Comments on: Oil Sanctions on Iran http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/10/15/oil-sanctions-on-iran/ Thinking Ahead Sat, 11 Feb 2012 20:46:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Me http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/10/15/oil-sanctions-on-iran/#comment-13963 Me Wed, 24 Oct 2007 04:13:04 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/10/15/oil-sanctions-on-iran/#comment-13963 Nadia: We should extinct all religious polity in all states, Iran, Saudi Arabia and so on. There is no exception in this area. Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Afghanistan extremists is dangerous too whole world too but there is a difference between their rules and Islamic Republic Rules. At the end of the day, we should get rid of all of them to bring back peace of mind to region. Nadia:

We should extinct all religious polity in all states, Iran, Saudi Arabia and so on. There is no exception in this area. Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Afghanistan extremists is dangerous too whole world too but there is a difference between their rules and Islamic Republic Rules. At the end of the day, we should get rid of all of them to bring back peace of mind to region.

]]> By: Mohammad Memarian (Iran) http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/10/15/oil-sanctions-on-iran/#comment-13962 Mohammad Memarian (Iran) Sat, 20 Oct 2007 13:01:38 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/10/15/oil-sanctions-on-iran/#comment-13962 how wise was the man who suggested: "let them speak... they will uncover their stupidity" (dont look for this quote anywhere; it was said by an Iranian, who knew his compatriots better than any other intelligent/academic service/agent. though, it applies to many people, like Ahmadinejad himself) <blockquote>In Shiite concept of Velayt-e-Faqih “Supreme Religious Guardian”, the absolute power is given to a Sayyed, a descendant of the Prophet Muhammad, who rules the Supreme Leader in Iran.</blockquote> in Iran's constitution, the absolute power is given to a Grand Ayatollah, whether he is a Sayyed or not. <blockquote>The other Sunnite Islamic states can be despotic, corrupt, and backward, but not an institutionalised instance to expan “Dar-al Islam” (house of Muslims).</blockquote> Dar-al Islam!!! do you know who first stages such a slogan? if Jahanshah knew this, he would never: 1- attribute it to Shiite (for this quote is originally from...) 2- exclude Sunni extermists from the list of those who claim the world power to me, all of the extermists are equal... whether from a religious background or a liberal one. (yeah, I think that liberals may sometimes turn into extermists.) how wise was the man who suggested: “let them speak… they will uncover their stupidity” (dont look for this quote anywhere; it was said by an Iranian, who knew his compatriots better than any other intelligent/academic service/agent. though, it applies to many people, like Ahmadinejad himself)

In Shiite concept of Velayt-e-Faqih “Supreme Religious Guardian”, the absolute power is given to a Sayyed, a descendant of the Prophet Muhammad, who rules the Supreme Leader in Iran.

in Iran’s constitution, the absolute power is given to a Grand Ayatollah, whether he is a Sayyed or not.

The other Sunnite Islamic states can be despotic, corrupt, and backward, but not an institutionalised instance to expan “Dar-al Islam” (house of Muslims).

Dar-al Islam!!! do you know who first stages such a slogan? if Jahanshah knew this, he would never:
1- attribute it to Shiite (for this quote is originally from…)
2- exclude Sunni extermists from the list of those who claim the world power

to me, all of the extermists are equal… whether from a religious background or a liberal one. (yeah, I think that liberals may sometimes turn into extermists.)

]]> By: Jahanshah Rashidian (Iran/Germany) http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/10/15/oil-sanctions-on-iran/#comment-13961 Jahanshah Rashidian (Iran/Germany) Sat, 20 Oct 2007 12:09:12 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/10/15/oil-sanctions-on-iran/#comment-13961 Nadia There is a fundamental difference between the Shiite IRI and Sunnites of any Islamic state. In Shiite concept of Velayt-e-Faqih "Supreme Religious Guardian", the absolute power is given to a Sayyed, a descendant of the Prophet Muhammad, who rules the Supreme Leader in Iran. The interpretation of Islam of this instance holds that Muslims (Sunnites and Shiites) throughout the world constitute a single community – the Ummah – who must be ruled by a single Supreme Leader. The Mullahs assert that by virtue of the Iranian revolution they have acquired the status of "guardians" of all Muslims throughout the world. The other Sunnite Islamic states can be despotic, corrupt, and backward, but not an institutionalised instance to expan "Dar-al Islam" (house of Muslims). This is the core difference between the political Shiites and Sunnites which can end up with a war within the Islamic world. Nadia

There is a fundamental difference between the Shiite IRI and Sunnites of any Islamic state. In Shiite concept of Velayt-e-Faqih “Supreme Religious Guardian”, the absolute power is given to a Sayyed, a descendant of the Prophet Muhammad, who rules the Supreme Leader in Iran.

