What is really execution by stoning?
July 17th, 2007I heard in the news couple of times that somebody sentenced to execute by stoning but I didn’t have any clue how do they carry the ruling! even though I read about it but it was hard to even imagine. Finally I watched following clip.
Note: following clip is very disturbing specially for young audience!
Now what do you think? isn’t it barbaric? Even I can’t consider this rule was right for 1400 years ago (begining of Islam) because if something is cruel it is always cruel! If Muslims say this rule was right for that era! I would say Muhammad should be a very cruel humankind and that Allah (God) is an ugly Allah.
In Quran, Allah says We created man and we blessed him with life! If the Allah is blessed man with life, wisdom and mind to decide on his own; why should he punish him for his choice and decision? why should it be such cruel? isn’t it supposed to be the center of love and forgiveness? what kind of God it is? is it a fantasy of humankind which kills by stoning?! doesn’t he give you the right to choose or argue? so what is that? it is foolish to believe there is an Allah and Muhammad was a prophet? it’s foolish!
No offence to Muslims. I love all of you but as a writer I have the right to express my opinion about things happen in the world! so don’t take it personally. thanks.
Fariborz Shamshiri
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Very disturbing, but necessary to understand what a man ca do to another man.
But I don’t agree with you: I don’t think that “it is foolish to believe there is an Allah and Muhammad was a prophet? it’s foolish!”
It is not Allah (or God) fault, it’s our fault.
Stoning as a punishment is from the Hadith, not the Quran itself (which calls for flogging), as I recall?
Just came across this:
“Death by stoning and all the measures contained in the Sharia are wise measures,” Chief Prosecutor Ghorban Ali Dori Najafabad
I believe that stoning or any kind of execution is “haram”, and I speak from a Christian point of view, where Jesus said: “Let anyone who is among you without sin be the first to throw a stone at her”, and the sixth commandment: “thou shall not kill”! I DO consider this killing, because, non of us are us are “PURE”, everyone is a sinner! And this person killed the drug dealer as self defense, kill or be killed!!
To Giovanni B. :
Thanks for your opinion.
I do agree that it’s human fault. Also I am sure as long as humankind still associate their own desire to something in the name of Allah then anything can happnes but good.
Unfortunately none of these religions so far, brought us unity, love to all humankind and compassion! when we study Islam from the first days to now, all was war, killing and this kind of rulings!
Well, if Allah (God) is that creator, how come could be happy to see such rulings?
Fariborz Shamshiri
To Grumpy:
Thanks for your opinion.
I’m afraid I can’t agree with you because:
1. Muslims still not only believe in this ruling but also they are sentencing people who committed adultery crime to death by stoning.
2. Most Muslims believe this ruling was in Quran (it was in Torah too) so just the removed it later on. there were lots of discussions around this topic.
e.g. Islam and Stoning: A Case Study Into the Textual Corruption Of the Quran
Also thanks for the quote.
Fariborz Shamshiri
To Josef:
Thanks for your opinion.
For me, we shouldn’t measure human with sin or pure attributes!
I think we, humankind, always created something to say some of us are better than others.
so instead of classification with religion (or other form of classification like soceity, wealth) just be good!
As long as, we, human, refer to some books (heavenly or I don’t know from whom …) for our daily life instead of refering to our mind then everything would be the same as we have in the world!
Fariborz Shamshiri
Hello, Fariborz,
That IS interesting. I had known that of the three major texts only the Quran did NOT mention stoning, I hadn’t realized that there is a school of thought that it might have been edited out.
Hi Fariborz,
I refused to watch that video, I can imagine how violent and barbaric it is. I do question these methods of torture and killing human beings..
I wanted to check the site on Islam and stoning.. but guess what? it’s blocked here in Saudi Arabia..
