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		<title>By: Voices without Votes &#187; Omar Khadr turns 22 in Guantanamo Bay</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/07/20/when-the-us-government-has-the-right-to-torture-minors/#comment-20506</link>
		<dc:creator>Voices without Votes &#187; Omar Khadr turns 22 in Guantanamo Bay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 17:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (Sept 19) Omar turns 22. There&#8217;s really not much news about his status and there has yet to be a follow up [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Omar Khadr turns 22 in Guantanamo Bay - Mideast Youth - Thinking Ahead</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/07/20/when-the-us-government-has-the-right-to-torture-minors/#comment-20505</link>
		<dc:creator>Omar Khadr turns 22 in Guantanamo Bay - Mideast Youth - Thinking Ahead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Khadr turns 22 in Guantanamo Bay Author: Esra&#039;a (Bahrain) - September 18, 2008  Tomorrow (Sept 19) Omar turns 22. There&#8217;s really not much news about his status and there has yet to be a follow up [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Khadr turns 22 in Guantanamo Bay Author: Esra&#8217;a (Bahrain) &#8211; September 18, 2008  Tomorrow (Sept 19) Omar turns 22. There&#8217;s really not much news about his status and there has yet to be a follow up [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Noliving</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/07/20/when-the-us-government-has-the-right-to-torture-minors/#comment-20504</link>
		<dc:creator>Noliving</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Esra, I think its fair to say that khadr is a prisoner of war.  As a result the American Government has the right to arrest him or detain or capture him considering he was captured on a battlefield.   The point that I&#039;m making there is... well lets look at the american POW&#039;s in the iraq war, by your definition the American pows should have been handed over to the american government to face the american justice system, not the best example but I think you get the point here, you don&#039;t hand over prisoners of war to their country of citizenship and say prosecute them.

The question out of all this is how he is being treated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Esra, I think its fair to say that khadr is a prisoner of war.  As a result the American Government has the right to arrest him or detain or capture him considering he was captured on a battlefield.   The point that I&#8217;m making there is&#8230; well lets look at the american POW&#8217;s in the iraq war, by your definition the American pows should have been handed over to the american government to face the american justice system, not the best example but I think you get the point here, you don&#8217;t hand over prisoners of war to their country of citizenship and say prosecute them.</p>
<p>The question out of all this is how he is being treated.</p>
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		<title>By: Hilary</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/07/20/when-the-us-government-has-the-right-to-torture-minors/#comment-20503</link>
		<dc:creator>Hilary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the worst part about this whole situation is the Canadian government&#039;s practical abandonment of Khadr.  There is a petition to demand the Prime Minister protect his citizens here: http://go.care2.com/15898432</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the worst part about this whole situation is the Canadian government&#8217;s practical abandonment of Khadr.  There is a petition to demand the Prime Minister protect his citizens here: <a href="http://go.care2.com/15898432" rel="nofollow">http://go.care2.com/15898432</a></p>
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		<title>By: patb</title>
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		<dc:creator>patb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 05:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Esra&#039;a,
I&#039;m not overly familiar with this but...

&quot;One prime allegation is that al-Haj served as a financial courier for Chechen rebels and other armed groups in the Caucuses, delivering large sums of cash from the United Arab Emirates to Azerbaijan on several occasions between 1996 and 2000. Azerbaijan was a known transfer point for arms and materiel in support of Chechen armed groups.

U.S. officials allege that al-Haj made cash deliveries on behalf of his boss at Union Beverages, Abdel Latif al-Umran, to the Baku branch of the Islamic charity Al-Haramain. Al-Umran, son of the company’s listed owner, did not respond to several requests for comment. The elder al-Umran also did not respond to messages from CPJ. Al-Haramain was not on a U.S. terrorist watch list at the time, although it was placed there after the September 11 attacks.

