Comments on: Most Arabic Yahoo groups are about sex http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/11/09/most-arabic-yahoo-groups-are-about-sex/ Mideast Youth is a network dedicated to eliminate extremist ideologies and ignorance from the Middle East. Sat, 17 May 2008 03:19:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=6294 By: Pikachu http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/11/09/most-arabic-yahoo-groups-are-about-sex/#comment-138440 Pikachu Thu, 24 Apr 2008 06:06:31 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/11/09/most-arabic-yahoo-groups-are-about-sex/#comment-138440 Great article, if anything it says a lot about who we really (typically) are when social factors are removed. I look at a lot of the behaviour experienced in online gaming as another example of this more 'natural' aspect to ourselves. Take away personal accountability and/or possible consequences and the outcome is really sobering. Online gaming has made me sceptical about human nature at large. All of that said though, Im not so sure it is fair to conclude that a lack of sexual freedom results in perversion and sexual misadventure. I know that was Freud's take on the matter, but he had plenty of novel ideas..women are so envious. I think if we look at rates of abortion as an indication of unprepared for pregnancy, exclusively in western domains, we can probably see a vast difference between pre and post-liberation periods. Data wont be complete here, but in general Im sure some degree of difference can be discerned. More recently and reliably is the aggregate findings from social cognitive studies as they relate to media, aggression and behaviours in general. Most studies have shown a significant link between long term media exposure of violence and corresponding behaviour in children or adults. In related studies, pornography has been shown to desensitise and even promote the idea of violence against women. Other factors such as supposed biological dispositions have been dually tested and compared and shown to not primarily account for the overall trend resulting from the relationships in question. Biology and the like all play their part, the important point to fully recognise is the extent to which human social behaviour is constructed from environmental sources. It seems like problems are everywhere. Personally if I had a choice, I would follow the advice suggested above regarding swamping the ME with liberal amounts of pornography and video games. If only on the assumption this would end the nightmarish oppression against women in those parts. I would simply see this as the lesser of two evils. However that seems to birth another set of unique problems, where, to continue the divide, in the West young girls are being raised in a contemporary environment that enshrines the pron star mindset in place of the princess ideal that used to predominate. Maybe the Princess ideal is more 'oppressive', but this unchecked emphasis on sexuality and the extent to which it has pervaded society is becoming readily apparent in the social normalities of young children. I think it is really complicated being human, we are all in a spot of bother. We just need to keep trying to work it all out. Great article, if anything it says a lot about who we really (typically) are when social factors are removed.

I look at a lot of the behaviour experienced in online gaming as another example of this more ‘natural’ aspect to ourselves. Take away personal accountability and/or possible consequences and the outcome is really sobering. Online gaming has made me sceptical about human nature at large.

All of that said though, Im not so sure it is fair to conclude that a lack of sexual freedom results in perversion and sexual misadventure. I know that was Freud’s take on the matter, but he had plenty of novel ideas..women are so envious.

I think if we look at rates of abortion as an indication of unprepared for pregnancy, exclusively in western domains, we can probably see a vast difference between pre and post-liberation periods. Data wont be complete here, but in general Im sure some degree of difference can be discerned.

More recently and reliably is the aggregate findings from social cognitive studies as they relate to media, aggression and behaviours in general. Most studies have shown a significant link between long term media exposure of violence and corresponding behaviour in children or adults.

In related studies, pornography has been shown to desensitise and even promote the idea of violence against women.

Other factors such as supposed biological dispositions have been dually tested and compared and shown to not primarily account for the overall trend resulting from the relationships in question.

Biology and the like all play their part, the important point to fully recognise is the extent to which human social behaviour is constructed from environmental sources.

It seems like problems are everywhere. Personally if I had a choice, I would follow the advice suggested above regarding swamping the ME with liberal amounts of pornography and video games. If only on the assumption this would end the nightmarish oppression against women in those parts. I would simply see this as the lesser of two evils.

