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		<title>By: Tamara (Syria, UAE &#38; UK)</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/04/19/cultural-relativism-neo-cons-and-the-post-modern-left/#comment-19138</link>
		<dc:creator>Tamara (Syria, UAE &#38; UK)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patb,

You are a sarcastic ignorant twit that is unwilling and possibly even unable to accept and understand certain things. This may be against the policies of this website... but you are a waste of time and text.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patb,</p>
<p>You are a sarcastic ignorant twit that is unwilling and possibly even unable to accept and understand certain things. This may be against the policies of this website&#8230; but you are a waste of time and text.</p>
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		<title>By: RandallJones</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/04/19/cultural-relativism-neo-cons-and-the-post-modern-left/#comment-19137</link>
		<dc:creator>RandallJones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 07:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Elephant&lt;/strong&gt;,

Considering the death and destruction the U.S. has caused, I don&#039;t think Iraqis will accept willingly and happily whatever the Americans demand.

The United States&#039; main reason for invading Iraq was not to install a democratic government. It was to control the oil wealth of the county.  Before the second invasion of Iraq, Saddam Hussein had converted from using the US dollar to the euro. So the U.S. doesn&#039;t care what type of government is in place, as long as it does the United States&#039; bidding.


&lt;strong&gt;path&lt;/strong&gt; wrote, &lt;em&gt;“No one helped Saddam to power, he murdered his way to the top by himself and the Baath party.&lt;/em&gt;

The Untied States did help Saddam Hussein into power.  See http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/51/217.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Elephant</strong>,</p>
<p>Considering the death and destruction the U.S. has caused, I don&#8217;t think Iraqis will accept willingly and happily whatever the Americans demand.</p>
<p>The United States&#8217; main reason for invading Iraq was not to install a democratic government. It was to control the oil wealth of the county.  Before the second invasion of Iraq, Saddam Hussein had converted from using the US dollar to the euro. So the U.S. doesn&#8217;t care what type of government is in place, as long as it does the United States&#8217; bidding.</p>
<p><strong>path</strong> wrote, <em>“No one helped Saddam to power, he murdered his way to the top by himself and the Baath party.</em></p>
<p>The Untied States did help Saddam Hussein into power.  See <a href="http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/51/217.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/51/217.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Elephant</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/04/19/cultural-relativism-neo-cons-and-the-post-modern-left/#comment-19136</link>
		<dc:creator>Elephant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The United States didn’t hesitate to control the elections...&quot; You are right, but does that mean you think the US should have demanded a secular Constitution? Do you think it would have been possible?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The United States didn’t hesitate to control the elections&#8230;&#8221; You are right, but does that mean you think the US should have demanded a secular Constitution? Do you think it would have been possible?</p>
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		<title>By: patb</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/04/19/cultural-relativism-neo-cons-and-the-post-modern-left/#comment-19135</link>
		<dc:creator>patb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tamara,
&quot;The enemy of my enemy is my friend&quot; Old saying and relates to Saddam.  Of course he was our &#039;friend&#039; as a balance against post Pahlavi Iran.
The Muj were also an opportunity to proxy fight the Soviets, we didn&#039;t create them by any means.
America does have problems and issues, as do all nations, but is far from corrupt.
Maybe someday we can replicate the freedoms of Syria.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tamara,<br />
&#8220;The enemy of my enemy is my friend&#8221; Old saying and relates to Saddam.  Of course he was our &#8216;friend&#8217; as a balance against post Pahlavi Iran.<br />
The Muj were also an opportunity to proxy fight the Soviets, we didn&#8217;t create them by any means.<br />
America does have problems and issues, as do all nations, but is far from corrupt.<br />
Maybe someday we can replicate the freedoms of Syria.</p>
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		<title>By: RandallJones</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/04/19/cultural-relativism-neo-cons-and-the-post-modern-left/#comment-19134</link>
		<dc:creator>RandallJones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;path&lt;/strong&gt; wrote, &lt;em&gt;“So I guess the Shia/Sunni murder squads are really US agent Prov. in disquise.”&lt;/em&gt;

