5 homosexual men sentenced to 3 years of prison in Egypt
An Egyptian court convicted five men Wednesday on charges of homosexual behavior and sentenced them to three years in prison, officials said.
Ramadan, a lawyer with the Egyptian Initiative for Personal Rights, said the five men were abused and tortured over the past several months to “extract confessions” from them.
- The AP
It still escapes me why homosexuality is considered a crime in many countries across the Arab and Muslim world, despite Islam not permitting it. A sin, yes. I can understand that. But a strict and punishable crime? One that can get you imprisoned, or hanged?
Though homosexuality isn’t technically illegal in Egypt, police have been cracking down, some say, to appease religious leaders.
- Queerty
We have debated many times here on whether or not homosexuality should be tolerated and whether or not their human rights should be fought for.
But, I ask you this question upon reading this horrible news today, should homosexuality be considered a crime? Should people be imprisoned and tortured merely for their sexual orientation?
Here, I am not talking about human rights in the sense that homosexuals are accepted entirely in society (even though I fully agree with this,) because we have already discussed that here. I am talking about your opinions on the strict forms of punishment; imprisoning or hanging gay people. This is a question towards people who do not tolerate gays, but haven’t really expressed how society or the government should react.
I still have hope for those who do not tolerate gay people and justify societal abuse against them. I’m wondering whether such people can support their oppression via censorship and societal unacceptance, and yet still disagree with these unjust sentences.
Or if you have no tolerance whatsoever, I guess you support both. Do you really think homosexuality is linked to “moral corruption”? If so, why and how? A lot of people answer this question by talking about gay bars, gay parties, distancing youth from religion, et al. But I wonder, don’t all of these “immoral” things exist within heterosexuality too? Strip clubs, alcohol-ridden casinos, sex trade, premarital sex? So really gay people are not contributing to that just for being gay. There are many gay people who were driven to suicide because they simply can’t change who they are or their sexual orientation. Lovers have died for each other. It’s more serious than what many people here seem to think.
What’s your view? Is sentencing gay people to death or imprisonment really the actions of a just society? If you have no tolerance for gays and think they have no place in our countries then what do you suggest? Kill them?
PS – Many Lebanese homosexuals have come out of the closet. I wonder when we can say the same for other Arab countries.
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Such draconian methods isn’t going to hamper homosexuality. A perfect example of that is Saudi Arabia.
You know, sexual orientations are affected by embryo and fetus stages of organisms (and also human being) differentiations. Then when you birth, your sexual orientation has been fixed and it will manifest itself when you become mature (at the time of puberty).
Then, if your sexual orientation at the time of puberty was rare between humans, such as gay or lesbian (you were homosexual) then you should sentence to punishment?
I think, at the first step we should make it known why homosexuality evolves, to the public (make people aware).
Lord Kavi,
though I totally with your try to take this issue the scientific way, I have to say you’re not totally right. As far as science knows, the sexual orientation isn’t fixed at birth, maybe never at all.
Well, I believe one shouldn’t be sentenced for anything which didn’t cause a damage to somebody else, if it be physical or psychical. Homosexuality cuts no ones freedom, neither material nor metaphysical. So why should it be a crime?
Well this is hardly a fact of “science.” Many scientists will disagree with you, those who argue that homosexuality is biological. And I tend to agree that it does have biological factors in the sense that homosexuals don’t necessarily choose who they are attracted to. Haven’t you seen children as young as 3 and 4 displaying signs of “homosexuality” despite their upbringing and eventually grow up to be gay? You can’t argue they chose to be this way. There are people who have committed suicide because they tried very hard to change, to repent (the religious ones) but they simply cannot. It’s not who they “become,” it’s simply who they “are.”
i am sure that it was ‘unintentional’ mistake from you Esr’a to ignore one important piece of detail which is that four of the five convicts are HIV+ (Al-Arabiya)
i hope i don’t get whipped for homophobia if i say that the link between HIV and sodomy is so strong and that homosexuality contributed heavily to the wide spread of HIV.
and on a side note, the logic used by this Aussie couple reminds me of someone
Hormones determine what gender you are attracted to. Pretty stupid to punishment someone for it or to say “they turn gay”.
Spanky is back to justify violence against homosexuals again. This time blaming their health.
Oh really? That is an “important” piece of detail? So they don’t get admitted for help, or receive any sort of care whatsoever – instead they get imprisoned and tortured. And to you, this is okay.
