were it refers to the terrorists of Hagannah as freedom fighters. It says,

“He later became a stakeholder for the Hagannah, a defense lawyer for Jewish gun-runners and had his brother, Mayor William O’Dwyer, call off a police detail from the docks so guns could be sent to Israel.
… [caption of photo] Manhattan attorney Brian O’Dwyer (left), who told a vignette about his father defending Israeli freedom fighters caught with guns in Manhattan; with Joel Shiller (center), chair of the UFT Jewish Heritage Committee, and Callaghan.”

Here is some of what the Hagannah did to the Palestinians

http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2002-05/16/article23.shtml

Not only did they terrorize the Palestinians, they also terrorized Jews. There is a book by Naeim Giladi called Ben Gurion’s Scandals: How the Haganah & the Mossad Eliminated Jews. Read about it here http://www.bintjbeil.com/E/occupation/ameu_iraqjews.html

because there are no arab americans or muslims living in NYC? or the entire country? check the statistics. maybe we want to make the places we live better and safer for all of us by promoting the message of intifada–”shaking off” the systems that oppress us.

Peter, your comment now that it is just the context which makes the word inappropriate is a significant step back from the vitriolic comments you made the other week that intifada means terrorism. You didn’t say “it means terrorism to SOME,” you just said it was. And when I commented about IDF shirts, you did not concede that they were even relatable issues. I agree with you that the context is important. That is why these shirts explain the meaning of intifada.

If one was to walk around a town in France or Germany with a shirt that said something like I only eat freedom fries or something as ignorant you would be most likely be spat on. Now up the price. If you get a shirt that says Hitler was right, (but you don’t explain WHICH Hitler) who is at fault when there is outrage?

And Infidel, shut up. You sound very silly and are not helping your cause (whatever it might be) and you are degrading the level of conversation held here.

I guess that should work as a shirt to walk in..

Esra’a, don’t waste your time trying to grow a second brain lobe for that person..

there is no way you can appeal to people’s logic on this one. the people leading this anti t-shirt fight are simply using this t-shirt issue as a political pawn. they are people like daniel pipes, who troll the internet or where ever else looking for an opportunity to prove his thesis that islam is inherently violent, backwards, facistic, and dangerous. he doesn’t know about the work of a small non-profit for arab girls and he doesn’t care. the sad thing is, this recent coverage will do alot to poison the thinking of rational people.

oh, and another thing.. why do you even respond to infidel? the dude is obviously not going to at least for a second be moved by anything any of you are saying. i guess it’s funny to play with him but you do give him a forum by responding.

What the shirts were saying was “let’s have an intifada, or let’s intifada NYC.” “Whee! let’s make NYC like Gaza! Isn’t it great?”

Reading comprehension classes are down to about $20 a course. Want me to register you for one?

What the shirt says or suggests is far from that.

“Has Islam sold its soul to politics?”

Only to illiterate people who prefer Fox News over an encyclopedia. Everyone else can understand the extent to which religion is used as a political tool in the region, and those who bother reading about the core values of the faith understand the difference between culture/politics and religion.

And even if you are too lazy to actually do your research, this doesn’t mean that you lump religion in a particular category and you especially should not make the hideous mistake of stereotyping all Muslim individuals and accusing them of doing things a very small minority are guilty of. That’s like singling out an attack by a small group of Americans and then looking at you, going “way to go, asshole!” That’s exactly the type of stupidity that we are being forced to put up with on a daily basis.

Put simply, anyone who sees “intifada” and equates it with religious extremism is of course going to be insulted and threatened by it, because ignorant people are easily offended. If you had read and attempted to undertand the historical and political implications perhaps you would be asking tougher and more thought provoking questions but until then…

Or.. do you mean.. Islam is mixed up in politics? So mixed that if you mention one you mention the other?
Gasp! Really? Has Islam sold its soul to politics?

Only painfully ignorant people hear “Arab” and immediately think “Islam.”

I implore you to read books every once in a while.

“The phrase “you probably think..” was directed at you.”

It doesn’t change the fact that you took a post completely irrelevant to Islam and made it about the faith. Why don’t you go back and read your flawed statements, smart guy? Do you bring up Islam as soon as you see the Arabic language or discuss political activities from the region? Because in this post you did. Your rants were based on religion and not my culture or politics.

How do you equate intifada with nuking NYC? You really think that such shirt suggests your death? Wow, you are more paranoid than I thought. People this paranoid usually end up with tumors. You should be careful. We don’t want you dying in the hands of Muslims now do we? That would just be awful.

You don’t think so good, Es…

oh no r u gonna tell this to my ‘ma

Why do you think SUNY was requested to change its name?

Mecca is a place held dear. Maybe some people hold NYC and the USA as very valuable too.

You don’t think so good, Es…

I have not mentioned religion, the subject is threatening/insulting/politically inflamatory T shirts.

Yes you did.

Reference #1 – “T shirt suggestion: NUKE MECCA”

Religious reference.

#2 – “The other day I read SUNY was requested to change its name to soothe the feelings of muslims.”

Referring to Muslims. Followed by various of such ignorant rants concerning the religion, including this one:

“You probably think that muslim feelings are more important than ours.”

So hush your sassing!

Intifada doesn’t have much to do with Islam, either. What, now you’re confusing it with “Jihad,” the other term that has been unbelievably misused and ill-defined?

Why did you associate this thread with Islam and Muslims right away?

Consider Yaman’s post again:

The best way to achieve our political goals of pushing people to action, as well as our cultural goals of fighting fear of the Arabic language, is to increase both our political and cultural visibility. We have designed the t-shirt below with those goals in mind.

Cultural and political. Where the hell does it say religious?

You see what I find so absurd about people (oh sorry, we’re suppose to be using humor here, I mean “infidels!”) is that anything “different” is associated with a religion that they most likely don’t know a fact about, including this cultural/political movement of sorts that has nothing at all to do with the Muslim faith. But you just had to go off on a rant on Muslims. Brilliant, you are. Totally went against Yaman’s point about xenophobic reactions.

Thank you for making us all realize how important this is.

Go back to watching the 700 Club Internet Rambo.