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		<title>By: Jelicol</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/10/22/jerusalem/#comment-14036</link>
		<dc:creator>Jelicol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 04:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not mind the Jews and the Muslims fight to get the city.  I am angry at the Christians, because they want to bush the coming of the Christ.  In other words, the Christians believe that the city has to be in the hand of the Jews, according to the prophecy, before Christ could come.  The Christians want to bush the coming of Christ in the account of the Palestinians.  They do not care who should get Jerusalem, but they care to bush for the coming of the Christ and give the city to the Jews even if they have to kill all Palestinians forgetting the words of the Bible: the day of the lord will come as the thief in the night</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not mind the Jews and the Muslims fight to get the city.  I am angry at the Christians, because they want to bush the coming of the Christ.  In other words, the Christians believe that the city has to be in the hand of the Jews, according to the prophecy, before Christ could come.  The Christians want to bush the coming of Christ in the account of the Palestinians.  They do not care who should get Jerusalem, but they care to bush for the coming of the Christ and give the city to the Jews even if they have to kill all Palestinians forgetting the words of the Bible: the day of the lord will come as the thief in the night</p>
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		<title>By: Martijn R (Amsterdam)</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/10/22/jerusalem/#comment-14035</link>
		<dc:creator>Martijn R (Amsterdam)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 21:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerusalem as a &#039;world capital&#039; under UN government. What an excellent idea!</description>
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		<title>By: Dawoud (Bahrain/Japan)</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/10/22/jerusalem/#comment-14034</link>
		<dc:creator>Dawoud (Bahrain/Japan)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I was a little hesitant to even post up something that has been on my mid for a while when I initiated this thread, but I said &quot;F@ck it!&quot; and did it.  I won&#039;t be afraid to speak my mind anymore.  Instead of comments of anger and hate and threats, this thread has received positive energy and realism.  It&#039;s nice to see that others feel the same way I do about Jerusalem and that there is merit in making it a &quot;world city&quot; and the home of peaceful diplomacy and harmony amongst the people of the world.  I also see that there are forces who have gnashing teeth, baited breath and hate-influenced agendas with lots of backers and money to lose if this were to happen.  We (all of us in the world) have been warned about these types for years, for centuries, and the only product they have produced has been the suffering of this world, stunted intellectual growth, stunted peace initiatives, stunted advances in the sciences and turning our world into a toilet.  These crazy megalomaniacs (put in here any name you choose) wish to hurry the Day of Judgement as if they were chosen to do Allah&#039;s work.  Allah will come when Allah wants, and there is nothing humans can do to affect or control Allah.  There are no more special persons.  It&#039;s just us.

Imagine the advances we could have made if we did not have this thorn in our feet?  Imagine the numbers of lives that did not have to necessarily end?  Many would say that all that we have gone through is part of the predestined plan, a test.  I believe in this, but nowhere in any religious writing does it say that we must not promote peace and improve our world and the lives of the people, the myriad of species and the wonders created.  As a Muslim, I am not speaking of blasphemy, yet there are those who would say I am, but I am just like you... I love the life Allah gave me and the opportunities Allah provides to excel and work together to make a postive difference.  I, too, feel this idea for Jerusalem would be a positive cause for all young activists to rally around and make happen.  The way up is steep and a lot of people may grow weak and fall off, but nobody said works of peace and purity was easy.  We just have to be smarter and stronger than the ones who actively hunt us down or stand on the sidelines hoping we fail.