Enlighten yourself on how AIDS victims really feel. And here, too.
ROFL HIV AND HOMOSEXUALITY…
GOTO INDIA AND AFRICA AND SOUTH EAST ASIA… you know the place where most HIV infected people are… you’ll hardly find any homosexuals.
Jina if you’re expecting Spanky to be logical in any form in his homophobic arguments you’re mistaken. The guy is trying very hard to justify his personal dislike for homosexuals, and fails miserably at every attempt, it’s becoming increasingly sickening to sit through.
GAYZ R TEH END OF CIVILIZATIONZ. TEY CAUZ AIDZ. Please, grow up.
I don’t believe that being gay or having HIV+ should in any way, shape or form be a punishable crime.
I also believe this type of situation is a direct example of when religion and politics collide when they should be totally seperate. (Esra’a I know you’ve responded to similar comments of mine before by saying that many in the Arab world are not ready for a seperation of religion and the state, but it’s examples like this one from Egypt that are so frustrating when I see such a simple solution)
For example, I know many, many religious people in the US (Christian, Muslim, or otherwise) that object to a law allowing gay marriage, but would never ever advocate for a homosexuality to be punishable crime. This reflects 2 different levels of “human rights” – one allows something, while the other actually causes bodily harm to someone else. Not allowing gay marraige would not cause bodily harm to any couple – that’s a civil right as opposed to a personal right.
Religious morals and values should certainly influence the law – but not dictate it. For example, “do not kill” – one of the basic tenets of a collective society. Although one could argue the roots of laws regarding murder are religious (10 commandments), even atheists would agree that murder should not be allowed in society.
@ Esra’a:
Yes, and no. The question you posed can’t be answered through scientific research, that’s true. But the question if homosexuals choose to be homosexual or not is scientific, and the answer on it might be important for the answer on the question whether being homosexual could be seen as a crime.
But I think we shouldn’t discuss scientific theories as I assume we all aren’t professionals on that topic. Only to show that there are very different theories, a few sentences from the English Wikipedia:
Of course they should be, Jessica, but tell that to the Muslims who insist on having the Koran server as our constitution and leaving governance to Sharia Law.
What will you say to these Muslims, “your religion is wrong and society should therefore not rely upon it?” You can’t convince them of such thing. This is what’s plaguing us right now. This is why so many religious minorities, too, are suffering in our hands and my fellow Muslims seem to be perfectly content with what’s going on, enough to remain silent despite decades of abuse. Those with some sense keep protesting everything with just a mere shrug. No outcry, no campaigning, no public condemnation due to fear and “respect” of our unjust, despicable laws. I’m disgusted. This has to change.
Simon, that explanation seems to be overly simplistic. But I am glad to see that the findings acknowledge the fact that people are homosexuals for many different reasons (and there are also people who are bisexual, transgendered, etc, whose cases are just as complex to explain.) It doesn’t change my opinion that homosexuality in many cases is indeed biological and does not come down to choice, and to kill or imprison someone because of who they are, something they cannot control, is just beyond unjust. It’s an insult to humanity, that we have to be so confined as to who we are and what kind of personal life one must lead.
Science proved that different parts of your brain are activated by sexual feeling on a homosexual as suppose to a heterosexual. It is universally known that it’s your hormones that makes you attract to certain gender. Which gender is depending on which hormone is the dominating one.
I know most are content on enforcing their own view with pseudoscience. I know this is like trying to convince a racist not to be. Homophobia is a result of years and years of brainwashing like racism. You won’t open your eyes so don’t’ see the point in this argument. blaaaa
don’t take my word for it
read the American CDC report
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5445a1.htm
and even in Africa the chairman of the National Action Committee on AIDS say that the spread homosexuality only make HIV epidimic get worse
http://www.narth.com/docs/nigeria.html
and from the capital of the homosexual world we have some disturbing news
http://www.thebody.com/content/whatis/art32006.html
and even worse
http://www.thebody.com/content/whatis/art44515.html
and last but not least
The Los Angeles Gay and Lesbian Center Admits HIV/AIDS is “Gay Disease”
you know what. ignore all that….the world is full of homophobic bastards, ignore them, ignore Quran and the Bible, only you have the truth, only you got the “logic”
I just happened upon this blog looking for the Schism video, but I saw this thread and was curious. Here’s my take:
First, there should be no question that to punish or even murder people for being gay is morally reprehensible. It is cruel, unjust and a tragic abuse of power when a government murders or otherwise harms it’s own civilians because of their sexual orientation. That goes without saying. There simply is no such thing as a religious clause for human rights abuses. You don’t get to hurt others just because you a book that says you can. That goes for everyone, not just Muslims, and not just religious people.