The interpretation of Islam of this instance holds that Muslims (Sunnites and Shiites) throughout the world constitute a single community – the Ummah – who must be ruled by a single Supreme Leader. The Mullahs assert that by virtue of the Iranian revolution they have acquired the status of “guardians” of all Muslims throughout the world. The other Sunnite Islamic states can be despotic, corrupt, and backward, but not an institutionalised instance to expan “Dar-al Islam” (house of Muslims).

This is the core difference between the political Shiites and Sunnites which can end up with a war within the Islamic world.

]]> By: Nadia http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/10/15/oil-sanctions-on-iran/#comment-13960 Nadia Fri, 19 Oct 2007 22:18:34 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/10/15/oil-sanctions-on-iran/#comment-13960 I agree with a lot of the above commenters, there will always be someone willing to buy and besides that, what harm did sanctions ever do to Saddam Hussein? And then, where do you stop, Venezuala, Bolivia, China, Turkey, Russia? Personally I'm just as concerned about the Saudi government(and it's actions both in and outside its borders), but as far as we've seen with Iraq and North Korea there isn't much proof that isolation is effective. I agree with a lot of the above commenters, there will always be someone willing to buy and besides that, what harm did sanctions ever do to Saddam Hussein? And then, where do you stop, Venezuala, Bolivia, China, Turkey, Russia? Personally I’m just as concerned about the Saudi government(and it’s actions both in and outside its borders), but as far as we’ve seen with Iraq and North Korea there isn’t much proof that isolation is effective.

]]> By: eric/canada http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/10/15/oil-sanctions-on-iran/#comment-13959 eric/canada Fri, 19 Oct 2007 18:11:47 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/10/15/oil-sanctions-on-iran/#comment-13959 True enough..I met him 8 years ago, and he's a great guy, but the first time I mentioned Tiananmen Square and the massacre there he looked at me blankly. I then had to spend about an hour showing him what happened there...he had not idea! The Chinese authorities completely closed off all reporting of it within the country! And this guy is far more computer and internet savvy than me. It was my first real encounter with that level of government censorship, and I was floored. Up until then I just took it for granted that the media would completely exploit disasters and tragedies of that scale to such an extent that they would be common knowledge, and since, I've found more and more that the West is doing it also. It's not that my friend is cruel or uncaring, though. He just doesn't understand the connection between doing business with the Mullahs, and supporting their regime. And, to a large extent, I think that, strangely enough, is a part of the Chinese mindset right now: that the affairs of other nations are their business, for better or worse, and they should treat China the same way. It's such a weird attitude from a nation that had a Marxist revolution 6 decades ago... Perhaps the political focus of the Olympics will usher in a new realization of global conscience on their part... True enough..I met him 8 years ago, and he’s a great guy, but the first time I mentioned Tiananmen Square and the massacre there he looked at me blankly. I then had to spend about an hour showing him what happened there…he had not idea! The Chinese authorities completely closed off all reporting of it within the country! And this guy is far more computer and internet savvy than me. It was my first real encounter with that level of government censorship, and I was floored. Up until then I just took it for granted that the media would completely exploit disasters and tragedies of that scale to such an extent that they would be common knowledge, and since, I’ve found more and more that the West is doing it also. It’s not that my friend is cruel or uncaring, though. He just doesn’t understand the connection between doing business with the Mullahs, and supporting their regime. And, to a large extent, I think that, strangely enough, is a part of the Chinese mindset right now: that the affairs of other nations are their business, for better or worse, and they should treat China the same way. It’s such a weird attitude from a nation that had a Marxist revolution 6 decades ago… Perhaps the political focus of the Olympics will usher in a new realization of global conscience on their part…

