MEK's Dilemma
The People’s Mojahedin Organisation of Iran (MEK) has been engaged since 1981 in a pitiless war with the IRI on any front, including from Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war 1980-1988. MEK’s presumed crimes have been committed in Iraq against Iraqi people– they were a part of Saddam’s repressive organs and their leaders must be normally punished for.
The leadership is traitor to their ex-brothers of the IRI because they sided with their enemy, Saddam. This cannot play down their treachery of siding with the enemy, although enemy to Iranian people was not only Saddam, but also the whole Islamic ruling elite that have destroyed the country since 1979.
Since they were in confrontation with the IRI, Saddam armed them with the Iranian weapons caught from Iranian troops. There is no proof that they used these weapons to kill civil population in Iran. Through their military adventure, Forough javidan in1988, the MEK failed to occupy some part of Kurdistan as a free zone for their “March into Tehran”, but there is no document of atrocity committed by them against the civil population, document in a degree of IRI’s atrocity when under Banisadr’s presidency in 1980, IRI’s planes bombed Kurdish population in Kurdistan.
Nobody believes that the MEK is a secular and democratic alternative to the plague of the IRI. Despite their allegations to set up a secular and democratic state in Iran, religion, in its most sectarian form, continues to remain their belief–gender segregation, Islamic hijab, Shiite ceremonies, ban of non-Islamic values remain their daily criteria. Most Iranians believe that their alleged “secular and democratic” state is nothing but a tactical cover-up. In reality, their state will be a continuation of the current IRI under another fresh leadership.
Although, for many people, the MEK is not in the category of Islamists like the members of IRI, Taliban and Hezbollah, but rather a sectarian group, the guru-like-leadership has a divine power within the group to brainwash the members. The leadership enslaves their devotees to the point to decide about the most personal matters of members as far as their marriage, divorce and whereabouts and foster child for their children. The leadership stands above any election and disapproval.
The MEK, among both Islamic and secular Iranian opposition groups, remains relatively organised and is the main opposition group to the IRI. This is the main reason that IRI and IRI’s supporters hate them at most. One of the IRI’s lobby groups in the West, Interlink, is at charge to raise campaign against the MEK.
It is ethically and politically important to distinguish the gurus of leadership from the brainwashed members. Those MEK’s members who have no blood on the hands must be helped to find a new homeland. To hand over several thousands MEK’s members to a criminal regime in Iran means to throw any MEK’s member in the wolf’s mouth. Nobody can envision how many of them will join the fate of IRI’s collective executions of 1988.
The international community must find a humanitarian solution to the fate of several thousands of MEK’s members caught in the Ashraf Camp in Iraq. They might become the victims of political bargains with the IRI or even the pro-Iranian Shiite government in Iraq.
There must be humanitarian criteria above any political bargains to facilitate their immediate transfer to the safe countries. They are facing an agonising fear in Iraq, and cannot be left alone.
Their blind belief system mixed with political ambitions remains a general problem to tackle with, but not in the cost of their lives.
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It is quite shameful that an article filled with such falsities is published in such a manner.
The Iranian regime’s quite tiresome propaganda all of which has been found to be false once again finds its way onto such a website.
The Iranian people’s message is clear, lies and propaganda can only ever last so long. Your weak attempts to demonise the PMOI act as the greatest indication that they offer the democracy and secularism that this regime so fears and it is for this reason the regime is running scared.
Well, there is one message to the Iranian regime and any other individual who wishes to publicise these lies under the pretence of humanitarianism, the Iranian people supported by the MEK will bring about freedom. Let it be known your days are numbered.
Anybody who even conducts the slightest research will be fully aware that this writers allegations against the MEK are lies.
However, the critical message that must be got across is that this article is simply one more indication of the Iranian rulers’ propaganda machine against Iran’s democratic opposition. Simply by naming well-known lobbyists for the Tehran regime, this does not hide your allegiances.
I have become informed of the MEK and what it stands for and I know that neither Iranians nor many within British society who support democracy in Iran will stand by as outrageous lies and propaganda are printed against this group.
The rulers of Iran and their lobbyists should be very worried, because soon the Iranian people will bring you before international courts and you will have to pay a heavy price for all of your despicable crimes.
This is the most ridiculous and terribly written article that I have ever seen in my life. The German-Iranian Jahanshah Rashidian must be paid very well by the Iranian regime for his efforts in support of the mullahs, spreading negative propaganda against the MEK. It is more than cheap to wash the bloody hands of this dirty mullahs by writing this confusing article. At the same time, Jahanshah shows his lack of capabilities to write an article in which his opinion is backed up with facts. I read nothing more than lies and contradictions and it seems to me that Jahanshah’s mind is full of frustration.
For what I know, this frustration is quit understandable if you imagine that the Iranian resistance blocked for more than 40 years the way of the clerics. With their peaceful and democratic struggle to bring about democratic change in Iran, the MEK is the only solution for Iran.
Jahanshah, you are a joke, and a repulsive sell-out to the regime.