Second, Spanky wrote:
Did “heterosexuality” contribute too? Of course it didn’t, because this statement is nothing more than meaningless drivel.
What contributes are unsafe sex practices, it simply doesn’t matter what a person’s orientation is. Further, lesbians typically have the lowest HIV/AIDS rates. They are homosexual, yet they aren’t really contributing to the problem. So not only is this statement crass and bigoted, it’s flat out wrong.
Spanky is simply trying to stigmatize and blame all homosexuals for the acts of a few. It’s as reprehensible when done to homosexuals as it would be if Spanky had done it to a group of people because of their race or ethnicity.
Aside from all this, it simply isn’t anyone else’s business who we choose to sleep with, so long as we are consenting adults acting on our free will. It would be laughable that some people spent so much time getting their collective panties in a bundle about gays if it didn’t result in the abuse, murder, imprisonment, and widespread discrimmination of so many innocent people.
Esr’a, I liked your comments but I admit I cringed a bit when you asked if that was something a just society would do. From my perspective, it’s like asking if a just society burns witches or denies women the right to vote. It fills me with sadness (and anger) that we even need to ask.
(That said, there’s a blog called “Dispatches from the Culture Wars” that often discusses gay rights, religion, politics, and science. He frequently blogs about cases such as this one from Egypt. He’s usually much stronger in his condemnation than you were here, but he usually makes very good, well-reasoned arguments about it. I’d encourage you to check it out.
And I don’t want to hijack the thread, but as an American and a former Catholic I am not offended by the existence of the Schism video. Note: I consciously decided not to watch it because scenes of violence greatly disturb me. And I’ve already seen Jesus Camp. I made the choice not to watch it, but even if I had and were subsequently offended, I would still support the author’s right to make it, my right to access and view it free of government obstruction, and your right to post it on your blog and discuss it, for whatever reason. That simply trumps any offense I or anyone else might have felt.)
We have to ask. Don’t you know that homosexuals have been suffering this injustice for decades without any leader really questioning himself where the justice is in this?
You can’t depend on other people to think and act like you. You have to ask why this is happening, and most people will put it this way: Islam said so and we have to carry it out (i.e, eliminating the sinners from society.)
You cannot convince these people otherwise without debating or understanding where they are coming from, so I am not going to sit here and preach justice, a word that different people define differently depending on their own biases. You have to consider how this makes other people feel, too. I wish if it were a matter of common sense, but in the Arab world it’s not, it’s politics.
Spanky, because those are excellent sources, right? The NARTH association is one that offers “therapy” to “cure” homosexuals. Of course they’d link them to every other disease in existence, or else their organization would have no point.
Says a lot of it is linked to drug injection and unprotected heterosexual act, too. I don’t see you campaigning against heterosexual and drug abuse.
More STDs (many of which are venereal) result from unprotected heterosexual acts. I don’t see you getting all whiny about those, too.
Spanky, I am going to go have an in depth debate with a grass field. I hear it has better sense than you.
From your own source.
HIV/AIDS is on the because of heterosexual activities. Shall we start purging all those who have sex?
So the reason is unprotected sex? OMG I CAN READ… are you illiterate also?
You should have really read your own source… they really have no correlation with anything you are saying except they support my own argument, thanks for providing the sources to support my argument… idiot.
wow!!!!
you think i have nothing against heroin addiction and pre-martial sex!!!
whose logic is crumbling now!?
well, here is my answer, i think they are “haram” as much as sodomy!
and FYI, the chance of getting HIV from a normal unprotected sex is extremely low. and this is not the case with sodomy because sodomy is extremely a dirty act, either it is done with a man or a woman.
You’re a hypocrite, then. Your words:
More of your hypocrisies here.
So then maybe we should lock you in a cage and have others fling you with rocks, if it’s indeed “haram” and if you agree that you should be punished for it. Just like homosexuality, eh?