The United States and its allies have
#1) bombed the country and destroyed its infrastructure
#2) rounds up thousands of Iraqis and jails them without justification
#3) makes decisions when elections are to take place and whether the results are valid
#4) benefit more from reconstruction projects than the Iraqis
#5)can break into jails to release prisoners against the Iraqi&#039;s governments wishes. (Remember when two British men where caught disguised as Arabs carrying explosives and weapons in their car? Their fellow British soldiers broke into the jail they were in and helped them to escape) see http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&amp;code=2005101

&lt;strong&gt;If the same thing was done to the United States, by a foreign power, there would be race wars and religious wars where no man, women or child would be safe.&lt;/strong&gt;

The United States is responsible for much of the death and destruction in Iraq.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>path</strong> wrote, <em>“So I guess the Shia/Sunni murder squads are really US agent Prov. in disquise.”</em></p>
<p>The United States and its allies have<br />
#1) bombed the country and destroyed its infrastructure<br />
#2) rounds up thousands of Iraqis and jails them without justification<br />
#3) makes decisions when elections are to take place and whether the results are valid<br />
#4) benefit more from reconstruction projects than the Iraqis<br />
#5)can break into jails to release prisoners against the Iraqi&#8217;s governments wishes. (Remember when two British men where caught disguised as Arabs carrying explosives and weapons in their car? Their fellow British soldiers broke into the jail they were in and helped them to escape) see <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&#038;code=2005101" rel="nofollow">http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&#038;code=2005101</a></p>
<p><strong>If the same thing was done to the United States, by a foreign power, there would be race wars and religious wars where no man, women or child would be safe.</strong></p>
<p>The United States is responsible for much of the death and destruction in Iraq.</p>
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		<title>By: RandallJones</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/04/19/cultural-relativism-neo-cons-and-the-post-modern-left/#comment-19133</link>
		<dc:creator>RandallJones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 19:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Elephant&lt;/strong&gt; wrote, &lt;em&gt;“patb lists some good reasons why the Islamization of the Constitution was a practical necessity. I’m thinking of what might have happened if the US had tried to force a secular Constitution on Iraq, whether they liked it or not. Ain’t pretty.”&lt;/em&gt;

The United States didn’t hesitate to control the elections, how the reconstructions contracts are distributed, how the oil wealth is distributed and and built a U.S. embassy in Iraq the size of 80 football fields. And yeah it ain’t pretty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Elephant</strong> wrote, <em>“patb lists some good reasons why the Islamization of the Constitution was a practical necessity. I’m thinking of what might have happened if the US had tried to force a secular Constitution on Iraq, whether they liked it or not. Ain’t pretty.”</em></p>
<p>The United States didn’t hesitate to control the elections, how the reconstructions contracts are distributed, how the oil wealth is distributed and and built a U.S. embassy in Iraq the size of 80 football fields. And yeah it ain’t pretty.</p>
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		<title>By: Tamara (Syria, UAE &#38; UK)</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/04/19/cultural-relativism-neo-cons-and-the-post-modern-left/#comment-19132</link>
		<dc:creator>Tamara (Syria, UAE &#38; UK)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 14:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patb,