However that seems to birth another set of unique problems, where, to continue the divide, in the West young girls are being raised in a contemporary environment that enshrines the pron star mindset in place of the princess ideal that used to predominate.

Maybe the Princess ideal is more ‘oppressive’, but this unchecked emphasis on sexuality and the extent to which it has pervaded society is becoming readily apparent in the social normalities of young children.

I think it is really complicated being human, we are all in a spot of bother. We just need to keep trying to work it all out.

]]> By: Why adult sites do well in the Middle East - Mideast Youth - Thinking Ahead http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/11/09/most-arabic-yahoo-groups-are-about-sex/#comment-138340 Why adult sites do well in the Middle East - Mideast Youth - Thinking Ahead Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:46:20 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/11/09/most-arabic-yahoo-groups-are-about-sex/#comment-138340 [...] do well in the Middle East Author: Esra'a (Bahrain) - April 23, 2008 A few months ago, I wrote this post, which was misunderstood by narrow-minded racists and Islamophobes, the latter of which seem to be [...] […] do well in the Middle East Author: Esra’a (Bahrain) - April 23, 2008 A few months ago, I wrote this post, which was misunderstood by narrow-minded racists and Islamophobes, the latter of which seem to be […]

]]> By: KHOLIO http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/11/09/most-arabic-yahoo-groups-are-about-sex/#comment-129733 KHOLIO Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:26:42 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/11/09/most-arabic-yahoo-groups-are-about-sex/#comment-129733 Jina ,i didnt see any precedent active comments of you,so,whow u come and accuse me iam not logical? Jina ,i didnt see any precedent active comments of you,so,whow u come and accuse me iam not logical?

]]> By: Jina http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/11/09/most-arabic-yahoo-groups-are-about-sex/#comment-129681 Jina Wed, 02 Apr 2008 13:37:33 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/11/09/most-arabic-yahoo-groups-are-about-sex/#comment-129681 KHOLIO, you are annoying, you are not logical. Get on with the original topic. KHOLIO, you are annoying, you are not logical. Get on with the original topic.

]]> By: KHOLIO http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/11/09/most-arabic-yahoo-groups-are-about-sex/#comment-129672 KHOLIO Wed, 02 Apr 2008 13:28:16 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/11/09/most-arabic-yahoo-groups-are-about-sex/#comment-129672 Edwin,yes you annoyed me when i found u want to apear like if you wanna defend for islam is someway,while you type in the same line that you dont respect islam...how can i see that but SCHEZOPHRENIC?-,excuse me but its the right word for perefect description....... so plz,dont talk about percents of ppl leave islam to deisme in Turkey or any other country....it dosent work here ,not a useful way,stop mixing matters plz.. we are all know very well,how Turkey gonna turn to islamic laws step by step ,we all know about the last elections.. waiting your e mailing....,thank you Edwin,yes you annoyed me when i found u want to apear like if you wanna defend for islam is someway,while you type in the same line that you dont respect islam…how can i see that but SCHEZOPHRENIC?-,excuse me but its the right word for perefect description…….

so plz,dont talk about percents of ppl leave islam to deisme in Turkey or any other country….it dosent work here ,not a useful way,stop mixing matters plz..

we are all know very well,how Turkey gonna turn to islamic laws step by step ,we all know about the last elections..

waiting your e mailing….,thank you

]]> By: Edwin http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/11/09/most-arabic-yahoo-groups-are-about-sex/#comment-129622 Edwin Wed, 02 Apr 2008 12:35:39 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/11/09/most-arabic-yahoo-groups-are-about-sex/#comment-129622 KHOLIO, Not everyone in the world is Islamic. In Turkey many people who leave Islam become Deist like me, It was necessary for me to state clearly that I opposed the misuse of the information on this site by people who had an anti-Islamic agenda, even though I am not a Muslim myself. I really don't see why my having a differing philosophical view point should annoy you, after all part of what makes the world interesting, is that God created great diversity, in appearance and mind, and if everyone saw the world in the same way, the world would become much less interesting. Esra, I apologize to you if the way in which I have stated things has caused too much off topic discussion on your board. I shall write to KHOLIO directly. KHOLIO, Not everyone in the world is Islamic. In Turkey many people who leave Islam become Deist like me, It was necessary for me to state clearly that I opposed the misuse of the information on this site by people who had an anti-Islamic agenda, even though I am not a Muslim myself. I really don’t see why my having a differing philosophical view point should annoy you, after all part of what makes the world interesting, is that God created great diversity, in appearance and mind, and if everyone saw the world in the same way, the world would become much less interesting.