All the things you do makes you as much of a sinner as a homosexual, and is probably more harmful. STDs? Possible. Doing dangerous things under the influence of drugs and alcohol? Possible. You’re not one to complain about homosexuality then if you’re just as big of a threat to society and to Islam.
very interesting Jina
so unprotected sodomy is the only problem?
what if the Aussie father and his daughter had protected sex by the way?
for the sake of whatever you guys do believe in, stop insulting our intelligence by calling yourselves Muslims….sorry but this has to be said
Says the “Muslim” guy who admits to doing hashish, drinking alcohol, and having premarital sex.
You’re a one-man show, Spanky. You make us all laugh. Kudos.
Apples and oranges and if they are consulting adults, why not? Mind your own fucking business.
@ Esra’a:
The passage I gave is only the introduction to a longer explanation. I copied it here to show that there isn’t just one theory about why people are homosexual.
And then I have to say you’re unfair towards Spanky. You wrote:
That’s just what so many ignorant people told you before: “I don’t see you campaigning for / against xy.” And you always told them to look at what you do and not at what you don’t. It’s just, don’t forget your ideals about some damn homophobic idiot who tries to let you lose your mind.
Dear Simon,
I dont wanna go through science, but as I’ve studied, its all determined when you born.
yes, genetic is when zygote formes, and hormones affect the brain at fetus stage and uterus is its environment! yes thats right! I did study at the university a little on this topic and I think I should go more through it!
But as I’ve learned I know it is detemined when you born! Your fetal stages affect your brain through hormones and they fix your sexual orientations. It means some boys are girl-minded guys and some girls are boy-minded. And it happens when you are in the uterus.
I’ll check this topic more!
(I misspelled your name in my last post, my apologies.)
I know you have to ask, and I’m glad you are. I wasn’t criticizing you for asking. I was just expressing my own feelings of disdain that we need to ask whether murdering people for no rational reason is ok or not. Anyway, I think what you are doing is shining a light on it, and I’m nevertheless glad for that.
And of course I know that gays have been suffering. That, unfortunately, is not unique to the Arab world.
As far as justice goes, why not preach it? Even if we can’t decide on a definition for justice, we certainly can recognize injustice when we see it. You’ve pointed it out, and in doing so have preached for justice. So like it or not, too late- you already did
And also environment is very important. Humans and animals show homosexuality when they are in shortage! of opposite sex!
Yes it has been proved, not only in humans but also in other animals, such as mammals and reptiles! I cant remember homosexuality to be in birds, but I’ll check it out too!
Its not a rare thing; it happens here and there in animals. But some scientists with religion backgrounds deny homosexuality to be in other animals! I know one of these professors! He thinks it is against God’s law! But fortunately, it has been proved!
I wish I could. It bothers me so much that not enough people are. In many ways I am a coward. I see gay people harassed in front of my eyes where I’m from, being treated like criminals, and all I do is shut my eyes and deny that I was there. I fear for my credibility, my life, my family’s perception of me, etc, if I were to start campaigning actively for their rights. And here on Mideast Youth, we campaign for everyone – from Kurds to Baha’is to migrant workers, but too many authors here are discouraged and hesitant to be involved in a network that preaches homosexual rights. It makes me sad and angry, I hate feeling this useless. But I’m really going to start putting a campaign for this together as soon as I get a chance.
With constant reports that homosexuals are being hanged, imprisoned, frequently mocked… it’s about time we get off our asses. Someone has to say “enough,” and that someone is going to get a lot of bullshit, perhaps get themselves killed too. For this reason so many of us don’t go beyond blogging about this. It’s about time we do, though. If we don’t, I’m not sure who will.
I mean by Shortage of opposite sex, Lack of opposite sex! dont be confused
Simon,
But here, that’s not the point. I am trying to point out Spanky’s hypocrisies. It’s like if 2 people committed murder, a black and a white guy, and you only campaign against the black guy who committed murder, then that would be racism. Spanky is being homophobic by applying Islamic law only to homosexuals and not to sinners like himself who commit other “crimes” in Islam such as drinking, premarital sex, et al. If he doesn’t think his own acts are punishable, he has no reason to go and preach punishment against homosexuals, if he himself is committing worse mistakes which are forbidden and intolerable in Islam. He doesn’t even anger me, it just shows you how hypocritical so many Muslims are in passing these judgments.
And also Simon,
It continues in Wikipedia that:
The degree to which sexual orientation is determined by genetic or other prenatal factors plays a role in political and social debates about homosexuality, and also raises fears about genetic profiling and prenatal testing.
Its basic effects are in prenatal (before birth) stage. Then you born with detemined sexual orientation as gay or lesbian. But as I said, in the lack of opposite sex, organisms show homosexuality, because thats a pressure for them. For example in wars at the camps it is well known that homosexuality is more probable. Not probable but is!
