Comments on: The farce that is the One Voice Movement http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/10/09/the-farce-that-is-the-one-voice-movement/ Thinking Ahead Sat, 11 Feb 2012 20:46:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Ray Hanania http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/10/09/the-farce-that-is-the-one-voice-movement/#comment-13684 Ray Hanania Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:37:45 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/10/09/the-farce-that-is-the-one-voice-movement/#comment-13684 Well, there is a difference between "Refugees" and "settlers." Refugees are the victims of a conflict. Settlers are exploiters of a conflict. I don't consider settlers to be victims of anything except their own hatred. Aside from that, in any agreement, Jews should be allowed to live in palestine at some future date, and non-Jews should be allowed to live in Palestine at soime future point -- and I mean in the context of being freer because Jews now live in Palestine and non-Jews now live in Israel, but under restrictive conditions. Ray Hanania www.ArabWritersGroup.com Well, there is a difference between “Refugees” and “settlers.” Refugees are the victims of a conflict. Settlers are exploiters of a conflict. I don’t consider settlers to be victims of anything except their own hatred.

Aside from that, in any agreement, Jews should be allowed to live in palestine at some future date, and non-Jews should be allowed to live in Palestine at soime future point — and I mean in the context of being freer because Jews now live in Palestine and non-Jews now live in Israel, but under restrictive conditions.

Ray Hanania
http://www.ArabWritersGroup.com

]]> By: Danny http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/10/09/the-farce-that-is-the-one-voice-movement/#comment-13683 Danny Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:23:11 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/10/09/the-farce-that-is-the-one-voice-movement/#comment-13683 <blockquote>As for the leaders you love so much Danny, you should know that no leader ever has the right to sign away the rights of his or her followers.</blockquote> Only the leaders can come to an agreement and then it is up to the people to ratify – that is what OneVoice is pushing for. OF COURSE THE PEOPLE HAVE TO RATIFY and to be involved. The leaders have to represent them and can't sign away their rights - getting poeple involved in civil society movements is the best way to be sure of this. The events are not 'a party' - yes, there is entertainment planned, but there is much more important political messages to go from the PEOPLE on each side so they actually get to hear from each other and to tell the world and each other that they want to find a way out. So long as everyone claims there is 'no partner' no progress will be made. So we have only 2 choices: 1 sit back and watch things just get worse for everyone in teh Region or 2. TRY TO SHOUT AND SCREAM FROM THE ROOFTOPS THAT SOMETHING HAS TO CHANGE AND LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT THERE ARE NO EXCUSES FOR THE SITUATION TO CONTINUE.

As for the leaders you love so much Danny, you should know that no leader ever has the right to sign away the rights of his or her followers.

Only the leaders can come to an agreement and then it is up to the people to ratify – that is what OneVoice is pushing for. OF COURSE THE PEOPLE HAVE TO RATIFY and to be involved. The leaders have to represent them and can’t sign away their rights – getting poeple involved in civil society movements is the best way to be sure of this.

The events are not ‘a party’ – yes, there is entertainment planned, but there is much more important political messages to go from the PEOPLE on each side so they actually get to hear from each other and to tell the world and each other that they want to find a way out. So long as everyone claims there is ‘no partner’ no progress will be made. So we have only 2 choices: 1 sit back and watch things just get worse for everyone in teh Region or 2. TRY TO SHOUT AND SCREAM FROM THE ROOFTOPS THAT SOMETHING HAS TO CHANGE AND LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT THERE ARE NO EXCUSES FOR THE SITUATION TO CONTINUE.

]]> By: Yaman http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/10/09/the-farce-that-is-the-one-voice-movement/#comment-13682 Yaman Fri, 12 Oct 2007 07:14:13 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/10/09/the-farce-that-is-the-one-voice-movement/#comment-13682 This is not about preventing any agreement from happening. It's from making sure that well-intentioned people, if they are truly well-intentioned, don't waste their time at a party, and instead do something that will actually have positive effects. As for the leaders you love so much Danny, you should know that no leader ever has the right to sign away the rights of his or her followers. This is not about preventing any agreement from happening. It’s from making sure that well-intentioned people, if they are truly well-intentioned, don’t waste their time at a party, and instead do something that will actually have positive effects.