I could easily find you stadiums full of people who KNOW that the PMOI are a secular and democratic alternative to the IRI. Gender segregation, Islamic hijab etc. belong to the IRI. I don’t wear the hijab and am fully embraced by the PMOI.
You disgust people like me who really are freedom-loving, human-rights loving people striving to make this world a better place.
I dont have time to read the whole article, but from reading the first few paragraphs, it is clear what rubbish would come out of such biased article. It is obvious this person is for the Iranian regime and against the MEK and like many others, he is trying to turn vulnerable people with lack of information on the MEK against them.
I have one word of advice for the youths reading this article, and that is do not believe what is said in this article and if you want to know more about the MEK then do your research and find all the relavent, but true information. I am sure there is an official site of the MEK in which you can learn a great deal about them.
init fereydoon help da youths out.. giv dem links
One again a new obvious attempt by the regime to discredit the strong and most popular Iranian opposition group, the PMOI. I think you are really wasting your time, trying new ways to demonize PMOI. This route has been well tried by the Iranian intelligence Services (i.e Iraninterlink, etc. and you!) They finally lost the case at the highest Court in UK. Soon PMOI will be removed from all Black list and get rid of this regime. So I advise you Jahanshah Rashidian (aka MOIS), to find yourself a better job before its too late.
Kind regards!
What a shameful article, about the Iranian opposition! Shame on you. How can u believe and PUBLISH the lies of Jahanshah Rashidian and the Iranian regime?
Shameful!
Goddamn a lot of you are fucking stupid, typical of dumbfuck pan-Iranian crackheads.
Accusing Jahanshah of being a voice of the IRI is downright laughable and idiotic.
How about you idiots lay off the hashish for once?
And the PMOI and their supporters can burn in Hell for all I care.
(1) Let me recall you that according to Sambrook, Iranians ‘have long memories’, and it’s too soon for them to forget terrorist campaigns of MEK, even if UK’s highest court happens to believe that MEK has experienced a real change. Therefore ‘being the most popular Iranian opposition group’ is no more than a false claim. Interestingly Jahnshah’s views are much more popular in Iran than those of MEK, and by this I don’t mean just this recent article, but his whole writings and criticisms of IRI and even Islam.
(2)
Despite metaphors and adjectives, with which I may not fully agree, Jahanshah’s conclusion is almost true.
Jahanshah: you can refer to something even newer than “collective executions of 1988″… and that is the fate of Mahdi Nahvi. According to Abdollah Shahbazi, a pro-IRI historian:
What is very clear is that the Iranian regime is trying so very hard to save itself by getting its stooges to publish lies about the Iranian resistance. It is funny to see them struggling and resorting to such cheap tactics to save themselves. What they should know is that they can struggle and wriggle all they like but the Iranian people will see that they one day, very soon get what they deserve!!!
I’m curious to know in which Iranian governmental news source Mr Rashie found the article!
KHAK BAR SARET BA IN NIVISHTARET
This article is absolute nonsense!!!
It has recently been proved in the highest court in the UK that PMOI is the most democratic, the most secular and than the most powerful and advance opposition group that struggles for a democratic change in Iran.
So the above article is nothing but the regurgitating of IRI’s fabrication against PMOI.
Siavosh R
This article is absolute nonsense!!!
My family are in Camp Ashraf and don’t need saving by anyone, least of all the idiot who has written this article. The author and other stooges of the regime need to stand aside and stop trying to delay the inevitable downfall of the Iranian regime.
PMOI supporters are as bad as al-Qaeda supporters. They can all burn in Hell for all I care.
Jahanshah, they are Iranians they should be given the option of coing back home.
it is nice to see the Terrorist who killed scores of Iraqis, iranian as well as US and EU citizens are reduced to desperate commenting in web logs to save the skin of their fugative leader
cheers
Massoud, Before the revolution, many of the activists, even the pones who are now in power affiliates of MEK, after the revolution, what happened was one religiously fundamental group seized the power and deprived all other groups who had a share in lthe revolution, despite all the promisses and the pretence of sharting power and letting people have a say all the time. So few years after the revolution you see no more fo the presence of any other group as a legal party in front of the university of Tehran, or among the writers of the newspapers such as Keyhan, who had a board of diverse writers once upon a time.
From the time the ruling party tried to suffocate all the opposition, you can see how disgusting the ruling party has become, they even hate their own image in the mirror if they think this image is going to oppose them.
Massoud, if you want to talk about Killging and all the terrost acts and ugly stuff, you Cannot pin point a single group or party, every one is to be blamed inside and outside, even you and me, even for not opposing, for being indeferrent, for believe one party is doing it and another one is the reincarnation of a saintly figure.
By the way, you can find many parties and many movements that have adopted radical ways on the path toward their objectives. You can either dismiss the party altogether, or wait and see what happens next, because gradually it is natural that as the party expands, the notions of human rights and non-violence is hilighted, and if the party needs the right reputation, which they do usually, they will have to change their ways. SO gradually in the course of time you see there are modifications in the manners of differnt politicaly motivated movements.