Fortunately, wikipedia confirms me
as I passed my physiology course with high degree at the university 
@ Esra’a:
I know what you mean and I understand it, but I think that doesn’t apply to the passage I quoted. And I can’t believe you Spanky didn’t anger you – maybe you wouldn’t describe it as anger, but in discussions like this one you’re becoming a little harsh. It’s not that he didn’t get what he deserves, but I think I like your style better when you’re cool
@ Lord Kavi:
I’m not into medicine or psychology, but still I think it’s not only a pre-natal thing. But I’ll keep my mouth shut on this topic, I know barely anything about it and it would be a crime to spread as facts what I only can say I believe to know.
Yes it does. You’re claiming that I’m being “unfair,” and you do this by comparing 2 things that are very different, misunderstanding my entire argument to Spanky.
I wrote:
Thereby outlining his hypocrisies. If he is actively against homosexuals, justifying abuse against them and claiming they are “immoral,” then why does he get away with doing drugs and having premarital sex, which are also forbidden in Islam? And if they are key players in AIDS as well, then why does he only target homosexuals? It has nothing to do with “focusing on what he does, and not on what he doesn’t,” he is not a campaigner. This discussions is unrelated to any kind of positive activism from his side. This is hatred, he is drawing his conclusions because of his personal dislike for homosexuals, he is not contributing anything worthwhile either to this argument with such a homophobic attitude nor to society in general when this kind of injustice is being justified and dismissed as a necessity.
It is incomparable to when someone addresses a similar question to an activist. When people ask me, “why do you campaign for migrant rights, and not for this or that rights,” of course I will claim not to have enough time to target every abuse in the world. In what way is this incorrect? You didn’t understand the comparison. Spanky is trying to get away with systematic aggression against a harmless minority, failing to see his own mistakes which are considerably worse. I asked him that not to ask him to do “more” than he can, but to open his eyes to what he is blind to, his own idiocy.
Well, excuse me if homophobia and outright hypocrisy disgusts me. Of course I will be a little harsh. Spanky does nothing but repeat the same insipid insults/arguments throughout these sorts of threads and I see no reason why such behavior should be tolerated. Innocent people are dying and here we have people laughably dismissing this kind of abuse as something that is necessary to preserve Islam and/or health. Hilarious from someone doing drugs and having premarital sex. I still stand by what I said: if you are going to campaign against homosexuality on the premise that it causes too much “AIDS,” you should involve the other factors leading to this disease too if you want to remain factually correct, and if you truly care about what is causing this disease. So to me, your comparison doesn’t make any sense.
I personally agree wholeheartedly with Lord Kavi and this is precisely why homosexuals are deserving of basic rights. Many of them simply can’t change who they are. You don’t wake up in the morning and “decide” you are attracted to a particular sex. It’s something many people develop at a young age. No one deserves to die for this.
A lot of people are putting a lot of emphasis on whether homosexuality is genetic. I’m not sure that’s the point. Suppose someone has a genetic predisposition to commit murder. Would that exonerate him? Probably not. Therefore, even if homosexuality is genetic, it would not excuse the behavior to say it was genetic, if we were to come to the conclusion that such behavior was morally wrong. And personally I believe that homosexuals should be treated with respect, and should not be harassed.
But the problem here is not the morality of homosexuality. The issue is: How should a society handle behavior that it does not condone? And a problem in Islam is that such behavior it handled with a brutality that is not in keeping with modern sensibilities.
All religions contain scripture with loony passages. In Judaism, for example, in the book of Deuteronomy it says that if a man marries a woman, and she turns out not to be a virin, he is to kill her on her father’s doorstep. Do you see an Jews behaving this way? Their mother-in-laws would kill them.
And in Christianity the Book of Revelation is a real trip.
So if people are going to be reasonable, there will be times when they have to distance themselves from certain commandments, even if they are contained in scripture. How do you do that? You judge what is written down by principles that may not be written down, but which are even more important than the scripture itself- by principles of common sense.
To a great extent, Islam has not as yet done this. The change in the Islamic world must begin with a critical appraisal of ideology, in favor of what makes sense to the modern mind. That does not mean betraying the religion. On the contrary, by updating a few notions, you actually pay tribute to the religion, by making it more relevant to current realities, and by allowing the religion to play a greater role in promoting the general welfare of believers.
