Saudi Woman Killed for Chatting on …Facebook
OH… MY… GOD! I CANNOT BUH-LEIVE that this has happened. This is so sad and get’s one’s blood boiling
Saudi woman killed for chatting on Facebook
A young Saudi Arabian woman was murdered by her father for chatting on the social network site Facebook, it has emerged.
The unnamed woman from Riyadh was beaten and shot after she was discovered in the middle of an online conversation with a man, the al-Arabiya website reported.
The case was reported on a Saudi Arabian news site as an example of the “strife” the social networking site is causing in the Islamic nation….
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I so much hate these kinda extremists who dont really think about what they are doing and they become blind with hate and pure anger and go do these very stupid actions. They think that what do they is correct and they would be saved by God because of their wrong interpretations of what is said in Qu’ran. There is no difference between this father and those father’s/brother’s/ husband who kill women, because they [the women] supposedly did something and it was against the family honor. If he claims to have killed her because it was a matter of Honor, do NOT be surprised. He deserves to be killed for the honor of his family and how the bloody hell is he still alive?!?! He killed her in August. He should’ve been effing hanged by now!
Was her crime so much that she deserved to be beaten up and then killed by her own father? Did she deserve to die because of this, talking to an unknown man over the internet? Its natural human instinct to do so. Aint humans always compelled to do exactly what they are forbidden to do? I mean just for the thrill of it to see why we are forbidden? but seriously it resulting in death?
Facebook or any other social networking sites for that matter are now a part of life. A lot of the current Generation aka Generation Y use these kinda websites everyday because that is what it is. It’s no surprise that older generation aka Generation X are the ones who have some problem with these social sites and they are not able to comprehend them. Hopefully, one day, when the Gen X will have grown up and will see this as it is and not get overly excited . But hasn’t it become a little dangerous to be up there now? Especially if you happen to live in MENA region
Although Facebook’s Saudi Arabia network has about 150,000 members, it’s estimates on the true number of users vary . Tons of people dont join networks of the Country they live in. But also because extremists send hate mail and report the posts, pictures and related items as Spam and as ‘Hate’ in the groups like those which support the freedom for the Saudi Blogger and women driving among other groups. Because this is the only way we can support and protest since we cant do them on the streets, and blocking these sites wont do any good. because there are tons of other ways to do what someone wants to do. These sites were soo not designed for this kinda horrendous shit.
Many Saudi women use nicknames and post comic images or drawings on their pages instead of photographs. Some Saudi bloggers have dubbed the network “Faceless”.
Now this would be added to the worsening image of the whole Kingdom, when the deed is done by a single maniac. Just like what happened with the Qatif Girl
rayers for the victim of the First “Facebook Murder”:
Thanks to Amjad A, for alerting me to this
PS: I wonder what would he have done with her if she was on muslimspace.com
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The Telegraph
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“PS: I wonder what would he have done with her if she was on muslimspace.com”
Still would’ve been the same. After all, sites like that are bidah, according to those type of folks.
Mmm interesting topic Muneeb but as i always have been taught : there is two sides of the story. No reason in this world and this time to justify his horrible act but dont you feel like something is missing to the story?
I am 100% that some crazy people (esp closed minded people in KSA) and extremist as you call them may do this but people are changing and are adopting to change i just cant believe this is the whole story. again i remind you im not with him at all and i truly feel that he should have been executed , but that dad should not give a wrong image about KSA its one in a million people and everywhere in the world we hear about parents going banana and kill themselves and their families all out of the sudden ! im assuming that there is a big chunk of this story missing like what led him to beat her up, almost every girl now has atleast a guy-friend and people are begging to accept it im sure the girl did more than just chatted with this guy as the newspaper claims. for EX. she could’ve had sex with this guy she was talking to and her dad found it out by going threw her msgs on fb ? so rather than let her be thrown with stones to death and bring the family ever-lasting shame and have a bad ending he lost his nerves and decided to shoot her ?
all i can say is that western are so taking advantage of all these un-finished stories and twisting them for their own good, to show the whole world how KSA is a shit hole and make us Saudi women feel bad for ourselves and make us cry for our freedom till our country becomes weak cuz the women are got into and then they can easily invade our country. what’s there to invade ? lol I agree but walla it makes much more sense than one in a million crazy sick-closed minded people who woke up found his daughter on the comp chatting with another sex and decides to end her life.
Sorry if I bored u hope u get my point =) love ur gr8 topics keep it up =) mashallah!
Ppl like you will make this world a better place papi =)
Looks like this whole story is just clever spam for muslimspace.com. It should be removed for that reason.
F*ck people like this who are so drunk with hate
jessica even if she warmt a virgin he had no right to kill her muslim friends tell me that murder is very serious in islam killing one is equal to killing the whole world??