MEKs are iranians, and they need to come back home, safe. They deserve a life and a chance in their own country.
In South Africa, you see a man of G-d ( really that is how i see him) Mandela, gets out of jail after 26 years as a leader of a huge movement, and he only steps out to forgive all. That way he serves his country and his people, his gives every one a change to restart. Why we can’t do that? Do we have a Single man of G-d in our country who would act once like Mandela? or should we wish that we were Africans?
Now there is this Persian poem, I will try to translate it to English as well.
Persian : Gar Hokm Bovad Ke Mast girand, Dar Shahr har anke hast girand!
Translation :
If there is an order to arrest all the drunkards, in case the law is inforced every one in the town should be arrested.
Makes sense huh ?
Many commenters seem to be opposed to Jahanshah’s characterization of the MEK in Iraq as belonging to a cult with a guru-like leader and to have missed his point that there is not evidence to connect them to the atrocities cited by the current regime.
Am I right: or did you guys miss the main point of his post?
Elinor:
First of all, let me recall few parties who were almost “saints” in this sense, such as Freedom Movement of Iran. their mild reaction to both Shah regime and IRI may be an example of modern political behavior.
Second, I’m to an extent against this sense of “Hero-worship” to which we have grown used. reviewing the stories of Heros’ in Iran’s contemporary and old histories, one may conclude that Iranian heros usually failed to accomplish their missions. many factors contribute to this problem.
Then, I do believe that in the age of information, we would better invest in people to make a collective hero. that makes more sense, I think.
Tori:
This implies that some of them have some blood on the hands.
Mohammad Memarian – you dont make any sense in your post at 27.05.08 at 01:42 MDT ……. it appears you dont know what the heck you are talking about….. at least if you are going to write something make sure it is not absolute rubbish……..you do well at discrediting yourself, not that you have any credit to begin with!
To all:
May I remind you that this forum and platform is for the exact kind of exchanges we are having here, although we frown on profanity, we do encourage discussion and debate.
Instead of bashing the author, despite his views, why don’t some of you rebut with factual and cited arguments to prove your point? Only when the most convincing argument shows itself will the issue be addressed. Until now all we hear are impassioned pleas and slander. Rise up and use your brains.
And in addition to that, the Iranian regime are the ones with blood on their hands, the blood of Iranians. Preganant women, young children, and innocent people from all walks of life they take prison, torture and execute. All in the name of Islam, hell they dont know the first thing about Islam. The Iranian regime are the evil, Hitler is an angel compared to them!!
The People’s Mojahedin Organisation of Iran will overthrow the regime and then leave it to the people of Iran to dish out what the regime and their stooges deserve, and by the looks of things it is much sooner than they think.
Thank you for that Omid.
What kind of discussion do you expect us to have when the first line of the “article” starts by saying, I quote,
“The People’s Mojahedin Organisation of Iran (MEK) has been engaged since 1981 in a pitiless war…” ……I mean, for goodness sake, what exactly do you reply to an idiot who begins like that?!?!? I could get a better discussion going with my 13 year old cousin!
There is nothing in his arguement that makes any sense. Any in response to his claim that members of the ‘MEK’ need saving I stated that my family are in Camp Ashraf and dont need saving by the author or anyone like him.
Dear Ashraf & et al,
I too sympathize with your strong feelings against the Iranian government, but truly, only through logical, analytical and informed comments can any unknown reader make an assumption. I assure there are always more than one side to a story.
So please…lets have some educated counter arguments.
Ashraf:
it’s indeed interesting that you leave a comment without reading the whole thing. let me explain my post at 27.05.08 at 01:42 MDT…
Tori thought that Jahanshah had said “that there is not evidence to connect them [i.e.: MEK members] to the atrocities cited by the current regime.” I referred her to a sentence of Jahanshah’s original article which implies his idea that “there is some blood on the hands of some MEK members.” Got it?
Mohammad dear
Well, I am not talking about heros, but I do believe we need role models beside all creative aspects of individual contribution to a just cause.
Dear Friends,
Pleas condemn Iranian Regime for their Criminal act
against innocent people in Ashraf camp (Iranian
opposition camp in Iraq which is under protection of
multi national forces and are protected people under
4th Geneva convention in Iraq. Please write an article
about that and ask international authorities to
condemn this atrocity and even ask UN to put sanction
against Iranian Regime.Please notice the statment that
has been released by National council resistance of
Iran ( The main opposition of Iranian Government as
attaced).
Click on this you will see the clip for few minuts
http://www.iranntv.com/node/6/play
Iranian regime’s missile attack on Ashraf city
War crime against “Protected Persons under the Fourth Geneva Convention” in Iraqi territory
Calls on UN Security Council, Multinational force-Iraq and the Iraqi Government to adopt punitive measures and evict the Iranian regime from Iraq
Call to expel Kazemi Qomi, commander of the terrorist Qods Force in Baghdad
On Monday, May 26, 2008, at 16:23 local time, the warmongering mullahs’ regime, in a clear act of war, attacked Ashraf City, in northeast Iraq, with so-called Grad missiles. The missiles were engraved with Persian date of manufacture, “24-5-1384″ which corresponds to August 15, 2005. No injuries were reported in the missile attack in Ashraf.
