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> <channel><title>Comments on: Engaging The Muslim Brotherhood</title> <atom:link href="http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/04/20/engaging-the-muslim-brotherhood/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/04/20/engaging-the-muslim-brotherhood/</link> <description>Promoting a fierce but respectful dialogue among the highly diverse youth of the Middle East</description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 12:01:45 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Nissim Dahan</title><link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/04/20/engaging-the-muslim-brotherhood/#comment-138290</link> <dc:creator>Nissim Dahan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:14:20 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/04/20/engaging-the-muslim-brotherhood/#comment-138290</guid> <description>Thanks Tonto. I think it might must work. Now all we need are some investors who are willing to take somewhat of a gamble on peace. Keep a lookout for a few open-minded Saudis. If our sales pitch is good enough, who knows, they might just buy in. Stanger things have happened.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Tonto. I think it might must work. Now all we need are some investors who are willing to take somewhat of a gamble on peace. Keep a lookout for a few open-minded Saudis. If our sales pitch is good enough, who knows, they might just buy in. Stanger things have happened.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Tonto (USA)</title><link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/04/20/engaging-the-muslim-brotherhood/#comment-138133</link> <dc:creator>Tonto (USA)</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 03:57:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/04/20/engaging-the-muslim-brotherhood/#comment-138133</guid> <description>Nissim, excellent attitude! I really like your game plan for hope. Yep, head &#039;em off at the pass!  I really like it!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nissim, excellent attitude! I really like your game plan for hope. Yep, head &#8216;em off at the pass!  I really like it!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Nissim Dahan</title><link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/04/20/engaging-the-muslim-brotherhood/#comment-137450</link> <dc:creator>Nissim Dahan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 21:15:43 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/04/20/engaging-the-muslim-brotherhood/#comment-137450</guid> <description>Jessica, as you point out, we pretend not to talk to the Brotherhood, but we end up doing it anyways, because many of their members are members of Parliament. So instead of being so surreptitious about it, why not be straight forward and talk directly to these people?The same goes for Hamas. No one wants to talk to Hamas, but everybody agrees that Hamas is part of the equation.This idea of not talking to people we don&#039;t like is not working too well for the Bush administration. It is not a wise policy.If you talk to these people, you may pursuade some of them of go your way. Or you might be able to get them to debate one another. Maybe internal divisions will surface that you could take advantage of. But even without that, your willingness to talk to them, could have a positive effect on those on the outside who are watching and listening.A moderate who witnesses and hears the conversation between you and the extremists could conclude that you have a better argument, and may lean in your direction especially if you&#039;re willing to back up your words with investment money on the table.Hell, I&#039;d even talk to al Qaeda itself if I could be relatively assured of not having my head served on a plate.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jessica, as you point out, we pretend not to talk to the Brotherhood, but we end up doing it anyways, because many of their members are members of Parliament. So instead of being so surreptitious about it, why not be straight forward and talk directly to these people?</p><p>The same goes for Hamas. No one wants to talk to Hamas, but everybody agrees that Hamas is part of the equation.</p><p>This idea of not talking to people we don&#8217;t like is not working too well for the Bush administration. It is not a wise policy.</p><p>If you talk to these people, you may pursuade some of them of go your way. Or you might be able to get them to debate one another. Maybe internal divisions will surface that you could take advantage of. But even without that, your willingness to talk to them, could have a positive effect on those on the outside who are watching and listening.</p><p>A moderate who witnesses and hears the conversation between you and the extremists could conclude that you have a better argument, and may lean in your direction especially if you&#8217;re willing to back up your words with investment money on the table.</p><p>Hell, I&#8217;d even talk to al Qaeda itself if I could be relatively assured of not having my head served on a plate.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Karim</title><link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/04/20/engaging-the-muslim-brotherhood/#comment-137443</link> <dc:creator>Karim</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:15:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/04/20/engaging-the-muslim-brotherhood/#comment-137443</guid> <description>Nissim,I agree with your comment completly.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nissim,</p><p>I agree with your comment completly.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jessica M. (USA)</title><link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/04/20/engaging-the-muslim-brotherhood/#comment-137433</link> <dc:creator>Jessica M. (USA)</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:26:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/04/20/engaging-the-muslim-brotherhood/#comment-137433</guid> <description>Dialogue with the MB won&#039;t reach the 77%.  Everything Nissim suggested can be done without talking to the MB.  In fact, the economic aid money that goes to Egypt from the US is supposed to help do exactly that.On another note, my concern w/ dialogue w/ opposition groups is that some &quot;opposition groups&quot; are terrorist groups.  I do not believe that the MBs are a terrorist orgazation, but the current US administration has classified them as such...until that classification changes, the dialogue should not happen, otherwise where would that end?  Which terrorist groups are OK to talk to, which ones aren&#039;t?  That&#039;s a slippery and dangerous slope.However, specifically with the MB in Egypt, US gov&#039;t officials have gotten around this because so many MBs are members of the Parliament.  So, US officials meet with Egyptian Parliament members, instead of the US meeting w/ members of the MB (even though it&#039;s the same thing).</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dialogue with the MB won&#8217;t reach the 77%.  Everything Nissim suggested can be done without talking to the MB.  In fact, the economic aid money that goes to Egypt from the US is supposed to help do exactly that.</p><p>On another note, my concern w/ dialogue w/ opposition groups is that some &#8220;opposition groups&#8221; are terrorist groups.  I do not believe that the MBs are a terrorist orgazation, but the current US administration has classified them as such&#8230;until that classification changes, the dialogue should not happen, otherwise where would that end?  