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		<title>By: Lessao</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/09/07/islam-in-germany/#comment-12725</link>
		<dc:creator>Lessao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>another anti-islam web :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>another anti-islam web <img src='http://www.mideastyouth.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Danial</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 03:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Homophobia…muslims immigrants in Germany are very homophobics. This point concerning muslim intolerance towards homosexual people. The neo-nazi youth are very intolerant of the Muslims immigrants as same as the Muslims are very intolerant of gays..Same shit…This my opinion…&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I take it that you&#039;ve never been to the American South.

Evangelical Christians are just as homophobic as Muslims are. Ever heard of a gay man named Matthew Shepard that was beaten and tied up to a fence left to die in Wyoming nearly 10 years ago?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Homophobia…muslims immigrants in Germany are very homophobics. This point concerning muslim intolerance towards homosexual people. The neo-nazi youth are very intolerant of the Muslims immigrants as same as the Muslims are very intolerant of gays..Same shit…This my opinion…</p></blockquote>
<p>I take it that you&#8217;ve never been to the American South.</p>
<p>Evangelical Christians are just as homophobic as Muslims are. Ever heard of a gay man named Matthew Shepard that was beaten and tied up to a fence left to die in Wyoming nearly 10 years ago?</p>
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		<title>By: Cris Wickman</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/09/07/islam-in-germany/#comment-12723</link>
		<dc:creator>Cris Wickman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 01:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Homophobia...muslims immigrants in Germany are very homophobics. This point concerning muslim intolerance towards homosexual people. The neo-nazi youth are very intolerant of the Muslims immigrants as same as the Muslims are very intolerant of gays..Same shit...This my opinion...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Homophobia&#8230;muslims immigrants in Germany are very homophobics. This point concerning muslim intolerance towards homosexual people. The neo-nazi youth are very intolerant of the Muslims immigrants as same as the Muslims are very intolerant of gays..Same shit&#8230;This my opinion&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jahanshah Rashidian (Iran/Germany)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jahanshah Rashidian (Iran/Germany)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 06:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dwave

Any extremist current has initially roots in some social problems. When some Nazi in Israel “defend” Israeli nationalism, or a bunch of non-white Nazi of  South Americans self-identified “Aryans”! We have an odd phenomenon in this mass mess attitude. It shows something is wrong with the society.

It is worse when a nationalist or “patriotic” state is at stake. The Nazi cowards who attacked a German dark citizen are as guilty as the state that does not effectively react, plus, German citizens who “look away and mumble” are guily as well—Unterlassene Hilfeleistung.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dwave</p>
<p>Any extremist current has initially roots in some social problems. When some Nazi in Israel “defend” Israeli nationalism, or a bunch of non-white Nazi of  South Americans self-identified “Aryans”! We have an odd phenomenon in this mass mess attitude. It shows something is wrong with the society.</p>
<p>It is worse when a nationalist or “patriotic” state is at stake. The Nazi cowards who attacked a German dark citizen are as guilty as the state that does not effectively react, plus, German citizens who “look away and mumble” are guily as well—Unterlassene Hilfeleistung.</p>
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		<title>By: dwave</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/09/07/islam-in-germany/#comment-12721</link>
		<dc:creator>dwave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to add something:
In Germany there is a huge fear of the wrath of militants. So &quot;appeasement&quot; is usually the modus operandi when dealing with issues like islamism - but also when dealing with other groups, like neo-nazis or pro-communist/leftist militants. In this environment it is exceptionally hard for those who feel oppressed by these groups. Be it the secular pakistani muslim who is harassed in the university cafeteria by islamists, or the slacker who is beaten up by skinheads in a random east-german town. Usually the victim pays the price. While the typical Germans looks away and mumbles &quot;Das gibts bei uns doch nicht&quot; (this doens&#039;t happen here).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to add something:<br />
In Germany there is a huge fear of the wrath of militants. So &#8220;appeasement&#8221; is usually the modus operandi when dealing with issues like islamism &#8211; but also when dealing with other groups, like neo-nazis or pro-communist/leftist militants. In this environment it is exceptionally hard for those who feel oppressed by these groups. Be it the secular pakistani muslim who is harassed in the university cafeteria by islamists, or the slacker who is beaten up by skinheads in a random east-german town. Usually the victim pays the price. While the typical Germans looks away and mumbles &#8220;Das gibts bei uns doch nicht&#8221; (this doens&#8217;t happen here).</p>
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		<title>By: Jahanshah Rashidian (Iran/Germany)</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/09/07/islam-in-germany/#comment-12720</link>
		<dc:creator>Jahanshah Rashidian (Iran/Germany)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 18:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please do not get me  wrong! I just made a subtle difference between peace and pacifism or in an ideological and political terminology, I made a difference between an “honourable” peace and “submission”.

