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		<title>By: Kawthar (Sudan)</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/04/05/schism-the-bible-version-of-fitna/#comment-17328</link>
		<dc:creator>Kawthar (Sudan)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 16:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of MEY&#039;s primary aims is to foster interfaith dialogue and spread awareness and tolerance between different religious groups.

While Esra&#039;a&#039;s primary intention behind this post might have been encouraging a discussion, this thread quickly descended into a vitriolic hurling of accusations and is frankly not the level of discussion worthy of MEY. Therefore, this thread is now closed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of MEY&#8217;s primary aims is to foster interfaith dialogue and spread awareness and tolerance between different religious groups.</p>
<p>While Esra&#8217;a's primary intention behind this post might have been encouraging a discussion, this thread quickly descended into a vitriolic hurling of accusations and is frankly not the level of discussion worthy of MEY. Therefore, this thread is now closed.</p>
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		<title>By: Esra'a (Bahrain)</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/04/05/schism-the-bible-version-of-fitna/#comment-17327</link>
		<dc:creator>Esra'a (Bahrain)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 16:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems like you &lt;strong&gt;still&lt;/strong&gt; do not get it!

&lt;blockquote&gt;The film you posted does shown the other side.  It shows Christian who commit violence.  However the parts where they show the children speaking about being part of God&#039;s Army is taken way out of context as did the maker of the original film they plagerized from &quot;Jesus Camp&quot;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
That is the whole POINT! For the film to be taken out of CONTEXT, the way Wilder&#039;s was. Please read the disclaimer. Please read why the creator of the film INTENTIONALLY twisted everything for the sheer sake of making a point about how Wilders equally twisted everything. He is using the same tactic, but not promoting a similar message towards Christianity. The point here is &quot;don&#039;t be fooled,&quot; not &quot;hate Christians.&quot;

Does anyone here besides Murad understand why this film was created in the first place?!

My God! You people are impossible!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems like you <strong>still</strong> do not get it!</p>
<blockquote><p>The film you posted does shown the other side.  It shows Christian who commit violence.  However the parts where they show the children speaking about being part of God&#8217;s Army is taken way out of context as did the maker of the original film they plagerized from &#8220;Jesus Camp&#8221;.</p></blockquote>
<p>That is the whole POINT! For the film to be taken out of CONTEXT, the way Wilder&#8217;s was. Please read the disclaimer. Please read why the creator of the film INTENTIONALLY twisted everything for the sheer sake of making a point about how Wilders equally twisted everything. He is using the same tactic, but not promoting a similar message towards Christianity. The point here is &#8220;don&#8217;t be fooled,&#8221; not &#8220;hate Christians.&#8221;</p>
<p>Does anyone here besides Murad understand why this film was created in the first place?!</p>
<p>My God! You people are impossible!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve (USA)</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/04/05/schism-the-bible-version-of-fitna/#comment-17326</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve (USA)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 16:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Esra&#039;a

I read your updated post. And I think it is a bit of a cop out.  The film you posted does shown the other side.  It shows Christian who commit violence.  However the parts where they show the children speaking about being part of God&#039;s Army is taken way out of context as did the maker of the original film they plagerized from &quot;Jesus Camp&quot;.  Nowhere in the film did the Children advocate violence.  They are talking about sprititual warfare described in the Bible.  It is the same thing that Jihad is.  A struggle against evil.  God does not want us to kill his children.  We are &quot;ALL&quot; his children.

You call people &quot;Dimwitted&quot; because they feel you are being anti-Christian.  You should not insult people for expressing opinions.  It&#039;s the purpose of this blog to foster discussion, right.  Or is it to insite hatred or polerize people?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Esra&#8217;a</p>
<p>I read your updated post. And I think it is a bit of a cop out.  The film you posted does shown the other side.  It shows Christian who commit violence.  However the parts where they show the children speaking about being part of God&#8217;s Army is taken way out of context as did the maker of the original film they plagerized from &#8220;Jesus Camp&#8221;.  Nowhere in the film did the Children advocate violence.  They are talking about sprititual warfare described in the Bible.  It is the same thing that Jihad is.  A struggle against evil.  God does not want us to kill his children.  We are &#8220;ALL&#8221; his children.</p>
<p>You call people &#8220;Dimwitted&#8221; because they feel you are being anti-Christian.  You should not insult people for expressing opinions.  It&#8217;s the purpose of this blog to foster discussion, right.  Or is it to insite hatred or polerize people?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve (USA)</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/04/05/schism-the-bible-version-of-fitna/#comment-17325</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve (USA)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 16:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People,

The release of Fitna is a good thing.  Because it brings people to the table for discussion.  In addition it has illuminated people with hatred in their hearts on all sides.  These people need to be exposed. Violence is not the answer. Education is. Not indoctrination. See the following series talking about such indoctrinations. Please see all 10 parts of &quot;Obsession: Radical Islam&#039;s War Against the West&quot;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMLJJEDDDGc

Again, I ask you all:

&quot;Where in the new testiment does it say to Kill. Where in the new testiment does it say to war?&quot;

Chritians who war are not true Christians.  Jesus never advocated war.
He did say to follow the 10 commandments.  It is as valid now as it was when Moses delivered it to the world.  We are not to kill people who don&#039;t follow it either. That would be the ultimate hypocrisy.

