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		<title>By: Jina</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/05/22/talking-to-our-enemies-why-even-bother/#comment-19629</link>
		<dc:creator>Jina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 17:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>patb, I know ignorance is bliss, but come on. Berlin Wall was built to prevent those from east escaping to the west and the nukes were put in Cuba as a counter to nukes being deployed by the US in SU&#039;s border states. US&#039;s arrogance in deploying their nukes beside SU that brought the two superpowers to closer to war.

Feel free to ignore Iran, they will get their nukes and then you really can&#039;t do anything. Good luck with it.

A brilliant man ones said &quot;If you want to make peace, you don&#039;t talk to your friends. You talk to your enemies.&quot; Wonder when the pricks nowadays going to learn this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>patb, I know ignorance is bliss, but come on. Berlin Wall was built to prevent those from east escaping to the west and the nukes were put in Cuba as a counter to nukes being deployed by the US in SU&#8217;s border states. US&#8217;s arrogance in deploying their nukes beside SU that brought the two superpowers to closer to war.</p>
<p>Feel free to ignore Iran, they will get their nukes and then you really can&#8217;t do anything. Good luck with it.</p>
<p>A brilliant man ones said &#8220;If you want to make peace, you don&#8217;t talk to your friends. You talk to your enemies.&#8221; Wonder when the pricks nowadays going to learn this.</p>
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		<title>By: Nissim Dahan (Israel/USA)</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/05/22/talking-to-our-enemies-why-even-bother/#comment-19628</link>
		<dc:creator>Nissim Dahan (Israel/USA)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 15:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>War may be old fashioned, Elinor, but it&#039;s like fashion, always coming back in vogue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>War may be old fashioned, Elinor, but it&#8217;s like fashion, always coming back in vogue.</p>
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		<title>By: elinor(Iran)</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/05/22/talking-to-our-enemies-why-even-bother/#comment-19627</link>
		<dc:creator>elinor(Iran)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 00:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me likes not the war for sure, I don&#039;t think any one likes war really. it is very old fashioned. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me likes not the war for sure, I don&#8217;t think any one likes war really. it is very old fashioned. <img src='http://www.mideastyouth.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Nissim Dahan (Israel/USA)</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/05/22/talking-to-our-enemies-why-even-bother/#comment-19626</link>
		<dc:creator>Nissim Dahan (Israel/USA)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 14:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elinor, it is possible that human history is coming to some sort of ultimate conclusion. It is as if we are approaching a fork in the road. Decision time is right around the corner. Do we choose war, or do we choose peace?

There seems to be a pattern to human history. We&#039;ve been around as a species for some two million years. And for 99% of that time we helped each other out, and were able, against all odds, to survive yet another day.

Some 10,000 years ago we decided to get &quot;civilized,&quot; by establishing small towns and villages, and by growing our own food. Suddenly, instead of hunting and gathering, we could store food. And just as suddenly, arose the urge to kill and steal, so that we could easily take what wasn&#039;t ours. Ironically, with the advent of &quot;civilization,&quot; we stopped acting &quot;civil&quot; with one another.

For most of the last 2000 years, mostly everyone was pretty poor, except for a few royals here and there, and the population was pretty small.

In the last 200 years, with the advent of the Industrial Revolution, a great deal of wealth was created, particularly in the West, and the population shot way up, to over six billion today.

And finally, in the last 20 years, the phenomenon of globalization came about, in which the technology is now here to allow for a global economy, in which rich and poor nations can partner together to improve the lot of all people around the world, by giving them a place at the table, a stake in their future.

So the question arises: Which way will we go as a species? Will we in fact come together technologically, economically, and ideologically, to usher in an age of peace, prosperity, and freedom for all? Or will we instead allow our technology to be used for war, with the resulting death, destruction, and despair, that are part and parcel of the folly of war?

