Comments on: Benazir’s Chastisement http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/12/28/benazir%e2%80%99s-chastisement/ Thinking Ahead Sat, 11 Feb 2012 20:46:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: elinor(Iran) http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/12/28/benazir%e2%80%99s-chastisement/#comment-16341 elinor(Iran) Tue, 08 Jan 2008 00:57:09 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/12/28/benazir%e2%80%99s-chastisement/#comment-16341 Juli I just need to dominate my ego, as not to suffocate me and not to kick some one else in the.... leg :) Juli
I just need to dominate my ego, as not to suffocate me and not to kick some one else in the…. leg :)

]]> By: Juli http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/12/28/benazir%e2%80%99s-chastisement/#comment-16340 Juli Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:18:18 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/12/28/benazir%e2%80%99s-chastisement/#comment-16340 What I read here is much hate and intolerance of others views. If it happens here, why are you so surpised that it happens on a larger scale? Is it not one of the unique abilities of Islam, Judaism or Christianity? No one is exempt. The few always wish to dominate the many. It is the perceived priveledged rights of man. Human development is always impeded by the few who seek control for themselves. What I read here is much hate and intolerance of others views. If it happens here, why are you so surpised that it happens on a larger scale? Is it not one of the unique abilities of Islam, Judaism or Christianity? No one is exempt. The few always wish to dominate the many. It is the perceived priveledged rights of man. Human development is always impeded by the few who seek control for themselves.

]]> By: Danial http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/12/28/benazir%e2%80%99s-chastisement/#comment-16339 Danial Thu, 03 Jan 2008 18:36:45 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/12/28/benazir%e2%80%99s-chastisement/#comment-16339 R E you fucking retard, I'm Republican. My views are closer to Pat Buchanan than to the jackasses in the Bay Area. R E you fucking retard, I’m Republican. My views are closer to Pat Buchanan than to the jackasses in the Bay Area.

]]> By: Elinor (Iran) http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/12/28/benazir%e2%80%99s-chastisement/#comment-16338 Elinor (Iran) Mon, 31 Dec 2007 04:09:37 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/12/28/benazir%e2%80%99s-chastisement/#comment-16338 Danial, As to problems with Hazarajat in Afganistan, I don't think that is because of their being SHiites, religion plays a secondary role when it comes to ethnicities in the region. An ethnic group in a certain period of time and in a particular place dominates and consequently other tribes and other ethnic group is neglected, their religions taken for granted and their rebelion suppressed. Here is where democracy comes to resque, all different ethnic groups and religious minorities have their representative who would share power and decision making. I hope this happen to our region as well, properly and truely as we all have the respect we deserve, sunni, shiite, bahai, christian, jewish, religious and non-religious people as a whole. You are right Danial, if I compare myself to those patient Hazara women who do not have a voice even in Iran where thousands of them have migrated, i do need to mark the difference of situation. Danial,
As to problems with Hazarajat in Afganistan, I don’t think that is because of their being SHiites, religion plays a secondary role when it comes to ethnicities in the region. An ethnic group in a certain period of time and in a particular place dominates and consequently other tribes and other ethnic group is neglected, their religions taken for granted and their rebelion suppressed. Here is where democracy comes to resque, all different ethnic groups and religious minorities have their representative who would share power and decision making. I hope this happen to our region as well, properly and truely as we all have the respect we deserve, sunni, shiite, bahai, christian, jewish, religious and non-religious people as a whole.
You are right Danial, if I compare myself to those patient Hazara women who do not have a voice even in Iran where thousands of them have migrated, i do need to mark the difference of situation.

