Comments on: The Gay Imam http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/07/13/the-gay-imam/ Thinking Ahead Sat, 11 Feb 2012 20:46:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Philogenus http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/07/13/the-gay-imam/#comment-20352 Philogenus Tue, 20 Apr 2010 21:27:28 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/07/13/the-gay-imam/#comment-20352 To John, Im sure you're angry at some gays who are flouting openly gay behavior and yet calling themselves Muslim, however to say they are not Muslims is wrong. In Islam there are levels of being a Muslim, u can be a Muslim, mu'min, salih, 'aasi (when u do ma'siah) bad deeds and yet you are still Muslim. They might not be good or the best of Muslims but as long as they have said the shahadah and do the five pillars of Islam and believe in the 6 pillars of faith then they are Muslims. And yes in Islam only actions are forbidden, thoughts and ideas are not, how can it? A hadeeth from the prophet peace be upon him goes something like : when u think of a good deed and then do it u receive 2 blessings and when u think of a good thing and do not do it u gain 1 blessing, when u think of a bad deed and then not do it u also receive 1 blessing but when u think of a bad deed and do it u commit 1 sin. The only gays who are considered outside the fold of Islam is when they openly declare that being gay is ok in the quran and sunnah this can lead them to be non-muslims because they are making claims to that which is non-existent in the quran. You willl discover that any kind of claims made that Islam is ok with homosexuality is based on shoddy scholarship and extensive extensive self interpretation. If u are gay then u must struggle and try to not be one and if you have had sexual encounters then u must struggle even more, do remember that the only sin in Islam which is unforgivable in the eyes of Allah is polytheism(shirk). To John, Im sure you’re angry at some gays who are flouting openly gay behavior and yet calling themselves Muslim, however to say they are not Muslims is wrong. In Islam there are levels of being a Muslim, u can be a Muslim, mu’min, salih, ‘aasi (when u do ma’siah) bad deeds and yet you are still Muslim. They might not be good or the best of Muslims but as long as they have said the shahadah and do the five pillars of Islam and believe in the 6 pillars of faith then they are Muslims. And yes in Islam only actions are forbidden, thoughts and ideas are not, how can it? A hadeeth from the prophet peace be upon him goes something like : when u think of a good deed and then do it u receive 2 blessings and when u think of a good thing and do not do it u gain 1 blessing, when u think of a bad deed and then not do it u also receive 1 blessing but when u think of a bad deed and do it u commit 1 sin. The only gays who are considered outside the fold of Islam is when they openly declare that being gay is ok in the quran and sunnah this can lead them to be non-muslims because they are making claims to that which is non-existent in the quran. You willl discover that any kind of claims made that Islam is ok with homosexuality is based on shoddy scholarship and extensive extensive self interpretation. If u are gay then u must struggle and try to not be one and if you have had sexual encounters then u must struggle even more, do remember that the only sin in Islam which is unforgivable in the eyes of Allah is polytheism(shirk).

]]> By: John Usla http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/07/13/the-gay-imam/#comment-20351 John Usla Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:42:50 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/07/13/the-gay-imam/#comment-20351 Islam forbid homesexuality. If you want to be gay, then be gay. You can be arab gay or pakistani gay, etc BUT you will never be muslim gay. Being a muslim is to follow and believe in a Holy Al Quran (all 6666 ayats) completely. if you disbelieve even one ayat, then you are NOT muslim. So do not call yourself a muslim when you are gay because you are not following the rule. You cannot call yourself a policeman when you sale drugs. You will be called criminals. All criminals go to jails. So if you are gay, then be gay. Do not call yourself a muslim gay. Muslim is not a race. It is a follower of faith of Islam. Being gay make you happy, then be gay. Do not try to be gay and muslim at the same time because it is clear and loud for the past 1400 years, there is no room for homosexuality in Islam. The punishment is hell fire. You are not welcome in the masjids, etc. If you want to be muslim, then ask for God forgiveness and do not be gay. Islam forbid homesexuality. If you want to be gay, then be gay. You can be arab gay or pakistani gay, etc BUT you will never be muslim gay. Being a muslim is to follow and believe in a Holy Al Quran (all 6666 ayats) completely. if you disbelieve even one ayat, then you are NOT muslim. So do not call yourself a muslim when you are gay because you are not following the rule. You cannot call yourself a policeman when you sale drugs. You will be called criminals. All criminals go to jails.

So if you are gay, then be gay. Do not call yourself a muslim gay. Muslim is not a race. It is a follower of faith of Islam. Being gay make you happy, then be gay. Do not try to be gay and muslim at the same time because it is clear and loud for the past 1400 years, there is no room for homosexuality in Islam. The punishment is hell fire. You are not welcome in the masjids, etc.