Hi Fariborz, don’t get upset. Quran is man made. It was composed and compiled by scholerly persons after the death of
professor Muhamad. He was a born genius without any formal education. The verses of Quran is from Muhamad and he cleverly
put it in the mouth of god. Islamic god Allah is purely a imaginary
diety of Muhamad. He had never seen his god, never he visited heaven or hell, never he received any message from god. Everything you read in Quran is simply his imagination. Any one
could claim that he or she received message from god. Let me claim, right now I received message from my god AHURA and he informed me to oppose any punishment to women for adultery. It is barbaric and cruel. See it takes a minute to articulate a god and his message. So why you angry with god? Quranik god is the reflection of Muhamad’s charecter. You articulate your own god and see that is totally opposite of Muhamadian god. You have every right to oppose any god any prophet if you think their teaching is inhuman, barbaric and cruel.
halim, u are humane and logica and boldl- so be careful in Mid east.
To Grumpy:
I am looking forward to hear from you more.
To Rasha:
Either I don’t recommend it to, I put the video here just for blocks whom won’t believe before watching it.
Well, in The Islamic Republic of Iran (IRI) almost they censored whole net! so we use anti-filters to access to the most websites.
Could you tell me do they censor social netwroks such as orkut or myspace in Saudi Arabia?
Fariborz ,
I have heard of Sam Shamoun he is a Christian Arab (I believe Palestinian). HE also has an article about how the prophet of Islam used to wear his wives dresses. See http://www.answeringislam.info/Responses/Osama/diaper_garment.htm
There is a Palestinian Muslim who has a website http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac.htm that refutes Sam Shamoun and brings out the negative aspects of the Bible. It’s interesting to see them go back and forth, arguing about who has the better religion.
To Halim:
Hi Halim. I like your objection but I am not sure I can get it. I do understand that you want to differentiate between Allah and God, right? so could you do me favour and please define God for me? In my understanding, all of these names are same.
btw, I won’t get upset (thanks for short notice
) because while we discuss I open my mind to new thoughts and I could enjoy a new perspective! as long as there’s no harm to humanity and human rights.
Fariborz,
You wrote,
But most Muslim countries do not carry out stoning. It’s mainly Iran, Saudi Arabia (puppet of the U.S.), some parts of Nigeria and Sudan. Recently there was in the news a report about stoning Du’a Khalil Aswad in Iraq by some Yazidi , a pre-Islamic cultural religion. I suspect that there are more cruel and unusual practices in many parts of the non-Muslim developing world that don’t get reported on.
Why is stoning more prevalent in some regions than others?
What about other forms of cruel and unusual pracices.
What about the Atefeh Rajabi Sahaaleh the 16 year old girl, who was hanged in Iran for “acts incompatible with chastity.†There was a BBC documenary about it which said the Moral Police that had arrested her had been running a child prostitution ring.
What about Iranians who practice self-flagellation. Have you seen those photographs of bloodletting? What about the ones where a mother or father is holding a big knife and the cut baby has blood dripping from its face?
There are a lot of cultural practice that occur which have existed before Islam, but often are attributed to Islam.
There needs to be more then passing around stoning videos and talking about how disgusting it is. Why have some societies been able to drop this harsh punishment, while others haven’t?
What is equally as disgusting is the man and woman who where singing, cheerfully, about “islam is not for me” during the second half of the stoning video. I wonder if this man and women are concerned when Western governments have bashed and burned the skulls and bodies of millions of children, women and men in Iraq and Afghanistan, Vetnam, etc. Were they as concerned about the use of depleted uranium and chemical weapons that resulted in deformed babies and has contaminated the land. All of this is being done in the name of human rights and democracy.
Why don’t they create a video with the dead bodies of the Iraqis singing “this is what athiesm is all about, we are here for the oil and you better give it to us you motherf***ers”
What is interesting to note is that the number one mass killer in the world was an athiest, Joseph Stalin.
Hi Fariborz, God is purely human imagination. You could imagine and articulate your god. suppose you can say I believe in almighty god and his name Voodo. Every now and then I talk to him and he teaches me, ” believe in universal brotherhood of mankind. You are integral part of humanity. A person is great by
his deeds and thoughts and not by his religeon or beliefs. In that sense Omar Khyaam is much more religeous than Ayatollah
Khomeni. Omar was one of the greatest mathematician, astronomer and poet(Rubayiat) of ancient Persia. Through out his life he contributed knowledge and enriched mankind. And what Khomeni did? Throughout his life he was busy to beat women for not wearing burkha(black tent) and stoning for adultary”. Did you like god Voodo? Here is a difference between
Allah(god of Muhamad) and Voodo. Allah teaches to believe in
muslim brotherhood. Only muslims is your brother and rest of humanity is infidel(kafir). So articulate your own god. I bet you
can do it better than professor Muhamad.
limpia says
I am living in land of satan. To many kafirs are here. They will save me if any muslim dare to behead me for my opinion. If I would be in middle east I am dead and in my grave by this time.