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Simon,
No, its not completely prenatal, as I did say, in some situations (lack of opposite sex for along period) it appears in some people, but not all. But some people are more probable than the others in these situations. And I still believe its because of their prenatal experiments as they show some kind of homosexuality.
But what we call homosexual and refer this word to some people, has been said scientifically to be determined when you born. The guy who we call a gay (not having some sessions of homosexuality in some special periods and passages of life, but a lifetime desire for the same sex) are determined in prenatal. Thats what science has found till these days.
You can also check those wikipedia pages on this topic and would understand how it is determined prenataly. Also in environmental (non-biological explanations) effects on homosexuality, there are alot of cues of genetics and prenatals. You cant explain homosexuality without prenatal effects.
Then, I believe we should make people aware. You know in Iran clergy allowed people who think that they have not the right sex to change their sex! Its allowed and happens in Iran now.
I agree wholeheardtly with Nissim. Everyone places a “hierarchy” on principles they learn in religion, hopefully emphasizing the principles of tolerance, peace, ect…..and it seems that Islam hasn’t yet gone through this kind of enlightenment.
Note that I said Islam – not Muslims. I think what everyone here at MEY is doing is the very beginings of a movement that could change that.
Esra’a, I read your reply to my post and spent a good deal of time thinking about it. I still don’t have a good response, because I don’t want to tell people that their religion is “wrong.” That just digresses into an ‘I’m right and you are wrong’ theological debate that is pointless and will go nowehere. I have no interest in engaging in such a discussion.
However (I really, really hate to say this) but yes – I do think that Islam is wrong when it comes to always mixing religion and politics. This, to me, isn’t even a point about religion – it’s a point about a political philosphy. One works in a democratic society, one doesn’t. Democratic societies are traditionally more respective of human rights than non-democratic societies (not that they are by any means perfect of course). But, as you’ve pointed out, the two cannot be separated for many Muslims.
This saddens me greatly…..but as you asked, what can change? I don’t know….I really don’t know….but something has to….
It’s not the system, blaming that won’t get us anywhere anytime soon. It’s the mentality that comes with it. If people realized how wrong and unjust it was, they would help change it, but people dismiss it and allow for this kind of thing to happen in our societies. You see many religious elements within our governments too, including the US of A, where religious justification is used for things like the “war on terror” or even gay marriage. It’s not religion and its coupling with politics. It’s society and their mentality and their collective aggression against harmless minorities.
I think it’s both.
Electing religious leaders as politicans is one thing, having a religion as part of the state is another.
George Bush started that stupid war and JUSTIFIED it w/ religious reasons. However, even if he was atheist he could have started a war – the President of the US has that power according to our constitution. As for the gay marriage issue, see my 1st post – that’s a different type of right. Something that infringes on someone else is considered “worse” than something that doesn’t actually hurt someone.
Having a religious state is where you get into things like police have the power to arrest gays. This would never hold up in a court of law in the US, in fact, the policemen would be the ones punished for discrimination.
If homosexuality is biological, and homosexuals cannot help being homosexual, then why does Allah forbid it? Why does he impose something haram on his creations?
I hope you can answer.
Thanks.
Homosexuality should not be punishable by law. I don’t like homosexuality but I think the Egyptian courts and the police should chase petty thieves rather than homosexuals. Homosexuals might be easier to catch but they are not really committing a crime. Homosexuals are not a nuisance of other people.So they can easily be fined for public display of homosexuality if they are too “enthusiastic” about their homosexuality, but that does not deserve jail terms.
I don’t think homosexuality is a crime, but it is a sin. People should not be punished for his/her sexual preference, but it doesn’t mean that it is right. Either you beleive in science or religion, it is a matter of choice. There is no such thing as a “GAY GENE” or “STRAIGHT GENE”. Although sceincetist have tried and still trying to find a gene for it…it does not exist. IF it did exist…what’s next? “BI-sexual Gene?” “BEASTIALITY GENE?” hmmm…think about it….The whole purpose that GOD created men and women is to reproduce…it says the say thing in every holy book…Bible, Torah, Quaran..it is all the same. GOD gave us power and ability of choice in everything we do. Humans are not born with instincts like the animals, we are born with the ability to choose. What about VEGANS? Do they choose to be or they are just born that way? People are highly influenced by their society and what is exposed to them.
After reading GoGo’s reply, I am going to shoot myself… kthx bi!!!