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	<title>Comments on: Antony Flew, Richard Dawkins and Gerald Schroeder on Atheism and Theism</title>
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		<title>By: آنتونی فلو، ریچارد داوکینز و جرالد شرودر: خداناباوری و خداباوری (قسمت ا</title>
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		<dc:creator>آنتونی فلو، ریچارد داوکینز و جرالد شرودر: خداناباوری و خداباوری (قسمت ا</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 08:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] در جستجویی به مقاله‌ای برخوردم که در سایت MidEastYouth حدود یک سال و نیم پیش نوشته بودم. احساس کردم که [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Walter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 01:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matthew: &quot;Atheists will now have to debunk the Hebrew Scriptures rather than English versions of it. Good luck, it ain’t happening.&quot;

Hebrew Scriptures is product by human beings.


Matthew: &quot;Atheists fear responsibility, in order to get rid of the threat of Hell below them they have to discredit God with the same stone, that means abandoning Heaven above them too.&quot;

Some people is stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew: &#8220;Atheists will now have to debunk the Hebrew Scriptures rather than English versions of it. Good luck, it ain’t happening.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hebrew Scriptures is product by human beings.</p>
<p>Matthew: &#8220;Atheists fear responsibility, in order to get rid of the threat of Hell below them they have to discredit God with the same stone, that means abandoning Heaven above them too.&#8221;</p>
<p>Some people is stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 17:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem for atheists is the Gerald Schroeder has provided a credible argument for the Biblical Scriptures being scientifically accurate. He has made it that much harder for atheists to debunk the Biblical account, obviously something atheists despise. They&#039;ve debunked the Young Earth Creationist view, but now have to contend with Schroeder&#039;s view, the Old Universe view, which I agree with too. Atheists will now have to debunk the Hebrew Scriptures rather than English versions of it. Good luck, it ain&#039;t happening.

Atheists fear responsibility, in order to get rid of the threat of Hell below them they have to discredit God with the same stone, that means abandoning Heaven above them too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem for atheists is the Gerald Schroeder has provided a credible argument for the Biblical Scriptures being scientifically accurate. He has made it that much harder for atheists to debunk the Biblical account, obviously something atheists despise. They&#8217;ve debunked the Young Earth Creationist view, but now have to contend with Schroeder&#8217;s view, the Old Universe view, which I agree with too. Atheists will now have to debunk the Hebrew Scriptures rather than English versions of it. Good luck, it ain&#8217;t happening.</p>
<p>Atheists fear responsibility, in order to get rid of the threat of Hell below them they have to discredit God with the same stone, that means abandoning Heaven above them too.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 21:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#6: The idea that atheists have a head honcho is absurd. Most atheists don&#039;t even spend much time thinking about atheism. Antony Flew was a pretty well-known analytic philosopher who wrote some stuff defending atheism. That&#039;s all. Now he inclines towards some sort of nonreligious deism because (embarrassingly) he&#039;s fallen for really bad pseudoscience.

#4: Your slander of Dawkins—affiliating him with racism—is completely baseless. Dawkins may be stubborn and occasionally a bit rude, but he is an extremely well-respected scientific writer who has also made some serious contributions to biology. He has zero ties to racism.

