Jihad is a Justification of Aggression
The main difference between Islam and other conventional religions is that Islam is not only a religion, but a social order, a strict, disciplinary, and inflexible set of moral, ethics, rules, and even the most private aspects of privacy; therefore, Islam is a political entity claiming “al-Islam w’ l dawla” (Islam is the state).
To understand this important characteristic, we have to consider the comparison between the status of the Prophet of Islam, also as the founder of Islamic state, with the status of the other main prophets like Jesus and Moses: Muhammad was responsible to lead the Islamic community “Ummah”, whereas Jesus was neither in such a position to become a political leader nor had enough lived (32) to achieve a ruling position. His here-after kingdom was not for this world. Moses had the “mission” to guide his followers to the Promised Land, but in the literary sense of the word, he was not a political leader.
This is quite obvious that in a leadership, the leading system needs the repressive organs to impose its “holy” leadership when people do not bow to it. In the case of Islamic society ruled by Islamic states, if “mild” moral or ethnic guidance do not function, Jihad is the only functional alternative to bring order. Now, this is only the inner function of jihad when the Islamic society is ruled by an Islamic ruling system and the society is called “Umma”.
So, what happens to the “Dar-al-Kufr” (territory of non-Muslims)? It is obvious that it is the ultimate goal of Islam to expand the “Dar-al-Islam” (territory of Islam) in the determent of “Dar-al-kufr”. For this “irrefutable” Islamic duty, jihad was and remains the most effective weapon of Islam to expand its “Dar-al-Islam”.
Through act of jihad, Non-Muslims of “Dar-al-kufr” were forced to abandon their belief and identify to enjoy Dar-al-Islam. Early Jihadis destroyed the most advances cultures of the ancient time like that of Iran, Egypt and Syria to impose a barbaric culture of primitive Arabian Pagans.
Today, whatever definition alleviates, softens, or attempts to grotesquely modernise the notion of jihad, it is the most barbaric and aggressive factor of an ever existing “holy” entity of “Dar-al-Islam”. It justifies the hegemonic of “Dar-al-Islam” and is the “holy” strategy of Islamic imperialism of ”al-Islam w’ l dawla”.
Jihad, in any conceptual interpretation, does not recognise any “game” of permanent peace because such a permanent peace does not necessarily match to the necessary expansion of “Dar-al-Islam”. Islam without “holy” jihad could never reach its today’s expansion.
Jihad is a duty of any Muslim; only through it Islam could survive. It is not only to expand “Dar-al-Islam”, but also to impose the “holy” and absolute despotism of the Islamic ruling institutions on the “Umma”, as it is the case of “Velayat-e Faghih” (absolute power of the Supreme Leader) in Iran.
Unlike the European institutions which received the legitimacy from Roman law, but without any forced imposition of Christianity, the institutions under Islamic states are run by “al Islam w’ al dawla”, as it is the case in Iran and Saudi Arabia. If Catholic Church was a parallel institution during the period of the Inquisition, the Mosque has now gained a status of a ruling institution.
Thanks to such institutions, Islam was not fated out in the course of history like many other social advents.
It was thought when the Prophet passed on that the “Dar-al-Islam” had started its sudden end. However, Islam was already institutionalised; it was an ideological tool of the politically established ruling class.
It was soon clear that Muhammad’s successors had ambitions to expand the ”Dar-al Islam”. When the Persian Sassanyd Dynasty became week, the Islamic invaders turned on Romania and Iran, who were both exhausted from the longest and harshest war they had ever fought against each others.
The Roman position in Syria and Egypt was also compromised by the Monophysite heresy of the locals, and its suppression by Imperial authorities. Thanks to jihadi invaders, it began a new era of ”Seif-al-Islam” (sword of Islam) in the world. The sword conquered and islamised a great part of the world through the interpretation of jihad–the sword is still on the flag of Saudi Arabia representing an emblem of the Golden Ages of Islamic Caliphate.
The first Caliphs were all either fathers-in-law or sons-in-law of the Prophet of Islam. The holy character of Caliphs was explained and supported by the claim that they were all regarded as the only necessary rulers of God’s state. In other words, they were the early rulers of the “al-Islam w’l dawla”.
All these Caliphs, successors of the Prophet, like the prophet himself, were not desert nomads of the Arabia, but instead from the high civil class of the Arabian society, which was then a prerequisite for gaining status in the ruling class. They propagated the idea that in early Judaism and Christianity, a few numbers of people could be chosen by God for a specific purpose. “The Caliph must be a man from the tribe of wealthy and well-known Qoreish” because its members, like Muhammad, were implicitly presented as the leading tribe chosen by God.
The holy period of the “Rightly Guided Caliphs”, all of who were relatives, ended in a power struggle. The ”Ijma” (consensus of the Prophet’s followers) lost the “brotherly” sense in the quest for power, all in the sense of jihad.
The mighty relatives of Othman blamed his murder on Ali, the Prophet’s close follower, cousin, and son-in-law. Ali was not in the position to exert his authority against Othman’s rule over “Dar-al-Islam”. The “bloody shirt of Othman” was thereafter considered a largely cynical ploy by the Umayyad to further their own cause, which soon was to triumph at Ali’s death. The result of this action brought different fates to the lives of his sons. One of his sons (Hassan) kept silent and the other one (Hussein) was killed.
But the “Martyrdom” of Imam Hussein was not the only characreistic of the advent of Shism, it gave another definition to jihad: jihad in Shism is more inspired by the bloodshed of a battlefield in Karbala, where Imam Hossein was martyred.
Jihad under the Shiite IRI represents the Khomeini’s death-fatwa which resulted into the collective massacre of political prisoners in Iran. Jihad means “Atom-Allah” when nuclear weapons find their “holy” sense of “Seif-al Islam”, a new weapon replacing the “rusty” sword of “Dar-al Islam”.