He beat her up he had time to think wild he was doing it
virginia what do u care he more people get to join that
ur right Daniel
I doubt this is what happened, and even if it did, that’s just as bad! It’s barbaric.
Now the goal is to verify this story further, some people say it’s a rumor that got out of hand. I can’t help but wonder though if they are just saying this for the sake of their country’s reputation, or if it really is a rumor. Unfortunately I can’t seem to find this story on Al Arabiya, which the Daily Mail and other sources claim to have quoted.
Is there any way for us to double check? It’s kind of difficult with the girl and her family being “unnamed.”
Apparently this is the article about it on Al Arabiya, it only mentions the story in passing towards the end.
jessica.. even if she was having an affair?
so what? every girl or a guy who has had an affair deserves to have a fate like this?? death IS the ultimate thing.. he was the judge, jury and the executioner..
may God save us from these kinda ppl
yeah your’r rite.. Most of the stories online have two english sources.. Telgraph and Daily Mail, both of whom quote the Al- Arabiya.. now we would have to wait and see if more big boys pick up.
personally I want this to be just a rumor
but its coming on more sites now.. like the Silly Bahraini Girl and No Honor
to Jessica…
Are you totally nuts? He killed her there is no excuse for that no matter what she did…even if she would have had sex with him…there is no other side or more sides to the story except that it was a mad man who is a evil murderer.
1st of all, the father has no right what so ever to murder his daughter even if he found her in bed with a man!
Jessica, your comment is so out of place and I am shocked that you are trying to justify his actions..
Do you think the demented scenario you mentioned should make us sympathize with the murderer?
2ndly, I haven’t heard any rumors about this story up to now.. I am questioning the reliability of its source..
I have a small comment on what you mentioned Muneeb
I don’t believe that a woman chatting with a man is forbidden or people from different sexes who socialize or get to know each other do it for the thrill.. It is natural, a part of human nature and expected.. rather it is abnormal to be segregated the way we are in KSA.
then tell me ppl why in islam if a dad killed his children they dont execute him? becuz sometimes ppl just loose their control esp being parents with corrupted children i repeated a million times that whatever she did does not justify his barbaric reaction but it seemz that u just read by what u wanted to read from my part…
im out of here ur making a big deal of what can be just a rumor ?? good luck with that !!
I am not sure what you mean. It’s considered a crime in most Muslim countries and you’d go to jail for it.
It’s probably not a rumor. But we’re not treating it as a fact either. A couple of us have contacted Al Arabiya requesting for more info (since they reported it first) but we’re still waiting for an answer. Not sure whether or not they’d be willing to reveal the name of the girl.
actually i aint surprised about what happened—adultery is wrong no matter what culture or religion—in my parents native india, in conservative areas, if adultery between non-married or married ppl happen, ppl do gang up on da perpatrators—among da educated,cultured, and religious class though, its looked the other way. Personally i have slept with quite some arab females, mostly egyptian,moroccan and lebanese and even some saudi and kuwaiti. Most of the saudi and kuwaiti ones were rich,secular, and cultured and they really didnt care about sleeping with other men or taking young lovers as long as they were not saudi or khaleeji.
this is why i despise religion and conservatism of all sorts. a man murdering an innocent woman – his own daughter! and there are some lunatics, apparently even on this board, who cannot understand whats wrong with that.
i cannot help myself but laugh even at these jokers. let me give you a wakeup call: we’re all on this planet right now, someone’s been having intercourse! i.e. your parents! so since this is a fact, shall we just drop all the morals/nonsense/god stuff, be truly free in both mind and spirit, and never look back to the medieval lunacy again?
was she in bed with a guy? if she was having sex with her boyfriend in her bedroom, then her fathers reaction was understandable though not justifiable—i know many saudi women i encounter on business trips to europe who propositioned me and my friends for private encounters while their husbands r in business conferences–its just a shame.
hahahahaha that is too funny.
The United Arab Emirates has held its first national beauty contest for camels with a prize fond of about $27,000 and various trophies for winners.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1809599.stm
fanatics unite + go to the camel beauty contest!
i’m off to the bikini competition
Similar contests are held in Saudi
Anyway, back on topic
Just two days ago, a father in my hometown, in “modern” America, checked into a hotel with his three children. He then proceeded to drown each one separately in the bathtub. They were found dead by the authorities and the father confessed to the crime.
Each and every year in the U.S., we have between fifteen to twenty thousand murders committed.
So is the U.S. any better than Saudi Arabia in this regard? I bet the crime rate is higher here than there.
So what is so terrible about this incident of “honor killing?” Why does it seem to stand out in particular?
