Conspiracy theories? All my links are from reputable sources and haven appeared in mainstream press. But it doesn’t make frontpage news or alot of airplay. It is often buried in the back pages or gets a minute of airtime.

It’s all I’ve ever seen you talk about on here. 9/11, American conspiracies, the same sources over and over.

I’m not dodging anything Esra’a, you’re the one trying to spin facts around a bogus and ignorant world view. If you “don’t appreciate” the tone of the conversation then I strongly suggest you get acquainted with the facts and stop being an apologist for American war propaganda. Don’t try to cover your ignorance and accusing others of “conspiracy theories” when they give you source after source.I did give you a source proving that “Iraq the model” is pro-occupation fraud site. Look at it again :

This source you linked doesn’t prove anything. I also hate it, by the way, when anyone claims to know what the majority of Iraqis want. Was this question asked of them when the majority of America’s representatives in government decided to invade Iraq? If not, how is it an argument for withdrawal?

You can’t go around labeling people you know nothing about just because it fits your world view. You may be right, you may be wrong (I’d argue the latter) but at the end of the day your buying into as much, if not more propaganda than any one else.

Well you children can continue the fling fest here then, just don’t expect anyone to take you seriously if you’re going to dismiss everyone as a collaborator just because they have a different perspective on things. Good luck kiddos, may your ignorance be as blissful as ever.

http://antiwar.com/blog/?p=1659

The 2 brothers who run the site are NOT average Iraqis, but a pair of rich professionals on the occupation payroll. The average Iraqi barely has 4 hours of electricity, much less the desire the support the invasion and rape of his own country on a website.
As for sources showing that the majority of Iraqi support attacks on occupation terrorists, here you go :
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=14689
http://www.truthdig.com/dig/item/20060627_occupation_iraq_hearts_minds/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/10/23/wirq23.xml&sSheet=/portal/2005/10/23/ixportaltop.html

American’s didn’t deserve to die on 911, but they sure as hell deserve to die in Iraq. And bury the lies that go along with them. I have zero sympathy for a country that rapes and slaughters children and carries on like nothings wrong.

Conspiracy theories? All my links are from reputable sources and haven appeared in mainstream press. But it doesn’t make frontpage news or alot of airplay. It is often buried in the back pages or gets a minute of airtime.

That’s like asking what does 9/11 have to do with your post.

Iraq has everything to do with your post. Every time an explosion goes off (or any other violent action occurs) in Iraq, it is blamed on AlQaeda and Muslim extremists. Many people in Western media use it to make negative generalizations about all Muslim people.

Sorry Esra’a, but you’re not an Iraqi either, so why do you choose to believe American war propaganda? The pro-occupation blog you pointed to was exposed years ago as fraud run by collaborators on the payroll.

This is far from the point that I was trying to make, thanks a lot for dodging the issue… again!

According to survery after surver, Iraqis want Americans out, and over 80% support attacks on American occupation terrorists.

Care to provide the exact stats and link us to these surveys?

I happen to have met one of the creators behind Iraq the Model. They are average Iraqis with a different opinion than us, why should we dismiss them as “collaborators”? Where is this “evidence” that you base your idea off of, is it because they have met the President? This means they’re being paid to do what they do?

You back up none of your claims with sufficient posts and evidence.

Lastly I do not I appreciate at all the tone that you are using in your comments; be more respectful in approaching others.

And people, what does my post have to do with the Iraq war?

In the link I gave about the Zbigniew Brzezinski it says “The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs ["From the Shadows"], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention.”

Susan Maneck wrote ”My recollection is that the the US helped the Ba’ath part launch a coup in 1963 but Saddam was not that high up in the party at the time. He was just a thug. His rise to power had more to do with Saddam’s ability to manipulate General Ahmed Bakr. Yes, the US supported Saddam in his invasion of Iran which was every bit as much an act of aggression as his invasion of Kuwait.”

The CIA took part in the 1963 assignation of Abdul Karim Kassim, who had nationalized Iraqi oil companies.. Saddam Hussein became head of Iraq’s secret service and collaborated with the CIA to massacre thousands of Iraqis who disagreed with the new regime. Also, the U.S. puppet Saddam Hussein got the okay from the United States before he invaded Kuwait.
By the way, the United States provided weapons and false strategic advice to both sides of the Iran-Iraq war. see http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=15&ItemID=2292

Susan Maneck, wrote, “The best figures I’ve seen is that Americans are responsible for 37% of the civilian deaths. My figures come from the Iraqi Body Count Project which is anti-war.”

The sources that Iraqi Body Count uses do not have the will, money, time or resources to investigate the causes of all the deaths in Iraq. Many of the people on the political left like to pretend that what is going on in Iraq is just a civil war so that they do not have to bear the responsibility have allowing a genocide in Iraq to occur.

Susan Maneck wrote,” The actual reason may not be as conspiratorial as you think. I think Bush just wanted revenge for Saddam’s attempt on his father’s life. Afterwards he uses it to benefit his cronies, it’s true.”

The Kuwaitis are the source of this claim of an attempt on Father Bush’s life. The same ones who told us that Saddam’s army was pulling babies out of incubators and throwing them on the floor. Even if it were true that Saddam attempted to assassinate Bush, I hardly think it justifies the murder of over a million of Iraqis? George Bush should be put on trial for his war crimes, what do you think?

Susan Maneck wrote, “It is highly unlikely they will remain in Iraq after US withdrawal. It has been much too dangerous for them as it is. Over a thousand contractors have been killed.”

Are you aware that the United States has built an embassy in Iraq that is 104-acres, the size of about 80 football fields?