Comments on: Shot in the leg for not wearing a hijab http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/12/28/shot-in-the-leg-for-not-wearing-a-hijab/ Thinking Ahead Sat, 11 Feb 2012 20:46:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Elinor (Iran) http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/12/28/shot-in-the-leg-for-not-wearing-a-hijab/#comment-16361 Elinor (Iran) Tue, 01 Jan 2008 19:11:58 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/12/28/shot-in-the-leg-for-not-wearing-a-hijab/#comment-16361 Kafir, Democracy being imosed..That sounds opressive in a way, though I do not deny what you say makes sense in a way. Kafir,
Democracy being imosed..That sounds opressive in a way, though I do not deny what you say makes sense in a way.

]]> By: Jina http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/12/28/shot-in-the-leg-for-not-wearing-a-hijab/#comment-16360 Jina Tue, 01 Jan 2008 18:25:13 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/12/28/shot-in-the-leg-for-not-wearing-a-hijab/#comment-16360 <blockquote>Iraq and Afghanistan are unique because they are the first countries to have democracy imposed on them by a foreign power. </blockquote>Japan... <blockquote>France is really the only democracy that was established from within against a local oppressor.</blockquote>South Korea, Sri Lanka, Venezuela, Mexico...

Iraq and Afghanistan are unique because they are the first countries to have democracy imposed on them by a foreign power.

Japan…

France is really the only democracy that was established from within against a local oppressor.

South Korea, Sri Lanka, Venezuela, Mexico…

]]> By: Muneeb (Saudi Arabia/Pakistan) http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/12/28/shot-in-the-leg-for-not-wearing-a-hijab/#comment-16359 Muneeb (Saudi Arabia/Pakistan) Tue, 01 Jan 2008 14:46:18 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/12/28/shot-in-the-leg-for-not-wearing-a-hijab/#comment-16359 <blockquote>But you know what, in the Torah it is written, something to the effect that, “The parents will eat sweets, and the teeth of their children will become rotten.”</blockquote> hmmm maybe but killing is the extreme... if some1 was to ask the kids... thye wouldnt wanna b born like tht <blockquote> This is why France outlawed the hijab in schools and public institutions. It is the mark of slavery and ignorance.</blockquote> technically France is also doing the same thing : FORCING its just forcing it off! so its guilty as too! <blockquote>I guess women in Iraq will come to this conclusion that Saddam served them bette</blockquote> in Saddam's time atleast they knew wht they would b killed for.. now adays you can b killed just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time :( and Abt Uday... ppl change when they are actually given the reins with nothing to fall back on..

But you know what, in the Torah it is written, something to the effect that, “The parents will eat sweets, and the teeth of their children will become rotten.”

hmmm maybe but killing is the extreme…
if some1 was to ask the kids… thye wouldnt wanna b born like tht

This is why France outlawed the hijab in schools and public institutions. It is the mark of slavery and ignorance.

technically France is also doing the same thing : FORCING
its just forcing it off! so its guilty as too!

I guess women in Iraq will come to this conclusion that Saddam served them bette

in Saddam’s time atleast they knew wht they would b killed for.. now adays you can b killed just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time :(

and Abt Uday… ppl change when they are actually given the reins with nothing to fall back on..

]]> By: Batman http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/12/28/shot-in-the-leg-for-not-wearing-a-hijab/#comment-16358 Batman Tue, 01 Jan 2008 00:17:33 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/12/28/shot-in-the-leg-for-not-wearing-a-hijab/#comment-16358 Interesting comments. I must agree with Kafir that so long as democracy prevails, that the people of Iraq, including Basra, have the power to change their destiny regarding these evils. However, there is no reason to wait for the next elections for a new national parliament. In the name of true democracy, Maliki should order that elections for representative local and provincial governments are held immediately, and guarantee that they are fair. People will awaken when they see the power of their collective votes to bring real change. Until then, I will pray for the women of Basra. Interesting comments. I must agree with Kafir that so long as democracy prevails, that the people of Iraq, including Basra, have the power to change their destiny regarding these evils. However, there is no reason to wait for the next elections for a new national parliament. In the name of true democracy, Maliki should order that elections for representative local and provincial governments are held immediately, and guarantee that they are fair. People will awaken when they see the power of their collective votes to bring real change. Until then, I will pray for the women of Basra.

