Comments on: IF I DARE TO SAY THIS! http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/03/08/if-i-dare-to-say-this/ Thinking Ahead Sat, 11 Feb 2012 20:46:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Naim (Israel) http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/03/08/if-i-dare-to-say-this/#comment-18083 Naim (Israel) Sun, 22 Jun 2008 04:59:16 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/03/08/if-i-dare-to-say-this/#comment-18083 This made me cry when I read this. I am sorry for everything that has happened to the Palestinian people but there is pain on both sides. You say that only a few IDF soldiers die, that isn't true. Israelis die all the time too. That doesn't justify the killing of innocent people, though. But just as it doesn't justify killing by Israelis it doesn't justify attacks by Arabs. I respect Arabs and Muslims. In actuality, we are all brothers and sisters. I don't think, though, that people realize that as a people we went into this with all odds against us and no one supporting us. It's amazing the Israeli people have any support today. It is amazing we managed to establish our land (OUR does not mean Jews, it means Jews and Muslims). There is so much sadness I feel when anyone dies. It makes me week to hear about a Palestinian child dying just as it does when I hear about rockets falling kibbutzim on the borders. I don't want Palestinians to have to live in fear of their neighbors just like how Jewish children don't deserve to be told that they will be pushed into the sea by Arabs. I don't want anyone to die anymore and I don't want there to be anymore fighting. I apologize for all that has happened to Palestine, but please try and understand what has happened to us, too. I respect you and want you to respect me. We are neighbors and I hope to God that you get to live in your own country one day. This made me cry when I read this.

I am sorry for everything that has happened to the Palestinian people but there is pain on both sides. You say that only a few IDF soldiers die, that isn’t true. Israelis die all the time too. That doesn’t justify the killing of innocent people, though. But just as it doesn’t justify killing by Israelis it doesn’t justify attacks by Arabs.

I respect Arabs and Muslims. In actuality, we are all brothers and sisters. I don’t think, though, that people realize that as a people we went into this with all odds against us and no one supporting us. It’s amazing the Israeli people have any support today. It is amazing we managed to establish our land (OUR does not mean Jews, it means Jews and Muslims).

There is so much sadness I feel when anyone dies. It makes me week to hear about a Palestinian child dying just as it does when I hear about rockets falling kibbutzim on the borders. I don’t want Palestinians to have to live in fear of their neighbors just like how Jewish children don’t deserve to be told that they will be pushed into the sea by Arabs. I don’t want anyone to die anymore and I don’t want there to be anymore fighting.

I apologize for all that has happened to Palestine, but please try and understand what has happened to us, too. I respect you and want you to respect me. We are neighbors and I hope to God that you get to live in your own country one day.

]]> By: Lucas H http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/03/08/if-i-dare-to-say-this/#comment-18082 Lucas H Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:12:53 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/03/08/if-i-dare-to-say-this/#comment-18082 It is very sad to that maybe the best choice for a young Palestinian boy is to join the army in a time of war. It is even sadder that the Israeli boys/teens see themselves as heroes for killing innocent people. Now its not entirely their fault with the governments propoganda and what not. These boys/people need to be informed about what is really happening on both sides. It is very sad to that maybe the best choice for a young Palestinian boy is to join the army in a time of war. It is even sadder that the Israeli boys/teens see themselves as heroes for killing innocent people. Now its not entirely their fault with the governments propoganda and what not. These boys/people need to be informed about what is really happening on both sides.

]]> By: elie http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/03/08/if-i-dare-to-say-this/#comment-18081 elie Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:05:02 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/03/08/if-i-dare-to-say-this/#comment-18081 Ramzy... I appreciate your honesty... I often wonder what the real people are thinking, and I know it's probably diverse. I've stopped reading the papers for reality checks. Ramzy… I appreciate your honesty… I often wonder what the real people are thinking, and I know it’s probably diverse. I’ve stopped reading the papers for reality checks.