This criminal attack occurred three weeks after the definitive judgment of the UK Court of Appeal to remove the PMOI from the terrorist list. The Mullahs’ hysteric reaction to this ruling continues unabated with the regime’s leaders reacting furiously.
Following the regime’s failure to prevent the annulment of the terror label, the mullahs’ regime has ordered its embassy in Baghdad to plot against the residents of Ashraf as a priority.
Attacking residents of Ashraf who are all “protected persons” under the “Fourth Geneva Convention” is a clear violation of international law, International Humanitarian Law, and Geneva Conventions. It is clearly considered a war crime.
The People’s Mojahedin Organisation of Iran calls upon the UN Security Council, International Committer of Red Cross, United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees, Multinational Force-Iraq and the Iraqi Government to condemn the Iranian regime’s war crimes in Iraqi territory against protected persons, and to adopt punitive measures against the religious fascism ruling Iran and to evict the Iranian regime from Iraq.
It is necessary to expel Kazemi Qomi, the terrorist Qods Force commander in Baghdad, to close down the Mullahs’ embassy in Baghdad, which serves as a base for terrorism and espionage, and is the main center for insecurity and instability in Iraq.
Dear Havadari,
It is indeed very unfortunate that still Iran shoots its missiles to the other side of the border every now and then for different reasons, PKK, Pegah movement, Iranians over there. I am very sorry to hear that I am sure Iranians and Middle Easterns would really want that stopped. It is unfortunate to see Iraq as a battlefied of all the conflicting forces, and the consquences of these armed conflicts regarding the lives and destiniy of people, the youth , children.
iranians there are Iranians and they need to come back home, but when Iranian authorities are threating them with middles before they come back, I can assumes how they will be treated when they come back home. Dear Ahraf campers, can you just run back home? I mean through the border, there are some places in the border where you can cross in the good season ( winter is too bitter for trying). Not every one can manage such a try but relatives usually embrace the relatives, well if among the relatives there is no one to spy and report. I have heard of some qurrillas coming back.
Listen, if you guys (placing comments on behalf of the regime) feel really responsible to bring out the voice of the dirty mullahs, please continue with your useless comments, in a try to talk to the people in Ashraf. Demonize them, try to get them extradited back to Iran, even bomb them with missiles, do whatever you want. But even after the bombings of Ashraf City in 2003 in which more than 50 people have been killed, Ashraf is still standing, even much stronger. There are 5,2 million Iraqis and 300.000 Shiites supporting Ashraf and there is no regime or power in the world that can block the way of the Ashraf people and the rest of the Iranian Resistance all over the world.
You can talk, we will see in the very near future.
Fereydoun:
What are these figures, especially ’5.2 million Iraqis’? you mean Sunni Iraqis?
And please set a time for that ‘very near future’.
Dear Fereydoun,
It is not easy to fight fight fight, well, it is not nice just to sit and pay back and watch, some poeple Die for their ideas, well, that is too much as well, not that I don’t respect that, but I guess we need life now, enough of killing and dying and fighting, that will convert all of us to mere jackals. As an iranian who faced a very wrong history, not less than yours in a way, not more, I think the fist thing that would bring all of us togewther as a single force is reconciliation. Then there should be a practice of tolerating each others opposite ideas, and then trying to solve problems consulting the idea of people, and that means democracy. Fereydoon, what I think at the moment is that trying to bash one another and make sure who is the best,who is bad who is good, this is not going to be helpful. We can help one another if we care about each other. I don’t know who did this, and I don’t know who is being blessed by this fact that Iranians are either enemies or indifferent to one another’s destiny. Not only Iranians, the whole region, we can be defferent.
Your tone as an Iranian will not encourage the rest that id the mullahs are vack to their studies and out of bussiness, you guys would replace them and make it a heaven, you know what I mean? That makes people think, let’s put up with the same people who are ruling us, what’s the difference?
One might have the right intentions, but the wrong tone. I personally have seen Mojahedin and talked to them, I have seen their tv.
Well, They say the that dress code is not compulsary but they all wear the red headscarves. They say we fight with the same veil on our head for you to have freedom of choice. There are people who believe in this and there are some others who don’t.
Would Iran look like North Korea if MEK takes the reins? I don’t know. But the efforts of people who try to make it better for themselves and for the others is honorable indeed, not every body is destined to die in a battlefield Fereidoon, I lost my dad in these sutpid wars and i would love to make sure no one else will die in another stupid war in the region, yours or mine.
Elinor:
their repulive support of so-called “only secular, democratic alternative to IRI” makes me think as if they are about to provide Iran with another blood bath.