Esra, I apologize to you if the way in which I have stated things has caused too much off topic discussion on your board. I shall write to KHOLIO directly.

]]> By: KHOLIO http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/11/09/most-arabic-yahoo-groups-are-about-sex/#comment-129304 KHOLIO Tue, 01 Apr 2008 23:28:18 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/11/09/most-arabic-yahoo-groups-are-about-sex/#comment-129304 OK Edwin,this is what i was thinking about ,making private chat...this is my e mail <strong>paris_paris76@yahoo.com</strong>............,,i will be happy to discus u any time u love,around religions or any other subject u choose just notice,i just was annoyed from ur saying in the beginning that u dont respect islam philosophy in this short way short words....not enough to make sense to me or any man of logic welcome any time....... OK Edwin,this is what i was thinking about ,making private chat…this is my e mail paris_paris76@yahoo.com…………,,i will be happy to discus u any time u love,around religions or any other subject u choose

just notice,i just was annoyed from ur saying in the beginning that u dont respect islam philosophy in this short way short words….not enough to make sense to me or any man of logic

welcome any time…….

]]> By: Edwin http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/11/09/most-arabic-yahoo-groups-are-about-sex/#comment-129276 Edwin Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:03:47 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/11/09/most-arabic-yahoo-groups-are-about-sex/#comment-129276 KHOLIO, I admire your persistence in attempting to force me into a discussion of religion, however, this forum is not an appropriate place for this discussion, this forum is about sexual repression, education and the perceptions that others have of taboos. Religion really is such a trivial and unimportant thing for you to be wasting your time and efforts on, but if you absolutely insist I will be happy to satisfy your need to learn about my religion in a place that is appropriate to that purpose. Please provide me with an appropriate forum or email address and I will be delighted to converse with you there. In the meantime, I suggest that you stop trying to hijack the purpose of this forum, and my attempt to defend the Islamic religion from attacks by others, who would use the information presented for scurrilous purposes. KHOLIO, I admire your persistence in attempting to force me into a discussion of religion, however, this forum is not an appropriate place for this discussion, this forum is about sexual repression, education and the perceptions that others have of taboos. Religion really is such a trivial and unimportant thing for you to be wasting your time and efforts on, but if you absolutely insist I will be happy to satisfy your need to learn about my religion in a place that is appropriate to that purpose. Please provide me with an appropriate forum or email address and I will be delighted to converse with you there. In the meantime, I suggest that you stop trying to hijack the purpose of this forum, and my attempt to defend the Islamic religion from attacks by others, who would use the information presented for scurrilous purposes.

