom I unfortunately share my faith with. Go back to grade school and learn the basics about your own religion and the real worth of women before embarrassing yourself further with your ignorance and disgusting attitude. You and your ilk are the laughing stock of all powerful women; eat your heart out.
salam(peace) we share same faith sorry to say but i have doubt in this not because you dont agree with me but because the way your reply to my email.anyhow its your way i cant say anything.coming back to the topic please its my humble request that you see one day how you are treated while driving and i am sure my word will not be wrong.
please do not attack my religion i request you.
we who you call as ill-informed dark age mentality take woman as queens and princess and we guard them from the evil of the world and i am proud of guarding them its one of the mans(mahram) responsibility to guard there woman.i never called woman as animals its your mentality which thinks that i have called a woman an animal(you can check all of my post) and this is the result of those who you are inspired by(sorry i have say this but its the truth).let me ask you one question. does the queen of England drive.if not then why!!and why is she always surrounded by security guards?? does this mean she is not given equal rights like a normal man?? please answer this question( i know the reason why she does not drive and i am sure you even know)
woman are strong but not physical(please have enough guts to accept this) i respect woman but not those who don’t care about there modesty.listen woman are allowed to drive but only in places where woman are found,where she has no threats from devils of the world(bad man remember every man has a devil in him its a hadith) so respected esra don’t fight with me just think for a second what i am trying to say all i want is that woman’s integrity and respect should not fall they should not be taken as amusement material for man as they are in some country’s who clam to give full rights to woman. a woman is soooo respected in my eyes that you cant even imagine and what i wrote in my previous post was bit strong but it was is and will remain the truth,i have come to that conclusion through experiments and facts and many other ways, it was a full scientific method which led me to come to such a shameful conclusion i am sorry if i have hurt you but its the truth.anyhow
take care everyone
fee aman ALLAH
(fear when all of you body parts will talk against you and you will have no savior fear the torment of hall fire which most of us will gain caze most of us had sold it for some small worldly benefits)
NO objection we are muslims this is abbreviation for the all no more no less
well i m 27 years old male borned and brought up in jeddah for 19 years.thou i m not an arab but a Bengali Muslim working as a Telecommunication consultant in UK…i must say Saudi Arab is a shit country(Apart from Holy Makkah and Madinah).Saudi’s must change there rules,regulations and Shariah law.Whts the point of inforcing Shariah law and making lesbians and Gays(though it is not public but we all know about it including saudi Govt too) through out the country?Whts the point of having illicit relationship between drivers and young girls,house keepers and young girls and guys with house servents!!!
brother saif i am aware of the fact that there are lesbians and gays in saudi arabia but brother there number is extremely less compared to the country you are living in.if you dont belive me then check out the statistics of UN.some people in saudi arabia are trying there level best to take out such an unhuman and disgusting act,even animals are better then such people.
there are many reasons which leads to such an act amonge these reasons is that saudi law is not fully implementing shariah law and people are not educated about its punishment on the day of fear.rest this video will answer inshallah
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8CHSl_hqRk
take care every one
fee aman ALLAH
TO HOLD SOME THING VALUABLE WE HAVE TO SACRIFICE… THAT IS WHAT SAUDI ARABIANS ARE DOING ….. MAY ALLAH BLESS THEM ALL… AMEEN.
Curious to know how many family driers are their in Saudi Arabia.
Any body can tell ?
Any reference for official statistics ?!
WE HAVE TO THINK WHY ? WHY?
IF A MUSLIM ATHLETS WITH A SMALL SKIRT ALL THE MEDIAS ARE GOING TO THE MUSLIM LEADERS AND ASKING ( IS THE GIRL FROM YOUR RELIGION IS WEARING THE SMALL CLOTHERS AND REVEALING HERE BODY PARTS IS THAT HARAAM? THE MUSLIM LEADER WILL DEFENILTY ANSWER THAT IS HARAM. AND THE MEDIA WILL EXAGIRATE THAT ISLAM IS AGAINST THE HUMAN RIGHTS AND THEY ARE PUTTING THEIR GIRLS IN TROUBLE…
LET ME ASK ONE QUESTION: IF THE CHRISTIAN ATHLETS IS GOING WITH BIKKINI WHY THE MEDIA PEOPLE ARE NOT ASKING TO THE POP WHY WHY? IF THEY ASK TO POP HE WILL ALOS TELL THAT IS FORBIDDEN TO REVEAL THEIR BODY PARTS TO THE PUBLIC
AS PER BIBLE THE LADY CANNOT REVEAL THEIR BODY PARTS TO OTHERS
AND THE LADY CANNOT WARE THE DRESS OF A MAN WISEVERSA.
