Comments on: "How Do You Feel About This?" http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/03/26/how-do-you-feel-about-this/ Thinking Ahead Sat, 11 Feb 2012 20:46:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Murad (Kuwait) http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/03/26/how-do-you-feel-about-this/#comment-18535 Murad (Kuwait) Sun, 30 Mar 2008 09:19:32 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/03/26/how-do-you-feel-about-this/#comment-18535 Curious: <blockquote>The better question is to ask what can be done after. </blockquote> I do not believe there is an "after" if this injustice remains to be dismissed and/or silenced. There is no "after" if the first step, which is to acknowledge and honestly apologise for these mistakes, is skipped. I am not very satisfied with the way many Israelis on this and other websites dodge these types of issues. You keep asking us to find solutions. Well, stop denying your problems, and maybe solutions will come after people start standing up for all human rights and not just the ones of their own. Curious:

The better question is to ask what can be done after.

I do not believe there is an “after” if this injustice remains to be dismissed and/or silenced. There is no “after” if the first step, which is to acknowledge and honestly apologise for these mistakes, is skipped. I am not very satisfied with the way many Israelis on this and other websites dodge these types of issues. You keep asking us to find solutions. Well, stop denying your problems, and maybe solutions will come after people start standing up for all human rights and not just the ones of their own.

]]> By: Curious http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/03/26/how-do-you-feel-about-this/#comment-18534 Curious Sat, 29 Mar 2008 20:12:29 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/03/26/how-do-you-feel-about-this/#comment-18534 Ah. It would have made the whole story simpler if you just pointed that way. It's better to be direct and to the point with the refutation, which helps dense people, which I fit into that category at times, by highlighting the issue shutting people up. It's generally I have a distaste for the name calling/ heckling approach. I think it just inflates and makes unwanted individuals more important than what they are. It's like how in Germany you'll have a group of 10 inbred neo-nazis marching and then several hundred anti-neo-nazi protesters who then proceed to kick the asses of neo nazis. The ones who gain from it are the neo-nazis because they get television air time and they get additional police protection for the next round. It's better to ignore their ridiculous "march" or keep the protest from reverting to a bar brawl. I may have misunderstood what you implied earlier, but I did criticize Gila. I just got the insinuation that you were applying a label on me, but I guess I was wrong. My apologies if that is the case. Now I will stop procrastinating and finish my work... :-P Ah. It would have made the whole story simpler if you just pointed that way. It’s better to be direct and to the point with the refutation, which helps dense people, which I fit into that category at times, by highlighting the issue shutting people up.

It’s generally I have a distaste for the name calling/ heckling approach. I think it just inflates and makes unwanted individuals more important than what they are. It’s like how in Germany you’ll have a group of 10 inbred neo-nazis marching and then several hundred anti-neo-nazi protesters who then proceed to kick the asses of neo nazis. The ones who gain from it are the neo-nazis because they get television air time and they get additional police protection for the next round. It’s better to ignore their ridiculous “march” or keep the protest from reverting to a bar brawl.

I may have misunderstood what you implied earlier, but I did criticize Gila. I just got the insinuation that you were applying a label on me, but I guess I was wrong. My apologies if that is the case.

Now I will stop procrastinating and finish my work… :-P

]]> By: Curious http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/03/26/how-do-you-feel-about-this/#comment-18533 Curious Sat, 29 Mar 2008 20:11:34 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/03/26/how-do-you-feel-about-this/#comment-18533 Ah. It would have made the whole story simpler if you just pointed that way. It's better to be direct and to the point with the refutation, which helps dense people, which I fit into that category at times, by highlighting the issue shutting people up. It's generally I have a distaste for the name calling/ heckling approach. I think it just inflates and makes unwanted individuals more important than what they are. It's like how in Germany you'll have a group of 10 inbred neo-nazis marching and then several hundred anti-neo-nazi protesters who then proceed to kick the asses of neo nazis. The ones who gain from it are the neo-nazis because they get television air time and they get additional police protection for the next round. It's better to ignore their ridiculous "march" or keep the protest from reverting to a bar brawl. I may have misunderstood what you implied earlier, but I did criticize Gila. I just got the insinuation that you were applying a label on me, but I guess I was wrong. My apologies if that is the case. Ah. It would have made the whole story simpler if you just pointed that way. It’s better to be direct and to the point with the refutation, which helps dense people, which I fit into that category at times, by highlighting the issue shutting people up.

It’s generally I have a distaste for the name calling/ heckling approach. I think it just inflates and makes unwanted individuals more important than what they are. It’s like how in Germany you’ll have a group of 10 inbred neo-nazis marching and then several hundred anti-neo-nazi protesters who then proceed to kick the asses of neo nazis. The ones who gain from it are the neo-nazis because they get television air time and they get additional police protection for the next round. It’s better to ignore their ridiculous “march” or keep the protest from reverting to a bar brawl.

I may have misunderstood what you implied earlier, but I did criticize Gila. I just got the insinuation that you were applying a label on me, but I guess I was wrong. My apologies if that is the case.

]]> By: Esra'a http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/03/26/how-do-you-feel-about-this/#comment-18532 Esra'a Sat, 29 Mar 2008 19:18:03 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/03/26/how-do-you-feel-about-this/#comment-18532 I don't know why you keep talking about labels. I made a sincere comment and see no labels towards you there except for what I called Gila, and that's only because she brought it on herself by implying that "Arab nations/Palestinians" (apparently all or the majority) are immoral terrorists. Excuse me if I was utterly offended and disgusted at such idiocy. I don’t know why you keep talking about labels. I made a sincere comment and see no labels towards you there except for what I called Gila, and that’s only because she brought it on herself by implying that “Arab nations/Palestinians” (apparently all or the majority) are immoral terrorists. Excuse me if I was utterly offended and disgusted at such idiocy.