Al-Haj is also accused of meeting with and helping secure a visa for reputed al-Qaeda founder Mamdouh Mahmoud Salim, who was extradited to the United States on conspiracy charges stemming from the 1998 bombings of two U.S. embassies in Africa. Salim was convicted in 2004 of maiming a Manhattan corrections officer.

Military officials also say al-Haj falsified Romat International documents as a way to establish a corporation in Azerbaijan. Investigators allege Salim was affiliated with Romat, but provide no details about Salim’s role or the intent of the alleged scheme.

On their face, other accusations appear to be an indictment of al-Haj’s journalistic work. At his 2005 Administrative Review Board hearing, military officials said al-Haj had “interviewed several Taliban officials” and top al-Qaeda figure Abu Hafs al-Mauritani while in Afghanistan.

The U.S. government’s classified file could include other allegations, but such accusations, if any, have not been disclosed to the public, al-Haj, or Stafford Smith.


n a January 2005 report in The Wall Street Journal, U.S. commanders acknowledged that many Guantanamo detainees are not a threat and likely have no valuable intelligence about al-Qaeda or the Taliban.

Stafford Smith said his client did nothing wrong and has no involvement with terror groups. He said al-Haj traveled to Azerbaijan for family and business reasons, delivering money for his boss to Islamic charities on one, or possibly two occasions.

“At the time Sami didn’t know what it was for,” said Stafford Smith, who said his client acted solely on his boss’ instructions. “He thought it was going to charity.” On one occasion, when he was carrying US$220,000 to Azerbaijan, al-Haj declared the cash to customs officials, the lawyer said.

The defense lawyer said his client picked up Salim at an airport on one occasion, and drove his family around Dubai another time, both at his boss’ direction. Stafford Smith said that al-Haj helped secure a visa to the United Arab Emirates, not for Salim, but for Salim’s relatives, again at the behest of his employer&quot;

He had been id&#039;d as a courier in the late 90&#039;s to armed Islamic groups (on an international watch list)and then turns up in Afghanistan and is not allowed into pakistan by the Intel arm of the Govt. for connections to whatever.  He had contact with and had taped OBL.