SO ALL MEDIA WANTS TO PROVOKE WE MUSLIMS. SO WE HAVE TO RECTIFY WHAT THE MEDIAS ARE GOING.
AND ALLWAYS CRITICIZING THAT WE MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS AND KILLING INNOCENTS
BUT WHO KILLED IN HIROSHIMA AND NAGASAKKI…
AND WHO IS KILLING INNOCENT CHILDEREN AND WOMEN IN ARAB COUNTRIES???
THEY WHERE THE EUROPIAN MEADIAS MAY BE THEY ARE SLEEPING??????
SEE THE DRESS CODE OF A CHRISTIAN SISTER SHE IS WEARING DRESS LIKE A RELEGIOUS MUSLIM GIRL…. AND HOW IS THE DRESS OF MOTHER MARRY????
THEY WHY ALL THE EUROPIAN MEDIAS ARE AGAINS OUR MUSLIM WOMEN…. ????? THE DRIVERS STORY ALSO A KIND OF MEDIA CREATION…
I WAS WITH SAUDI ARABS I FOUND THEY ARE GOOD….
I am a man from Saudi Arabia; I am sick out of reading such a stereo type kind of Fake stories. I think there is an exaggeration in such a manner. I wanted to comment to those who lived in the westerns world whether, westerns, Saudis, or any other type. If any of you feels freed or democrat should at least think the opposite way; in other words, being a democrat should respect other people’s way of life; to be more specific the right things and right way is not what you “and only you” understand. If you think you are correct remember that I think I am correct as well. What makes you right and makes me wrong? There is something clear that you don’t seem to understand. I have a religion and you have an opinion, so we are out of synch.
A message to a young naïve Saudi and Arab ladies, who are criticizing Saudi culture, is that; even though the westerns society marriage status is no longer a family arranged it is the highest divorced. Even though, they think they are free it is the highest crime. In New York City, every five minutes, there is a single woman raped, and a single man murdered. San Francisco alone is the highest city in the world among homosexuality. This is their statistics not mine.
If this is the free dome you are inviting me for, very kindly I wanted to say “THANK YOU” I love my way.
I agree – we must respect the choice of others to live as they see fit. However, large numbers of women have expressed their anger at having such a restrictive lifestyle being imposed on them, and as such, the criticism is warranted.
Last I checked, divorce rates in Saudi Arabia are quite close to those in America
Stats for violence against women in Muslim countries are just as sickening
So?
You’re free to love your way, but you have no right to expect women in Saudi to be content with second-rate citizens
Hello Kawthar; I have seen people speaking up for Saudi Women neglicting their own people, don’t ask me why! better to free Sudan ladies then speak for Saudis
when you have time. Since you have announced that Divordce and violance is just as high as it is in westerns and Saudi Arabia then why are you asking me to adopte westrerns way of life? if we both just as bad. Youu have have judged saudi women to be second citizens; sorry i did not judge them this way, and they are not. If you are satisfied with your way of life which i dought it; don’t judege other just because they are different. Saudi Women is smart enough to speak for their own.
Thanks
Ramadan Careem
Waleed, this part of your comment is highly disrespectful and disturbing:
Unless you are a racist, then you too would agree that women are women, regardless of their nationalities. If we witness abuse or inequality all women have a right to speak out against it.
Your denial doesn’t change the reality of many Saudi women, who claim otherwise.
By the way Waleed, it’s a bit ironic that you want Saudi women to speak for themselves, which is what Rasha did, but what is the point if you will just call them liars who publish “fake stories”? You don’t seem to respect their opinions at all when they demand less discrimination and oppression.
well,i really dont know what to say.Shariah Law is ok and thats what the muslims should follow.My question is why all those Saudi Sheik’s,family member’s of king and all the rich saudi’s are taking drugs,alchohol and going out with Hookers in West in the name of business?That is one of the reason their wives,sisters are going after other guys…
Saudi arab is fully wiv some crap laws,made by them(that always goes/work for Men).Islam gave same right to men and women.But they r not following.The girls should come out and do whatever they want to within Islam..ANd sex?errmmm that is fun…who will say NO if gets chances?I honestly can say that There are very few Angel’s in this current world now..
Hello SAif; Sorry to tell you that you are off track, you announced that ” Saudi Sheik’s,family member’s of king and all the rich saudi’s are taking drugs,alchohol and going out with Hookers in West in the name of business?That is one of the reason their wives,sisters are going after other guys”
Note: you said “all the rich ” good that you count them one by one????