You really are ignorant of our history. Please do more research before making such sweeping false statements. Saddam was America&#039;s friend, and the &#039;Muj&#039; as you call them were all but a creation of America to fight the Soviet Union. And the CIA has and continues to be a significant player in the construction of war and the destruction of who they see fit. Just because you dont want to acknowledge the corruptness of America does not mean you can dismiss it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patb,</p>
<p>You really are ignorant of our history. Please do more research before making such sweeping false statements. Saddam was America&#8217;s friend, and the &#8216;Muj&#8217; as you call them were all but a creation of America to fight the Soviet Union. And the CIA has and continues to be a significant player in the construction of war and the destruction of who they see fit. Just because you dont want to acknowledge the corruptness of America does not mean you can dismiss it.</p>
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		<title>By: Elephant</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/04/19/cultural-relativism-neo-cons-and-the-post-modern-left/#comment-19131</link>
		<dc:creator>Elephant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 08:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>patb lists some good reasons why the Islamization of the Constitution was a practical necessity. I&#039;m thinking of what might have happened if the US had tried to force a secular Constitution on Iraq, whether they liked it or not. Ain&#039;t pretty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>patb lists some good reasons why the Islamization of the Constitution was a practical necessity. I&#8217;m thinking of what might have happened if the US had tried to force a secular Constitution on Iraq, whether they liked it or not. Ain&#8217;t pretty.</p>
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		<title>By: patb</title>
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		<dc:creator>patb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 02:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randal,
Interesting comment but that&#039;s not what the thread is really about.  Iraq/Astan wrote the Islamic elements into their constitutions by themselves.  Their choice.
&quot;How does bombing a country’s infrastructure, using depleted uranium and chemical weapons and using agent provocateurs to fuel civil war help to improve human rights in a country?&quot;
So I guess the Shia/Sunni murder squads are really US agent Prov. in disquise.  I really think Mooky is from Detroit.  The Kurd issue was invented by a low level CIA guy for fun and none of these simmering problems existed prior to US intervention.
No one helped Saddam to power, he murdered his way to the top by himself and the Baath party.
We did give him assistance while he fought the Iranians, smart move, I&#039;d do it again.  Nothing better than having two potential enemies fight it out.
That&#039;s why we assisted the Muj when they fought the USSR, same concept.  It&#039;s called proxy warefare and worked well in both instances.  It&#039;s been going on for thousands of years and you are shocked, just shocked at the instance.
The chem weapon stuff is bullshit and you know it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randal,<br />
Interesting comment but that&#8217;s not what the thread is really about.  Iraq/Astan wrote the Islamic elements into their constitutions by themselves.  Their choice.<br />
&#8220;How does bombing a country’s infrastructure, using depleted uranium and chemical weapons and using agent provocateurs to fuel civil war help to improve human rights in a country?&#8221;<br />
So I guess the Shia/Sunni murder squads are really US agent Prov. in disquise.  I really think Mooky is from Detroit.  The Kurd issue was invented by a low level CIA guy for fun and none of these simmering problems existed prior to US intervention.<br />
No one helped Saddam to power, he murdered his way to the top by himself and the Baath party.<br />
We did give him assistance while he fought the Iranians, smart move, I&#8217;d do it again.  Nothing better than having two potential enemies fight it out.<br />
That&#8217;s why we assisted the Muj when they fought the USSR, same concept.  It&#8217;s called proxy warefare and worked well in both instances.  It&#8217;s been going on for thousands of years and you are shocked, just shocked at the instance.<br />
The chem weapon stuff is bullshit and you know it.</p>
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		<title>By: RandallJones</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/04/19/cultural-relativism-neo-cons-and-the-post-modern-left/#comment-19129</link>
		<dc:creator>RandallJones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 22:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drima,

SO now you are starting to catch on to what&#039;s happening between the Muslim World and the West.  How many times have I talked about how while the certain Western countries preach human rights and democracy,they engages in regime change (even democratically elected ones )and support brutal dictators and kings who do their bidding. Actually, this is not only done in the Muslim world, it is also done in the non-Muslim parts of Africa, Asia, and South America.

How many times have I posted not only on this website and many other websites this quote from the article &quot;Today&#039;s &#039;Islamic Fascists&#039; Were Yesterday&#039;s Friends&quot; at http://www.antiwar.com/orig/oneill.php?articleid=9615 ?

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;...there is a deep and bitter irony in the West&#039;s current claims to be standing up to evil religious sects in the name of universal values. It was precisely the West&#039;s earlier disregard for secularism and democracy in the Middle East, its elevation of its own powerful interests over the needs and desires of local populations, which helped to give rise to a layer of apparently &quot;evil&quot; radical Islamism. What we have today is not a World War between a principled West and psychotic groups from &quot;over there,&quot; but rather the messy residue of decades of Western meddling in the Middle East.

Duplicitous Western support for Islamist movements has a long and dishonorable history. In the early and middle 20th century, both British and U.S. intelligence supported the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, the group from which so many of today&#039;s radical Islamic sects – including Hamas and even al-Qaeda – have sprung. Indeed, in the 1920s, the British, then the colonial rulers of Egypt, helped to set up the Muslim Brotherhood as a means of keeping Egyptian nationalism and anti-colonialism in check. The immediate precursor to the Muslim Brotherhood was an organization called the Society of Propaganda and Guidance, which was funded and backed by British colonialists. In return, the Society provided Islamist backing to British rule in Egypt. It published a journal called The Lighthouse, which attacked Egyptian nationalists – who wanted British forces out of Egypt – as &quot;atheists and infidels.&quot; Under British patronage, the Society set up the Institute of Propaganda and Guidance, which brought Islamists from across the Muslim world to Egypt so they could be trained in political agitation, and then take such anti-anti-colonialism back to their own homelands.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You finally caught on.