He may just be a dupe for his old boss and totally innocent, I&#039;m just not sure.
Those were the circumstances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Esra&#8217;a,<br />
I&#8217;m not overly familiar with this but&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;One prime allegation is that al-Haj served as a financial courier for Chechen rebels and other armed groups in the Caucuses, delivering large sums of cash from the United Arab Emirates to Azerbaijan on several occasions between 1996 and 2000. Azerbaijan was a known transfer point for arms and materiel in support of Chechen armed groups.</p>
<p>U.S. officials allege that al-Haj made cash deliveries on behalf of his boss at Union Beverages, Abdel Latif al-Umran, to the Baku branch of the Islamic charity Al-Haramain. Al-Umran, son of the company’s listed owner, did not respond to several requests for comment. The elder al-Umran also did not respond to messages from CPJ. Al-Haramain was not on a U.S. terrorist watch list at the time, although it was placed there after the September 11 attacks.</p>
<p>Al-Haj is also accused of meeting with and helping secure a visa for reputed al-Qaeda founder Mamdouh Mahmoud Salim, who was extradited to the United States on conspiracy charges stemming from the 1998 bombings of two U.S. embassies in Africa. Salim was convicted in 2004 of maiming a Manhattan corrections officer.</p>
<p>Military officials also say al-Haj falsified Romat International documents as a way to establish a corporation in Azerbaijan. Investigators allege Salim was affiliated with Romat, but provide no details about Salim’s role or the intent of the alleged scheme.</p>
<p>On their face, other accusations appear to be an indictment of al-Haj’s journalistic work. At his 2005 Administrative Review Board hearing, military officials said al-Haj had “interviewed several Taliban officials” and top al-Qaeda figure Abu Hafs al-Mauritani while in Afghanistan.</p>
<p>The U.S. government’s classified file could include other allegations, but such accusations, if any, have not been disclosed to the public, al-Haj, or Stafford Smith.</p>
<p>n a January 2005 report in The Wall Street Journal, U.S. commanders acknowledged that many Guantanamo detainees are not a threat and likely have no valuable intelligence about al-Qaeda or the Taliban.</p>
<p>Stafford Smith said his client did nothing wrong and has no involvement with terror groups. He said al-Haj traveled to Azerbaijan for family and business reasons, delivering money for his boss to Islamic charities on one, or possibly two occasions.</p>
<p>“At the time Sami didn’t know what it was for,” said Stafford Smith, who said his client acted solely on his boss’ instructions. “He thought it was going to charity.” On one occasion, when he was carrying US$220,000 to Azerbaijan, al-Haj declared the cash to customs officials, the lawyer said.</p>
<p>The defense lawyer said his client picked up Salim at an airport on one occasion, and drove his family around Dubai another time, both at his boss’ direction. Stafford Smith said that al-Haj helped secure a visa to the United Arab Emirates, not for Salim, but for Salim’s relatives, again at the behest of his employer&#8221;</p>
<p>He had been id&#8217;d as a courier in the late 90&#8242;s to armed Islamic groups (on an international watch list)and then turns up in Afghanistan and is not allowed into pakistan by the Intel arm of the Govt. for connections to whatever.  He had contact with and had taped OBL.</p>
<p>He may just be a dupe for his old boss and totally innocent, I&#8217;m just not sure.<br />
Those were the circumstances.</p>
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		<title>By: Esra'a (Bahrain)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Esra'a (Bahrain)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps the next time you bother writing another comment full of &quot;shit&quot; and &quot;my ass,&quot; you can first work on your reading comprehension skills.
&lt;blockquote&gt;The kid murdered someone. He murdered a soldier, a medic. A highly respected person. Innocent, my ass. He was caught red-handed.  &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Not a single person here said that this kid is innocent. We are questioning this whole terrorist and racist procedure, the treatment of minors, and the innocent lives that were ruined, like that of Al Jazeera&#039;s cameraman Sami which I have discussed here and linked to. Tell me what this man was accused of and why he was held without charge for 5 years while he was simply trying to do his job. Otherwise, try reading the thread more extensively before you write another comment defending something you don&#039;t even get.

