Men aren’t allowed to show from the navel, to the knee, to anyone but their wives, even in male-only company. As is for females, in female-only company. Further, the man has to behave in a way that is firm, and non-seductive, as do the females. The only difference is the headdress, and that is because the hair, on a female, is the most attractive part (as found in many a survey)

If you have such a huge problem with it, then don’t do it, or whatever. Walk around in whatever you want. Has anyone noticed that prostitutes on TV are shown in miniskirts, but ‘respectable’ women in longer and more ‘modest’ clothing?

Think about your own society. Your girlfriends never gonna turn up to meet your parents for the first time in a bra and a g-string. Right?

So its a matter of respect. The woman’s body is very attractive, and so it should be covered so as to not attract attention merely for ‘attraction’.

Anyway. I’m glad people have come in here talking abt oppression and such, it shows how ignorant the world is.

Sure, the oppression happens. But isn’t it even more oppression to stop those who WANT to? Wheres the ‘freedom’? If theres one extreme where you have to, theres another where you cant – even if its your own choice.

The whole hijab thing takes me by surprise. People just cant take it when someones different – they just can’t handle it.

Well that is partly right, the Gulf region is known to be more conservative. But that is rapidly changing with the economic expansion of these countries. And some countries that have been traditionally known as more liberal are becoming more conservative, such as Egypt.

See, this is the sort of thing I come here to learn. I know it’s hard even for people on the ground there to assess these things, but given how far off the mark I probably am it shouldn’t take much to give me a better idea than I have at present.

Also, the gulf is supposedly the hijabi heartland and niqab country, with everywhere else claiming to be far less strict

Well that is partly right, the Gulf region is known to be more conservative. But that is rapidly changing with the economic expansion of these countries. And some countries that have been traditionally known as more liberal are becoming more conservative, such as Egypt.

and given how many Muslim immigrants insist on wearing these things here, we figure you must be off the charts

I think to some extent, this is an attempt to hold on to their culture, in an unfamiliar place.

you see men with furry face and women in ninja costume plotting to take over the world or talking about what hey had for lunch… all depends on who translated the material…

Nah, most of the taking over the world stuff comes out of London and Australia, and those guys don’t need translating. The same goes for cats and uncovered meat type material. And the cartoonrioter in chief from Denmark is being translated correctly, I can vouch for it.

Plus we have this dude in Norway called Mullah Krekar who will go on TV and lambast kumbaya leftists for misrepresenting his religion. He thinks non Muslims should be targeted with punitive taxation and a lot of other things, and he’s not shy about arguing it on national television. Muslims think he’s a right-wing conspiracy. (alright, I only heard that once, second hand, but I laughed my ass off)

Basically stuff like that only makes the news if it happens in a western country.

We do see regular women from the other Arab countries, like Jordan and Lebanon. I guess Bahrain just isn’t all that newsworthy.

BRB I have to fix my niqab.

AHA!

Maybe women there are camera shy? Or are people not allowed to report from the streets?

We mostly tar you with the Saudi brush, because of the close proximity and the fact that this assumption isn’t challenged. I’m glad to learn I’ve been mistaken.

Also, the gulf is supposedly the hijabi heartland and niqab country, with everywhere else claiming to be far less strict, and given how many Muslim immigrants insist on wearing these things here, we figure you must be off the charts.

How does Kuwait look in this respect?

I wear tank tops there. Most of my friends do. Some walk in skirts that are so short it exposes their asses.

SLUTS U ARE ALL GOING TO HELL.

This might also help me figure out how much of an anomaly you and your circle of friends are.

They are not an anomaly, you are just watching too much FOX News again.

If you’re at like, a resort, you’re gonna see asses and tight clothing everywhere.

If you’re at a mall, you’re gonna see people in sweaters and jeans everywhere.

If you’re in a conservative village, you’re gonna see hijabs, very rarely burquas except on the very old ladies.

I don’t know what anomaly means, but we are by far average.

Not to mention Bahrain! I wear tank tops there. Most of my friends do. Some walk in skirts that are so short it exposes their asses.