Dear all
Watch the video ‘ George carlin on religeon’. Have a good laugh.
http://towelianism.wordpress.com/tag/videos/page/4/
Thanks, Randal: that’s the key question, isn’t it? I’d suggest two reasons that some haven’t:
1) Plain old resistance to change. This is the way it has been done for centuries and just continues through inertia. To change it would imply that it had been wrong all this time.
2) The brutality of it makes it more fearsome and more effective at keeping the people in line.
About the nations that have banned stoning (which includes the IRI, actually), how did that come about? Can anyone tell us?
LOL (Laugh Out Loud)
It took fifteen hundred years to reform christianity. Time is mature for islam too. Islam is experiencing severe internal convulsion, I call it labor pain. Surgical method is inevitable to bring the newborn. We have seen Ayatullah khomeni, Osama,Aymen al zahwri, sayed kutub, ala maududi and days are not far behind we will see emmergence of great humanist, great
mind, great thinker from the womb of islam. The process already
began and it will be very very painful. May be millions will die, rivers of blood will flow before the dust settle. History will witness this century solely belongs to islam.
To RandallJones:
Reply to first comment:
Sure, it has been a long conflict between all these religions so far!
I don’t quite follow you because what you suggest doesn’t fit into this discussion.
Reply to second comment:
Stoning is a legal sentence for certain crimes (deemed criminal) in some of the Islamic countries governed by Sharia law, including the following:
Iraq
Islamic Republic of Afghanistan
Nigeria
Pakistan
Saudi Arabia
Sudan
The Islamic Republic of Iran
The United Arab Emirates
For sure, there are other kind of cruel practices like flagellation and thanks for reminding me, I gotta run a campaign for that one too.
If there is something just you should start to report them what’s wrong with it?! Also we support you if we study facts not assumptions.
I wrote about them and will continue to write about any cruel practices and activities towards people. Also I will write about human stupidity too.
Everybody knows, Sharia law is Islamic if you find any law with this kind of cruelty so speak out, why are you silent?
I totally agree that more should be done but you should know everything starts from writing and speaking out.
Good question, See! if I didn’t write above message people like you never ever ask this kind of question.
What’s your solution to the problem?
Reply to third comment:
First thing first, The original video removed from yuotube then I found this one.
Second, How dare you to say singing a song is equall to stoning to death?
In fact, this is fanatic! This behaviour is so called Extereme Islamic!
Third, I don’t think so singing “islam is not for me†is disgusting at all. it’s just a song about Islam. some would like it, some not! Simple!
Fariborz Shamshiri
To Halim:
Now you’re talking. If I was looking for God I am going to use your prescription. Thanks.
To Halim:
In following like Amr Diab, uses Allah word. I don’t understand Arabic that much but I know if I was there instead of Amr Diab i could sing Allah, Allah too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4T1kpP2miw
So we noticed that Stoning is a legal sentence for certain crimes (deemed criminal) in some of the Islamic countries governed by Sharia law.
Now we can answer to this question; why Islamic societies haven’t been able to drop harsh punishments?
Because in some Islamic societies government use Sharia law which is part of Islam. Clerics say if we don’t use Sharia law, society will corrupt!
The problem is,
1. This societies have Islamic government and they stick to Islamic law.
2. State government and politics is not seperated from Islam religion.
3. Islamic Sharia laws are against human rights.
4. Major problem is clerics and Muslims don’t want to accept that there are lots of problems in islamic rulings and they should change them.