]]> By: R E Konrad http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/12/28/benazir%e2%80%99s-chastisement/#comment-16337 R E Konrad Mon, 31 Dec 2007 03:21:13 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/12/28/benazir%e2%80%99s-chastisement/#comment-16337 That's right Daniel, or is that Denial? If the truth bites your ass, go to personal attacks. That is the tried and true tactic of the leftist liberal that you are. Truth stares in your eyes but you can't cop to it because that would mean admitting that you are less than right....tsk, tsk. Typical Berkley. You are right about one thing. Islam is not the problem . The power mongers using Islam as a vehicle to power is the problem. The west has them running scared because progress equals loss of their powerbase (which is ignorance and superstition). In the end, they will fall. Islam will survive and blossom again in it's true majesty and beauty. The power hungry, that are frantically inventing new rules and inventive reinterpitations, will crawl back into their holes. It's only a matter of time, and you can see that the evolution is happening already. Hope you can get your job pumping gas in Oakland back. You'll be back home with your liberal friends plotting your renewed attack on the "Establishment". Ah, happiness! That’s right Daniel, or is that Denial? If the truth bites your ass, go to personal attacks. That is the tried and true tactic of the leftist liberal that you are. Truth stares in your eyes but you can’t cop to it because that would mean admitting that you are less than right….tsk, tsk. Typical Berkley.
You are right about one thing. Islam is not the problem . The power mongers using Islam as a vehicle to power is the problem. The west has them running scared because progress equals loss of their powerbase (which is ignorance and superstition). In the end, they will fall. Islam will survive and blossom again in it’s true majesty and beauty. The power hungry, that are frantically inventing new rules and inventive reinterpitations, will crawl back into their holes. It’s only a matter of time, and you can see that the evolution is happening already. Hope you can get your job pumping gas in Oakland back. You’ll be back home with your liberal friends plotting your renewed attack on the “Establishment”. Ah, happiness!

]]> By: Danial http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/12/28/benazir%e2%80%99s-chastisement/#comment-16336 Danial Mon, 31 Dec 2007 02:15:14 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/12/28/benazir%e2%80%99s-chastisement/#comment-16336 Elinor, if you think living under Iran is bad, I suggest you speak to Shi'a Hazaras on what Hell they had to live under the rule of the Taliban. They had Sunni Islam shoved down their throats in the past 120 years or so (they are Shi'a Muslims) yet you never hear of any Hazara bashing on Islam, with the exception of Sunnism, which you really can't blame them for. Now I'm not saying Iran is a glorious utopia, but there are far worse religious governments out there, one that was a neighbor to your country, where women risked their own lives to flee to Iran where they could at least acquire basic necessities such as medical treatment and an education. As for the crackhead that called me a Berkeley grad, that couldn't be further from the truth. Yes I'm such a Berkeley grad that supports small government, a secular democracy, and fiscal responsibility. Yes I'm such a "Berkeley grad" *yawn. Fucking idiot. R E go back to LGF and jerk off to Robert Spencer and Charles Johnson. Elinor, if you think living under Iran is bad, I suggest you speak to Shi’a Hazaras on what Hell they had to live under the rule of the Taliban. They had Sunni Islam shoved down their throats in the past 120 years or so (they are Shi’a Muslims) yet you never hear of any Hazara bashing on Islam, with the exception of Sunnism, which you really can’t blame them for.

Now I’m not saying Iran is a glorious utopia, but there are far worse religious governments out there, one that was a neighbor to your country, where women risked their own lives to flee to Iran where they could at least acquire basic necessities such as medical treatment and an education.

As for the crackhead that called me a Berkeley grad, that couldn’t be further from the truth. Yes I’m such a Berkeley grad that supports small government, a secular democracy, and fiscal responsibility.

Yes I’m such a “Berkeley grad” *yawn. Fucking idiot. R E go back to LGF and jerk off to Robert Spencer and Charles Johnson.