If you want to be muslim, then ask for God forgiveness and do not be gay.

]]> By: Mend (Iraq/UK/Germany) http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/07/13/the-gay-imam/#comment-20350 Mend (Iraq/UK/Germany) Fri, 21 Aug 2009 22:52:31 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/07/13/the-gay-imam/#comment-20350 I have to things to say. It is a human being's choice to be Muslim Yet, I don't understand why a Muslim person needs to believe in a concept that is purely homophobic. You better believe in a philosophy...such as Existentialism. Still (going back to point one), no one is to decide whether someone wants to call him/herself Muslim or not. Book Suggestions: A Nausea I have to things to say.
It is a human being’s choice to be Muslim

Yet, I don’t understand why a Muslim person needs to believe in a concept that is purely homophobic. You better believe in a philosophy…such as Existentialism.

Still (going back to point one), no one is to decide whether someone wants to call him/herself Muslim or not.

Book Suggestions:
A Nausea

]]> By: Mariam~ http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/07/13/the-gay-imam/#comment-20349 Mariam~ Sun, 26 Jul 2009 23:03:41 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/07/13/the-gay-imam/#comment-20349 I think that it is ridiculous that they are trying to reconcile islam with homosexuality and somehow try to build a positive relationship between them. Islam is clear on homosexuality. I am offended by the thought of this movie. Although I do believe that homosexuals should be respected and given all their rights as human beings but to reconcile what is clearly forbidden in islam, thats just crazy. I think that it is ridiculous that they are trying to reconcile islam with homosexuality and somehow try to build a positive relationship between them. Islam is clear on homosexuality. I am offended by the thought of this movie.
Although I do believe that homosexuals should be respected and given all their rights as human beings but to reconcile what is clearly forbidden in islam, thats just crazy.

]]> By: A. Daoud http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/07/13/the-gay-imam/#comment-20348 A. Daoud Sun, 17 May 2009 11:22:54 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/07/13/the-gay-imam/#comment-20348 Look, there is a Male and there is a Female. You figure out the rest, you imperfect humans... Why do you complicate it with needs, rights, wants, desires and other philosophical endless debates. Cheers, Look, there is a Male and there is a Female.
You figure out the rest, you imperfect humans…

Why do you complicate it with needs, rights, wants, desires and other philosophical endless debates.

Cheers,

]]> By: Silvio Almeida http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/07/13/the-gay-imam/#comment-20347 Silvio Almeida Wed, 22 Apr 2009 03:17:30 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/07/13/the-gay-imam/#comment-20347 Salam, Just thought I could give my contribution to this debate. Religion, whether Islam, Christianity, Buddhism etc., should be about LOVE, shouldn't it? Those who are religious should love all the creations of God Almighty, including homosexuals. If you incentive hate and persecution, you only force people into obscurantism and unhappiness, just because they have a diverse lifestyle. Views like "homosexuality is curable" or that it is "a whim" or, worse, recommending a prothesis to be implanted so a gay husband could have sex with his wife, as I have recently seen in an Egyptian newspaper report, well... these views are now regarded as unscientific by most of the international community! True scientists today laugh about these outdated views. Taboo themes like homosexuality are seen in Egypt and other arab countries through a particularly conservative 1950's moral mindset. But, hey, do you want to make a difference or be just another conveyor of such prejudiced and outdated mentality? That said, please, if men-men or woman-woman couples want to be together, just let them do what they want to. It is just not fair to force people to marry someone of the sex they are simply not attracted to. It is nature. And an incredible number of people in Egypt, just like everywhere else, practice homosexual sex some time in their lives, regardless of whether they see themselves as homo, bi or heterosexual. And that include those who want to be seen as pious Muslims. It always seems to me that those who most condemn homosexuality are precisely those who are most afraid it could manifest in their own inner selves. It used to be the same in the West some 50 years ago, and the Arab world will evolve to a more democratic view of society one day. No matter what prejudiced minds do, homosexual rights are and will more and more become a reality everywhere. You can't stop nature. S. Almeida, Brazil. Salam,
Just thought I could give my contribution to this debate. Religion, whether Islam, Christianity, Buddhism etc., should be about LOVE, shouldn’t it? Those who are religious should love all the creations of God Almighty, including homosexuals. If you incentive hate and persecution, you only force people into obscurantism and unhappiness, just because they have a diverse lifestyle. Views like “homosexuality is curable” or that it is “a whim” or, worse, recommending a prothesis to be implanted so a gay husband could have sex with his wife, as I have recently seen in an Egyptian newspaper report, well… these views are now regarded as unscientific by most of the international community! True scientists today laugh about these outdated views. Taboo themes like homosexuality are seen in Egypt and other arab countries through a particularly conservative 1950′s moral mindset. But, hey, do you want to make a difference or be just another conveyor of such prejudiced and outdated mentality? That said, please, if men-men or woman-woman couples want to be together, just let them do what they want to. It is just not fair to force people to marry someone of the sex they are simply not attracted to. It is nature. And an incredible number of people in Egypt, just like everywhere else, practice homosexual sex some time in their lives, regardless of whether they see themselves as homo, bi or heterosexual. And that include those who want to be seen as pious Muslims. It always seems to me that those who most condemn homosexuality are precisely those who are most afraid it could manifest in their own inner selves. It used to be the same in the West some 50 years ago, and the Arab world will evolve to a more democratic view of society one day. No matter what prejudiced minds do, homosexual rights are and will more and more become a reality everywhere. You can’t stop nature.
S. Almeida, Brazil.