But why does Irshad Maji blame what&#039;s going on in Iraq on the left? They were against the invasion of Iraq? People on the left are not for sharia.

There is a ridiculous statement on Irshad Manji&#039;s blog she writes,
&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;What a damning indictment of my own belief that overthrowing Saddam Hussein would lead to a better human rights scene in Iraq.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Is Manji not aware that the United States had helped Saddam Hussein into power and supported him, strategically and financially, when he was committing his worst atrocities?

How does bombing a country&#039;s infrastructure, using depleted uranium and chemical weapons and using agent provocateurs to fuel civil war help to improve human rights in a country?  IF the same thing was done to the United States, Israel, or any European coutnry the same decline in human rights would occur.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drima,</p>
<p>SO now you are starting to catch on to what&#8217;s happening between the Muslim World and the West.  How many times have I talked about how while the certain Western countries preach human rights and democracy,they engages in regime change (even democratically elected ones )and support brutal dictators and kings who do their bidding. Actually, this is not only done in the Muslim world, it is also done in the non-Muslim parts of Africa, Asia, and South America.</p>
<p>How many times have I posted not only on this website and many other websites this quote from the article &#8220;Today&#8217;s &#8216;Islamic Fascists&#8217; Were Yesterday&#8217;s Friends&#8221; at <a href="http://www.antiwar.com/orig/oneill.php?articleid=9615" rel="nofollow">http://www.antiwar.com/orig/oneill.php?articleid=9615</a> ?</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;&#8230;there is a deep and bitter irony in the West&#8217;s current claims to be standing up to evil religious sects in the name of universal values. It was precisely the West&#8217;s earlier disregard for secularism and democracy in the Middle East, its elevation of its own powerful interests over the needs and desires of local populations, which helped to give rise to a layer of apparently &#8220;evil&#8221; radical Islamism. What we have today is not a World War between a principled West and psychotic groups from &#8220;over there,&#8221; but rather the messy residue of decades of Western meddling in the Middle East.</p>
<p>Duplicitous Western support for Islamist movements has a long and dishonorable history. In the early and middle 20th century, both British and U.S. intelligence supported the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, the group from which so many of today&#8217;s radical Islamic sects – including Hamas and even al-Qaeda – have sprung. Indeed, in the 1920s, the British, then the colonial rulers of Egypt, helped to set up the Muslim Brotherhood as a means of keeping Egyptian nationalism and anti-colonialism in check. The immediate precursor to the Muslim Brotherhood was an organization called the Society of Propaganda and Guidance, which was funded and backed by British colonialists. In return, the Society provided Islamist backing to British rule in Egypt. It published a journal called The Lighthouse, which attacked Egyptian nationalists – who wanted British forces out of Egypt – as &#8220;atheists and infidels.&#8221; Under British patronage, the Society set up the Institute of Propaganda and Guidance, which brought Islamists from across the Muslim world to Egypt so they could be trained in political agitation, and then take such anti-anti-colonialism back to their own homelands.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>You finally caught on.</p>
<p>But why does Irshad Maji blame what&#8217;s going on in Iraq on the left? They were against the invasion of Iraq? People on the left are not for sharia.</p>
<p>There is a ridiculous statement on Irshad Manji&#8217;s blog she writes,</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;What a damning indictment of my own belief that overthrowing Saddam Hussein would lead to a better human rights scene in Iraq.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Is Manji not aware that the United States had helped Saddam Hussein into power and supported him, strategically and financially, when he was committing his worst atrocities?</p>
<p>How does bombing a country&#8217;s infrastructure, using depleted uranium and chemical weapons and using agent provocateurs to fuel civil war help to improve human rights in a country?  IF the same thing was done to the United States, Israel, or any European coutnry the same decline in human rights would occur.</p>
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