Western science and philosophy has abandoned design arguments in the wake of Hume and Darwin. Since then, no proof of a cosmic designer has ever gained any serious scientific credibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#6: The idea that atheists have a head honcho is absurd. Most atheists don&#8217;t even spend much time thinking about atheism. Antony Flew was a pretty well-known analytic philosopher who wrote some stuff defending atheism. That&#8217;s all. Now he inclines towards some sort of nonreligious deism because (embarrassingly) he&#8217;s fallen for really bad pseudoscience.</p>
<p>#4: Your slander of Dawkins—affiliating him with racism—is completely baseless. Dawkins may be stubborn and occasionally a bit rude, but he is an extremely well-respected scientific writer who has also made some serious contributions to biology. He has zero ties to racism.</p>
<p>Western science and philosophy has abandoned design arguments in the wake of Hume and Darwin. Since then, no proof of a cosmic designer has ever gained any serious scientific credibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Creationists misrepresent the biblical account of creation. The bible is not saying that the earth and all life upon it was created in 6 literal 24 hour days. The Genesis account was written in hebrew. The hebrew word &quot;day&quot; simply means a period of time. For example we may say, &quot;in my grandfathers day&quot;. Are we to conclude from this statement that the grandfather lived for just 24 hours, just 1 day? Likewise, Genesis chap 2 verse 4 combines all six previous meantioned periods of creation and terms them &quot;the day&quot; that God created the heavens and the earth.
The Genesis account opens with the simple, powerful statement: “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” (Genesis 1:1) Bible scholars agree that this verse describes an action separate from the creative days recounted from verse 3 onward. The implication is profound. According to the Bible’s opening statement, the universe, including our planet Earth, was in existence for an indefinite time before the creative days began.
As Genesis 1:1 shows the earth and the universe was created &quot;in the beginning&quot; thus existing long before those creative periods were engaged by God in order to turn the already billions of years old planet into one capable of sustaining life.
There is no controversy between the genesis account and established scientific fact.
For further information see http://www.jw-media.org/contact.htm for contact details</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Creationists misrepresent the biblical account of creation. The bible is not saying that the earth and all life upon it was created in 6 literal 24 hour days. The Genesis account was written in hebrew. The hebrew word &#8220;day&#8221; simply means a period of time. For example we may say, &#8220;in my grandfathers day&#8221;. Are we to conclude from this statement that the grandfather lived for just 24 hours, just 1 day? Likewise, Genesis chap 2 verse 4 combines all six previous meantioned periods of creation and terms them &#8220;the day&#8221; that God created the heavens and the earth.<br />
The Genesis account opens with the simple, powerful statement: “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” (Genesis 1:1) Bible scholars agree that this verse describes an action separate from the creative days recounted from verse 3 onward. The implication is profound. According to the Bible’s opening statement, the universe, including our planet Earth, was in existence for an indefinite time before the creative days began.<br />
As Genesis 1:1 shows the earth and the universe was created &#8220;in the beginning&#8221; thus existing long before those creative periods were engaged by God in order to turn the already billions of years old planet into one capable of sustaining life.<br />
There is no controversy between the genesis account and established scientific fact.<br />
For further information see <a href="http://www.jw-media.org/contact.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.jw-media.org/contact.htm</a> for contact details</p>
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		<title>By: Same Boring arguments</title>
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		<dc:creator>Same Boring arguments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 05:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude!
  All you atheists are crying your eyes out because the &quot;Head-Honcho, Big-Guy, Leader of the Pack&quot; for so many years, has jumped ship.

  Get over it!
He was wrong!
  That means all that crap you bought into &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;was crap&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; and YOU were ALSO wrong!

  How funny!
You were all &quot;behind him&quot; all those years..... supporting him &amp; his &quot;ideas&quot;.  You spouted his arguments word for word!!!

  BUT....
  The Teacher went &amp; pulled the proverbial rug out from under his students!!!

  I guess when you&#039;re wrong, you&#039;re just wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude!<br />
  All you atheists are crying your eyes out because the &#8220;Head-Honcho, Big-Guy, Leader of the Pack&#8221; for so many years, has jumped ship.</p>
<p>  Get over it!<br />
He was wrong!<br />
  That means all that crap you bought into <strong><em>was crap</em></strong> and YOU were ALSO wrong!</p>
<p>  How funny!<br />
You were all &#8220;behind him&#8221; all those years&#8230;.. supporting him &amp; his &#8220;ideas&#8221;.  You spouted his arguments word for word!!!</p>
<p>  BUT&#8230;.<br />
  The Teacher went &amp; pulled the proverbial rug out from under his students!!!</p>
<p>  I guess when you&#8217;re wrong, you&#8217;re just wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Flew, Dawkins, Schroeder</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; Flew, Dawkins, Schroeder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 20:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Antony Flew, Richard Dawkins and Gerald Schroeder on Atheism and Theism [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 15:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Be careful about adopting western science without question. The West is Christian and influenced by Christian monotheism. Look to our own roots as much as the west. The Muslim world was once a leader in science and contributed substantially to true scientific knowledge.

Dawkins maybe an evolutionary biologist but he is not a Darwinian. Dawkins is as geneticist (The Selfish Gene) which stems from Ethology (Konrad Lorenz - imprinting - used by the national socialist atheism of Hitler to justify ethnic cleansing of Jews and gypsies) and is potentially neo-racist - people are born to be as determined by their genes. Genetic determinism is a pseudo-scientific exposition of God. So is the concept of Intelligence, which stems from the Spanish Christian concept of Blue Blood - used to preserve the white Christian aristocratic supremacy over the Moors. Look at Sir Cyril Burt, the father of &#039;scientific intelligence&#039; and knighted by British aristocracy for providing &#039;scientific evidence&#039; for their privileged position but since shown to have been a fraud.