]]> By: Tamara (Syria, UAE & UK) http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/03/08/if-i-dare-to-say-this/#comment-18080 Tamara (Syria, UAE & UK) Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:13:40 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/03/08/if-i-dare-to-say-this/#comment-18080 Eric, <blockquote>I think that the Israelis have enough cohesiveness among their people and military to <strong>abide by a comprehensive peace agreement</strong>. I cite the abandonment of the Gaza settlements as an example of this. </blockquote> I think we must look further than the one example you provide to judge whether Israel is indeed able to abide by the current peace agreements, let alone future ones. What about the <a href="http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/F6BAD165-74DA-4612-9A43-A1436D4A1E68.htm" rel="nofollow">new approved settlement</a> in the West Bank? <a href="http://www.robat.scl.net/content/NAD/faqs/fact_sheets/israels_violations_oslo.php" rel="nofollow">Here is a link</a> that may provide a little insight to Israel's violations of current peace agreements. And as per your posed question, I would say it was not so much Israel's existence that disables the Palestinian people from abiding by such agreements, but rather 1) the ineffective/unrecognised/corrupt/violent groups in power 2) the inability for a real, viable and acceptable Palestinian state to be proposed. Eric,

I think that the Israelis have enough cohesiveness among their people and military to abide by a comprehensive peace agreement. I cite the abandonment of the Gaza settlements as an example of this.

I think we must look further than the one example you provide to judge whether Israel is indeed able to abide by the current peace agreements, let alone future ones. What about the new approved settlement in the West Bank? Here is a link that may provide a little insight to Israel’s violations of current peace agreements.

And as per your posed question, I would say it was not so much Israel’s existence that disables the Palestinian people from abiding by such agreements, but rather 1) the ineffective/unrecognised/corrupt/violent groups in power 2) the inability for a real, viable and acceptable Palestinian state to be proposed.

]]> By: eric http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/03/08/if-i-dare-to-say-this/#comment-18079 eric Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:27:37 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/03/08/if-i-dare-to-say-this/#comment-18079 The poor and desperate have always been the prime recruiting fields for armies; dazzled by rhetoric and promises of adventure and rewards, given weapons and promised that their frustrations can be released upon the enemy, and then ground up into the anonymous butcher shop of the battlefield. I will pose a fundamental question to this conflict by making perhaps an erroneous assumption, but here goes: I think that the Israelis have enough cohesiveness among their people and military to abide by a comprehensive peace agreement. I cite the abandonment of the Gaza settlements as an example of this. The question I pose here is: Will the Palestinian people ever possess this degree of collective will to abide by such an agreement? Will all the militias, power groups, gangs and cells ever be able to do such a thing while Israel still exists? Also, could both sides ever get beyond the concept of collective culpability? Because even if the Israelis and Palestinians were to reach such an agreement, the degree of resentment and hatred on both sides is such that all it would take is a gun happy settler or a foreign agitator to destroy such an agreement with an act of violence. The poor and desperate have always been the prime recruiting fields for armies; dazzled by rhetoric and promises of adventure and rewards, given weapons and promised that their frustrations can be released upon the enemy, and then ground up into the anonymous butcher shop of the battlefield. I will pose a fundamental question to this conflict by making perhaps an erroneous assumption, but here goes: I think that the Israelis have enough cohesiveness among their people and military to abide by a comprehensive peace agreement. I cite the abandonment of the Gaza settlements as an example of this. The question I pose here is: Will the Palestinian people ever possess this degree of collective will to abide by such an agreement? Will all the militias, power groups, gangs and cells ever be able to do such a thing while Israel still exists? Also, could both sides ever get beyond the concept of collective culpability? Because even if the Israelis and Palestinians were to reach such an agreement, the degree of resentment and hatred on both sides is such that all it would take is a gun happy settler or a foreign agitator to destroy such an agreement with an act of violence.

]]> By: Lord Kavi (Iran) http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/03/08/if-i-dare-to-say-this/#comment-18078 Lord Kavi (Iran) Sun, 09 Mar 2008 12:01:21 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/03/08/if-i-dare-to-say-this/#comment-18078 Dear Ramzy: I appreciate your courageous speaking about your feelings. But no one puts himself in Palestinian shoes. No one understand how much they suffer and how much its hard to bear the situation! They just sit and Judge you from their comfortable societies and may ask why they do some like these. I believe in you and believe that when you put someone under pressure, they will act something awesome. <strong>But world and no one asks WHY did he act like that.</strong> No one sees the fundamentals that lead someone to act like these. no one sees suffering and pressure! No one understands! Then they just Judge and judge from their friendly and convenient sits! Hope the world be a better place tomorrow! Dear Ramzy:
I appreciate your courageous speaking about your feelings. But no one puts himself in Palestinian shoes. No one understand how much they suffer and how much its hard to bear the situation! They just sit and Judge you from their comfortable societies and may ask why they do some like these.
I believe in you and believe that when you put someone under pressure, they will act something awesome. But world and no one asks WHY did he act like that. No one sees the fundamentals that lead someone to act like these. no one sees suffering and pressure! No one understands!
Then they just Judge and judge from their friendly and convenient sits!