I&#039;ll try next time not to bother with your remarks. But the shallow way you address others is getting quite tedious and is getting more and more annoying to have to swift through.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the next time you bother writing another comment full of &#8220;shit&#8221; and &#8220;my ass,&#8221; you can first work on your reading comprehension skills.</p>
<blockquote><p>The kid murdered someone. He murdered a soldier, a medic. A highly respected person. Innocent, my ass. He was caught red-handed.  </p></blockquote>
<p>Not a single person here said that this kid is innocent. We are questioning this whole terrorist and racist procedure, the treatment of minors, and the innocent lives that were ruined, like that of Al Jazeera&#8217;s cameraman Sami which I have discussed here and linked to. Tell me what this man was accused of and why he was held without charge for 5 years while he was simply trying to do his job. Otherwise, try reading the thread more extensively before you write another comment defending something you don&#8217;t even get.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll try next time not to bother with your remarks. But the shallow way you address others is getting quite tedious and is getting more and more annoying to have to swift through.</p>
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		<title>By: Esra'a (Bahrain)</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/07/20/when-the-us-government-has-the-right-to-torture-minors/#comment-20500</link>
		<dc:creator>Esra'a (Bahrain)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Gitmo is the BEST protection the little shit ever had.  &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Do us all a favor and take your own advice:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Get some reality in your life!&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Gitmo is the BEST protection the little shit ever had.  </p></blockquote>
<p>Do us all a favor and take your own advice:</p>
<blockquote><p>Get some reality in your life!</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Tonto (USA)</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/07/20/when-the-us-government-has-the-right-to-torture-minors/#comment-20499</link>
		<dc:creator>Tonto (USA)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really think you misunderstand.  If this kid was in an American prison, he&#039;d be some body&#039;s &quot;punk&quot; and soon be wearing high heels and a dress. That is if he didn&#039;t suddenly get dead.  The guys we have in jail here kill/do whatever they want, whenever they want, because they have nothing to lose....what are they going to do to them? Those guys make badasses look like sissys. Give them another life sentence?  The kid murdered someone. He murdered a soldier, a medic. A highly respected person. Innocent, my ass. He was caught red-handed.  Gitmo is the BEST protection the little shit ever had.  The US Army is keeping him alive, preventing him from being punked, feeding him &quot;halal&quot;, alowing him much more freedom than he would get in a real prison, and generally, his life is better than the one he had in Afghanistan. Do you think a 13 yr old kid hanging with the taliban wasn&#039;t being punked? Get some reality in your life!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really think you misunderstand.  If this kid was in an American prison, he&#8217;d be some body&#8217;s &#8220;punk&#8221; and soon be wearing high heels and a dress. That is if he didn&#8217;t suddenly get dead.  The guys we have in jail here kill/do whatever they want, whenever they want, because they have nothing to lose&#8230;.what are they going to do to them? Those guys make badasses look like sissys. Give them another life sentence?  The kid murdered someone. He murdered a soldier, a medic. A highly respected person. Innocent, my ass. He was caught red-handed.  Gitmo is the BEST protection the little shit ever had.  The US Army is keeping him alive, preventing him from being punked, feeding him &#8220;halal&#8221;, alowing him much more freedom than he would get in a real prison, and generally, his life is better than the one he had in Afghanistan. Do you think a 13 yr old kid hanging with the taliban wasn&#8217;t being punked? Get some reality in your life!</p>
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		<title>By: Esra'a (Bahrain)</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/07/20/when-the-us-government-has-the-right-to-torture-minors/#comment-20498</link>
		<dc:creator>Esra'a (Bahrain)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 07:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Screw that little whiner.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
They said that too about every single innocent prisoner in that sorry excuse for a terrorist center (yes, Gitmo.) So much for human rights in the &quot;great nation.&quot;

&lt;blockquote&gt;so he should be bad ass enough to put up with an imprisonment he so justly deserves.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
A minor American murderer would have never suffered the same fate. But I guess for those backwards Muslims, Arabs and Pakistanis, everything is deserved.

Guantanamo is WAY worse than just any &quot;imprisonment,&quot; especially for all the kids in it, some of which I&#039;m sure are completely innocent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Screw that little whiner.</p></blockquote>
<p>They said that too about every single innocent prisoner in that sorry excuse for a terrorist center (yes, Gitmo.) So much for human rights in the &#8220;great nation.&#8221;</p>
<blockquote><p>so he should be bad ass enough to put up with an imprisonment he so justly deserves.</p></blockquote>
<p>A minor American murderer would have never suffered the same fate. But I guess for those backwards Muslims, Arabs and Pakistanis, everything is deserved.</p>
<p>Guantanamo is WAY worse than just any &#8220;imprisonment,&#8221; especially for all the kids in it, some of which I&#8217;m sure are completely innocent.</p>
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		<title>By: Tonto (USA)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tonto (USA)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 02:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually the little prick is lucky to be alive. The Americans are treating him as well as any POW, and he has all his rights and religious needs met.  He&#039;s bad ass enough to kill a medic(protected under Geneva Convention, and killing him would be a prosecutable offence if he actually belonged to an army instead of a terrorist cell) so he should be bad ass enough to put up with an imprisonment he so justly deserves. Screw that little whiner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually the little prick is lucky to be alive. The Americans are treating him as well as any POW, and he has all his rights and religious needs met.  He&#8217;s bad ass enough to kill a medic(protected under Geneva Convention, and killing him would be a prosecutable offence if he actually belonged to an army instead of a terrorist cell) so he should be bad ass enough to put up with an imprisonment he so justly deserves. Screw that little whiner.</p>
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