]]> By: Elinor (Iran) http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/12/28/benazir%e2%80%99s-chastisement/#comment-16335 Elinor (Iran) Sat, 29 Dec 2007 18:11:32 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/12/28/benazir%e2%80%99s-chastisement/#comment-16335 Danial, I do understand why many Persians are annoyed when it comes to the use of force in the name of religion. We have had enough of that during these 29 years , after the revolution. Religion have been commanded and we had been monitored and patroled, so that we wouldn't sticking to religious laws. Even if you go to a party for a couple of hours and there tey tell you you should eat the cake and they make you eat and eat, would you like to taste the same thing any more when you step out of that party? The 28 years that has passed since the revolution had not been a party and the law inforcement not eating a piece of cake. Our youth reacting to negative aspects of claims in the name of religion , is natural, People think it is not, they are welcome to come and live under the same rules and see it for themselves. This will change if.. We shouldn't object the religions, religions are abstract concepts but the way people practice it and the way they claim they are the patrons of religion and what they do in the name of religion gives it the face it has to day, which is far from what it is supposed to be. The best way to save the identity and dignity of religon is to iberate it from State, liberate it from the manipulative hands of those who use and abuse it in the name of religion. Danial,
I do understand why many Persians are annoyed when it comes to the use of force in the name of religion. We have had enough of that during these 29 years , after the revolution. Religion have been commanded and we had been monitored and patroled, so that we wouldn’t sticking to religious laws. Even if you go to a party for a couple of hours and there tey tell you you should eat the cake and they make you eat and eat, would you like to taste the same thing any more when you step out of that party?
The 28 years that has passed since the revolution had not been a party and the law inforcement not eating a piece of cake. Our youth reacting to negative aspects of claims in the name of religion , is natural, People think it is not, they are welcome to come and live under the same rules and see it for themselves.
This will change if..
We shouldn’t object the religions, religions are abstract concepts but the way people practice it and the way they claim they are the patrons of religion and what they do in the name of religion gives it the face it has to day, which is far from what it is supposed to be.
The best way to save the identity and dignity of religon is to iberate it from State, liberate it from the manipulative hands of those who use and abuse it in the name of religion.

]]> By: Jina http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/12/28/benazir%e2%80%99s-chastisement/#comment-16334 Jina Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:38:37 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/12/28/benazir%e2%80%99s-chastisement/#comment-16334 <blockquote>They have shown that they can destroy…but can they build anything. Perhaps, just perhaps, this has become a way for desperate, pathetic, ignorant men, to commit suicide…yet have it be sanctioned by Islam, which normally frowns upon suicide. However you choose to look at it….you men are making a mess of the world.</blockquote>Sexist response are funny, especially when it comes from someone who have no idea what she's talking about.

They have shown that they can destroy…but can they build anything. Perhaps, just perhaps, this has become a way for desperate, pathetic, ignorant men, to commit suicide…yet have it be sanctioned by Islam, which normally frowns upon suicide. However you choose to look at it….you men are making a mess of the world.

Sexist response are funny, especially when it comes from someone who have no idea what she’s talking about.

]]> By: R E Konrad http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/12/28/benazir%e2%80%99s-chastisement/#comment-16333 R E Konrad Sat, 29 Dec 2007 15:34:05 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/12/28/benazir%e2%80%99s-chastisement/#comment-16333 I have to agree with Esra'a. "Political power grows from the barrel of a gun" is a quote from Mao that is pretty universal..and in reality, that's what it's all about. Religion is, and often has been, simply an instrument of repression or an excuse for thinly masked political agression. It's been used by Christians often in history. We humans are so twisted aren't we? I have to agree with Esra’a. “Political power grows from the barrel of a gun” is a quote from Mao that is pretty universal..and in reality, that’s what it’s all about. Religion is, and often has been, simply an instrument of repression or an excuse for thinly masked political agression. It’s been used by Christians often in history. We humans are so twisted aren’t we?