Ok, I&#039;ve talked enough.  With all of this energy, how do we put the ball in motion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I was a little hesitant to even post up something that has been on my mid for a while when I initiated this thread, but I said &#8220;F@ck it!&#8221; and did it.  I won&#8217;t be afraid to speak my mind anymore.  Instead of comments of anger and hate and threats, this thread has received positive energy and realism.  It&#8217;s nice to see that others feel the same way I do about Jerusalem and that there is merit in making it a &#8220;world city&#8221; and the home of peaceful diplomacy and harmony amongst the people of the world.  I also see that there are forces who have gnashing teeth, baited breath and hate-influenced agendas with lots of backers and money to lose if this were to happen.  We (all of us in the world) have been warned about these types for years, for centuries, and the only product they have produced has been the suffering of this world, stunted intellectual growth, stunted peace initiatives, stunted advances in the sciences and turning our world into a toilet.  These crazy megalomaniacs (put in here any name you choose) wish to hurry the Day of Judgement as if they were chosen to do Allah&#8217;s work.  Allah will come when Allah wants, and there is nothing humans can do to affect or control Allah.  There are no more special persons.  It&#8217;s just us.</p>
<p>Imagine the advances we could have made if we did not have this thorn in our feet?  Imagine the numbers of lives that did not have to necessarily end?  Many would say that all that we have gone through is part of the predestined plan, a test.  I believe in this, but nowhere in any religious writing does it say that we must not promote peace and improve our world and the lives of the people, the myriad of species and the wonders created.  As a Muslim, I am not speaking of blasphemy, yet there are those who would say I am, but I am just like you&#8230; I love the life Allah gave me and the opportunities Allah provides to excel and work together to make a postive difference.  I, too, feel this idea for Jerusalem would be a positive cause for all young activists to rally around and make happen.  The way up is steep and a lot of people may grow weak and fall off, but nobody said works of peace and purity was easy.  We just have to be smarter and stronger than the ones who actively hunt us down or stand on the sidelines hoping we fail.</p>
<p>Ok, I&#8217;ve talked enough.  With all of this energy, how do we put the ball in motion?</p>
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		<title>By: eric/canada</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/10/22/jerusalem/#comment-14033</link>
		<dc:creator>eric/canada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 18:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, all these ideas have considerable merit.  It is about time the UN was moved to a more neutral location (I always thought the idea of it being in a permanent spot was somewhat counter-productive) and making Jerusalem a DMZ, it&#039;s own city state and UN headquarters is an excellent solution.  Imagine what benefits the region could realize!  Not only the dividends of peace and stability, but also the economic windfall that is sorely needed in that area.  It would also make an immensely powerful statement about the commitment to diplomatic means over military ones.  If this could actually be pulled off, and all the players, political and religious, could agree and commit enough protective resources to ensure that it would be safe and workable, it could actually become the centre of a viable world government!  VERY good idea!  Mabye the kind of thing all sorts of young activists could rally around...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, all these ideas have considerable merit.  It is about time the UN was moved to a more neutral location (I always thought the idea of it being in a permanent spot was somewhat counter-productive) and making Jerusalem a DMZ, it&#8217;s own city state and UN headquarters is an excellent solution.  Imagine what benefits the region could realize!  Not only the dividends of peace and stability, but also the economic windfall that is sorely needed in that area.  It would also make an immensely powerful statement about the commitment to diplomatic means over military ones.  If this could actually be pulled off, and all the players, political and religious, could agree and commit enough protective resources to ensure that it would be safe and workable, it could actually become the centre of a viable world government!  VERY good idea!  Mabye the kind of thing all sorts of young activists could rally around&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dawoud (Bahrain/Japan)</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/10/22/jerusalem/#comment-14032</link>
		<dc:creator>Dawoud (Bahrain/Japan)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was actually mulling over that same idea.  The UN needs to be located in an area that is not governed by a national entity not its own.  Moving it to Jerusalem and making it a worldwide exclusion zone of peace would actually give the UN some clout if Jerusalem can become its own city-state.  To move the UN there with Israel still running it or any other bordering country running it would just escalate things.  Jerusalem needs to be its own entity.  17 times... wow!  It sounds like some groups of people have been pissed off for many many centuries at certain other groups.  I would sure love to see the vinegar of hate removed from that place in my lifetime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was actually mulling over that same idea.  The UN needs to be located in an area that is not governed by a national entity not its own.  Moving it to Jerusalem and making it a worldwide exclusion zone of peace would actually give the UN some clout if Jerusalem can become its own city-state.  To move the UN there with Israel still running it or any other bordering country running it would just escalate things.  Jerusalem needs to be its own entity.  17 times&#8230; wow!  It sounds like some groups of people have been pissed off for many many centuries at certain other groups.  I would sure love to see the vinegar of hate removed from that place in my lifetime.</p>
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		<title>By: levylevthuglife</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/10/22/jerusalem/#comment-14031</link>
		<dc:creator>levylevthuglife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 05:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right on Dawoud.  Keep in mind that the city was destroyed and rebuilt 17 times (one of the highest counts in the world to my knowledge) so anyone and everyone will have problems holding it together.  I think the most unique idea I heard was to move the UN to Jerusalem.  I don&#039;t how much support this idea has but what do you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on Dawoud.  Keep in mind that the city was destroyed and rebuilt 17 times (one of the highest counts in the world to my knowledge) so anyone and everyone will have problems holding it together.  I think the most unique idea I heard was to move the UN to Jerusalem.  I don&#8217;t how much support this idea has but what do you think?</p>
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		<title>By: Dawoud (Bahrain/Japan)</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/10/22/jerusalem/#comment-14030</link>
		<dc:creator>Dawoud (Bahrain/Japan)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 05:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LLTL- The Haredi sound like very religious trailer park trash.  Lol!  I just had to say that because that&#039;s what they sound like.

If the idea I am proposing were forced upon Jerusalem, well my excuse is that in the hands of any one state, the place is like a keg of dynamite and no single entity has proven they can bring peace there.  Under international protection and under a flag of neutrality, I feel it stands a better chance and gives no more ammo for the extremists for Jerusalem would be a &quot;World City&quot;.  If it could only be applied to the Old City, then that&#039;s what it should be.