]]> By: Curious http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/03/26/how-do-you-feel-about-this/#comment-18531 Curious Sat, 29 Mar 2008 19:13:05 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/03/26/how-do-you-feel-about-this/#comment-18531 Anyways, I need to get some work done. Have a good night, afternoon, morning, or whatever the time zone is like on your end. Cheers. Anyways, I need to get some work done. Have a good night, afternoon, morning, or whatever the time zone is like on your end. Cheers.

]]> By: Curious http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/03/26/how-do-you-feel-about-this/#comment-18530 Curious Sat, 29 Mar 2008 19:11:51 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/03/26/how-do-you-feel-about-this/#comment-18530 Actually, she was part of that comment too with the hyena bit. And thanks for the label again. :-) Actually, she was part of that comment too with the hyena bit. And thanks for the label again. :-)

]]> By: Esra'a http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/03/26/how-do-you-feel-about-this/#comment-18529 Esra'a Sat, 29 Mar 2008 19:08:46 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/03/26/how-do-you-feel-about-this/#comment-18529 That's not what you felt before. If it was, you wouldn't be running around calling everyone else rabid hyenas and children while defending no one else but Gila simply because she represents who and what you are, even if she is a total raging racist. That’s not what you felt before. If it was, you wouldn’t be running around calling everyone else rabid hyenas and children while defending no one else but Gila simply because she represents who and what you are, even if she is a total raging racist.

]]> By: Curious http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/03/26/how-do-you-feel-about-this/#comment-18528 Curious Sat, 29 Mar 2008 19:05:51 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/03/26/how-do-you-feel-about-this/#comment-18528 I meant "my" in the second to last line... I meant “my” in the second to last line…

]]> By: Curious http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/03/26/how-do-you-feel-about-this/#comment-18527 Curious Sat, 29 Mar 2008 19:04:37 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/03/26/how-do-you-feel-about-this/#comment-18527 I can go and pick out your comments from the line, then you can argue yes or no, and nothing really great comes out of it. Nothing helpful nor productive. And I as I said, I was just pointing the background of the folks. Gila is angry, Jina is angry and other folks are because of harsh background that formulate their opinions and biases. If they are willing try and get past that or at least converse, then why not let try? Certainly it must be pointed out when folks say something wrong, but it can be done without igniting a fire. Especially Mediterranean/Mid East folks get a bit hot under the collar from real life experience. I'm not sure what I should be apologizing for, but again, if it makes peace here, I apologize for offending you or anyone else. I can go and pick out your comments from the line, then you can argue yes or no, and nothing really great comes out of it. Nothing helpful nor productive. And I as I said, I was just pointing the background of the folks. Gila is angry, Jina is angry and other folks are because of harsh background that formulate their opinions and biases. If they are willing try and get past that or at least converse, then why not let try? Certainly it must be pointed out when folks say something wrong, but it can be done without igniting a fire. Especially Mediterranean/Mid East folks get a bit hot under the collar from real life experience. I’m not sure what I should be apologizing for, but again, if it makes peace here, I apologize for offending you or anyone else.

]]> By: Esra'a http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/03/26/how-do-you-feel-about-this/#comment-18526 Esra'a Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:54:09 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/03/26/how-do-you-feel-about-this/#comment-18526 Enlighten me. Where haven't I practiced what I preach? <blockquote>I was just saying that that bias and bigotry is formed by life experience. It doesn’t make it right, but a first step to try to get past that is trying to meet with those who cause you harm.</blockquote> You never condemned it. You defended it, reacting just as poorly as anyone else you complained about, and I consider that to be just as bad, if not worse. There is no justification for racism. Why didn't you fling these comments at Gila then instead of making such a silly and provocative comment that wasn't even well intentioned? Why doesn't she take the first step at "meeting the other" instead, especially if she was the one making such hideous and bigoted comments about Arabs and Muslims? It's not difficult to know why you let such things slide. <blockquote>As for why this topic hasn’t received many responses, simply put, it’s hard to add what was already said. </blockquote> Adding what exactly? Hardly anything was said. You're always ready to fight and call everyone else "babies" when you disagree with them, but when it comes to apologizing for your mistakes, or mistakes happening in your name, you and the rest of the commenters there back out because this reflects poorly on what you believe in. I do think it's really hypocritical. Really. Enlighten me. Where haven’t I practiced what I preach?

I was just saying that that bias and bigotry is formed by life experience. It doesn’t make it right, but a first step to try to get past that is trying to meet with those who cause you harm.

You never condemned it. You defended it, reacting just as poorly as anyone else you complained about, and I consider that to be just as bad, if not worse. There is no justification for racism. Why didn’t you fling these comments at Gila then instead of making such a silly and provocative comment that wasn’t even well intentioned? Why doesn’t she take the first step at “meeting the other” instead, especially if she was the one making such hideous and bigoted comments about Arabs and Muslims? It’s not difficult to know why you let such things slide.

As for why this topic hasn’t received many responses, simply put, it’s hard to add what was already said.

Adding what exactly? Hardly anything was said. You’re always ready to fight and call everyone else “babies” when you disagree with them, but when it comes to apologizing for your mistakes, or mistakes happening in your name, you and the rest of the commenters there back out because this reflects poorly on what you believe in.

I do think it’s really hypocritical. Really.

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