]]> By: Jahanshah Rashidian (Iran/Germany) http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/10/15/oil-sanctions-on-iran/#comment-13958 Jahanshah Rashidian (Iran/Germany) Fri, 19 Oct 2007 16:27:10 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/10/15/oil-sanctions-on-iran/#comment-13958 Dear Eric I agree with you that oil sanction remains a difficultly realisable option. Oil proved the most immoral affairs of conspiracy, treachery, mafia trade, and smearing corruption in the region. Look at the corrupt Sheiks and Mullahs who form the client states of international oil consortiums. What I propose at best is Mullahs’s human rights records which are not so complicated. Most high ranking members of the IRI are under investigation and wanted for their criminal and terrorist activities by different judges in the world. This seems to be the most vulnerable Mullas’s Achilles heel. Islamic regime mainly spends oil money on crushing angry people in Iran and supporting terrorists in Middle East and else where. Your Iranian friend, who does trade with China, knows it very well. He is a one of many “let’s survive” of a totalitarian culture which forces the citizens to consciously be blind and deaf. Dear Eric
I agree with you that oil sanction remains a difficultly realisable option. Oil proved the most immoral affairs of conspiracy, treachery, mafia trade, and smearing corruption in the region. Look at the corrupt Sheiks and Mullahs who form the client states of international oil consortiums.
What I propose at best is Mullahs’s human rights records which are not so complicated. Most high ranking members of the IRI are under investigation and wanted for their criminal and terrorist activities by different judges in the world. This seems to be the most vulnerable Mullas’s Achilles heel.

Islamic regime mainly spends oil money on crushing angry people in Iran and supporting terrorists in Middle East and else where.
Your Iranian friend, who does trade with China, knows it very well. He is a one of many “let’s survive” of a totalitarian culture which forces the citizens to consciously be blind and deaf.

]]> By: Jahanshah Rashidian (Iran/Germany) http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/10/15/oil-sanctions-on-iran/#comment-13957 Jahanshah Rashidian (Iran/Germany) Fri, 19 Oct 2007 16:20:34 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/10/15/oil-sanctions-on-iran/#comment-13957 Dear Eric I agree with you that oil sanction remains a difficultly realisable option. Oil proved the most immoral affairs of conspiracy, treachery, mafia trade, and smearing corruption in the region. Look at the corrupt Sheiks and Mullahs who form the client states of international oil consortiums. What I propose at best is Mullins’s human rights records which are not so complicated. Most high ranking members of the IRI are under investigation and wanted for their criminal and terrorist activities by different judges in the world. This seems to be the most vulnerable Mullins’s Achilles heel. Islamic regime mainly spends oil money on crushing angry people in Iran and supporting terrorists in Middle East and else where. Your Iranian friend, who does trade with China, knows it very well. He is a one of many "let's survive" of a totalitarian culture which forces the citizens to consciously be blind and deaf. Dear Eric
I agree with you that oil sanction remains a difficultly realisable option. Oil proved the most immoral affairs of conspiracy, treachery, mafia trade, and smearing corruption in the region. Look at the corrupt Sheiks and Mullahs who form the client states of international oil consortiums.

What I propose at best is Mullins’s human rights records which are not so complicated. Most high ranking members of the IRI are under investigation and wanted for their criminal and terrorist activities by different judges in the world. This seems to be the most vulnerable Mullins’s Achilles heel.

Islamic regime mainly spends oil money on crushing angry people in Iran and supporting terrorists in Middle East and else where.
Your Iranian friend, who does trade with China, knows it very well. He is a one of many “let’s survive” of a totalitarian culture which forces the citizens to consciously be blind and deaf.