]]> By: KHOLIO http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/11/09/most-arabic-yahoo-groups-are-about-sex/#comment-129269 KHOLIO Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:09:44 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/11/09/most-arabic-yahoo-groups-are-about-sex/#comment-129269 Ok Edwin,i have to answer u now logical way ,out of religious texts or scriptures....u told u refuse the pillars of islam which may make one place is holy than other places,right?so,may u look at all geograghical places same way?or may be deserts are better than gardens for example?or may place or country be more important or great for its place on the map or on the earth?so may the salty water in sea or ocean can be equal with the rivers water?.....u should look at the events which happen in some places to determine how this places is important more than others.....so if its important may that make it sacred for god for its history and the events which passed over it................,so,its same for the days,or months,its not similars as the atmosphers say,or as the astrology say,and as seasons say......so may evnets and actions in some days make it important than others....the spring not like automne for example,etc..........and as i said for the taxes,no economy of country...no country can be established without taxes.....i can discus ur words one after one....,but i find u run away to discus religions................... Ok Edwin,i have to answer u now logical way ,out of religious texts or scriptures….u told u refuse the pillars of islam which may make one place is holy than other places,right?so,may u look at all geograghical places same way?or may be deserts are better than gardens for example?or may place or country be more important or great for its place on the map or on the earth?so may the salty water in sea or ocean can be equal with the rivers water?…..u should look at the events which happen in some places to determine how this places is important more than others…..so if its important may that make it sacred for god for its history and the events which passed over it…………….,so,its same for the days,or months,its not similars as the atmosphers say,or as the astrology say,and as seasons say……so may evnets and actions in some days make it important than others….the spring not like automne for example,etc……….and as i said for the taxes,no economy of country…no country can be established without taxes…..i can discus ur words one after one….,but i find u run away to discus religions……………….

]]> By: Edwin http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/11/09/most-arabic-yahoo-groups-are-about-sex/#comment-129229 Edwin Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:47:33 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/11/09/most-arabic-yahoo-groups-are-about-sex/#comment-129229 KHOLIO, thank you for your invitation to discuss religious matters, but as I have asserted that I am neither Jew, nor Christian, you can reasonably know that the contents of the "Bible" have no meaning for me, and so I must regretfully decline to enter into your competition of which texts say what. However if you are determined to find out more about my religion, I suggest that you read the laws of God as stated in the one place common to us all and written by no creatures hand. KHOLIO, thank you for your invitation to discuss religious matters, but as I have asserted that I am neither Jew, nor Christian, you can reasonably know that the contents of the “Bible” have no meaning for me, and so I must regretfully decline to enter into your competition of which texts say what. However if you are determined to find out more about my religion, I suggest that you read the laws of God as stated in the one place common to us all and written by no creatures hand.

]]> By: Edwin http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/11/09/most-arabic-yahoo-groups-are-about-sex/#comment-129227 Edwin Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:37:37 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/11/09/most-arabic-yahoo-groups-are-about-sex/#comment-129227 Esra, yet you have no difficulty discussing here, on this forum. It takes years of exposure to new ideas to change the way in which people think, and that is what you appear to be doing here, opening discussion, causing people to think for themselves. For the longest time, so called "christian" countries were repressive, and it is my belief that the main reason for it was to prevent out of wedlock pregnancy, at times when contraception was not available, so to control it, shame was introduced to control peoples behavior. I do not know if that is the case in Islamic countries, but I do know that many Imams are quite happy to discuss sex and sex related problems, with no appearance of shame associated with it. So I have to conclude that just because there is repression, which leads to lewd curiosity in Islamic countries, it is not a fault of Islam itself. Esra, yet you have no difficulty discussing here, on this forum. It takes years of exposure to new ideas to change the way in which people think, and that is what you appear to be doing here, opening discussion, causing people to think for themselves. For the longest time, so called “christian” countries were repressive, and it is my belief that the main reason for it was to prevent out of wedlock pregnancy, at times when contraception was not available, so to control it, shame was introduced to control peoples behavior. I do not know if that is the case in Islamic countries, but I do know that many Imams are quite happy to discuss sex and sex related problems, with no appearance of shame associated with it. So I have to conclude that just because there is repression, which leads to lewd curiosity in Islamic countries, it is not a fault of Islam itself.

]]> By: Esra'a http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/11/09/most-arabic-yahoo-groups-are-about-sex/#comment-129203 Esra'a Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:34:59 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/11/09/most-arabic-yahoo-groups-are-about-sex/#comment-129203 If it's parental, then you propose that we educate the parents, too. Not everyone is as wise as you are. In terms of doing something effectively as a community, sex education makes sense to me, both to the parents and children. We can't rely on parents to come to their senses in taboo-filled societies where "sex" is not to be uttered in most households. If it’s parental, then you propose that we educate the parents, too. Not everyone is as wise as you are. In terms of doing something effectively as a community, sex education makes sense to me, both to the parents and children. We can’t rely on parents to come to their senses in taboo-filled societies where “sex” is not to be uttered in most households.