The answer is in our hands, and everything we know and love hangs in the balance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elinor, it is possible that human history is coming to some sort of ultimate conclusion. It is as if we are approaching a fork in the road. Decision time is right around the corner. Do we choose war, or do we choose peace?</p>
<p>There seems to be a pattern to human history. We&#8217;ve been around as a species for some two million years. And for 99% of that time we helped each other out, and were able, against all odds, to survive yet another day.</p>
<p>Some 10,000 years ago we decided to get &#8220;civilized,&#8221; by establishing small towns and villages, and by growing our own food. Suddenly, instead of hunting and gathering, we could store food. And just as suddenly, arose the urge to kill and steal, so that we could easily take what wasn&#8217;t ours. Ironically, with the advent of &#8220;civilization,&#8221; we stopped acting &#8220;civil&#8221; with one another.</p>
<p>For most of the last 2000 years, mostly everyone was pretty poor, except for a few royals here and there, and the population was pretty small.</p>
<p>In the last 200 years, with the advent of the Industrial Revolution, a great deal of wealth was created, particularly in the West, and the population shot way up, to over six billion today.</p>
<p>And finally, in the last 20 years, the phenomenon of globalization came about, in which the technology is now here to allow for a global economy, in which rich and poor nations can partner together to improve the lot of all people around the world, by giving them a place at the table, a stake in their future.</p>
<p>So the question arises: Which way will we go as a species? Will we in fact come together technologically, economically, and ideologically, to usher in an age of peace, prosperity, and freedom for all? Or will we instead allow our technology to be used for war, with the resulting death, destruction, and despair, that are part and parcel of the folly of war?</p>
<p>The answer is in our hands, and everything we know and love hangs in the balance.</p>
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		<title>By: elinor(Iran)</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/05/22/talking-to-our-enemies-why-even-bother/#comment-19625</link>
		<dc:creator>elinor(Iran)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 09:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nissim, I agree that the policy the authorities of iran have adopted toward the Palestinian cause is more destructive than instructive, and i believe if a country is for a people, the country should help those people solve their problem, not to make it more complicated. Well, Our authorities have yet to learn how to value and make use of the opinions of people of the country as well. it may take some more time... But finally there will be a peace deal in the region and the ones who contributed more to this constructive process will feel better when they are left alone with their own conscience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nissim, I agree that the policy the authorities of iran have adopted toward the Palestinian cause is more destructive than instructive, and i believe if a country is for a people, the country should help those people solve their problem, not to make it more complicated. Well, Our authorities have yet to learn how to value and make use of the opinions of people of the country as well. it may take some more time&#8230; But finally there will be a peace deal in the region and the ones who contributed more to this constructive process will feel better when they are left alone with their own conscience.</p>
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		<title>By: Nissim Dahan (Israel/USA)</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/05/22/talking-to-our-enemies-why-even-bother/#comment-19624</link>
		<dc:creator>Nissim Dahan (Israel/USA)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 01:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elinor, I truly believe that Iranians are good people. I believe that because most people on earth are good. Why? Because it makes more sense to be good than to be bad. Good just works better than bad for most people.

However, as good as people are, their leaders don&#039;t always have their best interests in mind. Many leaders are contantly balancing what is in their own personal best interest, and what is in the best interest of the people.

You bring up a good example. I don&#039;t for a second believe that the Iranian leadership cares even a little bit about the welfare of the Palestinian people. It they did, this problem would have been solved equitably long ago. Insead, no matter what they say, the Iranian leaders use the Palestinian issue to stir up passions at home and abroad. It&#039;s a handy cause to rally the troops. And if things begin to improve even slightly for Palestinians, there are leaders out there who will not hesitate to stir up trouble again, just so that they could once again have something to complain about, something which diverts attention away from problems back home, and which gives people someone to blame for their troubles.