]]> By: eric/canada http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/10/15/oil-sanctions-on-iran/#comment-13956 eric/canada Fri, 19 Oct 2007 15:19:02 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/10/15/oil-sanctions-on-iran/#comment-13956 Just a small note on this: I have a friend who is an importer/exporter based in China, living in Canada, who just expanded his operations into Iran, as a partner with an Iranian expat. He is only concerned about possible sanctions affecting shipping. When I got into a conversation about trade and Iran's nuclear and human rights issues his attitude is: "So what? Who cares? If the Americans and their friends won't buy oil, then China can get it cheap!" Basically, I don't think that China will agree to any economic sanctions, and will simply use an oil sanction to their own advantage, leaving the US and allies with the option of confronting or confiscating China bound oil tankers in international waters, a scenario that I think the US would want to avoid. Also, Japan has a history of being 'ahem' sensitive about its crude oil supply lines, and probably would not take well to giving up an important source only to watch it's main rival in the Pacific buy it up. In principle, this is a good idea, but China has proven with the Sudanese that it does not mix business with moral principle, particularly where oil is concerned. P.S. on the Russia invades Iran scenario: Pretty far-fetched, but Mr. Putin has certainly been building his military and nationalistic rhetoric up for something...certainly the US hasn't got the capacity to oppose such a move right now. And wouldn't it be to Iran's advantage to announce a NATO-like military alliance with Russia, who is feeling a bit 'defensive' about missle programs? After all, why invade a country when they may just invite you to build a base or two? Just a small note on this: I have a friend who is an importer/exporter based in China, living in Canada, who just expanded his operations into Iran, as a partner with an Iranian expat. He is only concerned about possible sanctions affecting shipping. When I got into a conversation about trade and Iran’s nuclear and human rights issues his attitude is: “So what? Who cares? If the Americans and their friends won’t buy oil, then China can get it cheap!” Basically, I don’t think that China will agree to any economic sanctions, and will simply use an oil sanction to their own advantage, leaving the US and allies with the option of confronting or confiscating China bound oil tankers in international waters, a scenario that I think the US would want to avoid. Also, Japan has a history of being ‘ahem’ sensitive about its crude oil supply lines, and probably would not take well to giving up an important source only to watch it’s main rival in the Pacific buy it up. In principle, this is a good idea, but China has proven with the Sudanese that it does not mix business with moral principle, particularly where oil is concerned.
P.S. on the Russia invades Iran scenario: Pretty far-fetched, but Mr. Putin has certainly been building his military and nationalistic rhetoric up for something…certainly the US hasn’t got the capacity to oppose such a move right now. And wouldn’t it be to Iran’s advantage to announce a NATO-like military alliance with Russia, who is feeling a bit ‘defensive’ about missle programs? After all, why invade a country when they may just invite you to build a base or two?

]]> By: Mohammad Memarian (Iran) http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/10/15/oil-sanctions-on-iran/#comment-13955 Mohammad Memarian (Iran) Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:10:41 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/10/15/oil-sanctions-on-iran/#comment-13955 <blockquote>The Iranian coast reduced to only 10%!</blockquote> you would better try to be updated with the latest news.... that nothing important happend in the Putin's trip tp Iran with regards to the Caspian Sea'e legal status.... but Iran confessed that Putin had a special message for Iran, a message worthy of such a landmark trip. before Putin's arrival, Iran's foreign affairs spokesman announed that 'good news about Bushehr atomic reactor will be released as soon'. not only after his arrival nothing happened in the case of Bushehr, but also Supreme Leader's office announced that Ayatollah Khamenei said to Putin: "we will contemplate your idea and suggestion". Iran's top nuclear negotiator (secretary of national security council) approved the news, though refused to provide any hint to the "details of Putin's message". all are waiting to know more. and you would better open your eyes as well as ears.... do not make news of your own just to portray everything in Iran with a black pencil.

The Iranian coast reduced to only 10%!

you would better try to be updated with the latest news…. that nothing important happend in the Putin’s trip tp Iran with regards to the Caspian Sea’e legal status…. but Iran confessed that Putin had a special message for Iran, a message worthy of such a landmark trip.

before Putin’s arrival, Iran’s foreign affairs spokesman announed that ‘good news about Bushehr atomic reactor will be released as soon’. not only after his arrival nothing happened in the case of Bushehr, but also Supreme Leader’s office announced that Ayatollah Khamenei said to Putin: “we will contemplate your idea and suggestion”. Iran’s top nuclear negotiator (secretary of national security council) approved the news, though refused to provide any hint to the “details of Putin’s message”. all are waiting to know more.

and you would better open your eyes as well as ears…. do not make news of your own just to portray everything in Iran with a black pencil.

]]> By: Dawoud (Bahrain/Japan) http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/10/15/oil-sanctions-on-iran/#comment-13954 Dawoud (Bahrain/Japan) Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:25:38 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/10/15/oil-sanctions-on-iran/#comment-13954 I think he would have a very hard road to travel if he (Putin) ever tried to set this (take control of the Caspian) in motion. Iran could never be held, as the lessons of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan proved. A theoretical push to the Indian Ocean and a warm water port was what they (Soviets) were aiming for. I suppose Pakistan would have given in if the Soviets actally gained positive control of Afghanistan by going into concessions with the Soviets in order to keep them from invading. Wow... I hope that made some kind of sense. I think he would have a very hard road to travel if he (Putin) ever tried to set this (take control of the Caspian) in motion. Iran could never be held, as the lessons of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan proved. A theoretical push to the Indian Ocean and a warm water port was what they (Soviets) were aiming for. I suppose Pakistan would have given in if the Soviets actally gained positive control of Afghanistan by going into concessions with the Soviets in order to keep them from invading. Wow… I hope that made some kind of sense.

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