Pacifists are absolutely against any war in any circumstances. Pacifism in a literal sense does not forcibly reach the ideals. A pacifist would preach peace as a moral gospel,but not as a final solution.
So, pacifism has little sense if you want to free your people in any price.

No matter where I live or do, I have my steady convictions. I have always said no military attack and no blind economic sanctions on Iran. However, Iranians have right to free their country by any means, including by means of non pacific self-defence.

True, Germany and the West use any war to sell off their weapons. Not only to Iraq, but also  Germany had until 1988 an amount of 45 billions DM due to the weapon sales to Iran over. I condemn any sales to belligerent countries.

Human rights, regardless its origin, must stand above any pririty and ideology, otherwise we lose the sense of freedom, as abused and misinterpreted by circumstances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please do not get me  wrong! I just made a subtle difference between peace and pacifism or in an ideological and political terminology, I made a difference between an “honourable” peace and “submission”.</p>
<p>Pacifists are absolutely against any war in any circumstances. Pacifism in a literal sense does not forcibly reach the ideals. A pacifist would preach peace as a moral gospel,but not as a final solution.<br />
So, pacifism has little sense if you want to free your people in any price.</p>
<p>No matter where I live or do, I have my steady convictions. I have always said no military attack and no blind economic sanctions on Iran. However, Iranians have right to free their country by any means, including by means of non pacific self-defence.</p>
<p>True, Germany and the West use any war to sell off their weapons. Not only to Iraq, but also  Germany had until 1988 an amount of 45 billions DM due to the weapon sales to Iran over. I condemn any sales to belligerent countries.</p>
<p>Human rights, regardless its origin, must stand above any pririty and ideology, otherwise we lose the sense of freedom, as abused and misinterpreted by circumstances.</p>
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		<title>By: RandallJones</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/09/07/islam-in-germany/#comment-12719</link>
		<dc:creator>RandallJones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 17:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Jahanshah Rashidian&lt;/strong&gt;, wrrote, &lt;em&gt; &quot;I am not pacifist, I prefer peace, but not under any circumstance.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Yes, while you living in Germany you have no problem with bombing Iran, but if you were living in Iran you would not like to have your home and family bombed.

Human rights did not develop in Western countries by having a foreign power preaching human rights to it while having bombs being dropped on it.  Human rights developed within the countries by the people living in those countries.


By the way Germany was one of those countries that was selling Saddam Hussein all sort of weapons (including chemical weapons)when he was committing his worst atrocities.  I wonder how many Germans went on trial for their war crimes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Jahanshah Rashidian</strong>, wrrote, <em> &#8220;I am not pacifist, I prefer peace, but not under any circumstance.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Yes, while you living in Germany you have no problem with bombing Iran, but if you were living in Iran you would not like to have your home and family bombed.</p>
<p>Human rights did not develop in Western countries by having a foreign power preaching human rights to it while having bombs being dropped on it.  Human rights developed within the countries by the people living in those countries.</p>
<p>By the way Germany was one of those countries that was selling Saddam Hussein all sort of weapons (including chemical weapons)when he was committing his worst atrocities.  I wonder how many Germans went on trial for their war crimes?</p>
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		<title>By: Jahanshah Rashidian (Iran/Germany)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jahanshah Rashidian (Iran/Germany)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 09:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like peace but not pacifism

As you said Ben Laden, like many Mullahs in the Iranian history, has been used than rebuffed by the world superpowers.

Ben Laden is not a superannuated terrorist guru. He was it too when he was the less harmful choice for the US.

But he has been so extreme that could not be adopted and rewarded by the mastr like any chubby Sheik.

Anti-war movements must also clearly reply to a case when a totalitarian regime like Saddam or the IRI do not give up the illegitimate power. In this view, there are pro-IRI anti war stooges, ASIMIC; they want absolute peace and protection for the bellicose Mullahs. They never mention the least report about the permanent human rights violation by these Mullahs, but exagerated reports against warning eventual foreign attacks on Iran, read Mullahs.

I am not pacifist, I prefer peace, but not under any circumstance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like peace but not pacifism</p>
<p>As you said Ben Laden, like many Mullahs in the Iranian history, has been used than rebuffed by the world superpowers.</p>
<p>Ben Laden is not a superannuated terrorist guru. He was it too when he was the less harmful choice for the US.</p>
<p>But he has been so extreme that could not be adopted and rewarded by the mastr like any chubby Sheik.</p>
<p>Anti-war movements must also clearly reply to a case when a totalitarian regime like Saddam or the IRI do not give up the illegitimate power. In this view, there are pro-IRI anti war stooges, ASIMIC; they want absolute peace and protection for the bellicose Mullahs. They never mention the least report about the permanent human rights violation by these Mullahs, but exagerated reports against warning eventual foreign attacks on Iran, read Mullahs.</p>
<p>I am not pacifist, I prefer peace, but not under any circumstance.</p>
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		<title>By: RandallJones</title>
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		<dc:creator>RandallJones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 07:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The United States trained and recruited Muslim extremists to fight its proxy war against the Russians.  When the Soviet Union was defeated, this resulted in its break up, making the United States the number one super power in the world.  In the meanwhile, millions of Afghans had been killed and the infrastructures had been destroyed.