Note to Esra’a: you blame me and said that “but what is the point if you will just call them liars who publish “fake stories”? You don’t seem to respect their opinions “…….After that how do you want me to respect their openion?
Back to Saif: Did you read the story about Monica Luinsky? Did she made love with any Rich Saudi or Sheike’s? Was this done in any of the Saudis official office? or Was it done in a black house? Did you conclude that “That is one of the reason Mrs Clinton are going after other guys…”???????
Back to Esra’a: Do you still wanted me to respect their openion?? Did you read about the demand for women affaire in Europe?
Esra’a what if we make a deal? lets starts demanding less discrimination and oppression against women in Europe and Bahrain. When we succeed then we use our experience to start taking care of Saudi problems.
Last questions: Saudi women is my mom, sister, wife do you think you love them more than i do? Do you think you have solutions for them? which they don’t have?
Do you think you can speake for them? Do they need you? Do you think that you know what is good for them better than they do?
I am astonished for those who lives in the soil and see the dirt in my clothes.
Waleed your comment couldn’t be more illogical. The reason why you refuse to focus on Saudi Arabia is because you do not in fact have an actual refutation of any valid criticism, not even when they’re by Saudi women themselves. It’s quite pitiful, and I feel sorry that Saudi women in general must deal with this attitude in their societies. I don’t care what happens in Europe, I care what happens in neighboring countries, and to fellow Arab women. Your arrogance doesn’t change the fact that we will always stand up in their defense no matter how much you try to deny corruption and abuse within your country.
Brother Waleed..Fnks fo all ur comments..Yes i meant RICH and obviously Rich Saudis have more scope and doors open to go for these nasty things.Man dont make a law urself now…I know ppl like u will take responsibility to save all the poor saudi women and later abuse them.I respect all Saudi girls and dont want to see them in that condition..Read the book “Girls in Dubai”…
Do think that Arab news publish Every thing in their papers?
Saudi Govt also monitor these things and reporters are in Bindings.Even the girl/female who is abused are not high-lighted in paper..Because Family image,dignity and so many things comes around…and at the end all the saudi Guys …i can guranteee that they make a girl naked with their eyes(even if tey are in Hijab)…I just hate these saudi bunch of ediots and have no respect to them at all..i met so many Saudi students here in UK and have very good knowledge about them…They are worst then devils…
Mr Saif; Happy Eid. Your comments were:
1)”I know ppl like u will take responsibility to save all the poor saudi women and later abuse them” thank you!
2)”all the saudi Guys …i can guranteee that they make a girl naked with their eyes” Is that right? Are you telling me that you never look at girls? Unless you are a gay.
3)” all the Saudi” good that you count them one by one.
4)”I just hate these saudi bunch of ediots” idiots not ediots No comments
5)”They are worst then devils…” It is than not then! Oh we have an Angle here!
Sorry SAif with this kind of low level language I am not going down to your level.
Esra’a on the your previous article you accused of saying ” if you will just call them liars” which i never call anyone liars. Later you said “Waleed your comment couldn’t be more illogical” Do you want me to say what you like to hear? Otherwise i am illogical. Is logic what you understand? While others way of life is non logic? Is that how you defense your opinion?
You said “I don’t care what happens in Europe” and i don’t care what happens in your mind.
Whenever hate bad language and anger leads the discussion. The discussion becomes not fruitful neither subjective.
Waleed:
Eid mubarak to u too..well i would really appriciate u working as a spell checker…its all about accent..
Welll,er goes Fob!!!I wouln’t mind puffin u lyk shunk….common man…dont bang ur spilfs…if u opt 2be different then flash it…i really dont lyk wanker takin pisss on Gays…infact u prove it,where the word is most common..
Waleed,
I have never asked or even implied that you should adopt a “Western” lifestyle. To each their own, and if Saudi women were content with leading restrictive lives, I would have respected their choice. However, that is not the case. A quick google search will return thousands of articles written by Saudi women, decrying their situation and demanding for more freedom.
As a Middle Easterner, I know that the combination of “women” and “freedom” renders images of strip clubs and illegitimate children, but that is not the freedom Muslim women are demanding. What we are demanding is to have a say in our own lives, to not feel marginalized.
And you’re right : I’m not satisfied with my life. I’m not satisfied with the many instances in which my applications were rejected because I was a woman (and yes, they would say it to my face!). I’m not satisfied that I cannot carry out simple tasks with consent from a guardian. I’m not satisfied with the prospect that if I am to marry in the future, governments will not ensure that I am not protected. I am not satisfied with the discriminatory laws in our constitutions. You cannot even begin to imagine how suffocating it feels.