Jihad both in the past and presence remains in actuality a justification of aggression.

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Jihad by definition does not translate into violence. It translates into sacrifice and consistent efforts. You sacrifice your power and comfort to the will of God. Waking up in the morning to pray: That is an example of “Jihad.” Giving money to the poor despite yourself being poor, that is another example of “Jihad.” You sacrifice for good will which is the will of God. Islam was not intended to be a religion that spreads itself through the sword. That is why the Quran acknowledges other religions and gives rights to members of such religions through ensuring that they too can enter heaven.
This is also an interesting comparison:
Another source:
So really, all this tedious talk of Islam and Quran being the only “evil” religion/followers in this world is getting predictably boring.
“There is a darker side to the sacred text that many Christians will not admit.”
Uh, precisely. Even if the Bible does contain “dark” passages, Christians refuse to use them as justification for random violence against strangers. By contrast, the only common denominator to Muslim violence is not any of the routinely advanced rationalizations (poverty, “defense” of Islam, etc) – but the literal text of the Koran. The more “violent” quotes you pull from the Bible, the greater the dichotomy you actually establish between Islam and Christianity. How is it that Christians are able to hold to a moral compass while Muslims delight in using the Koran as an excuse for every barbarity possible?
Esra’a
Alms, given to the poor, altruism, pray, sacrifice at the end of Ramadan these are ok or religiously good deeds, bur have their definition in Islam. All of these have conceptually nothing in common with jihad.
I am not responsible for a fundamentalist interpretation of Christianity or any religion. For me, the ideal world is a world of humanism, justice, and freedom, for which I see no need of religion.
Jahanshah Jihad means sacrifice. Alms is a completely different matter than merely giving to the poor (al-Zaka) out of a deedful obligation. A form of Jihad is sacrificing food, comfort, free time, for the sake of good deeds. Jihad in the context of war would mean sacrificing your security and freedom for God. It does NOT mean “violence” in the name of Allah. We have a phrase in Arabic that says “Jahid fee sabeel il Islam” which is also used to refer to the morning prayers (sacrifice your sleep and pray to satisfy God.)
Then perhaps you can focus on other issues instead of breeding contempt for Islam when other religions have just as much violence. Why don’t you preach humanism and justice for a change instead of inciting the opposite?
Esra’a
I take your “Jihad-fi sabi-Allah” this phrase has been used to expand the Dar-al-Islam. What is its logical with “Al-Zakat”?
My focus is on the overall implication of your post. Your conclusion is extremely misleading and shows a lack of understanding of what this word actually means and what it implies within the Quran itself.
Here is another source to explain what I said better:
And from the same source, another meaning of this is explained:
- Qur’anic Studies
Therefore, Jihad is NOT a justification for “aggression,” but rather a completely misunderstood term that people continue to fabricate to further their own ideologies against Islam.
“Why don’t you preach humanism and justice for a change instead of inciting the opposite?”
Seriously, these so-called “humanists” are in reality nothing but a bunch of hypocrites trying to kiss up to their neo-con masters.
Oh okay, do you mean like when Bush accepted the word of “God” and attacked a nation full of innocent people because God apparently told him to do so? Is that Christianity or just your president’s utter incompetence?
Here’s another example:
– Read full text
So please, don’t give us that “Christians don’t attack anybody” when some do follow their religion by committing violence to others. Christians who advocate to nuke Iran are also no better. They claim that Muslims are “Satan.” You can see the video yourself here.
Is nuking an entire country not an act of violence?
Don’t intentionally misunderstand the article. What it meant is that for the most part, Christians deny that these things even happen in the name of religion. How many Christian human rights activists do you see condemning such errors? I don’t see many. But a huge part of Muslim youth are taking part in condemning and protesting against terrorism.
Esra’a
You may argue that the IRI is a quisling entity that has betrayed Islam and its people, its tradition, and the Islam of Sunnis. In this case you are still a Muslim looking for a renaissance of the Glorious Islamic Times.
But I do not criticise the IRI for the same reasons. For me, it is a parasite in any form and standard. However let me confess that I personally do not believe in Gissas, if I could, I would let these genocide criminals free, but would never forgive their ills inflicted to millions of poor people. This is my altruistic concept of “al-zakat”.
Jahanshah the IRI does things for its own interests and not for the interests of Islam.
No, it makes me a Muslim advocating for human rights which I strongly believe in. I still practice my faith on a daily basis and still fight for human rights. What is the problem with doing both which millions of Muslims do?
Also Bush and a crowd of Christian fundamentalists are dangerous.
Esra’a
No matter how you judge the IRI, the question is what is the ideology on which the IRI is based. Can you criticise Hitler trying to justify its ideology?
The IRI often arrests peace activists who merely question the legitimacy of their government (not their faith) which is not against Islam. Punishing them is a political reaction and not one based on faith. It uses Islam as a tool and it claims that many of their policies are based off of religious texts when they are not. Hijab-reqiurement for example is not an obligation in Islam, in fact in the Arabic text of the Quran there is not a single verse that says “hair.” The hijab within the text referred to coverage of the bosoms (breasts) and not a woman’s hair. Why use Islam? It’s a strategy used to gain blind public support. Doesn’t have much to do with the faith itself.
Thus one cannot possibly assume that the IRI is a direct representation of Islam when such a simple policy has been fabricated and re-published as an Islamic “rule” when it’s not supported by Quranic text.
Thanks Jahanshah Rashidian for providing a very accurate account of Jihad (Q 2:217) in Islam.
MA Khan
islam-watch.org
All this talk-words mean nothing. People are judged by there deeds. What has Islam, in all it’s history, contributed to the betterment of mankind? Have they genetically engineered food crops which can feed the third world? NO! Have they cured any disease? NO! Did they discover a way to use electricity to light the world? No! What has Islam done for it’s people? Not a thing! Every major invention that makes life in todays world comfortable or free from disease has come from the Judeo-Christian world. Islam destroys whatever it gets its hands on.