]]> By: Edwin http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/11/09/most-arabic-yahoo-groups-are-about-sex/#comment-129190 Edwin Tue, 01 Apr 2008 14:32:38 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/11/09/most-arabic-yahoo-groups-are-about-sex/#comment-129190 Esra, I have found from my own experience that repression leads to morbid curiosity, and openness dispels. However it is much more than sex education in school, it is the parental attitude that matters the most in bringing up healthy children. If discussion of sex, or admission that humans are sexual beings is repressed at home, then when sex education is introduced at school, the children become giggling idiots. On the other hand there is also the idea that there can be too much exposure to sex, thus devaluing it as a matter of expression between couples. I have lived in cities where hard core pornography is openly for sale at every newspaper stand, and one cannot help seeing it. That in its own way is also a perversion. It has been my preference to admit that we are sexually motivated beings, but to keep the actual practice as a private matter between the people who are doing it. Esra, I have found from my own experience that repression leads to morbid curiosity, and openness dispels. However it is much more than sex education in school, it is the parental attitude that matters the most in bringing up healthy children. If discussion of sex, or admission that humans are sexual beings is repressed at home, then when sex education is introduced at school, the children become giggling idiots. On the other hand there is also the idea that there can be too much exposure to sex, thus devaluing it as a matter of expression between couples. I have lived in cities where hard core pornography is openly for sale at every newspaper stand, and one cannot help seeing it. That in its own way is also a perversion. It has been my preference to admit that we are sexually motivated beings, but to keep the actual practice as a private matter between the people who are doing it.

]]> By: KHOLIO http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/11/09/most-arabic-yahoo-groups-are-about-sex/#comment-129185 KHOLIO Tue, 01 Apr 2008 14:08:09 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/11/09/most-arabic-yahoo-groups-are-about-sex/#comment-129185 Edwin,i challenge u to show me any kind of scriptures in this world ,special the bible or the old testament,show us if any holy verse say no sacred place can be over other places,no sacred day can be over others ,and tell us which laws of any cuntries forbide taxes or how can any economy be estabilshed without taxes?answer plz or u r loser................... Edwin,i challenge u to show me any kind of scriptures in this world ,special the bible or the old testament,show us if any holy verse say no sacred place can be over other places,no sacred day can be over others ,and tell us which laws of any cuntries forbide taxes or how can any economy be estabilshed without taxes?answer plz or u r loser……………….

]]> By: Edwin http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/11/09/most-arabic-yahoo-groups-are-about-sex/#comment-129184 Edwin Tue, 01 Apr 2008 14:04:59 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/11/09/most-arabic-yahoo-groups-are-about-sex/#comment-129184 KHOLIO, my you are an impatient person. I do have other things to do beside sit here and wait for you to snipe at me. Wherever did you get the bizarre idea that this was a discussion of religion? I have politely answered the questions that you have asked, even though religion is a private matter. Is it an attribute of your religious belief system, that everything is a competition, which you need to win? Is it your intent to debate the relative merits of various religious beliefs? I am curious why you have made the assumption that I am either a jew or a christian. You can know from the fact that I have twice now, and do so a third time, asserted that I am a monodeist, that I am neither a jew, nor a christian. Please tell me why you have made these assumptions. KHOLIO, my you are an impatient person. I do have other things to do beside sit here and wait for you to snipe at me. Wherever did you get the bizarre idea that this was a discussion of religion? I have politely answered the questions that you have asked, even though religion is a private matter. Is it an attribute of your religious belief system, that everything is a competition, which you need to win? Is it your intent to debate the relative merits of various religious beliefs? I am curious why you have made the assumption that I am either a jew or a christian. You can know from the fact that I have twice now, and do so a third time, asserted that I am a monodeist, that I am neither a jew, nor a christian. Please tell me why you have made these assumptions.