This is a sad reality, but it is reality nontheless. Peace will come when the goodness of everyday people will be implanted in the hearts of leaders, who will truly become motivated to promote the welfare of their people, and of others around the world. The disconnect between goodhearted people and their leaders is a major obstacle to peace. Leaders around the world will have to learn how to get over themselves, and beyond their differences, in order to usher in an age of peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elinor, I truly believe that Iranians are good people. I believe that because most people on earth are good. Why? Because it makes more sense to be good than to be bad. Good just works better than bad for most people.</p>
<p>However, as good as people are, their leaders don&#8217;t always have their best interests in mind. Many leaders are contantly balancing what is in their own personal best interest, and what is in the best interest of the people.</p>
<p>You bring up a good example. I don&#8217;t for a second believe that the Iranian leadership cares even a little bit about the welfare of the Palestinian people. It they did, this problem would have been solved equitably long ago. Insead, no matter what they say, the Iranian leaders use the Palestinian issue to stir up passions at home and abroad. It&#8217;s a handy cause to rally the troops. And if things begin to improve even slightly for Palestinians, there are leaders out there who will not hesitate to stir up trouble again, just so that they could once again have something to complain about, something which diverts attention away from problems back home, and which gives people someone to blame for their troubles.</p>
<p>This is a sad reality, but it is reality nontheless. Peace will come when the goodness of everyday people will be implanted in the hearts of leaders, who will truly become motivated to promote the welfare of their people, and of others around the world. The disconnect between goodhearted people and their leaders is a major obstacle to peace. Leaders around the world will have to learn how to get over themselves, and beyond their differences, in order to usher in an age of peace.</p>
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		<title>By: patb</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/05/22/talking-to-our-enemies-why-even-bother/#comment-19623</link>
		<dc:creator>patb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 22:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nissam,
I think you are incorrect in that we have spoken to and communicated with Iran thru intermediaries.
What would a high level US rep say to Arminidinijad(sp) in the way of changing his attitude or ours?
He was invited to the US and spoke (rather stupidly) at a US university and it&#039;s pretty plain to see that he is not about to change his world views with a little friendly conversation.
He also knows our views...so what is to talk about?
Having a Pres visit with him would only substantially underwrite his position as a &#039;serious man&#039; of weight.  It could only benefit him and serve no purpose.
It would be like trying to talk to Hugo Chavez, or the three stooges.
Sometimes silence is talking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nissam,<br />
I think you are incorrect in that we have spoken to and communicated with Iran thru intermediaries.<br />
What would a high level US rep say to Arminidinijad(sp) in the way of changing his attitude or ours?<br />
He was invited to the US and spoke (rather stupidly) at a US university and it&#8217;s pretty plain to see that he is not about to change his world views with a little friendly conversation.<br />
He also knows our views&#8230;so what is to talk about?<br />
Having a Pres visit with him would only substantially underwrite his position as a &#8216;serious man&#8217; of weight.  It could only benefit him and serve no purpose.<br />
It would be like trying to talk to Hugo Chavez, or the three stooges.<br />
Sometimes silence is talking.</p>
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		<title>By: elinor(Iran)</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/05/22/talking-to-our-enemies-why-even-bother/#comment-19622</link>
		<dc:creator>elinor(Iran)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 22:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nissim :)
I know about the state of the two countries, but it is really unnecessary, the officials want to make our people believe that their position is exactly what Palestinians need to maintain a normal life, G-d knows that is the most annoying reasoning for what they want to make people believe, if countries like Iran had treid to have a reasonable reaction toward the cirsis in the Middle East, the peace process would have been  eased and maintained much sooner, the peace is innevitable, but G-d bless the countries who step in to help both people out of the crisi, i wish Iran was one of them. As talking of my people I say very firmly we are enemies of no one, you will realise that Nissim when you come to the home of any Iranian, you will see how they love people, they really, from any where.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nissim <img src='http://www.mideastyouth.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I know about the state of the two countries, but it is really unnecessary, the officials want to make our people believe that their position is exactly what Palestinians need to maintain a normal life, G-d knows that is the most annoying reasoning for what they want to make people believe, if countries like Iran had treid to have a reasonable reaction toward the cirsis in the Middle East, the peace process would have been  eased and maintained much sooner, the peace is innevitable, but G-d bless the countries who step in to help both people out of the crisi, i wish Iran was one of them. As talking of my people I say very firmly we are enemies of no one, you will realise that Nissim when you come to the home of any Iranian, you will see how they love people, they really, from any where.</p>
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		<title>By: Nissim Dahan (Israel/USA)</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/05/22/talking-to-our-enemies-why-even-bother/#comment-19621</link>
		<dc:creator>Nissim Dahan (Israel/USA)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 20:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>patb, there is a great measure of truth to what you say. If you meet an adversary, without any prepatory work, and without knowing what the hell you&#039;re going to talk about, then such talks will be an abject failure, and could cause your adversary to underestimate your resolve, and to take advantage strategically.

All that is true. But honestly, do you mean to tell me that for seven years there has been absolutely no opportunity to undertake some of the groundwork, and to meet some of the preconditions that you so rightly speak of?