Religion is behavior - best explained by the behavioral sciences including anthropology, social and behavioral science - especially B.F.Skinner - the superstition experiment. The term psychology (-ology - study of the psyche)is pseudo-science as witnessed by Sigmund Freud, the charlatan who reinvented the Christian tripartite soul - Id (The son), ego (the man) and super ego (the parent or god - See Eric Berne - Sex and Human loving and Games People Play.

Belief is universal because of the human condition. Awareness, not only of death but extinction. Religion is avoidance behavior of that awful reality. To deny anyone that escape is cruel. You give the prime example at present - that of Flew. Flew is now an old man facing that awful reality and losing unawareness of where he is. Flew did not write that book. It was written by reactionary Christians so they could trumpet a convert. That is an abuse.

You may claim that bing bang is part of a cycle of big bangs, but science cannot prove that and probably never will. Even Einstein said that claiming there was no beginning was his biggest scientific mistake. That reality leaves open the possibility of a beginning and therefore a creator. As Hawkins (A Brief History of Time) said &quot;Now we can see the mind of God&quot;. If anyone has a right to believe in a better life after death is must be Hawkins. Yet Hawkins bravely remains an atheist.

We cannot deny the existence of god/s, so we should learn to respect other&#039;s right to believe. Nor should we allow the carpet baggers of personal belief - organized religion - to take over our personal beliefs, whatever they are. That was the lesson of the Protestant Reformation especially Calvin.

Respect - fully yours

Jack</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be careful about adopting western science without question. The West is Christian and influenced by Christian monotheism. Look to our own roots as much as the west. The Muslim world was once a leader in science and contributed substantially to true scientific knowledge.</p>
<p>Dawkins maybe an evolutionary biologist but he is not a Darwinian. Dawkins is as geneticist (The Selfish Gene) which stems from Ethology (Konrad Lorenz &#8211; imprinting &#8211; used by the national socialist atheism of Hitler to justify ethnic cleansing of Jews and gypsies) and is potentially neo-racist &#8211; people are born to be as determined by their genes. Genetic determinism is a pseudo-scientific exposition of God. So is the concept of Intelligence, which stems from the Spanish Christian concept of Blue Blood &#8211; used to preserve the white Christian aristocratic supremacy over the Moors. Look at Sir Cyril Burt, the father of &#8216;scientific intelligence&#8217; and knighted by British aristocracy for providing &#8216;scientific evidence&#8217; for their privileged position but since shown to have been a fraud.</p>
<p>Religion is behavior &#8211; best explained by the behavioral sciences including anthropology, social and behavioral science &#8211; especially B.F.Skinner &#8211; the superstition experiment. The term psychology (-ology &#8211; study of the psyche)is pseudo-science as witnessed by Sigmund Freud, the charlatan who reinvented the Christian tripartite soul &#8211; Id (The son), ego (the man) and super ego (the parent or god &#8211; See Eric Berne &#8211; Sex and Human loving and Games People Play.</p>
<p>Belief is universal because of the human condition. Awareness, not only of death but extinction. Religion is avoidance behavior of that awful reality. To deny anyone that escape is cruel. You give the prime example at present &#8211; that of Flew. Flew is now an old man facing that awful reality and losing unawareness of where he is. Flew did not write that book. It was written by reactionary Christians so they could trumpet a convert. That is an abuse.</p>
<p>You may claim that bing bang is part of a cycle of big bangs, but science cannot prove that and probably never will. Even Einstein said that claiming there was no beginning was his biggest scientific mistake. That reality leaves open the possibility of a beginning and therefore a creator. As Hawkins (A Brief History of Time) said &#8220;Now we can see the mind of God&#8221;. If anyone has a right to believe in a better life after death is must be Hawkins. Yet Hawkins bravely remains an atheist.</p>
<p>We cannot deny the existence of god/s, so we should learn to respect other&#8217;s right to believe. Nor should we allow the carpet baggers of personal belief &#8211; organized religion &#8211; to take over our personal beliefs, whatever they are. That was the lesson of the Protestant Reformation especially Calvin.</p>
<p>Respect &#8211; fully yours</p>
<p>Jack</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 13:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is unfair to discuss Flew. As unfair as it is for those who now abuse and exploit Flew&#039;s infirmity and age.</description>
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		<title>By: Murad (Kuwait)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Murad (Kuwait)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 23:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wanted to say that this was an enjoyable and thought-provoking article to read! Thanks a lot for posting it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to say that this was an enjoyable and thought-provoking article to read! Thanks a lot for posting it.</p>
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