MA KHAN
Thank you too for bringins Islam under anothe scrutiny.
Mike Duncan, you are completely ignorant of the many things that Muslims contributed (Religion, you genius, does not “contribute” anything physically.) Memebers of religion contribute things to HUMANITY – not to a specific religion. Seriously, I cannot comprehend how stupid you are to believe otherwise, that religion is what “contributes” and not people via science, math, philosophy, and not via PERSONAL BELIEF SYSTEMS.
Please come back once you’ve taken a lesson or two on history. Read this comment to enlighten your whiny ignorant self on the many things that Muslims did throughout history.
Islamic holiness is barbaric, regarding the upper post.. the jews (estimated 25 million) had won more nobel prize than the muslims (1 billion?) so you think praying 5 times a day to allah works? i dont think so.. 1 billion muslims praying (5x a day?? allah must be really thirsty for this) for israel to be wiped out hasnt been heard, perhaps that is why muslims “recruits” other faiths to islam.. islam needs 6 billion (5x a day) prayers for their prayer to be heard (by that time, all are muslims.. and only 30 million jews.. so dont take it a miracle if jews been wiped out) instead israel is pushing muslims around.. muslims are the vilest of animals, no originality and always defending their religion like.. “look at them, they are doing evil things too we are not the only one…” thing.
Duncan
You are right, Islam, like any non-reformed religion, has been an obstacle put in Muslims’way to bog them in the backwardness. This lack, especially when consciously, is and makes problem for the Islamic societies who are now under the yoke of their Islamic states.
We all must push back this political Islam in its most condined backfront.
if muslims are so great they should not use judeo-christian technology like electronic speakers on their mosques… its too degrading for them, why use our technology to call muslims to prayer? why not ask allah to give “super strength” voice to the one shouting “allahhhh hu akbar! may allah bestow peace on him and his companions (wives or the virgins?)”.. haha
This thread is absolutely dispicable. It’s like a refuge for the mentally retarded.
Robocopy
This is a cheap recant. The West advanced when people got rid of the Inquisition-Christianity. Islam had no Renaissance, therefore looks more backward, otherwise it has the same “Opiate” function.
Mike Duncan that last statement was completely ignorant.
Muslims were basking in intellectual discovery while Europeans were bumbling around in the dark ages. Baghdad, Cairo, Istanbul, Esphahan, Tripoli were all centers of learning, science, medicine and government. Islam was responsible for the first hospitals. Architecture took on a completely new dimension with contributions from Islamic influences. Literature and philosophy were expanded upon and furthered by the translations done from the Greek and Latin by Arabic sages. Mathematics especially was the benefactor of brilliant Islamic and Arab scholars. Ever heard of Al-Jaber (not sure on actual arabic term)? Or better for you to understand…Algebra.
Where are you getting your information, Ann Coulter? Listen bud, the actions of some wackos cannot reflect the contributions of an entire culture spanning 1300 years!
Read a book.
Then tell me judeo-christian inventors who actually said that “west advances because we got rid of christianity-inquisition”? not just your cheap recant.. you telling me about inquisitions (try crusades next time) gives a hint of muslim stains in you
You should all be ashamed of yourselves. You are generalizing, slandering, did you not take any courses in college worth the money you paid. Where was the intellectual discussions and insightful comments that this site attracted?
Pitiful.
It is because of the nature of Fariborz’s and Jahanshah’s posts that such commenters have left:
- From Kamangir’s blog (about MEY)
This is just one person out of dozens leaving each week because they cannot handle being in a place that attracts such ignorance and hatred.
I am sorry, but for the sake of our website, we need to immediately act upon those whose only purpose is to have hate fests within their threads. It is apparent that with this approach, nothing can be achieved, but much can be lost (such as many people leaving this place.) We have a duty to maintain our credibility.
You know what’s so pathetic? Islam bashers, like we see on this thread, are convinced that their views and attitudes are actually going to make the world a better place, as if their scab-picking hatred is a process through which people will grow and elevate themselves. And then they say Islam destroys without paying attention to their own destructive behavior, in which they tear down entire communities in a manner that suggests Muslims are beyond hope, and therefore should somehow be institutionalized into despair merely because of their identity; all the while having their individual characteristics rendered inconsequential because of how they pray. It’s outrageous and just another method to de-sanctify humanity for the sake of a political agenda.
EVEN IF it were true that “Islam has produced nothing good,” which is a ridiculous concept, it doesn’t justify kicking an entity for it’s failures rather than focusing on trying to cultivate those seeds that can build success, and therefore overcome its troubles. What’s so amazing about MEY is that it elevates marginalized voices to foster a new era of intergroup relations directly within the Muslim community. Yet, rather than cultivate the work that happens here, the bashers prefer to associate MEY’s bloggers with the very forces they seek to overcome because of their religion, feel justified in their self-righteousness, and of course, will insist they are not haters or bigots. Thanks for the daily dose of corruption.
We are now witnessing public egomania in which some people have chosen to elevate themselves by claiming collective success in things they have had no personal part in; and then comparing their illicitly claimed victories against billions of people they’ve never met, specifically to give themselves a sense of supremacy. And that’s supposed to devalue an era of interfaith rivalry, and henceforth bring peace to Muslims and non-Muslims alike, right!
Anyone who is not willing to evaluate a person on his/her own merits in order to determine whether it’s worth cooperating, limits countless options and the power of choice to get the best partners possible. I find it really sad that there are still people in this world dumb enough to do that.
I understand why many in the west may have a very distorted view of what they perceive as Islam and Muslims. Of course. Its natural. I am one of those westerners. But I am not a sheep and nor should any of you be. Islam has indeed been hijacked by terrorists and they are succeeding by driving a wedge between people regarding the subject.