]]> By: Esra'a http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/11/09/most-arabic-yahoo-groups-are-about-sex/#comment-129181 Esra'a Tue, 01 Apr 2008 14:00:51 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/11/09/most-arabic-yahoo-groups-are-about-sex/#comment-129181 Kholio you are missing the point, and Edwin I suggest you ignore him as he is not being very relevant at all to the thread at hand. As for your comment here: <blockquote>it is wrong of certain commentators to use the prevalence of certain search terms to suggest that followers of Islam were a particularly dirty minded lot.</blockquote> I agree with this, it was far from the intention of this post. The intention of the post was to show that sex being a taboo is what causes this kind of "curiosity" (and I would go as far as to say perversion, too) in our sheltered societies. If sex wasn't a taboo, and if young people went through sex education, I believe the search results would be very different. Kholio you are missing the point, and Edwin I suggest you ignore him as he is not being very relevant at all to the thread at hand. As for your comment here:

it is wrong of certain commentators to use the prevalence of certain search terms to suggest that followers of Islam were a particularly dirty minded lot.

I agree with this, it was far from the intention of this post. The intention of the post was to show that sex being a taboo is what causes this kind of “curiosity” (and I would go as far as to say perversion, too) in our sheltered societies. If sex wasn’t a taboo, and if young people went through sex education, I believe the search results would be very different.

]]> By: KHOLIO http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/11/09/most-arabic-yahoo-groups-are-about-sex/#comment-129180 KHOLIO Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:56:34 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/11/09/most-arabic-yahoo-groups-are-about-sex/#comment-129180 so,now u wanna give up?come on and tell me plz,what is ur religion exactley,and <strong>which kind of texts in ur scripture can be agree and confirm ur refusing to islam pillars?</strong> so,now u wanna give up?come on and tell me plz,what is ur religion exactley,and which kind of texts in ur scripture can be agree and confirm ur refusing to islam pillars?

]]> By: Edwin http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/11/09/most-arabic-yahoo-groups-are-about-sex/#comment-129177 Edwin Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:52:22 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/11/09/most-arabic-yahoo-groups-are-about-sex/#comment-129177 KHOLIO, Thank you for you interest in my belief system, I have now told you my religion twice. The only point I was trying to make, was that it is wrong of certain commentators to use the prevalence of certain search terms to suggest that followers of Islam were a particularly dirty minded lot. KHOLIO,
Thank you for you interest in my belief system, I have now told you my religion twice. The only point I was trying to make, was that it is wrong of certain commentators to use the prevalence of certain search terms to suggest that followers of Islam were a particularly dirty minded lot.

]]> By: KHOLIO http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/11/09/most-arabic-yahoo-groups-are-about-sex/#comment-129168 KHOLIO Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:41:53 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/11/09/most-arabic-yahoo-groups-are-about-sex/#comment-129168 Edwin,if u didnt reply my question,i will count myself as winer,coz my debat was opening as a challengment from the begining..................what is ur religion..jew or christian? Edwin,if u didnt reply my question,i will count myself as winer,coz my debat was opening as a challengment from the begining………………what is ur religion..jew or christian?

]]> By: KHOLIO http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/11/09/most-arabic-yahoo-groups-are-about-sex/#comment-129162 KHOLIO Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:23:32 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/11/09/most-arabic-yahoo-groups-are-about-sex/#comment-129162 its so important to know ur religious background if we r into a religious discusion mr Edwin....what iam sure about, that u r a secular one....but i didnt get ur category of faith yet....so ,may u do?................. its so important to know ur religious background if we r into a religious discusion mr Edwin….what iam sure about, that u r a secular one….but i didnt get ur category of faith yet….so ,may u do?……………..