Muslims, Jews and Christian all have the same roots.  Abrahim and Moses are the great prophets we share the legacy of. WE all need to respect the right to free will handed to us by God. We need to teach people how to pray, not to kill.  We need to teach people how to love each other, not hate.  We need to teach each other how to respect each other as children of God, not incite violence against &quot;infadels of Satan.&quot;  God the Father is the Judge, not men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People,</p>
<p>The release of Fitna is a good thing.  Because it brings people to the table for discussion.  In addition it has illuminated people with hatred in their hearts on all sides.  These people need to be exposed. Violence is not the answer. Education is. Not indoctrination. See the following series talking about such indoctrinations. Please see all 10 parts of &#8220;Obsession: Radical Islam&#8217;s War Against the West&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMLJJEDDDGc" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMLJJEDDDGc</a></p>
<p>Again, I ask you all:</p>
<p>&#8220;Where in the new testiment does it say to Kill. Where in the new testiment does it say to war?&#8221;</p>
<p>Chritians who war are not true Christians.  Jesus never advocated war.<br />
He did say to follow the 10 commandments.  It is as valid now as it was when Moses delivered it to the world.  We are not to kill people who don&#8217;t follow it either. That would be the ultimate hypocrisy.</p>
<p>Muslims, Jews and Christian all have the same roots.  Abrahim and Moses are the great prophets we share the legacy of. WE all need to respect the right to free will handed to us by God. We need to teach people how to pray, not to kill.  We need to teach people how to love each other, not hate.  We need to teach each other how to respect each other as children of God, not incite violence against &#8220;infadels of Satan.&#8221;  God the Father is the Judge, not men.</p>
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		<title>By: Esra'a (Bahrain)</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/04/05/schism-the-bible-version-of-fitna/#comment-17324</link>
		<dc:creator>Esra'a (Bahrain)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 15:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I updated the post with an explanation for the shallow ones who didn&#039;t get it the first time around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I updated the post with an explanation for the shallow ones who didn&#8217;t get it the first time around.</p>
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		<title>By: Esra'a (Bahrain)</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/04/05/schism-the-bible-version-of-fitna/#comment-17323</link>
		<dc:creator>Esra'a (Bahrain)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 15:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The creator of the video should have put his disclaimer in CAPS in the beginning of the video for those too lazy to actually sit through the whole thing. What an embarrassing group of people we have pretending to &quot;debate&quot; here. Seriously? The purpose of the video was lost on like, everyone? I&#039;m losing more and more hope for humanity with every passing moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The creator of the video should have put his disclaimer in CAPS in the beginning of the video for those too lazy to actually sit through the whole thing. What an embarrassing group of people we have pretending to &#8220;debate&#8221; here. Seriously? The purpose of the video was lost on like, everyone? I&#8217;m losing more and more hope for humanity with every passing moment.</p>
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		<title>By: Murad (Kuwait)</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/04/05/schism-the-bible-version-of-fitna/#comment-17322</link>
		<dc:creator>Murad (Kuwait)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 15:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Myrtus, sorry to be the one breaking this to you, but you&#039;re pretty dense. I agree that people should make an effort to read the comments before making such personal comments.

It&#039;s perfectly clear why this video was posted. She is not trying to say that this is how Christianity really is, she is trying to show that Islamophobia is comparable to this kind of bullshit yet everyone gets away with it, including Wilders with his &quot;Fitna.&quot; In the comments it also shows that members of every faith kill in the name of God or their prophets, not just Islam, but you only see people demonizing Islam in the mainstream media. Hence this video.

The creator of this video is not anti-Christian. The disclaimer in the end reads, and I&#039;m paraphrasing: It is easy to take a holy book and make it sound like the most violent or hateful book out there. This is what Geert did, and this is what the creator of the video is trying to prove wrong.

So everyone needs to calm down and understand why this video was here in the first place. No one is agreeing with this video, not even the creator himself. Learn how to read!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Myrtus, sorry to be the one breaking this to you, but you&#8217;re pretty dense. I agree that people should make an effort to read the comments before making such personal comments.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s perfectly clear why this video was posted. She is not trying to say that this is how Christianity really is, she is trying to show that Islamophobia is comparable to this kind of bullshit yet everyone gets away with it, including Wilders with his &#8220;Fitna.&#8221; In the comments it also shows that members of every faith kill in the name of God or their prophets, not just Islam, but you only see people demonizing Islam in the mainstream media. Hence this video.</p>
<p>The creator of this video is not anti-Christian. The disclaimer in the end reads, and I&#8217;m paraphrasing: It is easy to take a holy book and make it sound like the most violent or hateful book out there. This is what Geert did, and this is what the creator of the video is trying to prove wrong.</p>
<p>So everyone needs to calm down and understand why this video was here in the first place. No one is agreeing with this video, not even the creator himself. Learn how to read!</p>
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		<title>By: Esra'a (Bahrain)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Esra'a (Bahrain)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 15:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Myrtus, thanks for NOT reading any of the goddamned comments here.&lt;/strong&gt;

I am not sure why people are so lazy and dimwitted to the point of not understanding the point of this movie at all.