So, walking down an average street, how many of the girls would be wearing:
“skirts that are so short it exposes their asses”
“tank tops”
“sweaters and jeans”
“hijabs, scarfs and loose clothing”
“niqabs/burqas”

Just curious.

This might also help me figure out how much of an anomaly you and your circle of friends are.

You say it is hard to believe, but have you ever been to any Arab or Islamic countries? Would you like to see pics of my friends and I, in Dubai? in Oman? in Qatar? in Jordan? in Syria? in Egypt? in Lebanon?

Why don’t you complain about all the Russians and Eastern Europeans who do the same thing? Because they look more like you, it’s okay?

I don’t know about Britain, but here they don’t get asylum, they get work visas. Then they either earn a living honestly, which is fine, or by robbing people, and you better believe we’re complaining about that. On the whole though, they don’t live off our taxes.

We have a tighter labor market than Britain, and we get more refugees working than not, but almost half of them still live on welfare.

The real problem here is that immigrants, especially Pakistanis keep making their children marry relatives from their home countries. A daughter of pakistani immigrants seems to be considered not so much a person in her own right, as some relatives ticket to wealth and prosperity. And they keep killing them when they don’t oblige. The guys too keep marrying women from repressive societies, and discourage them from learning the language and their rights, and from getting friends and participating in society.

I support legislating that no one marries into the country unless the person they marry is employed and self supporting, and that once in they are barred for a decade from receiving welfare money. This should put more people in a position to defy their parents, and should discourage people from just leaching off the rest of us. Sadly, there isn’t a majority yet in parliament for such legislation.

OK then, you have changed my mind with regard to the the head covering (well done!), spose it is harmless & the individuals choice, but i still think the “full veil” is a bit much.

Going back Tamara’s comment a few days ago about western girls wearing what they want “freely” in islamic states. i have no evidence to back this up, but i find it very hard to beleive. perhaps legally they can, but socially i very much doubt it.

Firstly, being a secular nation does not mean that religion is irradicated from society. It means that religion plays no role in politics, and that people are able to practice their religions freely. And a major way in which Muslim women practice their faith, is by covering their hair. This covering of the hair, is common in many cultures, not just Muslim cultures. There is nothing threatening about the hijab to the British way of life. In fact, it is directly in line with the secular, liberal British way of life.

Secondly, I feel your fustration with regards to people being granted the right to sit on their ass, get money and housing from the government and give nothing back to society. But this is not limited to asylum seekers (who come from various cultures/nations), this is just as applicable to british people who do exactly the same. This is just as unacceptable.

This is a sympton of something majorly wrong with the system. People who are working, trying to make ends meet, are forced to support a significant number of people, who do not deserve the support they are receiving. We need to fix the problem, not target the victims of this situation.

On another level, I believe that there needs to be better intergration between the ethnic minorities of the UK and the british people, there has to be more acceptance from both sides. I object to certain minorities coming to the UK, and excluding themselves completely, resorting to even stricter traditions than they would have in their own country, in an attempt to prevent the loss of their culture. I do understand this, but in light of their choice to come to a foreign country, they should be more respectful of the nation they are in. I would say the same of the British, European etc.. who are moving to Arab countries.

I’m saying people living to Britain should adapt to Biritsh life.

I agree with you only to the extent that they should abide by British law. This is why I said that as long as they do not impose this upon others or try to change the laws to fit their own needs, then it’s practically harmless. As far as I know, veil-wearing isn’t illegal in Britain. Some people who migrate abroad would like to keep their identity intact, and they have every right to, especially in a “free” country like the UK. Why do you want them to give up their identity, cultural and religious beliefs simply because of a piece of clothing that you personally think is “scary”?

It just doesn’t make much sense to me.

They come here are granted asylum, then sit in their government-provided houses for 5 years, wearing their veils then become biritsh without contributing a penny or a minute of their time to society.

Irrelevant. It’s not just Muslims who do this. Why don’t you complain about all the Russians and Eastern Europeans who do the same thing? Because they look more like you, it’s okay?