Mohammad,
We never know, it might not be so as well. At the same time, if we have a true democracy, MEK can have her party and lead the government if she is appealing to the people. And then if she is less popular another party, suppose the nationalist partry would take over, all depending on the votes of people, see how good that would be. It could have happened right after the revolution if one party wouldn’t grab the seat!
To Omid -
“Rebut with factual and cited arguments”?!?!
It’s a lovely suggestion, omid, but you don’t seem to comprehend that this article has not an ounce of truth in it. Correct me if I am wrong but the burden of proof lies on the person who makes the allegations.
With regards to the issue of slander (which you so conveniently raised) it would seem that this offence would, in fact, would apply to the author of the article not people who have commented. If there is no solid ‘fact’ in question how is it possible disprove?? If the PMOI did in fact commit crimes it is for the ‘author’ of the article to provide relevant evidence or state the source of his information. What evidence can you reasonably expect from people leaving comments defending the organisation rom such ORGANISED and malicious allegations – ‘No, that isn’t true and I can prove it’. It’s like me claiming that you have stolen my handbag and you being asked to prove that you didn’t. What a ridiculous suggestion.
I would kindly suggest that you rise up and use your brain.
Farzaneh:
why do you expect reason from your opponents while you dont resort to it your self? you do leave comments without reading the whole thing, save reasoning. even some of your colleagues accused Jahanshah of being devoted to IRI cause. Come on.
Let me recall you and your friends again that even if UK’s highest court has come to believe that MEK is not a terrorist organization, Iranins are yet to forget those who were Saddam’s aids. do you really need a scientific reference for it? read here:
same old rubbish about supporting Saddam. Yawn yawn……noone cares, not the west and not the people of Iran. Allow the people to be free and see how soon the Iranian regime falls face down, then leave it to the people of Iran to decide…..PMOI or otherwise.
Frankly I am surprised at the kind of reactions we have been getting regarding this thread. I do not know much about the PMOI nor do I assume to. But what I do know is that some of you have displayed a frightening allegiance to an political organization made up of individuals.
Woe be upon you. A little word of advice, take every bit of official jargon and rhetoric with a grain of salt. Trust no politician whatever their agenda and make no promises to anyone when it comes to politics.
The IRI is notorious, we all know that. But saying the PMOI is the only answer makes me skeptical right from the start.
Masoumeh,
Why should we have a specific group of people ruling all? A healthy democracy can provide a fair distribution of power and responsibility to all the parties that would take part in elections. We just need all parties included. Why shouldn’t we have that? So if a party is doing a good job for the people the popularity raises and more poeple would vote. It sounds like a very far reaching goal, but girl, some countries around us have that already. India is perhaps the best example.
Masoumeh said:
old rubbish bulshit? MEK resorted to one of the worst enemies of Iranians so as to solve its own personal problem with IRI. When everything was against Iran in that unfair war, MEK committed terror campaign against not only most senior IRI officials but also against senior/junior commanders of war, with the only criterion to choose the victims being “affiliated with Revolutionary Guards” or not, and in some extreme cases MEK killed a whole family to just get rid off one commander.
Believe it or not, most of Iranians hate you. you do have no chance in a democratic election, so the only option for you to take power is through coup or something like that.
Any potential alternative to IRI which may come to run another blood bath (this time with the victims being clergies or so) or discriminate some fractions, is doomed to either failure or an other IRI-like experience. however, I do believe that MEK is not even an option.
It is sad that some blind MEK’s devotees did not read my whole article, instead took some parts of the article out of the context to spew, as usual, labels on the other thinkers. Their poor arguments confirm their miserable and brainwashed reations I described in my piece. Contrary to their usual labels, probably due to my “profane” language towards their gurus, I did not give any credence to their enemy, the IRI, which happens to be the enemy of all freedom loving Iranians.
Tactical colours aside, the MEK is in its last analysis a deviation of political Islam. Without its rows with the defiant Mullahs, its leaders could have occupied the key positions, like other factions, in the three decades rule of the IRI.
Today, the IRI is the real respondent for the atrocious crimes committed in the last three decades against Iranian people. The MEK is believed to have committed crimes against Iraqis, as a part of Saddam’s repressive organs, and its own “dissent” members –this ”misinformation” is not only coming from the IRI created, sustained and financed propaganda machine, like Interlink, but also from other sources of the “outside” or ex-members of the MEK, and foreign observers. I do not put their leadership on the same bench of accusation; the only accused to the mass killings and bloody repression, and destruction of Iran is the IRI period. I believe that their bloody conflicts with the Mullahs’ regime, eventhough a political mistake, are not to some extend to call them illegitimate; the only side with vile and criminal character is the regime. Therefore there is no humanitarian reason to keep several thousands of MEK’s foot soldiers in the Ashraf camp, in a permanent pending danger, while the gurus, the presumed responsible, are in the safe closets. The IRI campaigns to have them back in their bloody clutches and this is my point.