Hope the world be a better place tomorrow!

]]> By: Elinor (Iran) http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/03/08/if-i-dare-to-say-this/#comment-18077 Elinor (Iran) Sun, 09 Mar 2008 10:41:17 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/03/08/if-i-dare-to-say-this/#comment-18077 I will not let media deceive me into thinking Palestinians just want death and cheer when any body in israel is killed. There is a war and there is a conflict and in a conflict both sides are there to fight with their lives, it is very sickening to see children, the innocent children of Palestinians lifeless on the hands, because some people in the close by region has fires Qassams, not even thinking of the consequences, or justifying the consequences, it is very painful to see that. It is equally painful to see kids in Sderot smeared with blood and being taekn to hospital, or the outcomes of the suicide bombings, a group of people who have had no role in whatever is happening there in the region perish altogether, pay for what is happening without being a part of it. At the same time people very soon forget the teacher, the Palestinian teacher whose 7 year old son was killed in a raid, and his father, instead of asking or calling for revenge donating the body parts of his son to 5 Israeli, Palestinian, jewish and Arab and beduin people in need. He called for peace and understanding and an end to all this craze with his actiin, Palestinians and Israelis were all touched and we could see how he revived many lives and minds and the drying sources of hope with his Heroic decision, on both sides. The media very soon forget an event as such. In some countries perhaps like my own, it is not even reflected, they are scared if we ever get the idea of possible peace between the two parties, looks like they lose a lot in that case. We are there with all of you, in our souls and our hearts and any way possible to revive all the good things that naturally belongs to that Land of Peace and Salaam and Shalom. We are waiting fgor you guys to shake hands and just move on. I will not let media deceive me into thinking Palestinians just want death and cheer when any body in israel is killed. There is a war and there is a conflict and in a conflict both sides are there to fight with their lives, it is very sickening to see children, the innocent children of Palestinians lifeless on the hands, because some people in the close by region has fires Qassams, not even thinking of the consequences, or justifying the consequences, it is very painful to see that. It is equally painful to see kids in Sderot smeared with blood and being taekn to hospital, or the outcomes of the suicide bombings, a group of people who have had no role in whatever is happening there in the region perish altogether, pay for what is happening without being a part of it. At the same time people very soon forget the teacher, the Palestinian teacher whose 7 year old son was killed in a raid, and his father, instead of asking or calling for revenge donating the body parts of his son to 5 Israeli, Palestinian, jewish and Arab and beduin people in need. He called for peace and understanding and an end to all this craze with his actiin, Palestinians and Israelis were all touched and we could see how he revived many lives and minds and the drying sources of hope with his Heroic decision, on both sides. The media very soon forget an event as such. In some countries perhaps like my own, it is not even reflected, they are scared if we ever get the idea of possible peace between the two parties, looks like they lose a lot in that case. We are there with all of you, in our souls and our hearts and any way possible to revive all the good things that naturally belongs to that Land of Peace and Salaam and Shalom. We are waiting fgor you guys to shake hands and just move on.