As for the leaders you love so much Danny, you should know that no leader ever has the right to sign away the rights of his or her followers.

]]> By: Danny http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/10/09/the-farce-that-is-the-one-voice-movement/#comment-13681 Danny Fri, 12 Oct 2007 05:50:13 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/10/09/the-farce-that-is-the-one-voice-movement/#comment-13681 I think everyone should hear this... There was a boycott campaign against onevoice based on complete lies and misunderstandings that suggested OneVoice was negotiating on behalf of refugees. This is categorically untrue and misses the key point about the organization that it is specifically designed to empower the process to find answers not dictate them itself. Only the leaders can come to an agreement and then it is up to the people to ratify – that is what OneVoice is pushing for. Groups who want to see no agreement are attacking this with lies and conning the Palestinian population just using the refugees as a political pawn. I think everyone should hear this…

There was a boycott campaign against onevoice based on complete lies and misunderstandings that suggested OneVoice was negotiating on behalf of refugees. This is categorically untrue and misses the key point about the organization that it is specifically designed to empower the process to find answers not dictate them itself. Only the leaders can come to an agreement and then it is up to the people to ratify – that is what OneVoice is pushing for. Groups who want to see no agreement are attacking this with lies and conning the Palestinian population just using the refugees as a political pawn.

]]> By: Nobody http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/10/09/the-farce-that-is-the-one-voice-movement/#comment-13680 Nobody Thu, 11 Oct 2007 17:52:32 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/10/09/the-farce-that-is-the-one-voice-movement/#comment-13680 ezra'a it is very clear what i am saying .. i am saying that i agree with the guy quoted by yaman who said that it should be about separation and not co-existence ... if i prefer to have it peaceful ?? of course ... ezra’a

it is very clear what i am saying .. i am saying that i agree with the guy quoted by yaman who said that it should be about separation and not co-existence …

if i prefer to have it peaceful ?? of course …

]]> By: Esra'a http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/10/09/the-farce-that-is-the-one-voice-movement/#comment-13679 Esra'a Thu, 11 Oct 2007 15:06:57 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/10/09/the-farce-that-is-the-one-voice-movement/#comment-13679 <blockquote>free on their side of the fence because i and many other israelis dont want any part in their freedom …</blockquote> What are you saying? Are you openly admitting that you don't want to live peacefully with your Palestinian neighbors?

free on their side of the fence because i and many other israelis dont want any part in their freedom …

What are you saying? Are you openly admitting that you don’t want to live peacefully with your Palestinian neighbors?

]]> By: Nobody http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/10/09/the-farce-that-is-the-one-voice-movement/#comment-13678 Nobody Thu, 11 Oct 2007 14:47:20 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/10/09/the-farce-that-is-the-one-voice-movement/#comment-13678 you are right, tamar ... they were free just as you are free in your syria ... and actually, which is very clear from what i say, i dont object to them being free in their own state .. they can be free just as they are free now under hamas, or you under assad ... or they can opt for the freedom of saudi arabia or any other of your lovely countries ... all i say - free on their side of the fence because i and many other israelis dont want any part in their freedom ... you are right, tamar … they were free just as you are free in your syria … and actually, which is very clear from what i say, i dont object to them being free in their own state .. they can be free just as they are free now under hamas, or you under assad … or they can opt for the freedom of saudi arabia or any other of your lovely countries … all i say – free on their side of the fence because i and many other israelis dont want any part in their freedom …

]]> By: Tamara (Syria & UAE) http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/10/09/the-farce-that-is-the-one-voice-movement/#comment-13677 Tamara (Syria & UAE) Thu, 11 Oct 2007 14:22:35 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/10/09/the-farce-that-is-the-one-voice-movement/#comment-13677 You are forgetting that that annoying ex-girlfriend of yours was once free, until you came in and stole her home and raped her future. You are forgetting that that annoying ex-girlfriend of yours was once free, until you came in and stole her home and raped her future.