Most released political prisoners under the Shah were arrested and executed by the IRI. Nobody with a right mind believes Mullahs’ promises about the amnesty. Iran is not a safe country for them.
Most MEK’s members are poor brainwashed fanatics; they can find a better way to oppose to the IRI in the safe countries.
Jahnshah:
Please clarify your position on terror campaigns of MEK during Iran-Iraq war, particularly in the case of revolutionary guard commanders and even ordinary soldiers, sometimes accompanied with murdering a whole family.
I’m happy that we were able to touch your ego Jahnshah, what I already expected. Because of your frustrated reaction, backed up with statements stated by the Iranian regime as well, we can clarify some more points in this discussion. You are not only contradicting the truth, but you contradict yourself as well. I think it is time to show the people some evidence, because people wouldn’t really understand what your main message is with your mixed up statements. What do you want to make clear about the Mojahedin-e-Khalq? What is the main point of your article and you and your friends’ comments? Demonizing the only resistance movement that stands against the mullahs is quit cheap and easy, you are not really doing the Iranian people a big favour. Do you want to warn them for this ‘poor brainwashed fanatics’, or is it maybe a better idea to warn the people for the danger of their enemy, the Iranian regime?
Good, because I see you are quit willing to respond on this comments, I would like to ask you the following questions.
How can the total opposite of fundamentalism, misusing of Islam, brainwashing people, repression and destruction of Iran be the same as the group they are resisting against? Why would the MEK match with this useless remarks and fight their own people, kill families and brainwash and repress people if the regime is doing exactly the same? It would be more logic that they would be part of the regime and be in power in Iran if this would be a true description of the Iranian Resistance, don’t you think so?
And because you are stating in your comment that ‘I did not give any credence to their enemy, the IRI’, I was wondering why you still keep continuing to come with arguments and statements, based on the lies of the Iranian regime (regarding all their propaganda against the MEK, regarding for example to the website from Interlink that you refer to in every piece you write).
And what are you doing for the Iranian people yourself? What will be your answer if Iran will be free and the people will ask you what you did for our nation? Demonizing the only opportunity to bring about democratic change in Iran, who pay this high price for their struggle to overthrow the regime and get free elections under protection of the United Nations in Iran?
Then I wanted to issue once again that
1) a judgment of the European Court of Justice (December 2006),
20 a judgment of the Proscribed Organizations Appeal Commission (POAC, November 2007),
3) the rejection of the appeal of the British government on this POAC judgment AND
4) a judgment by the Lord Chief Justice in the British Court of Appeal on 7 May this year
confirmed that the People’s Mojahedin Organization of Iran (PMOI/MEK) is a peaceful democratic opposition movement that is not concerned in terrorism, resisting against the theocratic Iranian regime and should immediately be de-proscribed from the list of terrorist organizations.
Next to that, I hear a lot of your mates stating that the PMOI are hated in Iran, cannot bring any change in the country and quoting yourself: “Those MEK’s members who have no blood on the hands must be helped to find a new homeland”. Well, in the first place I want to ask you and your friends why you think that the regime is trying so hard to destroy the MEK. If the MEK were not able to bring any democratic change in the country, why would the mullahs care about them? The same question can be asked for you guys. If you really hate the MEK so much and you are so sure that they have no support in Iran and are hated there as well, why don’t you just leave them alone?
At the other side, it would be very strange that they are still standing against the mullahs and paying this high price for more than 40 years to keep struggling for their own people, not wanting anything for themself if the people they are struggling for hated them. And if the Mojahedin is struggling to come to power themself, why shouldn’t they just accept the request from Ayatollah Khomeini (at the time he was in power and the MEK was still in Iran) to come on their side and make the leader of the Iranian resistance, Masoud Rajavi, the President of the country? The fact that Masoud Rajavi refused this absurd request is another clear evidence to prove that they are not struggling for their own benefit. Another clear fact is that more than 120.000 of their members have been executed by the regime. If they wanted to come in power themself and struggle for themself, why would they pay this high price for the struggle for freedom?
Then my last question for you, reacting on your comments, stating that the Mojahedin are so hated by the people themselves. How are you going to explain the following video clip, showing an enormous support of Iranian people INSIDE the country with more than 300.000 of these people at the same time (when the MEK was still resisting inside Iran) gathered to listen to one of the speeches of Masoud Rajavi, the leader of the Iranian resistance? And this is just one of the examples of the support of the Iranian people for the Mojahedin-e-Khalq. There were lots of other speeches, meetings and demonstrations in which the people showed their support for the MEK and backed them to make a change to get rid of this mullahs.
Link of one of the speeches of Masoud Rajavi in Iran: http://youtube.com/watch?v=I50L006YS48&feature=related
I don’t think that I have to use more words. I am not even interested in your frustrated reactions, expecting nothing more than a repeat of what the mullahs already said before. Very cheap to use their dirty words.