How many times must one has to repeat themselves? Who is agreeing with this video and its content? Who is endorsing it? Are you out of your mind or just super lazy not to have read any of the comments and the purpose of the video itself?

It&#039;s like this thread is a refuge for the eternally retarded.

People; read the comments. I&#039;m sick of repeating myself and inviting all of these psycho reactions that aren&#039;t even informed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Myrtus, thanks for NOT reading any of the goddamned comments here.</strong></p>
<p>I am not sure why people are so lazy and dimwitted to the point of not understanding the point of this movie at all.</p>
<p>How many times must one has to repeat themselves? Who is agreeing with this video and its content? Who is endorsing it? Are you out of your mind or just super lazy not to have read any of the comments and the purpose of the video itself?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like this thread is a refuge for the eternally retarded.</p>
<p>People; read the comments. I&#8217;m sick of repeating myself and inviting all of these psycho reactions that aren&#8217;t even informed.</p>
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		<title>By: Tonto (USA)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tonto (USA)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 15:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The punk ass grunts in  the video aren&#039;t even American....they&#039;re Iraqi. War, murder and mayhem seem to be a natural state of mankind.  An abundant and never-ending supply of assholes in this world is, evidently, natural too.  Will we ever get past this &quot;fitna&quot; aberration? Can we get past this &quot;he said, she said&quot; crap too? The importance of &quot;fitna&quot; seems to be that lots of people want to get some feelings aired. Maybe that&#039;s a good thing even if feelings are hurt and feathers ruffled. If more hard feelings are discussed, can that be beneficial?  Actually, I like the idea of everyone acknowledging their feelings and talking about them without fear. I don&#039;t have to like what anyone else thinks or feels, but I MUST concede their right to have those thoughts and feelings.  Their viewpoint almost automatically begins a &quot;judgement&quot; type thought precess that compares my view with theirs and assigns a level of validity to each.  What can that start? Understanding? Tolerance? Respect?  Now there&#039;s some concepts for ya!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The punk ass grunts in  the video aren&#8217;t even American&#8230;.they&#8217;re Iraqi. War, murder and mayhem seem to be a natural state of mankind.  An abundant and never-ending supply of assholes in this world is, evidently, natural too.  Will we ever get past this &#8220;fitna&#8221; aberration? Can we get past this &#8220;he said, she said&#8221; crap too? The importance of &#8220;fitna&#8221; seems to be that lots of people want to get some feelings aired. Maybe that&#8217;s a good thing even if feelings are hurt and feathers ruffled. If more hard feelings are discussed, can that be beneficial?  Actually, I like the idea of everyone acknowledging their feelings and talking about them without fear. I don&#8217;t have to like what anyone else thinks or feels, but I MUST concede their right to have those thoughts and feelings.  Their viewpoint almost automatically begins a &#8220;judgement&#8221; type thought precess that compares my view with theirs and assigns a level of validity to each.  What can that start? Understanding? Tolerance? Respect?  Now there&#8217;s some concepts for ya!</p>
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		<title>By: Lord Kavi (Iran)</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/04/05/schism-the-bible-version-of-fitna/#comment-17319</link>
		<dc:creator>Lord Kavi (Iran)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 15:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Esra,

Holocaust Denial movies will make them more annoy. Thats the christianity world dogma! They deny the jews genocide!

David Duke: &quot;In Europe you can freely question, ridicule and deny Jesus Christ. The same is true for the prophet Muhammad, and nothing will happen to you. But offer a single question of the smallest part of the Holocaust and you face prison.&quot;
Frederick Töben: &quot;Minds are being switched off to the Holocaust dogma as it is being sold as a historical fact and yet we are not able to question it. This is mental rape.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Esra,</p>
<p>Holocaust Denial movies will make them more annoy. Thats the christianity world dogma! They deny the jews genocide!</p>
<p>David Duke: &#8220;In Europe you can freely question, ridicule and deny Jesus Christ. The same is true for the prophet Muhammad, and nothing will happen to you. But offer a single question of the smallest part of the Holocaust and you face prison.&#8221;<br />
Frederick Töben: &#8220;Minds are being switched off to the Holocaust dogma as it is being sold as a historical fact and yet we are not able to question it. This is mental rape.&#8221;</p>
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