Father is Father where ever he is . we are proud to be Muslims and Saudi and we do have a respect to our men , so daniel i don’t think and lady will think to offer you any thing. maybe you are trying to find offer on this space . BLESS MUSLIMS AND KSA { by the way im not Saudi and i live in Europe for along time i know the disaster in your daily life .

How do you come up with so much material to blog with?…

As the punishment of stoning isn’t mentioned in the Qur’an, many Muslims argue it cannot be considered as an Islamic punishment and should be abolished. There are also campaigns for it to be abolished

While it’s true that proving adultery might be difficult, the fact remains that stoning/100 lashes is barbaric – to say the least – and have no place in our societies.

Something i want to point out is that people , especially Western people are in a dire need to learn how make difference between an act of ignorance and stupidness and an act based on religion.

Some might use this murder incident and many others such as terrorist bombings etc, as a fancy execuse to justify their claims that Islam is violent.

With no doubt, the Western World has the highest rate of crimes, and you don’t see us or anyone else justifying that by claiming its because of their religions.

After all, we’re merely all human. It’s being far away rather being near our religion that leads to such sad shameful acts.

God knows all best.
Peace ^-^..hehe..srry, twaz long i knw!:P

In the U.S. we kill one another for a number of reasons: greed, anger, lunacy, drug money, sex, racism, etc.

In the Middle East, some people kill for ideological reasons. In other words, they believe that what they’re doing is right, and that the act is conferred legitimacy by some higher source, like the Quran, or God, or some notion of honor that knows no bounds.

When there is an ideological bent to your killing, that’s when things can get really dangerous. Ideology got the U.S. in trouble in Iraq. Ideology has kept the Middle East in trouble for the past 80 or 90 years.

It is time to disassociate killing from ideology, and to use killing as a last resort, only in extreme cases of self-defense, or the legitimate defense of others.

these kinda ppl need shrinks

so this should have been reviewed from a different angle, not the “Saudi’s are extremists” angle, there are a lot of murder cases where parents kill their sons or daughters all around the world, actually there are more in the west than there is here in KSA. What my point is, imagine you read about a dad killing his daughter out of anger in the US for example, you would be saying “Oh the dad must have been crazy or something”, but in this case its Arab country + muslims .. “oh extremists!!” and it gives a bad image.

and the dad’s intentions might not have been to kill the daughter, maybe just to beat her and threaten but his anger got in the way.

sure.. its understandable if she was just beaten [and sadly become another statistic] but surely before shooting someone you get something like what am I doing…? Did he just hate her soo friggin much that even after beating her he wasnt cooled down? these kinda ppl need shrinks

So what is so terrible about this incident of “honor killing?” Why does it seem to stand out in particular?

Maybe because she was brutally killed doing something what we do everyday and dont give a second thought to? we take these things for granted.
and maybe that this happened in ME where the internet penetration is not that much. its not like social networking sites havnt taken lives in the US.

A Son killed his father’s over it.
A girl killed herself over a MySpace relationship, which turned out to be a fake. So I guess we should sadly add this to the increasing social networking deaths?
and what about those teens and 20 somethings who runaway [aka MySpace Runaway's] from home because some guy they fell in ‘love’ with online promised to take care of her?

and its not like this is the only case. other gruesome shit happens too but these are the acts of individuals who just did it in Saudi Arabia and maybe there are tooo few of them and we havnt been used to these brutal killings getting media attention?
and I sure hope that we never do get used to these.

We brought our daughters into this world to live; not to die before their time.

I read a sad comment somewhere that said something along the lines of this:
“this gives a whole new meaning to the term: I brought you in this world, I can take you out”

Rasha wrote:
I don’t believe that a woman chatting with a man is forbidden or people from different sexes who socialize or get to know each other do it for the thrill.. It is natural, a part of human nature and expected.. rather it is abnormal to be segregated the way we are in KSA.

umm that’s what I’m saying. [just not clear] You try to prevent some1 from doing something and they would find a way.

A young Saudi Arabian woman was murdered by her father for chatting on the social network site Facebook

So as jessica said, there is obviously something missing in the story, and the dad’s intentions might not have been to kill the daughter, maybe just to beat her and threaten but his anger got in the way.
I am not defending the killer, it is obviously morally, ethically and religiously unaccepted. But i just wanted to point out how many of the stuff you read can be misleading, and if you can find one thing wrong in a story you read or hear, then expect much more than that cause a lie is built on another lie.

And I guess we will never understand the criminals who put their honor, dignity, or religion ahead of basic morals and humanity.

You hit the nail on the head, Esra’a. We have no right to put our self-esteem above the dicatates of basic morals and humanity. In fact, we have no right to put any idea or belief above the requirements of our intuitive notions of right and wrong. We brought our daughters into this world to live; not to die before their time.

There are two reasons to kill, and only two: either someone is coming at you with an ax, or someone is coming at your buddy with an ax. Self-defense and the defense of others. That’s it. No other reason to kill. Is that so complicated?

A father kills his daughter to protect his “honor?” A father kills his daughter to protect the “dignity” of the family name? A father kills his daughter because he felt complelled as a religious man by the “dicates” of his religion?

And I guess we will never understand the criminals who put their honor, dignity, or religion ahead of basic morals and humanity.

Each and every year in the U.S., we have between fifteen to twenty thousand murders committed.

So is the U.S. any better than Saudi Arabia in this regard? I bet the crime rate is higher here than there.

So what is so terrible about this incident of “honor killing?” Why does it seem to stand out in particular?

My guess is that the main problem with honor killing, and why so many people find it particularly offensive, is that it confuses the difference between right and wrong. We know that murder for profit is wrong. We know that senseless murder is wrong. We know that a father killing his kids in the bathtub is wrong. We know that murder for any reason whatsoever is wrong.

But with honor killing, the line between good and evil is blurred. A father kills his daughter to protect his “honor?” A father kills his daughter to protect the “dignity” of the family name? A father kills his daughter because he felt complelled as a religious man by the “dicates” of his religion?

The problem with honor killing is that the distinction between good and evil becomes confused. Most of us realize how wrong it is, but we are confounded by the fact that there are people out their who point to the sanctity of the deed. And it is that confusion which scares us most. Because when the day comes that we no longer know right from wrong, then on that day, our fates will be quickly sealed, and our survival on this good earth will quickly become an open question.

Suddenly, Mr. Shammari grabbed the white camel’s chin and kissed it square on the mouth. “When you get to know the camels, you feel love for them. My camels are like my children, my family.”

Anyway, back on topic

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1809599.stm

fanatics unite + go to the camel beauty contest!

i’m off to the bikini competition