And I want some hummos too Fortunately there’s a Jordanian pizza man down the road that makes the most delicious hummos. Yay for globalism!

And gay marriage a Western thing..?

There’s no such thing, not even consideration or tolerance for the concept of gay marriage in the Arab world. This goes without saying.

It’s not much to ask if we just give “homuses” their right to life, not necessarily the right to marriage or gay bars or all the little things that most “homuses” in our region don’t even care about. This is really the least of their worries.

But we can’t even begin to talk about “homusuality” without the “secks” taboo being tackled and discussed first.

LOL! imagine galabiya-clad males with…oh no!

And gay marriage a Western thing..?.. well, In Denmark gays can marry legally, and even (if the priest agrees) in a church. This is a rather new fad, and not everyone is happy about it. But, if we stop killing homus’es and later stop imprisoning them, then sooner or later, we have to give them full rights.

Here’s a photo, unfortunately they are not shaking hands:

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,1089951,00.jpg

Simon, got a link to that picture of them shaking hands?

You can use plugins for wordpress which allow you to define the url for every single post, so you could change the url’s in case you are expecting problems with them.

We should come up with codes or something, like “s3x” in the URLs and “hummos” (like the food) instead of “homosexuals.” More than 5 people wrote me complaining that we should change the URL structures since it includes a lot of taboo words and they keep having to use proxies to access them.

yes, this is me…and i am still waiting for anyone to tell me where the pioneer LGBT activism started.

In my room.

Human rights are human rights – it’s universal and has no origin. If homosexuality is also universal and has no real origin, why is gay rights activism somehow Western? Gay marriage and all, yes that is Western. But not gay rights in and of itself.

people like you on the who are trying to strip the Islamic world of its identity and make it a blind follower of the west,

Elaborate! How is talking about sex and homosexuality blindly following the West?

How are we stripping the Islamic world of its identity, if homosexuality and sex were discussed very often throughout history in Arabic literature?

try singing this

This is, as I recall, the same Spanky who argued that defending homosexual rights is a Western paradigm.

yes, this is me…and i am still waiting for anyone to tell me where the pioneer LGBT activism started.

Then by your own definition, I assume you too are Westernized, even if it has been proven above that Arabs have been writing about sex and homosexuality long before our people could obsess about this immoral other “West,” constantly yet shamelessly.

hmmmm….excuse me but how being sex-crazed make anyone westernized?

you guys are a big box of contradictions and confusions.

Why this is ‘no more’?

because the conditions were this great achievements were made is no more, people like you on the who are trying to strip the Islamic world of its identity and make it a blind follower of the west, Salafis (who are a normal response to the secular extreme) and the Arab rulers (who are far more secular than Ataturk in his hell hole).

Why this is ‘no more’?

4 things contributed to this, things that many Arabs have justified over the years:

1 – Censorship, imposed both by government and by society in general (this goes way beyond politics and religious discussions, this concerns taboos like sex and homosexuality as well)
2 – Oppression of religious and ethnic minorities
3 – The systematic and widespread abuse of human rights
4 – Islamic absolutism

It is stupid and baseless to dismiss fighting the above issues as being “Westernized.” These things have been discussed and fought for centuries, before the “war on the West” which our retarded generation is so obsessed about, even started.

This is, as I recall, the same Spanky who argued that defending homosexual rights is a Western paradigm.

i’d love confess that i am sex-crazed.

Then by your own definition, I assume you too are Westernized, even if it has been proven above that Arabs have been writing about sex and homosexuality long before our people could obsess about this immoral other “West,” constantly yet shamelessly.

And should you then wonder…

it’s a true the Muslim world was a leader in political tolerance and science, but i don’€™t understand what that has to do with you.

Why this is ‘no more’?

it’s a true the Muslim world was a leader in political tolerance and science, but i don’t understand what that has to do with you.

It doesn’t. It has to do with our societies.

And concerning the rest of your silly comment, we discussed already how we address the topic of sex, and there is nothing wrong about spreading awareness on sex-education or sex crimes.

Finally, stop being an imbecile regarding “copycats of the West.” Being open is not the equivalent of being “Western,” you sex-crazed fool.

and before i process any further i ‘d love confess that i am sex-crazed.

there is some Islamic term called “hayaa” or shyness. you know what i mean, having hayaa while discussing ANYTHING will make it acceptable.

it’s a true the Muslim world was a leader in political tolerance and science, but i don’t understand what that has to do with you.

for example when Ibn Taimmyah for example led the prisons reform campaign in Egypt(before that prisoners were locked like animals in deep holes) he wasn’t doing it for a tap on the shoulder from his European friends or to feel good about the serving the universal declaration of human rights. his motifs were derived from his Islamic identity.

you guys need to understand that making the east a copycat of the west won’t work, get over your identity crisis.

The Muslim world was a leader in political tolerance and science

And economics:

The earliest origins of venture capital can be traced back to the medieval Islamic mudaraba partnership. In terms of protecting the entrepreneur, sharing the risks, losses and profits the two systems of finance are remarkably similar.

yeah, there will certainly be no more sex if they ban this word from the internet!

Who needs sex on the internet when you can rape a child or an animal? (I’m generalizing in a satirical manner here, but these things do happen much more often than it is reported.)

but at some time in the 19th century they must have changed roles…

The Muslim world was a leader in political tolerance and science, but thanks to many years of war, tyranny and poor leadership this changed entirely.

As Esra’a shows, for a long time the Muslim world was much more tolerant against homosexuals than the Christian Europe – but at some time in the 19th century they must have changed roles…

The expression of male homoerotic sentiment is one of the dominant themes in classical Arabic literature from the ninth century to the nineteenth.

In poetry, traditionally considered the supreme art among the Arabs, love lyrics by male poets about males were almost as popular as those about females, and in certain times and places even more popular. But in prose literature as well, including such varied genres as anecdotal collections, vignettes in rhymed prose known as maqamat, shadowplays, and explicit erotica, homoerotic themes, mostly male but also female, are anything but rare.

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Despite current conventional wisdom to the contrary, same-sex sexual expression has been a more or less recognized aspect of Muslim societies for many centuries, as can be seen through literature, history, and law. Medieval Arabic literature, including both belles-lettres works (in the genre of adab) and copious amounts of erotica, discusses same-sex sexual activity frequently and explicitly. Most often, it is sexual activity between men that is discussed, but these literary works also include discussion of sexual acts between women. Generally, lesbian sexual behavior is referred to as sihaq, “rubbing” or “pounding”. (The term is also sometimes used for female masturbation.) Sihaq, or musahaqa, translates approximately as “tribadism.” Recently, some have begun to study these literary sources to understand female same-sex sexual activity in the medieval Muslim world. A few articles provide a starting point for understanding tribadism in Muslim contexts historically. There is also an extensive literature on male homoeroticism in Islamic literature and Muslim societies.

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