Jahnshah, try to stand whatever you feel responsible for. Try to demonize the MEK, try to block the path of the Iranian resistance, but always remember that justice will prevail. The era of the mullahs has come to an end, be ready for the moment that our people themselves will come to you and ask you what you have done for them when they were under torture and extremely suppression.
Iran will be free.
Jahnshah hates the IRI and the mullahs. Some comments here made me giggle like a little girl.
Fereydoun:
Jahanshah may have his own words. But since you think that you’ve made a strong argument, let’s investigate it a bit more through various perspectives:
A simple explanation, of which many evidences of the post-revolution campaigns of MEK are approving, is that MEK’s leadership does not want a share of power; it claims the absolute authority. So, when you say that:
A simple response is that self-deluded MEK members are paying the price that the “guru-like leadership” needs so as to further advance its agenda.
Your next, equally important question is that:
Indeed MEK is not an existential threat to IRI. It, however, may press IRI through propaganda campaigns in global arena, and this is what makes Mullahs feel compelled to stop MEK. I do believe that IRI and MEK leadership have many things in common, one of which is: they are reluctant to share the power/profits with others, and thus do their best to stop the competitors.
Funny. It’s very easy to explain such things, and I feel like leaving it to you, for you can do it even better… just explain to me “too many” similar clips which portray “millions” of people attending Ayatollah Khomeini’s funeral, and whatever explanations you make I can equally use for the above clip.
Indeed such ‘decrees’ were a good award for MEK’s efforts for revealing IRI’s nuclear secrets, albeit thanks to Israel’s intelligence service. I do remember several analysis of leading authors in US and Europe who said:
Some people like to eat from the ass of the Iranian regime dispite their efforts not to.
I really dont know about the MEK but what is clear is that some on this reel are really full of shit and are supporting the Iranian regime despite trying desperately hard to show they are not. (eg Mohamad from Iran)
The MEK were right to tell the world about the regimes nuclear programme regardless of where the information was obtained from. It is time that people noticed this. This move was and still is in the long term intests of the Iranian people and the international community.
Another point:
one may say that “MEK-IRI power struggle” is none of my business. Seemingly true. But I do have a good reason to be a part of the story: Iran (I think) is experienceing a deeply social process of democraitzation from within (with no need for an infamous alternative such as MEK).
MEK’s terrorist and non-terrorist activities, however, impose a “special security” condition on the country, which in turn freezes this process.
agree.
I very much doubt that the court verdits were as a result of exposing irans nuclear program, that is a stupid thing to say Mohamad.
After all we have a free and fair legal system (unlike that in Iran) and if the MEK are not terrorists and the court over ruled the government, which does many things for political gain, then it is highly unlikely that they are terroists. I very much doubt the courts would come to such a conclusion lightly.
I am very cynical about the claims made against the MEK, especially if the three verdits outlied by Fereydoon are true (which they are, I have just checked.) Once again I trust the court over any slander by the Iranian regime and western governments who are only looking out for themselves.
Alison:
MEK had conducted a bunch of terrorist attcks few years after revolution and during Iran-Iraq war. that belongs to +25 years ago, and this period of time is more than enough for a court to decide that the party is not involved in any recent terrorist attack. its a good development by its very nature.
about IRI, I do strongly believe that this system has to experience a radical change, for it’s very defective. I, however, think that as long as ordinary people are less informed and less educated, a radical change is not likely to come in to existence. Iranians voted for Khatami, a reformist, and 8 yearz later voted for Ahmadinejad, an ultra-conservative. interestingly, in both elections, losers were somehow eminent figures of IRI and their failure may be somehow interpreted as a big ‘NO’ to the dominant system (even the win of Ahmadinejad is of such a nature). this is a clear sign of 2 things: (1) Iranians want a real change. (2) Iranians dont know what is the solution. these 2 problems have to be changed, if a really democratic country is to be established. people should grow educated, and this is happnenig, though takes time. that’s all.
Iranian did not vote for neither Khatami nor Ahmadinejad- both of whom were and are as backward as each other.
They are both part of the same parcel and package of the Iranian regime.
There needs to be a complete change in Iran and the people need to decide who to bring in, MEK or otherwise. I very much doubt that you speak for the Iranian people in your opposition to the MEK. If people were given the chance to express their political interests then they may well choose the MEK, maybe not but either way if the MEK have been resisting the Iranian regime for so long and remain so dedicated then they should be allowed to take part in elections like everyone else and the people of Iran should decide.
Let me correct you: Iranians did vote for both Khatami and Ahmadinejad, though their respective elections was far from a democratic one, for People were subject to limited choices. so true.
However, the main point is that people indeed came to believe Ahamdinejad, as they did come to believe Khatami, Khomeini, Mohammad Reza Shah, Mosaddegh (who nationalized Iran’s oil), Reza Khan (founder of Pahlavi dynasty) etc. thus it won’t be much of a surprise if they again come to swear by MEK as corrupt as it is. And this is exactly what might be considered a problem.
even worse is that Iranians will believe in a chinese model of growth, if it happens to guarantee their progress.