Apparently none of the bashers above have the salt to look past the illusions and wool pulled over their eyes by the same people who they are against. C’mon folks. Wake up. This is the issue of the day and it is going to take a little more than assumptions and name calling to fix it. Bombs wont do it either.
With every insult you hurl toward Muslims and Islam you are playing right into the hands of the people who want a war. You sheep! You need to use the brain God gave you look past the name calling and news you see in the agenda laden media. This issue involves real people and real people are who you are too.
Before you post please read our legal page and our comment policy. If you don’t want to, get bent.
Under no circumstances I repent my ideas. This word “repentant” is used in IRI’s prisons when prisoners are forced to become the fowlers of their tortures. In a free site out of IRI’s tortures, let people talk freely, even if some teens spew out nasty words.
Jahanshah,
Spewing nasty words is unacceptable and is simply a disservice to the goal of the site. No one is telling you to repent your ideas. Just be the better and more enlightened poster by providing something to think about, rather than something to get pissed about.
MEY is not a free willy nilly post what you will site. We should be trying to encourage discussion, cooperation, understanding and good will. Not just some dispensary of dumb comments and ideas with little to back them up.
Trash talk shouldn’t be dismissed as “free talk.” There’s a difference between constructive debates and “nasty words” that seem to hijack all of your posts (with your full approval, it seems!)
This site is losing its readership, reputation, and credibility all because of your supposed “free talk” to whom no one is gaining anything from.
This is not what this site intends to be. Please contribute elsewhere if you enjoy watching such hatred go unmoderated here. This is a respectful site with rules.
Thank you, Omid. Freedom of speech should be upheld and not overly micromanaged if we’re going to build a process where democratic institutions are respected. However, an elevated usage of free speech is to use it in a way that engages others in dialogue rather than merely stand up on a soapbox and barf out ones views in an aggressive and authoritarian manner.
Omid
We should of course do our best to respect other’s opinions, but all feedbacks are not on the same freqence. logic or not, this a quite expectedly human characteristic in a free world.
We are not asking to post solid intellectual equation type discussion. Just be humane and concerned with a high goal. Just because you can say something or think it should be said, doesn’t mean you should.
Don’t get me wrong. A little controversy is good and keeps the spirit of debate and exchange healthy. But, when it becomes hateful, slanderous or simply inciting, it is completely contradictory to the goals of this site.
Jahanshah:
which it calls Islam Polity
Very well articulated article. Thanks.
That position could easily be rebutted by stating that any religion, depending on your interpretation can spill over into any aspect of life. Ultra-orthadox Jews, Opus Dei Catholics for example have avery strict interpretations of their religions that calls for every part of life to be managed by religious tradition.
I know many Muslims who simply ignore the rubbish that they are fed from fanatics and simply live the life that they can. That is all we can do anyway. As you all see, any society whose government is bent on enforcing rigid interpretations is bound to implode. Its only a matter of time.
Esra’a:
Wow!
An extremist Islamist didn’t like my post! But why did he comment on other website? Does it connect him that site or what? Doesn’t he have courage to stand up and talk here?
Rest of your comments is baseless and I want this article to stay in track! So I am not bothering to reply to the rest.
Fariborz,
I think you have a lot of misplaced frustration. I think your posts would be less scrutinized if it were directed at specific subjects, not a people or religion in general. These broad strokes at the entire culture is really shallow. Step it up and put some more thought into the sources of your comments and what made you come to those conclusions. For example, on your blog you are making very general comments and the women wearing the Islamic swim wear. Instead of talking about those women and how dumb they are, why not talk about how the interpretation of the Hijab has been misinterpreted to the point of really bad fashion statements.
You are full of content and no doubt your posts generate discussion but I think there could be more depth if you tried.
What an interesting thread.
Jahanshah is completely right in the statement;
“The main difference between Islam and other conventional religions is that Islam is not only a religion, but a social order, a strict, disciplinary, and inflexible set of moral, ethics, rules, and even the most private aspects of privacy; therefore, Islam is a political entity claiming “al-Islam w’ l dawla” (Islam is the state).”
As Westerners we have been taught to accept other, consider other points of view and even if we reject someone view still be able to live civilised with them. Which is why the statement below comes from a Western point of view, “EVEN IF it were true that “Islam has produced nothing good,” which is a ridiculous concept, it doesn’t justify kicking an entity for it’s failures rather than focusing on trying to cultivate those seeds that can build success, and therefore overcome its troubles’. The truth is Islam produces nothing.
Just look at any Islamic country and you will see oppression of minority groups, minority religions, disrespect for, the historical monuments and churches of other groups, honour killings, suppressed women, and you will see failing economies, if the Middle East did not have oil, Islam would be dead. ALL the Middle East economies produce less than the small state Israel when you take oil out of the equation. Take Gaza as an example, some charity paid the owners of the very successful greenhouse business to leave it intact for Palestinians when the settlements where withdrawn. It was a very successful business 10M of dollars employing 100 of Palestinians. Today it’s in ruins; ruined by those it was to help. If we look at refuges, the West has taken millions and given them home. Islamic countries not only cause most of the refuges but also does little to help them. The Saudis rich in oil dollars consider the building a mosque as aid!! Even those from Darfour prefer Israel to an Islamic country! Israel on the other hand has adsorbed Millions of Jews driven out of Muslim lands where they were treated as second class citizens.
Even the so-called golden age of Islam was a long time ago and was more the result of captured nations rather than Islamic ability. We should remember that North Africa, most of the Middle East, Turkey where Christian nations for 500 years BEFORE Islam. That they where forced to convert at the point of the sword. If you have doubts about this see what Islam did to the Arminians, its an example of the last 1000 years. And because Islam is a ‘Social, political and cultural’ identity, “overcoming their troubles’ is very difficult when in Iraq and Pakistan you have the local hair stylist for men shot because he cuts beards, or you shoot the guy who delivers ice because Mohammad did not have access to it!