Of course there was. But the reason we haven&#039;t been talking to Iran, on a Presidential level, at least, is not that we didn&#039;t have the opportunity to prepare adequately, but that we intentionally chose not to talk. In other words, the Bush administration, at least with respect to a specific set of adversaries, has come to conlusion that an unwillingness to talk gives them an advantage of sorts, perhaps keeps the enemy guessing, or shows to the world that we&#039;re somehow above speaking to people we don&#039;t care for.

And actually, there may be some logic in this type of approach. But on balance, I think it is misguided. So, go ahead and prepare. Go ahead and do some of the preliminary work with state department officials. But sooner than later, sit down with your enemy, and present your case focefully. Don&#039;t mince words. But show that you are willing to talk, and that you are willing to cut a deal, but that you will not be pushed around, and that you will not be taken advantage of. If you do this, your adversary will not likely take advantage, or draw the wrong conclusions, but you may end up benefiting from worldwide support, and from the support of the citizenry of your enemy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>patb, there is a great measure of truth to what you say. If you meet an adversary, without any prepatory work, and without knowing what the hell you&#8217;re going to talk about, then such talks will be an abject failure, and could cause your adversary to underestimate your resolve, and to take advantage strategically.</p>
<p>All that is true. But honestly, do you mean to tell me that for seven years there has been absolutely no opportunity to undertake some of the groundwork, and to meet some of the preconditions that you so rightly speak of?</p>
<p>Of course there was. But the reason we haven&#8217;t been talking to Iran, on a Presidential level, at least, is not that we didn&#8217;t have the opportunity to prepare adequately, but that we intentionally chose not to talk. In other words, the Bush administration, at least with respect to a specific set of adversaries, has come to conlusion that an unwillingness to talk gives them an advantage of sorts, perhaps keeps the enemy guessing, or shows to the world that we&#8217;re somehow above speaking to people we don&#8217;t care for.</p>
<p>And actually, there may be some logic in this type of approach. But on balance, I think it is misguided. So, go ahead and prepare. Go ahead and do some of the preliminary work with state department officials. But sooner than later, sit down with your enemy, and present your case focefully. Don&#8217;t mince words. But show that you are willing to talk, and that you are willing to cut a deal, but that you will not be pushed around, and that you will not be taken advantage of. If you do this, your adversary will not likely take advantage, or draw the wrong conclusions, but you may end up benefiting from worldwide support, and from the support of the citizenry of your enemy.</p>
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		<title>By: patb</title>
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		<dc:creator>patb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 18:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one is saying there should be no dialogue between the US and those politically diametrically opposed to the US.
What was said is that the President should not meet  antagonistic foreign leaders without precondition/groundwork that sets a framework for the talks.
One does not &#039;chew the fat&#039; with a potential enemy for fun.
When Pres. Kennedy met Kruschev without preparation/framework Kruschev used the scenario for propaganda and to shower the President with slogans etc.  Kruschev felt Kennedy to be weak and thereafter built the Berlin Wall and deployed nuclear missles to Cuba precipitating the Cuban Missle Crisis and the closest we&#039;ve come to a nuclear exchange.
All because of meeting without precondition.
President to whatever leader meetings should be preceeded by behind the scene talks at State Dept level to set the stage so the meetings can be politically positive.
Obama made a very naive comment about &#039;meeting without condition&#039; and has since recanted and changed that position.  He is very naive as it pertains to foreign affairs for an ind running for President.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one is saying there should be no dialogue between the US and those politically diametrically opposed to the US.<br />
What was said is that the President should not meet  antagonistic foreign leaders without precondition/groundwork that sets a framework for the talks.<br />
One does not &#8216;chew the fat&#8217; with a potential enemy for fun.<br />
When Pres. Kennedy met Kruschev without preparation/framework Kruschev used the scenario for propaganda and to shower the President with slogans etc.  Kruschev felt Kennedy to be weak and thereafter built the Berlin Wall and deployed nuclear missles to Cuba precipitating the Cuban Missle Crisis and the closest we&#8217;ve come to a nuclear exchange.<br />
All because of meeting without precondition.<br />
President to whatever leader meetings should be preceeded by behind the scene talks at State Dept level to set the stage so the meetings can be politically positive.<br />
Obama made a very naive comment about &#8216;meeting without condition&#8217; and has since recanted and changed that position.  He is very naive as it pertains to foreign affairs for an ind running for President.</p>
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