Fariborz Shamshiri
Fariborx Shamshiri,
You wrote,
How dare you deny that the singers of that song comce from countries that, as I wrote previusly, “have bashed and burned the skulls and bodies of millions of children, women and men in Iraq and Afghanistan, Vetnam, etc. Were they as concerned about the use of depleted uranium and chemical weapons that resulted in deformed babies and has contaminated the land. All of this is being done in the name of human rights and democracy.
Why don’t they create a video with the dead bodies of the Iraqis singing “this is what athiesm is all about, we are here for the oil and you better give it to us you motherf***ersâ€
Why you asking them to create video to please. Why are you not
creating your video to show the world the crime committed by those countries? Let them do their jobs they think right and you do your job you think rlght. Yes you right it is for oil. But it is too late to F***k. All oil from Iraq and Afganisthan already transported and resrved in huge resevoir under the ranch of Kennibunkport. Soon you can fill your tank a quarter per gallon.
Why you asking them to create video to please you.. Why are you not creating your video to show the world the crime committed by those countries? Let them do their jobs they think right and you do your job you think rlght. Yes you are right it is for oil. But it is too late to F***k. All oil from Iraq and Afganisthan already transported and resrved in huge resevoir under the ranch of Kennibunkport. Soon you can fill your tank a quarter per gallon.
Halim, you wrote
Great thinkers in Islam already exist but they do not get the media attenton that the extremists get. Many of the Muslim extremists have collaborated with Western countries (like Osama ben Ladan, aka Tim Osman). These “jihadis” seem more concerned with releasing video and audio tapes that Western media use as propaganda, than with helping their own people.
Halim you wrote
Millions have already died thanks partially to United States’ and other democracies’s politcal and military interventions, not only in the Middle East, but also in Africa, Asia, and South America.
To RandallJones:
You compared a humankind life with a song! What makes me Sad is some people look like human but doesn’t live like human.
What it makes more unfortunate is, The more people claim to be religious, the more they would be fanatic.
Fariborz Shamshiri
To RandallJones:
1. Instead of trying to deviate us from main topic, please stick to the topic.
2. Don’t make a new accusation, you didn’t ask anything about it before. go ahead and read your posts.
3. Although now you asked, I won’t reply to it in this post because it’s irrelevant to the topic.
4. If you want somebody creates a video, it’s ok. Just go ahead and ask from people! if your cause convince them they’ll help you! right? did you ever try or are you writing here to fill the post and digress the main topic?
Unfortunately, in Islamic cultures people make accusations instead of addressing to the problem. It comes from lack of knowledge to come up with a logical answer so they try to digress from the main problem. Nobody can justify cruelty in Islamic Rulings with anything.
So don’t even try to justify a barbaric Islamic cruelty with anything else in the world because it’s people life at stake!
Fariborz Shamshiri
Randal, United states killed millions and billions of Afgan women and children, if your statement is true I stand by your side.
Watch this website created by battered and oppressed Afgan women. Show me a single statement by those courageous women convicting U.S. for the suffering of Afgan people.
http://www.rawa.org/gallery.html
http://www.rawa.org/women.html
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Women/RevolAfghanWomen.html
http://www.rawa.org/index.php
Randal, you oppose American tyrrany it bother me little. But It is
crystal clear your intention is to cover up the atrocities
committed under the banner of Islam.
Hi Fariborz, Please watch the website http://www.rawa.org. As a Persian you can feel the pain of Afgan women. I request you to put a link to that site to show our solidarity.
Thank you for that link, Halim.
To Halim:
Thank you.
Halim, I am so sorry I didn’t your links. I am going to write about it in my blog. thank you very much for your links and please accept my apology for not noticing your comment.
* I didn’t see your links
Halim wrote, “Show me a single statement by those courageous women convicting U.S. for the suffering of Afgan people.”
Here is a speech given by Malalai Joya, member of the Afghan Parliament, at the University of Los Angeles on Tuesday April 10, 2007. But she doesn’t get much Western media attention because she criticizes both the Taliban and U.S. military actions.
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/04/12/468/
I’ll quote part of it here:
Halim look at one of the links you gave
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Women/RevolAfghanWomen.html
Halim,
Zbigniew Brzezinski (United States National Security Advisor to President Jimmy Carter) has said
from http://members.aol.com/bblum6/brz.htm