My guess is that the main problem with honor killing, and why so many people find it particularly offensive, is that it confuses the difference between right and wrong. We know that murder for profit is wrong. We know that senseless murder is wrong. We know that a father killing his kids in the bathtub is wrong. We know that murder for any reason whatsoever is wrong.
But with honor killing, the line between good and evil is blurred. A father kills his daughter to protect his “honor?” A father kills his daughter to protect the “dignity” of the family name? A father kills his daughter because he felt complelled as a religious man by the “dicates” of his religion?
The problem with honor killing is that the distinction between good and evil becomes confused. Most of us realize how wrong it is, but we are confounded by the fact that there are people out their who point to the sanctity of the deed. And it is that confusion which scares us most. Because when the day comes that we no longer know right from wrong, then on that day, our fates will be quickly sealed, and our survival on this good earth will quickly become an open question.
Nissim that is a very interesting and thought provoking comment. You’re asking some pretty tough questions here:
And I guess we will never understand the criminals who put their honor, dignity, or religion ahead of basic morals and humanity.
You hit the nail on the head, Esra’a. We have no right to put our self-esteem above the dicatates of basic morals and humanity. In fact, we have no right to put any idea or belief above the requirements of our intuitive notions of right and wrong. We brought our daughters into this world to live; not to die before their time.
There are two reasons to kill, and only two: either someone is coming at you with an ax, or someone is coming at your buddy with an ax. Self-defense and the defense of others. That’s it. No other reason to kill. Is that so complicated?
well the English translation of the (unreliable) report from Al-Arabia surely does miss some points, I read the report and it was talking about Saudi girls making connections through facebook then expanding their relationship on Instant Messaging, also talked about alot of sexual exposures on webcams and pictures, then they used the example of the dad that killed his daughter after he found her on MSN chatting with some man. while the english translation only mentioned:
So as jessica said, there is obviously something missing in the story, and the dad’s intentions might not have been to kill the daughter, maybe just to beat her and threaten but his anger got in the way.
I am not defending the killer, it is obviously morally, ethically and religiously unaccepted. But i just wanted to point out how many of the stuff you read can be misleading, and if you can find one thing wrong in a story you read or hear, then expect much more than that cause a lie is built on another lie.
Maybe because she was brutally killed doing something what we do everyday and dont give a second thought to? we take these things for granted.
and maybe that this happened in ME where the internet penetration is not that much. its not like social networking sites havnt taken lives in the US.
A Son killed his father’s over it.
A girl killed herself over a MySpace relationship, which turned out to be a fake. So I guess we should sadly add this to the increasing social networking deaths?
and what about those teens and 20 somethings who runaway [aka MySpace Runaway's] from home because some guy they fell in ‘love’ with online promised to take care of her?
and its not like this is the only case. other gruesome shit happens too but these are the acts of individuals who just did it in Saudi Arabia and maybe there are tooo few of them and we havnt been used to these brutal killings getting media attention?
and I sure hope that we never do get used to these.
I read a sad comment somewhere that said something along the lines of this:
“this gives a whole new meaning to the term: I brought you in this world, I can take you out”
umm that’s what I’m saying. [just not clear] You try to prevent some1 from doing something and they would find a way.
PS:
sure.. its understandable if she was just beaten [and sadly become another statistic] but surely before shooting someone you get something like what am I doing…? Did he just hate her soo friggin much that even after beating her he wasnt cooled down? these kinda ppl need shrinks
so this should have been reviewed from a different angle, not the “Saudi’s are extremists” angle, there are a lot of murder cases where parents kill their sons or daughters all around the world, actually there are more in the west than there is here in KSA. What my point is, imagine you read about a dad killing his daughter out of anger in the US for example, you would be saying “Oh the dad must have been crazy or something”, but in this case its Arab country + muslims .. “oh extremists!!” and it gives a bad image.
In India, many women get killed by their mother-in-laws over dowry issues. I hardly see this on the news… ohhh well.. I guess muzzie killing someone is an automatic news worth story.
The intent behind killing is an important concept in most systems of jurisprudence. The difference between manslaughter and murder is intent.
In the U.S. we kill one another for a number of reasons: greed, anger, lunacy, drug money, sex, racism, etc.
In the Middle East, some people kill for ideological reasons. In other words, they believe that what they’re doing is right, and that the act is conferred legitimacy by some higher source, like the Quran, or God, or some notion of honor that knows no bounds.
When there is an ideological bent to your killing, that’s when things can get really dangerous. Ideology got the U.S. in trouble in Iraq. Ideology has kept the Middle East in trouble for the past 80 or 90 years.
It is time to disassociate killing from ideology, and to use killing as a last resort, only in extreme cases of self-defense, or the legitimate defense of others.
My 1st thought was that there is something wrong.
Then i read mamine’s comment regarding how the article was mis-translated, and it verified my doubts.