]]> By: Jahanshah Rashidian (Iran/Germany) http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/12/28/benazir%e2%80%99s-chastisement/#comment-16332 Jahanshah Rashidian (Iran/Germany) Sat, 29 Dec 2007 11:42:16 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/12/28/benazir%e2%80%99s-chastisement/#comment-16332 A feedback to your comments: What concerns Benazir Bhutto, she had her ups and downs, she was a human, a flawed heroine on Shakespearean dimensions. She will remain a beacon to the tiny distant flame of democracy and modernity in Pakistan. Even if as a PM, she had close relations in 90th with the then US-backed Taliban in Afghanistan, then, she turned the back to them when the world changed. For some Iranians with a nostalgia for the late Shah, I would remind them that the Shah does not merit the shakespearean dimensions. A frowned Shakespeare would not even mention his name. Some younger Iranians, who did not experience the Shah's dictatorship, only stick to complain that the IRI was brought to power to rob the throne. I do not believe that the West swept away the Shah then installed the IRI. So mechanically a regime change could not happen in Iran. It was a historical process, independent from the westerns. However, the western key powers could not safeguard their client Shah and capitalised, in vain, on the liberal faction of the regime—Banisadr, Bazargan…and the co. Back to Bhutto, she is different from the Shah, She was probably corrupt, but not as corrupt as the Shah and his family with deep pockets. She was serving both her personal ambitions and her people, the Shah was only serving her megalomaniac "divine" status, his throne as long as he could. Bhutto could become a strong PM at the end, while the Shah was rejected by a big majority at the end. A number Iranian commentators stick the head in the sand of obscurity or just recant publicly what they learnt their Mullahs. Their assessments are somehow exposed by the extensive dedication for Islam, the selected “facts” are only those preached by a Mullah or written in the dusty Hadeeths, Tafsirs, or school books of poor children. They should grow up. When devotees of political Islam talk from “Western Imperialist Powers, neocons, capitalism”, they actually mean the "doomed guilty" non-Muslims. In actuality, the devotees of political Islam belong to the most reactionary and religious right-wings of society. Their Threshold of mediaeval world view is nothing else but the subjugated men and the semi-human women in a class society, in which every Sayyeds, Mullahs, Hajis and the new rich have the rightful "bestowed by God" privilege. In their Islamic justice, everything is "divinely" doomed. A feedback to your comments:

What concerns Benazir Bhutto, she had her ups and downs, she was a human, a flawed heroine on Shakespearean dimensions. She will remain a beacon to the tiny distant flame of democracy and modernity in Pakistan. Even if as a PM, she had close relations in 90th with the then US-backed Taliban in Afghanistan, then, she turned the back to them when the world changed.

For some Iranians with a nostalgia for the late Shah, I would remind them that the Shah does not merit the shakespearean dimensions. A frowned Shakespeare would not even mention his name.

Some younger Iranians, who did not experience the Shah’s dictatorship, only stick to complain that the IRI was brought to power to rob the throne.

I do not believe that the West swept away the Shah then installed the IRI. So mechanically a regime change could not happen in Iran. It was a historical process, independent from the westerns.

However, the western key powers could not safeguard their client Shah and capitalised, in vain, on the liberal faction of the regime—Banisadr, Bazargan…and the co.

Back to Bhutto, she is different from the Shah, She was probably corrupt, but not as corrupt as the Shah and his family with deep pockets. She was serving both her personal ambitions and her people, the Shah was only serving her megalomaniac “divine” status, his throne as long as he could. Bhutto could become a strong PM at the end, while the Shah was rejected by a big majority at the end.

A number Iranian commentators stick the head in the sand of obscurity or just recant publicly what they learnt their Mullahs. Their assessments are somehow exposed by the extensive dedication for Islam, the selected “facts” are only those preached by a Mullah or written in the dusty Hadeeths, Tafsirs, or school books of poor children. They should grow up.

When devotees of political Islam talk from “Western Imperialist Powers, neocons, capitalism”, they actually mean the “doomed guilty” non-Muslims. In actuality, the devotees of political Islam belong to the most reactionary and religious right-wings of society. Their Threshold of mediaeval world view is nothing else but the subjugated men and the semi-human women in a class society, in which every Sayyeds, Mullahs, Hajis and the new rich have the rightful “bestowed by God” privilege. In their Islamic justice, everything is “divinely” doomed.

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