So, as long as there is not a proper, minimum social infrastructure for democracy, I dont care who wins the power struggle, whether its IRI, MEK or monarch-devotees.
People voted for Khatami and Ahmadinejad?!?!?
Looks like you definately did.
You only know about the MEK from what you have heard from the Iranian regime, not from your own experiences, you seem to quick to judge. Being inside Iran I very much doubt that you get a fair picture of organisations outside Iran wanting to bring about change in Iran and although you are entitled to your opinion you are very biased. It particularly interests me that you seem to think that Iranian people voted for the regime, that is interesting.
Same analysis applies to your idea of Iran, to an extent:
Damn it Mohammad, you beat me to it.
IRI’s atrocity towards its people, its opposition, including the MEK, is not automatically enough to justify any opposition as the only legitimate alternative. A fair alternative to the illegitimate IRI must be inevitably a progressive, secular, democratic and popular opposition. Before any further judgement about its ”heroic” past or present combat, we must see which factors and criterions can be met.
It is true that among the IRI’s massacres, the MEK has lost the highest numbers of victims than all other opposition groups combined and has been the most combative opposition group. At the beginning, it was a popular movement–I remind you that Fedaeen was more popular and could even gather more sympathisers –see their 500,000-rally in Azadi sq. short before their (Majority) joint the IRI’s camp.
The MEK is presented as a cult group with no respect for “subordinated” members and consequently and especially for other thinkers. The cult is a combination of Islam or Shiite tradition where notions of martyrdom remain the highest value of devotees. The MEK, like many other Islamic radical groups, borrows Stalinist methods of organisation, Its judgement over others thinkers are white / black, insider / outsiders and hence label other thinkers as “enemy of people.” The MEK has abandoned its leftist imitations of “class struggle and anti-capitalist / imperialist” positions. Once they chorded with the “comrades” that “imperialism was historically doomed to annihilation in an inevitable process of historical determinism.” Today, they attempt to find legitimacy under US umbrella
More than one generation after the revolution, people reinvestigate the opposition groups, including the MEK. The MEK can match people’s standards to become a liable alternative to the IRI if these following questions are tackled as criteria:
– is MEK in an affinity with political Islam?
– is the group holding democratic and secular capacity?
— is MEK reliable and trustful?
–does the group have records of preceding collaboration with foreign corrupt, undemocratic, dictatorial leaders like Hashemi monarch, Saudian wahabbi, Saddam, and ….?
–does the group take unambiguous position toward ambitions of the US / Israel / and other key powers in Iran / in the region?
In the accomplishment of these objectives, most Iranians believe the MEK failed to fulfil positive answers.
She thinks your outside Iran Mohammad? such conclusion jumping…
err one would assume from the word (iran) next to the retards name implies that he lives in iran.
It would appear the two of you are rather …ahem.. ‘friendly’. Unfortunate alliance as you don’t seem to share a brain cell between you.
And you some how have all these from your uber debating skillzoz?
top marks for observance little girl
I am not a girl, ignorant piece of shit… ones again, shows your uber debating skillzzz..
Fully aware of the possibility of US-led invasion on Iran, MEK is getting ready for a power take-over. Its leadership very well knows that US is tolerant of dictatorial/cruel regimes as long as they dont grow hostile towards US interests. If some groups such as National Freedom Movement of Iran were to replace IRI, I would wholeheartedly embrace it, for they are essentially democratic groups and a good alternative to IRI. MEK, however, is just thinking of retaliation, and that is what makes this group a frightening option to Iranians, but probably a plausible one to US administration.
Truth is that most of young Iranians are somehow indifferent to the regime, if it happens to support some basic rights and a profitable economy. And same is true about next regime options. This is why even monarch-devotees have a share of public opinion in Iran.
“ones again, shows your uber debating skillzzz..”
Good god what a retard you are.
Nice mixture though.. English German and Spazlish
Good God what a failed abortion you are.
Lol. That may well be the case Danial! You on the other hand illustrate what is commonly known as bi pedar madar.
Simini, just another 10 year olds who have issues with IRI cause their papa and mama said they should.
That’s right. Anyone who has issues with the regime has it because their mummy and daddy said they should. Nothing to do with the fact that it has one of the worst human rights records in the world!! Retard.
And I didn’t say everyone, I said Simini. Now I am certain that you are a 10 year old. If you want to be taken seriously, stop using terms typically used by 10 year olds when they insult others. Until then have a good day with your uber l33tzors debating skillzz
Lets try to clean it up. This type of dialog is not conducive to a constructive conversation.
Jina – “just another 10 year olds” is pleural so doesn’t only refer to me.
You clearly have no idea how to construct a sentence coherently so until you do i’m not going to dignify your drivel with a response.
1. You just replied to me
2. Ever hear of typos?
3. Your reading comprehension suck really bad if you didn’t figure out the typo.
4. English ain’t my first language.
5. You sure you have permission from your parents to go on the interweb?
kthxbi!!1!