]]> By: Kafir http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/12/28/shot-in-the-leg-for-not-wearing-a-hijab/#comment-16357 Kafir Mon, 31 Dec 2007 23:43:26 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/12/28/shot-in-the-leg-for-not-wearing-a-hijab/#comment-16357 Elinor, Here's the problem with the "from within" argument: Look at all the big democracies. Most gained their independence from an oppressor that was far away. The ragtag colonial forces in the US could not have defeated the British Empire if not for the fact that there was an ocean separating them. The same is true of the rest the British colonies. India got its independence in the aftermath of WWII when Britain was rebuilding after a devastating war. Russia was so weak economically by the late 1980's, it could no longer keep the Warsaw pact countries in line, and eventually gave up on its own. France is really the only democracy that was established from within against a local oppressor. Had the King of France had the intelligence apparatus and weapons available to him that Uday would have had, chances are France would still be a monarchy. Iraq and Afghanistan are unique because they are the first countries to have democracy <em>imposed</em> on them by a foreign power. Only time will tell how all that will work out. The point is that, in a democracy, eventually everyone will get their rights. In a tyranny, getting your rights is like a crap shoot: if your rights coincide with what the tyrant wants, you get them. If not, you're out of luck. You're from Iran, you should know that. Ahmadinejad has jailed a lot of dissidents, most of whom probably thought they had the right to dissent. Elinor,

Here’s the problem with the “from within” argument: Look at all the big democracies. Most gained their independence from an oppressor that was far away. The ragtag colonial forces in the US could not have defeated the British Empire if not for the fact that there was an ocean separating them. The same is true of the rest the British colonies. India got its independence in the aftermath of WWII when Britain was rebuilding after a devastating war. Russia was so weak economically by the late 1980′s, it could no longer keep the Warsaw pact countries in line, and eventually gave up on its own. France is really the only democracy that was established from within against a local oppressor. Had the King of France had the intelligence apparatus and weapons available to him that Uday would have had, chances are France would still be a monarchy. Iraq and Afghanistan are unique because they are the first countries to have democracy imposed on them by a foreign power. Only time will tell how all that will work out. The point is that, in a democracy, eventually everyone will get their rights. In a tyranny, getting your rights is like a crap shoot: if your rights coincide with what the tyrant wants, you get them. If not, you’re out of luck. You’re from Iran, you should know that. Ahmadinejad has jailed a lot of dissidents, most of whom probably thought they had the right to dissent.

]]> By: Elinor (Iran) http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/12/28/shot-in-the-leg-for-not-wearing-a-hijab/#comment-16356 Elinor (Iran) Mon, 31 Dec 2007 21:44:14 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/12/28/shot-in-the-leg-for-not-wearing-a-hijab/#comment-16356 Kafir, I understand what you say, but maybe if Uday ruled the country would lash back, some times the democracies need to be established from within, to be stronger, more durable and more backed by people, but there is a haste in the course of events and some times a fast food makes one stop feeling hungry and no one thinks much of the resluts of devouring a fast food when hunger rages. did i make my point? I am not sure. By the way, America spent years of war before shaping its democracy into what is has in hand at the moment, lets see how long that would take for the whole Mideast, me likes hamburgers too, me likes being lean as well !!!! Kafir,
I understand what you say, but maybe if Uday ruled the country would lash back, some times the democracies need to be established from within, to be stronger, more durable and more backed by people, but there is a haste in the course of events and some times a fast food makes one stop feeling hungry and no one thinks much of the resluts of devouring a fast food when hunger rages. did i make my point? I am not sure. By the way, America spent years of war before shaping its democracy into what is has in hand at the moment, lets see how long that would take for the whole Mideast, me likes hamburgers too, me likes being lean as well !!!!

