“Palestinians dying is the the practice of ‘basic morality’” —in the world of Bizarro.

” Palestinians dying is the practice of “basic morality” and can thus be justified in the name of peace and security”
What does that even mean?

“Anyways, this discussion will go nowhere”

Who cares about Memri, or even the Bnai Brith Bowling league for that matter? Give me a break.

The only reason I am even commenting here is because I found the content of this movie so disturbing.

I simply was stating that Israel won’t stop doing what they are doing as long as the Palestinians are doing what they are doing. I also believe the Palestinians won’t stop doing what they are doing until the Israelis stop doing what they are doing. The Israeli’s probably believe that the Palestinians won’t stop doing what they are doing, even if the Israelis stop doing what they are doing. The Palestinians, too.

Please re-read my first post. My opinion was regarding the Israelis. You’re assuming I think the Israelis should be killing Palestinians, but I don’t think that at all. I wish there could be peace there.

It’s easy to call me “abusive” as a knee jerk response to an opinion based on history. It’s hard to actually add something constructive, isn’t it? Remember rule 2 of the comment policy: If you disagree with an opinion expressed in one of the articles, please refute the arguments politely. Attack the argument, not the person who expressed it.
In AA they call that “Principles over Personality” (based on the fact that I’ve quoted an AA book, you probably assume that I’m an alcoholic also–but that isn’t the case).

Israel has made concession after concession to the Palestinians, but to what end? They give up land, and get more destruction. The UN has provided billions of dollars to the Palestinians, but to what end? The money is distributed and then it is gone. The Arab countries keep the Palestinians in camps, but to what end? More war-Lebanon, right?

What is your solution then? Continue bombing each other until the bitter end? What do you think? My solution is for the Palestinians to stop terrorism… then the Israelis will stop their so called “state-sanctioned” terrorism. And then the Israelis and the Palestinians can live side by side in harmony.

Supporting suicide and homicide is wrong. Bombing into residential neighborhoods is wrong. Any justification of terrorism continues the cycle.

State sanctioned terrorism? Well, responsibility gets a little blurry here. It’s like corporation sponsored pollution–a catastrophe happens, the corporation pays a small fine, we can’t swim in the ocean anymore. The corporation has record earnings. The few guys that own the company live in mansions on top of hills, the rest of us continue our small struggle of survival in the little towns along the shore. And we’re all still using their oil.

Here are a couple more definitions for clarity’s sake:

murder: the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought
terrorism: : violent or destructive acts (as bombing) committed by groups in order to intimidate a population or government into granting their demands

You see terrorism doesn’t work. No matter who it is perpetrated against. Therefore I condem it.

Good luck in your quest for peace.

It burns me up that terrorism exist in the world. It burns me up that people justify it, and irrationally defend it.

The way you justify Israeli terrorism against innocent Palestinian civilians?

Why do you think these “peasants” would be suicidal in the first place, because it’s in their genes to hate, according to Israeli propaganda and organizations such as MEMRI?

Anyways, this discussion will go nowhere. You think it’s okay to kill innocent civilians in the name of “security,” which Israel maintains mostly in the name of murder. In my opinion, that’s racism, holding a nation as one of more worth than another. Israelis dying is bad and deserves retaliation. Palestinians dying is the practice of “basic morality” and can thus be justified in the name of peace and security. That mentality is abusive and irrational.

And I don’t see anyone else here but you justifying terrorism. Who said it’s okay? I just thing it’s wrong to pass off IDF crimes, which are numerous, as just “military action” simply because they are state-sanctioned.

Do you think an Israeli’s blood is worth more than a Palestinian’s?

Here’s a few definitions for you.

Racism: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.

Peasant: usually uneducated person of low social status

Suicidal:a: dangerous especially to life b: destructive to one’s own interests

Abusive: using harsh insulting language

Name calling is one way to provoke a response. Any fool can take part in these discussions simply by accusing the other participants of ignorance, or name calling, it’s called “flaming”.

Abusive? I find it funny that people who support terrorism are most sensitive when they are accused of supporting murder. A+B=B+A

See the President of Iran if you want to learn about racist diatribe.

It burns me up that terrorism exist in the world. It burns me up that people justify it, and irrationally defend it. Thanks.

Suicidal Peasants… It’s called basic morality.

No.

It’s called abusive racism. And you qualify for such a title.

“Jewish Palestine” aka “Israel” wasn’t established through violence, just maintained through it after its establishment. And with a costly compromise–post-modern, pan-islamist 1930′s style anti-semitic fascism.

No state can be established by a disorganized group of people through violent unjust acts perpetrated with a sense of indecency and ignorance. As long as the Palestinians are asking other people for freedom and dignity, it’s not going to happen. The bomber’s parents were just plain irrational. Suicidal Peasants. If this group can stop with their murder justifications, then maybe there will be some hope for the establishment of Palestinian State.

It’s called basic morality.

I think that an Israeli soldier, or his parents, would not think that the action that kills an innocent Palestinian has any honor or dignity associated with it.

Right… and we live in a world of make belive, with little lepricans and… or maybe that’s why the asshole who emptied his M16 into Iman al-Hams walked. I guess he made all Israelis proud and honoured when he killed a child in cold blood so they had to let him go.

In Israel, we all know that killing an innocent Palestinian during an operation is awful and wrong. There is no intent in performing such an action as when it happens no one can feel any honor, dignity and pride in such a result.

Israelis don’t live like animals in a farm. Can’t say the same for Palestinian living under Israeli occupation. I can see the honour, dignity and pride in killing someone who is part of the system that is enslaving you and ultimately responsible for their own demise.

But Ray, the outcome of this would have been different if Ayat’s mother said “What Ayat did was wrong. To all other Palestinian parents, if your children commit such acts there is no pride, no dignity, no honor – just pure loss!!!”

When Palestinians are free, there won’t be an Ayat, then you will have what you asked for, till then good luck living in your fantasy world.

I did not see any remorse in Ayat’s mother nor her father. He even stated that we all die eventually so at least she died with dignity with and honor. How does any culture or any parent believe that their child killing themselves and another child has any speck of dignity or honor associated with it?

I think that an Israeli soldier, or his parents, would not think that the action that kills an innocent Palestinian has any honor or dignity associated with it.

Rachel’s mother only asked that Ayat’s mother condemn this action and tell other Palestinians that what Ayat did was wrong. That’s all she was looking for. She was looking for another person to talk to not another person’s political views.

In Israel, we all know that killing an innocent Palestinian during an operation is awful and wrong. There is no intent in performing such an action as when it happens no one can feel any honor, dignity and pride in such a result.

I can understand any Palestinian not enjoying this documentary and I support you retaliatory reaction – they should show the other side. But Ray, the outcome of this would have been different if Ayat’s mother said “What Ayat did was wrong. To all other Palestinian parents, if your children commit such acts there is no pride, no dignity, no honor – just pure loss!!!”