Well, whatever the reason is, what the father has commited was a complete disgrace. There are that much words to descrive how awful it is.
There isn’t anything i can think of that may lead a sane person to kill his/her own kids.
However, I am still in doubt that such incident really happened, and i truly beleive this story is being given too much attention.
I just hate it when such stupid stories come out and do a pretty good job of making us debate and babble about this and that.
Something i want to point out is that people , especially Western people are in a dire need to learn how make difference between an act of ignorance and stupidness and an act based on religion.
Some might use this murder incident and many others such as terrorist bombings etc, as a fancy execuse to justify their claims that Islam is violent.
With no doubt, the Western World has the highest rate of crimes, and you don’t see us or anyone else justifying that by claiming its because of their religions.
After all, we’re merely all human. It’s being far away rather being near our religion that leads to such sad shameful acts.
God knows all best.
Peace ^-^..hehe..srry, twaz long i knw!:P
from what i understand about islamic law, if a male sees his wife,sister,mother,daughter or any other female relative in a compromising position with an unrelated male, provided the male’s penis is two thirds in the female vagina, then what i read in hadith is that such a female provided she is married, should be stoned for adultery—maybe some knowledgeable muslims are able to confirm this—now in this specific case, i dont have any idea what happened, if she was merely chatting or she was in a state of adultery with an unrelated man’s penis in her vagina about two-thirds—even if she was, if she was not married or engaged, she could only be lashed from what i understand. This is according to Islamic law. However I know in saudi arabia and much of the arab world, tribal and cultural laws are considered more superior to religious law. In any event, I hope Allah bless her poor soul and forgive her sins. Its very sad and heart-wrenching to hear about such an incident.
As far as I am concerned, for guilt to be established, the “adulterer” must confess, or the testimony of four credible and pious men (!). Some scholars would add the pregnancy of a single woman to the list, but that is contested.
As the punishment of stoning isn’t mentioned in the Qur’an, many Muslims argue it cannot be considered as an Islamic punishment and should be abolished. There are also campaigns for it to be abolished
While it’s true that proving adultery might be difficult, the fact remains that stoning/100 lashes is barbaric – to say the least – and have no place in our societies.
im at a loss regarding one thing—-the quran says that four witnesses need 2 c a woman committing adultery—-how can that b possible??? will they b siting outside with one those long telescopes 2 see if a woman is in her room with a male other than her husband,brother,father, or son. Many of my muslim friends have said 2 me that they know its not possible to follow quranic rules in today’s modern society specifically regarding adultery—but they cant go against quran’s ruling for fear of blasfemy—The Quran talks about lashing yet in many hadiths i read, the prophet ordered stoning with pebbles—i think many muslims are in a bind and dont have the courage to admit that some of their laws especially pertaining to adultery have no room in the modern world. For the stone ages in ancient arabia, it may have made sense to stone but not now—when i was in saudi and egypt, a good number of saudi and egyptian females, mostly married but young and beautiful would meet us in our compounds for one night stands—-we would be shocked but they confessed that while theoritically muslim women were not supposed to commit adultery, but in reality it was very different. More shocking, many of them confessed that their husbands couldnt perform sex with them properly or were bisexual or were pedophiles or had erection problems and thus they were not really satisfied with their sexual lives—many of these women were from very well to do and educated families i must add. They knew they were engaging in risky behavior and if found out they could be ruthlessly murdered by their families but they were so sexually frustrated and wanted a penis in their vaginas that they did not care and thought it was woruth the risk. I just dont understand this double standard which exists in the muslim psyche.
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Social Media became a very dangerous weapon, and should be used well.
That is nothing less than crazy. I am an American guy married to a Saudi woman. One of the ways we keep contact to her very large family in Saudi is via Facebook.
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what waht is happen in this world..every day i read about us..sometimes i think there r women in this world but us!!..i dont believe that’s lies.ugh, i dont like to talk more but every i can come to my country and see the truth by his or her eys..
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to all who attacks Islam And KSA as Well We are Proud we are Muslim and this there sentences written about this is story is not true at all , and i believe that all religion and all countries have these complicated stories and especially in Europe and USA where women don’t have the luxury and respect we do have in gulf Area if they dont work they cant survive . so try to have have fun in your problems and diseases u do have and stop showing that you have freedom you have nothing .
Father is Father where ever he is . we are proud to be Muslims and Saudi and we do have a respect to our men , so daniel i don’t think and lady will think to offer you any thing. maybe you are trying to find offer on this space . BLESS MUSLIMS AND KSA { by the way im not Saudi and i live in Europe for along time i know the disaster in your daily life .
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sounds like another clever plan to messup with people minds – indeed a great weapon in this age is social media. guys, has anyone got any prove on this..