I speak up women everywhere, regardless of race, religion, sexuality or whatnot. And if you take the time to think of it, you’d acknowledge that while the situation differs from one Muslim country to the other, the root causes remain similar.
And I didn’t judge Saudi women to be second-rate citizens, but it’s a fact. Saudi women are not equal before the law, how else would you describe that?
No one here is implying that Saudi women cannot speak out for themselves or cannot find a solution to their own problems. I am inspired, and in fact in awe with, many brave Saudi women who defy the status-quo and are willing to speak out.
Joining hands with them does not mean we view them as inadequate. It is only through collaborating and communicating with each other that we’ll finally be able to end the injustice in our nations.
من منكن تريد معرفة الحقيقه فلتراسلني على عنواني وساكون صادقا في ردي التوقيع من احب سعوديه فكان مصيره الموت
Some may be involved in bad activities irrespective of girl or boys, to blame all sections of soceity doesnt make any sense. why so hue and cry about saudi girls,, it happened every part of world.
saudi girls are coming to light , coz they are living under islamic shadow.a group of shaitaan always try to mollify right persons. not those who are in bad habit.
if you know the of world stat , then you would be able to think that this nothing compare to europe , america and other countries.
the complexity of the situation lies in the situation we winvloved with. therefore, ask Potection from ALmighty ALLAH from the fitan of shayaateen , who always try to drag in to wrong path like, adultery etc.
may allah protect us all , before death strike us
ameen
I am from saudi Arabia and working in saudi telecom as a Electrical Eng.i want a good girl for merry from saudi arabia.who live me happy all time.plz send me mail on kifayat13@gmail.com
Greetings to all, I’ve got to say that I find this forum amazing and a pleasant surprise. I’m a female “westerner”, UK born and bred but of Black African heritage. I stumbled across this blog while googling for more stories and info about the Malaysian lady that’s going to be flogged for having a sip of beer. I found the concept mind-boggling. But then I look at binge drinking culture in Britain and I honestly think that the youth here in the UK could do with a bit of discipline with regards to alcohol consumption. I live in the West but I don’t like the some of the excessives to which our freedoms are being used at times.
But in the same token, I do feel that women are oppressed and predominantly reated as second-class citizens in the ME’s. But I feel it’s not the West’s duty to spread propaganda about the East in attempt to “save” ME women. Because the West really don’t have all the answers. ME and West present simply two examples of extremism on opposing ends.
Why is it that a moderate middle-ground is such a simple concept yet apparently impossible to achieve?
Why can’t men in both the East and West see woman as equal humans with our own brains and abilities and not as mere replaceable pretty sex objects and/or organic baby making machines put on earth solely for their pleasure?
However, If the ME women want freedom from opression they should fight for it if they want it just like the rest of us did, Women suffrage in the 1800s and the Black race from slavery, most recently.
The debate will most definitely rage on and thatin itself is a step in the right direction.
Stay blessed! Keep up the good work
hey rashsa where are you exactly from ksa? which part?
U saudis be aware people are making fun of your sisters by putting the lousy comments of having affair with their drivers, though i have never been in gulf but i beleive its rubish. women in saudi arabia lives behind the veil and in strict islamic dress code. keep it up . may my sisters here in kashmir fallow the same thing.
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Basit Ali’s comments above are irrelevant and should not be there, we people should know how to use this space.
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It’s my opinion from what I have seen in my travels around the world including Saudi Arabia that women are mistreated here. To blame them for the men having sexual fantasies about them is ridiculous. Is it their fault they were born a woman (the correct answer being no)? Is it their fault they were raped?(again no) Many (men) believe it is and they are to blame. I have read and still do read Arab News and follow stories of not just Saudi women, but house maids(you know where from) that are abused and raped, forced to drink urine and beaten. I have read of the *POLICE* raping women and not just 1 doing the raping usualy a whole gang. I find it so sad that this land that prides itself on being holy and true is filled with such trash (I do not speak of everybody, but if you are deserving I speak of you). I say this to all women if you want change from mistreatment, you want to go shopping with your friends, you want to go out for coffee and walk down the beautiful corniche without having a man walk you like a puppy or escort you because HE doesn’t trust you. STAND UP for yourselves just like you are doing with this blog. Find ways to get your words heard and felt. Get your sisters, mothers, and friends involved. You have the rite you have the power you are a human being and wanting to be treated as one is not a crime. Good Luck to ALL of you. (except the abusers and intimidators, I hope you fail)