Not letting it happen (Jews and Arabs)?  Then what do they propose?  We, the collective world, are tired of the BS and the causes that result in nothing but further separation, further loss of life, further fuel for someone&#039;s extremist fire and further loss of time, money and effort that could best be used in other parts of the world to fix the stuff we need to fix.  I don&#039;t understand why we, the world, can&#039;t get it right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LLTL- The Haredi sound like very religious trailer park trash.  Lol!  I just had to say that because that&#8217;s what they sound like.</p>
<p>If the idea I am proposing were forced upon Jerusalem, well my excuse is that in the hands of any one state, the place is like a keg of dynamite and no single entity has proven they can bring peace there.  Under international protection and under a flag of neutrality, I feel it stands a better chance and gives no more ammo for the extremists for Jerusalem would be a &#8220;World City&#8221;.  If it could only be applied to the Old City, then that&#8217;s what it should be.</p>
<p>Not letting it happen (Jews and Arabs)?  Then what do they propose?  We, the collective world, are tired of the BS and the causes that result in nothing but further separation, further loss of life, further fuel for someone&#8217;s extremist fire and further loss of time, money and effort that could best be used in other parts of the world to fix the stuff we need to fix.  I don&#8217;t understand why we, the world, can&#8217;t get it right.</p>
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		<title>By: levylevthuglife</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/10/22/jerusalem/#comment-14029</link>
		<dc:creator>levylevthuglife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 02:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree with the spirit of the debate, I think the main problem with making Jerusalem a &quot;free city&quot; rules by the 3 faiths is that a large part of the city is Haredi - i.e., ultra-orthodox Jews.  They don&#039;t seem to get along with any government (Israel&#039;s included), they live by their own rules (they throw rocks at your car if your drive through their beighborhood on saturday), they pay no taxes, they don&#039;t work, they study Torah all day, they don&#039;t serve in the army, they are horribly corrupt, and unfortunately they breed like rabbits.

I think it will be very difficult to divide the city, and am not sure what the best solution is to have both Israeli and Palestinian capitals there.  One solution I read is to make the Old city like the Vatican, i.e., the same idea Dawoud proposed but only for the holy city, and have the joint international protection of its soverignty by the US, Arab League, EU, and Russia.  I should also say that neither Israelis nor Palestinians want this solution, and maybe it should be forced upon them.

I&#039;m not sure what to do with the rest of the city.  Maybe have a powerful neighborhood governments to administer each area?

As for peace makers, check out &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jerusalempeacemakers.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this site&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree with the spirit of the debate, I think the main problem with making Jerusalem a &#8220;free city&#8221; rules by the 3 faiths is that a large part of the city is Haredi &#8211; i.e., ultra-orthodox Jews.  They don&#8217;t seem to get along with any government (Israel&#8217;s included), they live by their own rules (they throw rocks at your car if your drive through their beighborhood on saturday), they pay no taxes, they don&#8217;t work, they study Torah all day, they don&#8217;t serve in the army, they are horribly corrupt, and unfortunately they breed like rabbits.</p>
<p>I think it will be very difficult to divide the city, and am not sure what the best solution is to have both Israeli and Palestinian capitals there.  One solution I read is to make the Old city like the Vatican, i.e., the same idea Dawoud proposed but only for the holy city, and have the joint international protection of its soverignty by the US, Arab League, EU, and Russia.  I should also say that neither Israelis nor Palestinians want this solution, and maybe it should be forced upon them.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what to do with the rest of the city.  Maybe have a powerful neighborhood governments to administer each area?</p>
<p>As for peace makers, check out <a href="http://www.jerusalempeacemakers.org/" rel="nofollow">this site</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Nouri</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/10/22/jerusalem/#comment-14028</link>
		<dc:creator>Nouri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was the idea for the UN partition plan in 1948. It was going to be an international city, under the UN (a corpus separatum). A little bit different from yours, but in the same spirit. I agree with your idea, but I do think it&#039;s a pipe dream. I don&#039;t see Israeli Jews or Arabs (especially the Palestinians) letting that happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was the idea for the UN partition plan in 1948. It was going to be an international city, under the UN (a corpus separatum). A little bit different from yours, but in the same spirit. I agree with your idea, but I do think it&#8217;s a pipe dream. I don&#8217;t see Israeli Jews or Arabs (especially the Palestinians) letting that happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Dawoud (Bahrain/Japan)</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/10/22/jerusalem/#comment-14027</link>
		<dc:creator>Dawoud (Bahrain/Japan)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with you on that, broham!  That is my argument whenever the Judgement Day comes.  It&#039;ll come and it won&#039;t matter who&#039;s hands Jerusalem is in.  The facts are right there in the three.  God will judge each by their works, not by who&#039;s hands Jerusalem is in, for Jerusalem will be in God&#039;s hands and earhtly pursuits will mean nothing.  Human blood is worth more than any religious site.  The three faiths forget that we cannot undo what God wants to do, and we are just stupid for falling into the romantic notion that Jerusalem is worth sacrificing ourselves for.  This is definitely a man-made cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you on that, broham!  That is my argument whenever the Judgement Day comes.  It&#8217;ll come and it won&#8217;t matter who&#8217;s hands Jerusalem is in.  The facts are right there in the three.  God will judge each by their works, not by who&#8217;s hands Jerusalem is in, for Jerusalem will be in God&#8217;s hands and earhtly pursuits will mean nothing.  Human blood is worth more than any religious site.  The three faiths forget that we cannot undo what God wants to do, and we are just stupid for falling into the romantic notion that Jerusalem is worth sacrificing ourselves for.  This is definitely a man-made cause.</p>
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