The statement that “Jihad is NOT a justification for “aggression,” but rather a completely misunderstood term that people continue to fabricate to further their own ideologies against Islam” is just a plain lie. The person is ignorning the words, actions and history of Islam, the Koran and Mohammad. Also Millions of Muslims agree it is justification for “aggression,” Just look at the mobs of hatred that Islam can quickly provide. See what was achieved over the so called flushing of the Koran down the toilet, yet Muslims smuggle drugs from Pakistan in cut out Korans, while in Gaza Hamas and Fatah accuse each other of defiling Islam with picture of damaged Koran and yet we hear no protest from any Islamic nation or even one Muslim!
Then if you compare Islam and Christianity the differences are very startling,
Islam 4 wife’s – Christian 1 wife
Islam divorce is allowed on making the statement 3x‘I divorce you’- Christian God hates divorce.
Islam Heaven is mostly men – Christian anyone who follows the Son gains heaven.
Islam women are not equal even before God – Christian Women are equal before God.
Islam the prostitute and adulteresses are executed – Christian Jesus forgave the prostitute and adulteress and said sin no more.
Islam Entry of heaven at the whim of god – Christian its a promise of God
Islam Before entry god considers the good & bad a person has done. – Christian the believer is instantly safe in heaven
Islam Murders (suicide bombers) instant entry to heaven – Christian only murders who have sought the forgiveness of God will entry. Murders dying in the act of the crime would NOT be accepted.
Islam heaven is a house of prostitution with virgins for the men. – Christian there are no men or women, all become new creatures.
Islam heaven is about making the after life one long party – Christian heaven is all about being at peace with God.
Islam a martyr is someone who dies in battle – In Christian a martyr is some who dies telling others about God.
Islam is all about being a slave in submission – Christian is about being adopted as a son or daughter of God.
Islam is about making war with those not considered Muslim – Christian is about taking the message of the Gospel, the God news of God to all peoples.
Islam allows forced conversions acceptable – Christian forced conversions NOT acceptable
Islam Prayer is the repetition of the same words – Christian Prayer is talking to God.
Islam god is unknowable and distant – Christian God wants us to know Him and is very personal.
Islam there is no peace until Islam rules the world – Christian there is peace when God rules the individual.
Islam the message in Arabic is only the true word – Christian the Word is for all mankind in any language
Islam learning to say the Korean in Arabic even if you do not understand the Arab language Islam a great thing – Christian Learning the Bible in another language that you do not understand is meaningless.
If the world were ours to give, who would we give it to? God made the world; can we give back what he already owns? If we kill all those who do not believe the same as us, will this please God? Did he not make all humankind? If I kill myself in the service of God will he not be pleased? Do you remember who gave you life only He should take it? God could have made us slaves to His will, yet He gives us all freedom of choice. Clearly all mankind is evil at heart. So surely it is in the hearts and minds of the individual that should seek God? Do we worship because we are compelled by are birth, or by who our parents are, by our country or culture? God said seek me and you will find me! Jeremiah 29:13, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God, Romans 5:1 Seek the righteous and peace of God and be saved Matthew 6:33 The Word of God should change people to seek God and not to kill mankind.
Please, wake up the Inquisition is over, the Golden Ages of Caliphate is the obvious heritage for the corrupt houses of some Sheiks and Akhunds.
Look at the horizon around the Persian Gulf, the Caspian, the Red Sea, the Gulf of Oman and watch the ships moving in a far horizon, now just convince yourselve that the earth is really round!
Even the church shamefully had to believe it. Your anthropomosphically geocentric world is moving and evolving.
Do not believe the Bible or any “Holy” Book, the belief of “Flat Earth” does not lead you to Paradise of wisdom, but to a Paradise of your wet dream.
Yet another small attempt to bash Islam. I am feeling very bored responding to these comments. Seriously, where is the real content?
ME, has neatly laid out views that fit the World view of divisive and combative people. You may believe what you write but is it what we need to hear? No.
Clearly you have no concern for other peoples feelings or how your comments may hurt people. Why don’t we go into the pedophile priests that infest clergy’s and churches the World over? Why don’t we talk about how modern missionaries coerce and swindle people into converting?
You foolish commentators are so quick to write off an entire billion people the World over because of what you have seen in the news or interpret as Islam. Didn’t your mother ever teach you to think?
Again and again I see the very same tactic used to justify hate speech. You keep assuming that the intangible religion itself is responsible for the actions of its misguided followers.
Every religion has its wolves. It should be stated again and again, you cannot make such conclusions based on the actions of a few bad apples and the naive and masses that are easily riled by calculating manipulators.
Again, so easy it is to fling an insult, why don’t you try and be productive and figure out solutions on how to solve these problems that plague us as humanity today???
How dare you try to quote the Bible to justify the insults you write. Shame on you.
Jahanshah,
Clearly, Islamic accomplishment as a whole had a zenith. Right now, the political landscape of the Islamic World is populated by hypocritical and tyrannical regimes from Morocco to Pakistan.
We can point the finger all day long at who and what is evil. Duh.
Why not flex our intellectual muscle and give the watchers and monitors who read this site something to consider, instead of who they can jail.
All I am saying is that this site would have much more clout if it picked itself out of the muckraking and dirty dealings that all too often jack the threads.
It has been revealed that one of the Koreans killed by the Taliban died rather then convert to Islam. All 23 were tortured. The women were raped repeatedly. This does not happen at the behest of any Christian church. Only Islam seems to believe such things are loved by God. Jihad means violence and anyone who tells you different is lying to you. Islam is a violent religion in need of reform.
are you trying to call the Taliban muslims?