]]> By: Kafir http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/12/28/shot-in-the-leg-for-not-wearing-a-hijab/#comment-16355 Kafir Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:12:08 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/12/28/shot-in-the-leg-for-not-wearing-a-hijab/#comment-16355 Elinor, Saddam did what <strong>Saddam</strong> wanted. When America was founded, black people were slaves and women could not vote. America ended those two things in time. That's what democracy gets you: slow, steady, progressive change. Saddam was getting old. Soon the reins of power would have been handed to Uday. Since Uday was the inventor of the rape room, my guess is that things would have gotten a lot worse for women under his adminstration. Elinor,

Saddam did what Saddam wanted. When America was founded, black people were slaves and women could not vote. America ended those two things in time. That’s what democracy gets you: slow, steady, progressive change. Saddam was getting old. Soon the reins of power would have been handed to Uday. Since Uday was the inventor of the rape room, my guess is that things would have gotten a lot worse for women under his adminstration.

]]> By: Brian H http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/12/28/shot-in-the-leg-for-not-wearing-a-hijab/#comment-16354 Brian H Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:58:44 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/12/28/shot-in-the-leg-for-not-wearing-a-hijab/#comment-16354 This is why France outlawed the hijab in schools and public institutions. It is the mark of slavery and ignorance. This is why France outlawed the hijab in schools and public institutions. It is the mark of slavery and ignorance.

]]> By: Nissim Dahan (Israel/USA) http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/12/28/shot-in-the-leg-for-not-wearing-a-hijab/#comment-16353 Nissim Dahan (Israel/USA) Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:24:52 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/12/28/shot-in-the-leg-for-not-wearing-a-hijab/#comment-16353 Muneeb, to my mind, for what it's worth, it doesn't really matter if the kids are born out of wedlock. Kids are kids, and should not be made to suffer for the sins of their parents. But you know what, in the Torah it is written, something to the effect that, "The parents will eat sweets, and the teeth of their children will become rotten." So maybe it is true that kids will suffer for the sins of their parents. But even if that's the case, we feel it in our gut that it is wrong, and we are compelled, in any way we can, to protect the innocent, and to reject violence and injustice wherever we can. That is our challenge as the custodians of what is moral, and what is right. Muneeb, to my mind, for what it’s worth, it doesn’t really matter if the kids are born out of wedlock. Kids are kids, and should not be made to suffer for the sins of their parents. But you know what, in the Torah it is written, something to the effect that, “The parents will eat sweets, and the teeth of their children will become rotten.” So maybe it is true that kids will suffer for the sins of their parents. But even if that’s the case, we feel it in our gut that it is wrong, and we are compelled, in any way we can, to protect the innocent, and to reject violence and injustice wherever we can. That is our challenge as the custodians of what is moral, and what is right.

]]> By: Muneeb (Saudi Arabia/Pakistan) http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/12/28/shot-in-the-leg-for-not-wearing-a-hijab/#comment-16352 Muneeb (Saudi Arabia/Pakistan) Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:53:48 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2007/12/28/shot-in-the-leg-for-not-wearing-a-hijab/#comment-16352 Well this is shameful these men who are attacking women just because they want to earn some honest buck for their family! Innocent Children born out of wedlock being killed for a crime that they had no say in it?? What kinda message does this send? how do they know tht they are outta wedlock? What if they are wrong? Well this is shameful these men who are attacking women just because they want to earn some honest buck for their family!

Innocent Children born out of wedlock being killed for a crime that they had no say in it?? What kinda message does this send? how do they know tht they are outta wedlock? What if they are wrong?

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