]]> By: Taleb Haq http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/07/13/the-gay-imam/#comment-20346 Taleb Haq Fri, 01 Aug 2008 22:11:51 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/07/13/the-gay-imam/#comment-20346 Salam, Islam recognizes that there is such a thing as urges and teaches patience in order to control these urges, whatever they may be. Islam through the Qur'an and the sunnah of the Messenger peace be upon him teaches methods to control these urgest (fasting, lowering of the gaze, amongst other things). If you are not willing to control these urges, as Islam teaches, there are consequences. The stroy of the People of Lut is one where they rejected all calls to control themselves and to come to their senses. By the way, it has NOT, repeat NOT been proven that homosexuality is congenital... Salam,
Islam recognizes that there is such a thing as urges and teaches patience in order to control these urges, whatever they may be. Islam through the Qur’an and the sunnah of the Messenger peace be upon him teaches methods to control these urgest (fasting, lowering of the gaze, amongst other things). If you are not willing to control these urges, as Islam teaches, there are consequences. The stroy of the People of Lut is one where they rejected all calls to control themselves and to come to their senses. By the way, it has NOT, repeat NOT been proven that homosexuality is congenital…

]]> By: egyguy http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/07/13/the-gay-imam/#comment-20345 egyguy Fri, 01 Aug 2008 21:26:04 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/07/13/the-gay-imam/#comment-20345 islam doesn't even recognize homosexuality as a disease or disorder and doesn't recognize the fact that homosexuality isn't a choice.in Qur'an,it asks the gay men to go for women while God,who is telling these words,knows that gay men don't have any desire for women.he creates them homosexuals then calls them criminals cuz of doing it and asks them to go for women while he knows they can't!.may be if he said it's something i made and be patient and fight it,Qur'an's verses about homosexuality might have gained some sympathy!.however,to ignore,the fact that homosexuals are just born homosexuals and treating them like it's their choice,is not understandable..i'm a moslem gay and i can't reach any explanation. islam doesn’t even recognize homosexuality as a disease or disorder and doesn’t recognize the fact that homosexuality isn’t a choice.in Qur’an,it asks the gay men to go for women while God,who is telling these words,knows that gay men don’t have any desire for women.he creates them homosexuals then calls them criminals cuz of doing it and asks them to go for women while he knows they can’t!.may be if he said it’s something i made and be patient and fight it,Qur’an’s verses about homosexuality might have gained some sympathy!.however,to ignore,the fact that homosexuals are just born homosexuals and treating them like it’s their choice,is not understandable..i’m a moslem gay and i can’t reach any explanation.

]]> By: Taleb Haq http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/07/13/the-gay-imam/#comment-20344 Taleb Haq Thu, 17 Jul 2008 12:49:34 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/07/13/the-gay-imam/#comment-20344 The post mentions many websites that advocate homosexuality within Islam but fails to mention the mainstream point of view and that is homosexual Muslims who are seeking to control their urges and live within Islamic principles. One such blog is http://gaymuslims.wordpress.com and also there is a support group for such Muslims at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/StraightStruggle Salam. The post mentions many websites that advocate homosexuality within Islam but fails to mention the mainstream point of view and that is homosexual Muslims who are seeking to control their urges and live within Islamic principles. One such blog is http://gaymuslims.wordpress.com and also there is a support group for such Muslims at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/StraightStruggle
Salam.

]]> By: Hasan http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/07/13/the-gay-imam/#comment-20343 Hasan Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:08:00 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/07/13/the-gay-imam/#comment-20343 The Islamic point of view is that human beings were made to worship God. So we must worship Him as He sees fit. We cannot change any aspect of His religion to suit us. The Islamic point of view is that human beings were made to worship God. So we must worship Him as He sees fit. We cannot change any aspect of His religion to suit us.

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