]]> By: ramzy http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/03/08/if-i-dare-to-say-this/#comment-18076 ramzy Sat, 08 Mar 2008 23:26:51 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/03/08/if-i-dare-to-say-this/#comment-18076 Dear all... I hope u liked the article and thought it was good. Actually it was a yell inside me I have been holding inside for quite long time .. it was hitting and torturing me to be released. Thanks God, I now do feel a bit relieved with it out of me though nothing has changed on the ground. After I sent it to many friends and had the chance to post it here .. I had a whisper of a fear that some might get mad at me and say ... It is the resistence that u were bitching about in this crap u wrote... how dared you!! many would tell me this... thinking maybe the resistance or what is called resistance is the only defender of the Palestinian people against the Israeli atrocities committed every day... The truth is that the resistance fighters cant even defend themselves and the Israeli army with its war machine hunt them like rabbits or even mice needless to mention the increasing number of civilians cought in the middle and left either dead or with disabilities... It is not a shame to surrender before this gigantic war machine that claims the lives of tens every time it rears its ugly head... Great countries surrendered in world war II when they were defeated and built up themselves from the ashes... the shame is to pose an easy ducks, get killed and get your people to get killed along and pretend the victor and the victim at the same time. It is not a shame to admit our weakness, lack of potentials and call upon the world for protection instead of getting the world to hold us responsible for our miseries and put the blame on us and thus without knowing help the Israeli occupation to figure as innocent snow white from its crimes against the Palestinian people. Anyone would say something other than this... does know nothing and has no feelings. NOooo dont worry .. I am not gonna write another article now .... the one I wrote earlier can bring me enough trouble... It is good enough to charge me with high treason and inflect upon me the worst of punishment... Unfortunately, the people who rule here are nothing but trash with no common sense .. so any one with a good head on his shoulders tries to say something other than what they promote to the poor public here is to be hushed forever before even uttering a word. Because people as such are a threat to their very existence. They dont want people who want to build the country, they only want power and easy money. I think for Palestine to be free and a prosperous country empowered by the whole world... We as Palestinians, have to stop being puppets or playing cards in the hands of any other country with interests in the region and think and work only for the best of Palestine. This blood game must stop. We all know, we can't win a war with Israel alone. So why to continue to give Israel more excuses to kill more of us... because there people who pay the price? Has our blood become something to trade? I think, to use the power of diplomacy is our best option and to totally give up on weapons for the time being... isnt that embarassing enough to Israel before the international community?... what excuse would Israel use to clog the negotiations of peace? let's try this.. what more would we lose than we already lost? Dear all… I hope u liked the article and thought it was good. Actually it was a yell inside me I have been holding inside for quite long time .. it was hitting and torturing me to be released. Thanks God, I now do feel a bit relieved with it out of me though nothing has changed on the ground. After I sent it to many friends and had the chance to post it here .. I had a whisper of a fear that some might get mad at me and say … It is the resistence that u were bitching about in this crap u wrote… how dared you!! many would tell me this… thinking maybe the resistance or what is called resistance is the only defender of the Palestinian people against the Israeli atrocities committed every day…

The truth is that the resistance fighters cant even defend themselves and the Israeli army with its war machine hunt them like rabbits or even mice needless to mention the increasing number of civilians cought in the middle and left either dead or with disabilities… It is not a shame to surrender before this gigantic war machine that claims the lives of tens every time it rears its ugly head… Great countries surrendered in world war II when they were defeated and built up themselves from the ashes… the shame is to pose an easy ducks, get killed and get your people to get killed along and pretend the victor and the victim at the same time. It is not a shame to admit our weakness, lack of potentials and call upon the world for protection instead of getting the world to hold us responsible for our miseries and put the blame on us and thus without knowing help the Israeli occupation to figure as innocent snow white from its crimes against the Palestinian people. Anyone would say something other than this… does know nothing and has no feelings.

NOooo dont worry .. I am not gonna write another article now …. the one I wrote earlier can bring me enough trouble… It is good enough to charge me with high treason and inflect upon me the worst of punishment… Unfortunately, the people who rule here are nothing but trash with no common sense .. so any one with a good head on his shoulders tries to say something other than what they promote to the poor public here is to be hushed forever before even uttering a word. Because people as such are a threat to their very existence. They dont want people who want to build the country, they only want power and easy money.

I think for Palestine to be free and a prosperous country empowered by the whole world… We as Palestinians, have to stop being puppets or playing cards in the hands of any other country with interests in the region and think and work only for the best of Palestine. This blood game must stop. We all know, we can’t win a war with Israel alone. So why to continue to give Israel more excuses to kill more of us… because there people who pay the price? Has our blood become something to trade? I think, to use the power of diplomacy is our best option and to totally give up on weapons for the time being… isnt that embarassing enough to Israel before the international community?… what excuse would Israel use to clog the negotiations of peace? let’s try this.. what more would we lose than we already lost?

]]> By: Nissim Dahan (Israel/USA) http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/03/08/if-i-dare-to-say-this/#comment-18075 Nissim Dahan (Israel/USA) Sat, 08 Mar 2008 22:04:56 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/03/08/if-i-dare-to-say-this/#comment-18075 Ramzy, there is a lot of weight to your words. Palestinians, like all good people, deserve the chance at a better life. There are forces at work which seek to deny them that opportunity. And there are also those who believe in the possibility of peace, prosperity, and freedom. I have a vision of a Palestine that is prosperous and free, and that sets the stage for the liberation and empowerment of the whole Middle East. What do you think would be the steps needed for such a vision to come true? Ramzy, there is a lot of weight to your words.

Palestinians, like all good people, deserve the chance at a better life. There are forces at work which seek to deny them that opportunity. And there are also those who believe in the possibility of peace, prosperity, and freedom.

I have a vision of a Palestine that is prosperous and free, and that sets the stage for the liberation and empowerment of the whole Middle East.

What do you think would be the steps needed for such a vision to come true?

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