]]> By: KHOLIO http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/11/09/most-arabic-yahoo-groups-are-about-sex/#comment-129160 KHOLIO Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:18:34 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/11/09/most-arabic-yahoo-groups-are-about-sex/#comment-129160 well,thanks any way to choose to answer Edwin,iam gonna reply,but i need to know ur religion plz to can reply good way....so,may u tell us,which scripture u follow?.....after u do,i will analyse ur words one after one ...thanks well,thanks any way to choose to answer Edwin,iam gonna reply,but i need to know ur religion plz to can reply good way….so,may u tell us,which scripture u follow?…..after u do,i will analyse ur words one after one …thanks

]]> By: Edwin http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/11/09/most-arabic-yahoo-groups-are-about-sex/#comment-129159 Edwin Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:12:15 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/11/09/most-arabic-yahoo-groups-are-about-sex/#comment-129159 KHOLIO. I have told you, I am a monodeist. 1) Shahadah (profession of faith) I do not need to profess my faith to anyone. I only need it inside myself 2) Salat (ritual prayer five times each day) God does not need my worship. My grateful thanks for this one experience of life is constantly within me. 3) Sawm (fasting during Ramadan) No day or period of time is any more holy than another. 4) Zakat (Islamic tax or tithing) I am a pillar of my community and perform works of contribution to my society through organizations I belong to. I contribute my time to those things I believe are right. 5) Hajj (Pilgrimage to Mecca at least once during life). No place on earth is anymore holy than any other. I do not need to perform Hajj I hope that is a complete and clear answer to your inquiry KHOLIO.
I have told you, I am a monodeist.

1) Shahadah (profession of faith)
I do not need to profess my faith to anyone. I only need it inside myself

2) Salat (ritual prayer five times each day)
God does not need my worship. My grateful thanks for this one experience of life is constantly within me.

3) Sawm (fasting during Ramadan)
No day or period of time is any more holy than another.

4) Zakat (Islamic tax or tithing)
I am a pillar of my community and perform works of contribution to my society through organizations I belong to. I contribute my time to those things I believe are right.

5) Hajj (Pilgrimage to Mecca at least once during life).
No place on earth is anymore holy than any other. I do not need to perform Hajj

I hope that is a complete and clear answer to your inquiry

]]> By: KHOLIO http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/11/09/most-arabic-yahoo-groups-are-about-sex/#comment-129157 KHOLIO Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:08:29 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/11/09/most-arabic-yahoo-groups-are-about-sex/#comment-129157 iam waiting mr Edwin............. iam waiting mr Edwin………….

]]> By: KHOLIO http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/11/09/most-arabic-yahoo-groups-are-about-sex/#comment-129155 KHOLIO Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:02:23 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/11/09/most-arabic-yahoo-groups-are-about-sex/#comment-129155 so,may u be generous ,and tell us Edwin ...what is the certain pillars which are not requirments of you philosophical outlook,and may u determin to us ur philosophical outlook exactley...and may what is ur religion too? so,may u be generous ,and tell us Edwin …what is the certain pillars which are not requirments of you philosophical outlook,and may u determin to us ur philosophical outlook exactley…and may what is ur religion too?

]]> By: Edwin http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/11/09/most-arabic-yahoo-groups-are-about-sex/#comment-129154 Edwin Tue, 01 Apr 2008 12:55:59 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/11/09/most-arabic-yahoo-groups-are-about-sex/#comment-129154 <blockquote> KHOLIO Wrote: TO EDWIN……………..so,why u dont respect islam as a valid philosophy Edwin,and why islam is not apear as a valid philosophy for you?so….,what is the valid philosophy for you?</blockquote> I have spent a lifetime of thought and inquiry and am a monodeist. Islam contains certain "pillars", which are not requirements of my philosophical outlook.

KHOLIO Wrote:

TO EDWIN……………..so,why u dont respect islam as a valid philosophy Edwin,and why islam is not apear as a valid philosophy for you?so….,what is the valid philosophy for you?

I have spent a lifetime of thought and inquiry and am a monodeist. Islam contains certain “pillars”, which are not requirements of my philosophical outlook.

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