Which terrorist groups are OK to talk to, which ones aren&#8217;t?  That&#8217;s a slippery and dangerous slope.</p><p>However, specifically with the MB in Egypt, US gov&#8217;t officials have gotten around this because so many MBs are members of the Parliament.  So, US officials meet with Egyptian Parliament members, instead of the US meeting w/ members of the MB (even though it&#8217;s the same thing).</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Nissim Dahan</title><link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/04/20/engaging-the-muslim-brotherhood/#comment-137420</link> <dc:creator>Nissim Dahan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:43:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/04/20/engaging-the-muslim-brotherhood/#comment-137420</guid> <description>Karim, I agree with you that talking to the Muslim Brotherhood is probably a good idea, even though Tonto is probably right that we&#039;re not going to get very far with them.However, just opening up a dialogue with them, and with all the opposition groups, is a step in the right direction. Dialogue opens up new possibilities, and creates its own reality.What is very important is to reach out to that 77% that you&#039;re talking about. We have to compete for their hearts and minds using an approach that is similar to what the Muslim Brotherhood uses:If the Brotherhood talks about an ideology of Jihad: We should talk about an Ideology of Common Sense.If the Brotherhood invests in charitable handouts; We should invest some serious dollars in jobs.If the Brotherhood sells a vision of hope for martyrdom, or paradise, or a cliphate; We should sell a Vision of Hope for Peace, Prosperity, and Freedom.At every turn we should cut the extremists off at the pass, and beat them at their own game. In this manner, we will be able to marginalize the extremists in the eyes of their own people. The extremists will not be able to capture the public&#039;s imagination, once people begin to imagine a better life for themselves.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karim, I agree with you that talking to the Muslim Brotherhood is probably a good idea, even though Tonto is probably right that we&#8217;re not going to get very far with them.</p><p>However, just opening up a dialogue with them, and with all the opposition groups, is a step in the right direction. Dialogue opens up new possibilities, and creates its own reality.</p><p>What is very important is to reach out to that 77% that you&#8217;re talking about. We have to compete for their hearts and minds using an approach that is similar to what the Muslim Brotherhood uses:</p><p>If the Brotherhood talks about an ideology of Jihad: We should talk about an Ideology of Common Sense.</p><p>If the Brotherhood invests in charitable handouts; We should invest some serious dollars in jobs.</p><p>If the Brotherhood sells a vision of hope for martyrdom, or paradise, or a cliphate; We should sell a Vision of Hope for Peace, Prosperity, and Freedom.</p><p>At every turn we should cut the extremists off at the pass, and beat them at their own game. In this manner, we will be able to marginalize the extremists in the eyes of their own people. The extremists will not be able to capture the public&#8217;s imagination, once people begin to imagine a better life for themselves.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Karim</title><link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/04/20/engaging-the-muslim-brotherhood/#comment-137294</link> <dc:creator>Karim</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 05:56:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/04/20/engaging-the-muslim-brotherhood/#comment-137294</guid> <description>Tonto,I&#039;d think so.  I&#039;m well aware of their history, and some of the most radical theologians have been part of the Brotherhood.  However, they&#039;ve been winning seats and have been functioning somewhat productively in parliament. The idea is to open up Egypt&#039;s political landscape, in which I think other parties could beat the Brotherhood in free and fair elections over time. This involves then talking to Egypt&#039;s opposition as a whole. What needs to be accepted is that the Brotherhood is part of that opposition. The new generation of the MB does not reflect its senior leadership I&#039;d say.With all these grey areas mentioned in the post, do you think it would be wise to ignore this group as it continues to rise in prominence?  Talking does not necessarily mean agreeing, however a frank dialogue with the West may go a long way to eradicate some of the suspicions present on both sides. Or it may not but I don&#039;t think it could hurt.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tonto,</p><p>I&#8217;d think so.  I&#8217;m well aware of their history, and some of the most radical theologians have been part of the Brotherhood.  However, they&#8217;ve been winning seats and have been functioning somewhat productively in parliament. The idea is to open up Egypt&#8217;s political landscape, in which I think other parties could beat the Brotherhood in free and fair elections over time. This involves then talking to Egypt&#8217;s opposition as a whole. What needs to be accepted is that the Brotherhood is part of that opposition. The new generation of the MB does not reflect its senior leadership I&#8217;d say.</p><p>With all these grey areas mentioned in the post, do you think it would be wise to ignore this group as it continues to rise in prominence?  Talking does not necessarily mean agreeing, however a frank dialogue with the West may go a long way to eradicate some of the suspicions present on both sides. Or it may not but I don&#8217;t think it could hurt.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Tonto (USA)</title><link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/04/20/engaging-the-muslim-brotherhood/#comment-137255</link> <dc:creator>Tonto (USA)</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 01:43:07 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/04/20/engaging-the-muslim-brotherhood/#comment-137255</guid> <description>Wow, sit down and talk to the MB? That would be like mental masterbation wouldn&#039;t it? From what I&#039;ve read of their history, their role model is Adolph Hitler.  One of his favorite tricks was to sit and talk until he was ready to strike. Then he kicked ass....can you say &quot;Blitzkreig&quot;? Other folk who have written discussions here have said that MB has gained much of it&#039;s support with a soft soap sell, but has plans to install a clerical dictatorship simular to Iran&#039;s. Do you really think discussion with these folks could really be productive....or just PHD (piled higher and deeper)?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, sit down and talk to the MB? That would be like mental masterbation wouldn&#8217;t it? From what I&#8217;ve read of their history, their role model is Adolph Hitler.  One of his favorite tricks was to sit and talk until he was ready to strike. Then he kicked ass&#8230;.can you say &#8220;Blitzkreig&#8221;? Other folk who have written discussions here have said that MB has gained much of it&#8217;s support with a soft soap sell, but has plans to install a clerical dictatorship simular to Iran&#8217;s. Do you really think discussion with these folks could really be productive&#8230;.or just PHD (piled higher and deeper)?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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