Isreal had supported Hamas as a rival to the secular Yasser Arafat.

Here is an article about the long history of U.S. and British support and collaboration with Muslim extremists. http://www.antiwar.com/orig/oneill.php?articleid=9615
I&#039;ll quote part of it here:
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Initially the U.S., in its interventionist policies of the postwar period, adopted the British model of supporting radical Islamists in order to undermine popular secular governments or communist-influenced outfits in the Near and Middle East. This included supporting the Brotherhood against Nasser. In his book Sleeping With the Devil, former CIA officer Robert Baer said there was a &quot;dirty little secret&quot; in Washington in the early 1950s:

&lt;em&gt;&quot;The White House looked on the Brothers as a silent ally, a secret weapon against – what else? – communism. The covert action started in the 1950s with the Dulles brothers – Allen at the CIA and John Foster at the State Department – when they approved Saudi Arabia&#039;s funding of Egypt&#039;s Brothers against Nasser. As far as Washington was concerned, Nasser was a communist.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The United States trained and recruited Muslim extremists to fight its proxy war against the Russians.  When the Soviet Union was defeated, this resulted in its break up, making the United States the number one super power in the world.  In the meanwhile, millions of Afghans had been killed and the infrastructures had been destroyed.</p>
<p>Isreal had supported Hamas as a rival to the secular Yasser Arafat.</p>
<p>Here is an article about the long history of U.S. and British support and collaboration with Muslim extremists. <a href="http://www.antiwar.com/orig/oneill.php?articleid=9615" rel="nofollow">http://www.antiwar.com/orig/oneill.php?articleid=9615</a><br />
I&#8217;ll quote part of it here:</p>
<blockquote><p>
Initially the U.S., in its interventionist policies of the postwar period, adopted the British model of supporting radical Islamists in order to undermine popular secular governments or communist-influenced outfits in the Near and Middle East. This included supporting the Brotherhood against Nasser. In his book Sleeping With the Devil, former CIA officer Robert Baer said there was a &#8220;dirty little secret&#8221; in Washington in the early 1950s:</p>
<p><em>&#8220;The White House looked on the Brothers as a silent ally, a secret weapon against – what else? – communism. The covert action started in the 1950s with the Dulles brothers – Allen at the CIA and John Foster at the State Department – when they approved Saudi Arabia&#8217;s funding of Egypt&#8217;s Brothers against Nasser. As far as Washington was concerned, Nasser was a communist.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Jahanshah Rashidian (Iran/Germany)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jahanshah Rashidian (Iran/Germany)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 15:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MA KHAN

Thank you for your comment.

Germany without “Gastarbeitre” (gust workers) could never be rebuilt.  By the end of 70th several millions workers were recruited, a great number from Turkey and other Islamic countries.

Thanks to them,only to them, Germany rebuilt the ruined infrastructures.

Legal immigration also bring the fact that in a capitalist economic system, labour markets becomes not only cheaper, but also more flexible: in this case, they adjust to the presence or absence of foreign workers.

If gust workers are readily available, economy can construct, product, and serve the native population.

All the period of German boom was at its peak until the end of 70th before the non-rebirth of political Islam which hatched out with the advent of the Islamic Republic in Iran.

Political Islam contaminated a great part of region and now disturbs the process of co-existence of Muslim communities in the West.

I am sure that the process is a mutual task of both sides; western authorities and immigrants are both equally engaged. Furthermore, for such a process, it is never late.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MA KHAN</p>
<p>Thank you for your comment.</p>
<p>Germany without “Gastarbeitre” (gust workers) could never be rebuilt.  By the end of 70th several millions workers were recruited, a great number from Turkey and other Islamic countries.</p>
<p>Thanks to them,only to them, Germany rebuilt the ruined infrastructures.</p>
<p>Legal immigration also bring the fact that in a capitalist economic system, labour markets becomes not only cheaper, but also more flexible: in this case, they adjust to the presence or absence of foreign workers.</p>
<p>If gust workers are readily available, economy can construct, product, and serve the native population.</p>
<p>All the period of German boom was at its peak until the end of 70th before the non-rebirth of political Islam which hatched out with the advent of the Islamic Republic in Iran.</p>
<p>Political Islam contaminated a great part of region and now disturbs the process of co-existence of Muslim communities in the West.</p>
<p>I am sure that the process is a mutual task of both sides; western authorities and immigrants are both equally engaged. Furthermore, for such a process, it is never late.</p>
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