]]> By: Esra'a http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/10/09/the-farce-that-is-the-one-voice-movement/#comment-13676 Esra'a Thu, 11 Oct 2007 14:13:58 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/10/09/the-farce-that-is-the-one-voice-movement/#comment-13676 Nobody, They are called Palestinians, not "Palis," and they are not your personal animals for you to treat them like house flies that you just want to shoo. This is their home and their lives and you damned right they are going to react if their human rights are abused by the Israeli government. <blockquote> … you just never can get rid of them</blockquote> What a hatefully racist thing to say. <blockquote>we ve been talking to palis for so long that we can barely suffer the sight of palis yet alone talking to them</blockquote> Ditto for this. People like you are the reason why peace is far from being achieved. Nobody,

They are called Palestinians, not “Palis,” and they are not your personal animals for you to treat them like house flies that you just want to shoo. This is their home and their lives and you damned right they are going to react if their human rights are abused by the Israeli government.

… you just never can get rid of them

What a hatefully racist thing to say.

we ve been talking to palis for so long that we can barely suffer the sight of palis yet alone talking to them

Ditto for this.

People like you are the reason why peace is far from being achieved.

]]> By: Nobody http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/10/09/the-farce-that-is-the-one-voice-movement/#comment-13675 Nobody Thu, 11 Oct 2007 14:08:47 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/10/09/the-farce-that-is-the-one-voice-movement/#comment-13675 this guy is absolutely right .. no great love is lost between the two sides... so lets be practical and create an effective separation that will allow both people to live without being in danger of getting dragged into another conflict by extremists ... israel is growing more religious by day .. the palis have voted hamas into power ... half of the countries around are on the brink to get a civil war .. some have it already ... yet i should believe that where the arabs failed to co-exist with one another, and the last civil war in gaza is a good example of it, they will succeed to co-exist with israelis ... ha ha ha ... this yaman plainly lives on another planet ... as all those who say that israelis and arabs can achieve something by talking to each other .. the arabs in iraq, darfur or lebanon had more than enough time to talk to each other but i just did not notice that it helps them... we ve been talking to palis for so long that we can barely suffer the sight of palis yet alone talking to them ... there's left nothing to talk about ... the palis give up on the right of return, we compromise in jerusalem , fence and it's done ... preferably with israeli arabs joining the PA where their areas border on the west bank as lieberman offered ... what else is there to talk about ??? the palestinians are like an annoying ex girlfriend that just refuses to go ... if they dont chase you with bombs and suicide belts then they will be chasing you with kisses and hugs ... you just never can get rid of them ... nudnikim as we say in hebrew this guy is absolutely right .. no great love is lost between the two sides… so lets be practical and create an effective separation that will allow both people to live without being in danger of getting dragged into another conflict by extremists …

israel is growing more religious by day .. the palis have voted hamas into power … half of the countries around are on the brink to get a civil war .. some have it already … yet i should believe that where the arabs failed to co-exist with one another, and the last civil war in gaza is a good example of it, they will succeed to co-exist with israelis … ha ha ha …

this yaman plainly lives on another planet … as all those who say that israelis and arabs can achieve something by talking to each other .. the arabs in iraq, darfur or lebanon had more than enough time to talk to each other but i just did not notice that it helps them… we ve been talking to palis for so long that we can barely suffer the sight of palis yet alone talking to them … there’s left nothing to talk about … the palis give up on the right of return, we compromise in jerusalem , fence and it’s done … preferably with israeli arabs joining the PA where their areas border on the west bank as lieberman offered … what else is there to talk about ???

the palestinians are like an annoying ex girlfriend that just refuses to go … if they dont chase you with bombs and suicide belts then they will be chasing you with kisses and hugs … you just never can get rid of them … nudnikim as we say in hebrew

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