Try again.
James your comment was Coulterish. Do you have anything worth the time to type it to say?
It is unfortunate that these things and conversion by force is never a good thing. I admire the South Korean who died rather that give up his faith.
God curse the Taliban and their barbaric interpretation. Far too often it is silly people like you who associate Islam with the wackos out there on the news.
This is true–the KKK are true representations of Christian America. Its true! Why don’t you believe it? C’mon they have so much courage and have such good ideas based on the Bible. KKK is a wonderful organization!
This is what you sound like.
I have no use for you or god. If you are not against them, then you are with them. You can spout all the crap you want about how peaceful your religion is, it doesn’t matter. You still have many in your ranks that represent you, your country and your religion that want to kill everyone who doesn’t believe the way they do. There is nothing peaceful about that. Yet you tolerate, and even expain their terror on other humans. This country (my country, the United States) was founded on freedom of religion, so don’t expect us to understand or tolerate your foolishness, and desire to destroy the rest of the world. If we had it our way, the Iraqi people would coexist in harmony with all religions getting along, or at least not killing each other. When this spills out into other parts of the world, like it did on 9/11, its too late, now you have us to deal with until you wipe each other out or learn to live together peacefully. The rest of the world doesn’t want to hear the crap any longer.
This country does not tolerate the KKK. Every group, no matter how backwood or bad they are has a certain following. But our laws do not allow our religious or political choices to physically terrorize others.
Roy you are just the same as the Taliban except you dont have any teeth. You preach intolerance and generalize. c’mon man, did you graduate highscool?
I am not Muslim but I have the sense to make the distinction from crazies and good people. I am American and I served in the USAF so dont try and preach to me about what America is and isnt.
You have a lot to learn and so do many more of you. It is days like today I am ashamed of how ignorant some in my country are.
You comments have zero intellectual weight and really sound like the ramblings of an angry ex-preacher.
Do you have anything productive to say?
Omid, Do you have anything to say except to bash what others say? I haven’t heard you tell us how great Islam is or how killing each other over religion is such a good thng. I’m glad you served your country. Mine was 20 years in the Marines.
All I am saying is hat most people in this country want all people everywhere to live in peace and harmony with each other. When they don’t and it becomes a slaughter or is carried to our country, then we should and did take action. It may be too little, too late, but it is action. I would love nothing more than to see Islamic peoples live together peacefully, here and elsewhere. That doesn’t appear very likely at this point.
Why don’t these Islam-bashers put their money where their mouth is and go fight in Iraq?
I have a feeling Jahanshah and FariDork are nothing but spineless cowards unable to put their money where their mouth is and go fight.
Is JihadWatch and LGF getting too big for its own good now?
Amen.
This is the kind of talk we need.
Omid T:
There are sick minded people here and there! they want to scrutinize everything that they don’t like! I don’t give a damn to these kind of ideas! I write what I like. if you need to go depth I would happily enjoy your deep comments and will learn from you!
I agree. We do have sick minded people. But to isult the religion of the people who are trying to facilitate understanding and discussion in an open forum is very rude. The ideas that you are so against, fundementalism, intollerance, ignorace and fanatism are the exact same ideas we are against.
The people who are saying these things are part of Islam and people who don’t kill infidels, wear strict hijab, interpret certain things one way, and others another are the targets. We need to put pressure on the elements within fanatical Islam. The peaceful, open minded and tolerant people who want to reach out and help facilitate cooperation are not the target. You need to put your sights on bigger fish, not the ones that are on your side.
You will find many people who share your digust with certain interpretations that officials say is the only Islamic way. Believe me, I am a Baha’i. But I know to be a Muslim means to truly want peace above all else.
This is why I will continue to defend real Muslims and stand up to those bastards who think they represent the will of God and thus do whatever they want.
You are a very insightful poster but I still think there is much more effective ways for you to vent your frustrations. Don’t be a loaded gun who cant shoot strait.
The pen these days is stronger than the sword–learn how to cut through the fanatical people that have high jacked religion. They are every where.
I find it strange that I should feel compelled to defend Jahanshah, as I disagree with him on so many things. But I feel that he is unfairly being labeled somehow as anti-Islamic, as he doesn’t seem to target Islam as a whole, but only concentrates on criticizing the manifestations of political Islam.
And that he does with scholarly skill: his knowledge of what is going on in Iran, and his ability to explain the background thinking of all the politicized Islamic factions is priceless. In fact, I’ve learned more from him on the subject than anything that I’ve read in Main Stream Media.
My main objection with his views has to do with what I would call his excessive German welfare-statist orientation. I don’t know his background, but it’s obvious that he has a belief in traditional European Social Democratic principles, which I find to be so delusional, as all European welfare states are completely dependent on access to the less-taxed American consumer (thus European welfare states, in essence, are the most exploitative entities in the world).
This Islam-bashing by westerners on this site is also tiresome, as it doesn’t accomplish anything. However, Muslims should realize that they will fail when attempting to bash westerners for their Christian backgrounds. Most westerners are too lazy about religion to really care. And those westerners who are devout Christians are quite inured to Christianity-bashing, since they’ve already experienced that from their fellow countrymen on a fairly constant basis.
To be honest with you, so are your comments, like the ones above. So many times do you defend these people and the types of threads they produce and you actively take part in the fest. Read what PV and Omid said on why we find such posts distasteful instead of cluelessly jumping to their defense.
Finnpundit
As you correctly mentioned, I condemn political Islam, not Muslims. Those, Muslim or not, who label me Islamophobic should go for a while to Iran to honestly realise my views.
Muslims are the first victims of political Islams and any courageous, honest and democrat must analyse, criticise, ironies, and condemn any political ideology, which is based on both religion and secularism.
People who label me or my friends “anti-Islamic” have no interests or courage to denounce the real face of political Islam, one of the most barbaric and anti-human ideology.
Social protectionism in Germany helps also many Muslims living in Germany. The system exists in other European countries as well; this social protectionism is not like “economic” protectionism in the US which only protects the national productivity of some shareholders.
Socialism in France and Social Democracy in Germany represent a great heritage of the Renaissance, a social evolution which never happened in the Islamic world.
Ersa’a
I wonder, what the deal with you is. You make accusations that the likes of me attack Islam, which is patently false.
If you wish to be truly enlightened, bravo! Let’s hope that’s the case. Just take a deep breath and look at the other side of the Persian Gulf, in a few hundrad kilometers from Bahrain you have a very large prison called Iran. Think of these prisoners before making angry accusations.
Avoid inventing religious justifications for their ills, and using emotion in place of logic, which is why in a bigger scale is a factor that the Islamic world keeps going around in circles to begin with.
Get your facts straight from this prison. The mullahs destroyed both Iran and an image of Islam. They are the parasites of this region and once contaminate the other side of the Persian Gulf, you would better understand who is “clueless”.
No one is to destroy your religion. It remains to help your affinity with your people. Let me remind you my people became Muslim with the force of jihadi sword I developed in my article, this remains my pivotal idea.
This idea is also the growing and collective consciousness in Iran. Like it or not, this a process which hopefully achieves to free Iran and will mark the first Renaissance in the Middle East, including Bahrain.
Jahanshah,
Get over your arrogant self. This website has rules and if you don’t like it, go build your own website. Who is stopping you from doing that?
Website moderators should not shy away from deleting the posts or memberships of those who do not abide by the rules set forth by the founding members. Freedom of speech, if applied productively and for the sake of dialogu, does not mean speech that endangers others nor does it mean having the right to incite what was correctly referred to as a “hate fest.” As a reader of this website and also as an Arab-Christian interested in religious debate, I agree with PeacefulVanguard, Esra and Omid who have already allowed for such repeated articles to go too far which we now learned only incited the exact same threads. Not a single time was there a difference with the type of comments that the moderators are forced to clean up. This is not the quality that this site is obviously seeking.
Personally I used to comment more frequently here. Now I do not comment at all because of the level of animosity especially from people like Fariborz, and I am not even a Muslim! Anyone who disagrees with him he calls an extremist or ignorant. I disagree with most things Islamic and I posted in the past explaining why I dislike it. But the type of things posted here is just too much for many of us to stomach, even if we agree with some of it, the way it’s stated is just generalizing and justifying a lot of horrible things. Racism, discrimination, and hatred are not part of this website’s mission but they are the goal for thousands of other websites who do nothing but incite this type of rudeness.
My advice: Get rid of such authors if you are truly concerned about this website. Their wish is to attack and not to debate. Jahanshah I do not mind so much, but Fariborz especially thinks that he is above this website’s rules and I really do not see anything productive in his posts other than complaints of an angry maniac.
Thanks. It’s like when Facebook deletes hateful and racist groups and people call them Nazis for censoring content. Is it their fault for caring about their services and reputation?
We’ve pretty much had it.
Ersa’a
You just impulsively exploded again, you responded nothing but some routine words to my post. Do you want me to leave the site because of your dysfunctional and personal reaction?
Here you are again turning it into yet another personal attack.
Grow up. We added you here NOT out of obligation – but out of willingness to incite good debates, and you do not incite anything but hateful threads. That is our main concern with you. We sent you an e-mail regarding this yesterday – if you have a problem, e-mail us back and learn how to contain yourself instead of incessantly complaining. The e-mail outlined our exact problem with you. It has been forwarded to other members of this site’s management.
Again, we are NOT required to keep you here if we do not see you aiding our mission. We expressed quite clearly that we reserve the right to remove anyone we consider an interruption to what this site aims to achieve (hate fests is certainly not it.) All websites have policies, and ours is no exception. Simply find another to contribute to or find your own if you have no respect for this site’s policies. Thanks – and please refrain from complaining here again. Take it to e-mail where it belongs so that the other moderators don’t waste time fishing for comments to base a decision off of.
Jahanshah,
Your posts themselves are indeed a contribution to the site and I think they do capture the essence of the kind of goals that we are going after. But, unfortunately, they often get mired in mud slinging at Islam in general.
I realize that the comments that follow your posts are not controlled by you, but, you must realize that the result of such comments is not productive for the site.
We would like to be advocates and actively pursuing tangible goals. Simply exercising the ability to spit poison is ridiculous and needs to stop.
Omid T:
continue from last night!
where is that insult?
What does make you think open minded and tolerant people are target?
When did I do that?
That’s right!
And I’m talking about those bastards so why real Muslims (as you did say) feel offended in the site?
Salama:
have you ever written any comments on my posts? and what was my response? you’re whole bias accusation and lies! Grow up! if you want to
in your last comment, you wrote:
Damn how come we are always stuck with the usual rightwing fundies in this site?
I didn’t bother to respond because Finnpundit respond you very well:
Why are you so upset at hearing an alternative point of view? Whether you agree or not, such views can only broaden understanding.
It was good enough answer to your bias accusations!
Where did you learn to act like dictators? how do you work with your colleagues when they disagree with you? how about home? is this always your idea?!!!! grow up again!
Authors in no way, are responsible for comments. they can clean up hateful messages but it’s not post’s problem if some hateful commenters write something nasty! Like Danial! who is always on Esra’a side! but always talking nasty and dirty! have you ever heard that Esra’a says something about him? why not? because he supports Esra’a!
Religious debates?! so are you aware of what are you talking? it is controversial debate so welcome and participate in it! it always could be hateful comments, just we should delete it.
1. This level of animosity is in you that you called my name!
2. “I am not even a Muslim” so what? what does it to do with discussion? being a Muslim is a wrong thing? or is a crime?
You are biased! all over
otherwise you should prove evidence!
My advice to you;
1. Prove evidence with every biased accusations that you brought here.
2. You can’t debate! if you could debate instead of your attacks like above comment, you could change the course to a nice debate!
3. Learn how to talk
4. Don’t be rude! you couldn’t control your angry and htred towards my posts so here we are your personal attacks!
Interesting! these hatred comments towards my posts are coming from people who are advocating for good debates!
Jihad is at the core of Islamic ideology.
Jihad and islam is one entity. Message of jihad is loud and clear in the letters of
self style prophet of islam.
http://www.alkhilafah.net/letter.html
I request all the members to glimpse through it.
Censoring or deleting is the sign of weakness and intolerance to opposing view.
Here I see mullah Omid is very tactfully
preaching the greatness and glory of islam. I welcome it. But if some one challenges his islamic gospel immediately it painted as “hate fest”. No it can’t go in that way.
Mullah Omid? I smiled a little when I read that.
Halim we have no problem allowing comments like yours. But sometimes you do seem to generalize and talk without any support or proof. Its very ignorant. In a college you would get an F.
I am not Muslim and I do not stand up for people who are fanatics. What I do is bring you back down to reality and show you your own prejudices and ignorance–which is actually very easy to do.
We only delete comments when there is direct and unequivocal defamation and slander at one, or ones religion.
If you make a claim–like the one you made
Back it up! Give us real World examples instead of letters that are 1200 years old.
Would you like me to find letters from the Pope during the crusade that says kill all Muslims?
Come to reality and come to the table and play with the big boys.
Five Reasons Why, Among the “Great Religions,” Islam Is A Focus of Particular Opposition:
Reason #1:
(my bolding) The foregoing passage can be found here.
Reason #2: Muhammad said,
That bit of gentleness from Muhammad can be found here in the most canonical of hadith collections, Bukhari.
Reason #3:
The foregoing passage can be found here.
Reason #4: Since 9/11/01, thousands have died in Islamic terror attacks all over the globe. See here.
Reason #5: But perhaps the biggest reason many people focus worried scrutiny toward Islam is that it commands Muslims to use all kinds of means – such as persuasion (which would include voting), deception, terror, war, and demographic jihad (immigration and reproduction) — to spread the rule of Islamic law all over the globe, and to subordinate non-Muslims to the status of debased, second-class citizens. See Qur’an, Chapter 9, verse 29:
In response to concerns about efforts to impose Islamic law around the world, and of late particularly in Europe (see While Europe Slept, by Bruce Bawer) some respond that when Spain was dominated by Islam, it was a multicultural paradise for Christians and Jews. But even Maria Rosa Menocal, as Spencer points out
About Muslim Spain, Andrew Bostom and Bat Ye’or write:
With such scholarly references and conclusions the average reader may assume that Muslims and Islam are just meant for war.
But, common sense and real world wisdom point to other conclusions. As you so thoroughly pointed out, yes the Quran does make such references and yes, there appear to be a more proportionate amount that other religions.
My own take is above any attempt to blanket Islam as a religion of war.
You leave out completely references to the context Islam came about and to whom it was revealed–war mongering pagans in the middle of the desert. Could it be that all the huge references to war were simply meant for the sub human people that Muhammad whipped into shape, molding them and forcing them to another level of existence?
I think everyone is aware, or at least should be, that indeed, Muslims have to make a choice. Revert back to barbaric times, or apply what makes sense and what the World needs from them. I think a majority of Muslims do indeed realize what to take literally, figuratively, and allegorically. It is not for us to tell them “this is what your religion says”.
WHAT??????
Barbaric, slave trading, daughter burying pagans.
Muhammad’s revelation created a division in the status quo at the time and he made many, many enemies who did not accept his faith. He was engaged in battle after battle with these people and my suggestion was that much of the war talk was used to rally his followers to fight the pagans. AND…these same references used against them is being taken out of context for purposes of terror today.
I have no qualm over what Muhammad had to do during his day. It could be argued that the people during his day were some of the most backward on the Planet. Frankly, it is amazing simply from a historical point of view what he was able to do to the peninsula in such a short time.
Excuse me, Omid, but I don’t know who you think you are reserving the right for yourself to determine who is subhuman and who is not based upon your values. People have the inalienable right not to be dehumanized, period. And, quite frankly, I don’t trust you or anyone to determination a hierarchy of humanity.
Its my opinion, and I have a right to that. =-)
Sub-human may not have been the right word, but lets just say they are not the kind of people you would want over for tea!
all this arguments between voice of islam and voice of christianity , and where in both religion have plenty of things to point out , but hinduism which has suffered most at the hands of islam , what it has done to suffer at its hands , nothing , and no arguments holds, as the koran clearely prescribes what is in store for kafirs like me , but alas nations sleeps while civilasation weeps
A Hindu commenting about suffering?
Buddy, take a look at what your Hindu fanatics have been doing in India for decades! Torching a 15th century mosque, killing innocent Muslims in Gujrat, beating Indian Christian pastors, burning an Australian missionary alive after dragging him out of the Jeep in Orissa, torching movie sets that offend Hindu sensitivities (Deepa Mehta’s Water ring a bell?), and the bigotry from Hindutva/RSS/BJP jackasses, yeah that’s part of the fine peacefulness that Hindus hold.
There’s one arguement that these Hindu fanatics cannot answer, and that is how Hindus suffered at the “hands of Islam” when India has more Hindus than Muslims.
It’s ironic that a Hindu dares to comment about suffering, when they have no problem inflicting suffering on others, especially Christians.
Hindu fundos should keep a leash on themselves before commenting on others.
traeh, posting trash and one-sided BS from questionable idiots such as Robert Spencer and Bat Ye’or as well as citing JihadWatch as your references isn’t doing anything to strengthen your point.
Keep trying.