Comments on: Arab American journalist arrested outside GOP Convention in St. Paul http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/09/01/arab-american-journalist-arrested-outside-gop-convention-in-st-paul/ Thinking Ahead Sat, 11 Feb 2012 20:46:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Recent Links Tagged With "rights" - JabberTags http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/09/01/arab-american-journalist-arrested-outside-gop-convention-in-st-paul/#comment-21025 Recent Links Tagged With "rights" - JabberTags Sat, 01 Nov 2008 12:49:13 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/09/01/arab-american-journalist-arrested-outside-gop-convention-in-st-paul/#comment-21025 [...] >> rights Walking in Memphis with My Feet 10 Feet Off of Beale Saved by dvc on Fri 31-10-2008 Arab American journalist arrested outside GOP Convention in St. Paul Saved by snafu on Fri 31-10-2008 Proposition 2 Saved by Y0UTUBEtheater on Thu 30-10-2008 [...] [...] >> rights Walking in Memphis with My Feet 10 Feet Off of Beale Saved by dvc on Fri 31-10-2008 Arab American journalist arrested outside GOP Convention in St. Paul Saved by snafu on Fri 31-10-2008 Proposition 2 Saved by Y0UTUBEtheater on Thu 30-10-2008 [...]

]]> By: patb http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/09/01/arab-american-journalist-arrested-outside-gop-convention-in-st-paul/#comment-21024 patb Wed, 03 Sep 2008 02:05:49 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/09/01/arab-american-journalist-arrested-outside-gop-convention-in-st-paul/#comment-21024 Ray, I reread my first comment (second part) and I did make it personal, so that's partially valid, but I was commenting on your perspective and your headlines reflect that...I didn't think it insulting though, just an observation. Ray,
I reread my first comment (second part) and I did make it personal, so that’s partially valid, but I was commenting on your perspective and your headlines reflect that…I didn’t think it insulting though, just an observation.

]]> By: patb http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/09/01/arab-american-journalist-arrested-outside-gop-convention-in-st-paul/#comment-21023 patb Wed, 03 Sep 2008 01:36:30 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/09/01/arab-american-journalist-arrested-outside-gop-convention-in-st-paul/#comment-21023 Ray, Reread my first comment, it says nothing personal about you, I just posted my thoughts about the issue. Then reread your first comment to me....I'm a hater and racist. I believe you made this personal Ray. I keep it in context though, I think I have your number now. De Oppresso Liber my friend....that is what MF meant isn't it? Ray,
Reread my first comment, it says nothing personal about you, I just posted my thoughts about the issue.
Then reread your first comment to me….I’m a hater and racist.
I believe you made this personal Ray.
I keep it in context though, I think I have your number now.
De Oppresso Liber my friend….that is what MF meant isn’t it?

]]> By: patb http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/09/01/arab-american-journalist-arrested-outside-gop-convention-in-st-paul/#comment-21022 patb Wed, 03 Sep 2008 01:31:39 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/09/01/arab-american-journalist-arrested-outside-gop-convention-in-st-paul/#comment-21022 Ray, I am not going to give you a hard time for your service. I'm glad you served but you implied RVN service not Vietnam era war service. Your intent was to bully one you thought had no service and therefore no right to speak to one that had. I do not stoop to that level. Regardless Ray I am 58, the last two years of my service in Astan were as an advisor to the Afghan 205th Corps in Kandahar (prior 18zf1w8) but initially was an 11B2P assigned to the 25th ID in III Corps and then a MACV advisor in II Corps (TM 21 in Pleiku, the old french compound). Your handling of my comments, both the racist attack (something you say you are against as a champion of rights) and the chest puffing episode are indicitive of your journalistic style. In simpler terms I'd seriously have to vet whatever you write. Ray,
I am not going to give you a hard time for your service. I’m glad you served but you implied RVN service not Vietnam era war service.
Your intent was to bully one you thought had no service and therefore no right to speak to one that had. I do not stoop to that level.
Regardless Ray I am 58, the last two years of my service in Astan were as an advisor to the Afghan 205th Corps in Kandahar (prior 18zf1w8) but initially was an 11B2P assigned to the 25th ID in III Corps and then a MACV advisor in II Corps (TM 21 in Pleiku, the old french compound).
Your handling of my comments, both the racist attack (something you say you are against as a champion of rights) and the chest puffing episode are indicitive of your journalistic style.
In simpler terms I’d seriously have to vet whatever you write.

]]> By: Jessica M. (USA) http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/09/01/arab-american-journalist-arrested-outside-gop-convention-in-st-paul/#comment-21021 Jessica M. (USA) Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:32:41 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/09/01/arab-american-journalist-arrested-outside-gop-convention-in-st-paul/#comment-21021 and, Ray, as a human rights activist, I have spoken out about the arrests of many journalists (Arab included). My point remains that the fact that the journalist who is a subject of your post is Arab had NOTHING to do with why he was arrested, and yet you made it seem that way. Defending this point by saying the forum of MEY allows it, and that other associations do it to, does not make it right. and, Ray, as a human rights activist, I have spoken out about the arrests of many journalists (Arab included). My point remains that the fact that the journalist who is a subject of your post is Arab had NOTHING to do with why he was arrested, and yet you made it seem that way. Defending this point by saying the forum of MEY allows it, and that other associations do it to, does not make it right.

]]> By: Jessica M. (USA) http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/09/01/arab-american-journalist-arrested-outside-gop-convention-in-st-paul/#comment-21020 Jessica M. (USA) Tue, 02 Sep 2008 19:51:45 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/09/01/arab-american-journalist-arrested-outside-gop-convention-in-st-paul/#comment-21020 Yes, your statement protested the arrest of all 3 journalists. But your title implied that the arrest was because the one journalist was Arab - which fuels the idea that Americans are anti-Arab. While that certainly is true in some circumstances, this example does not fit that category. Sure, other associations do this too - everyone spins an event to make their own point. The spin is not what bothers me, as most people see right through that. What bothers me is your hypocrisy in that you accuse the right of unfairly spinning the event, where as you obviously did the same. Yes, your statement protested the arrest of all 3 journalists. But your title implied that the arrest was because the one journalist was Arab – which fuels the idea that Americans are anti-Arab. While that certainly is true in some circumstances, this example does not fit that category.

Sure, other associations do this too – everyone spins an event to make their own point. The spin is not what bothers me, as most people see right through that. What bothers me is your hypocrisy in that you accuse the right of unfairly spinning the event, where as you obviously did the same.

]]> By: Ray Hanania http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/09/01/arab-american-journalist-arrested-outside-gop-convention-in-st-paul/#comment-21019 Ray Hanania Tue, 02 Sep 2008 19:40:09 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/09/01/arab-american-journalist-arrested-outside-gop-convention-in-st-paul/#comment-21019 By the way Jessica, our statement protested ALL THREE JOURNALISTS. Again, NAAJA is the National Arab American Journalists Association. (I'm on the Media Watch committee of the Asian American Journalists Association and we focus on unprofessional conduct by the mainstream media against Asians and also Muslims and Arabs. The Native AMerican Journalists Association does the same for Native Americans, the Black Journalists do the same for Black Journalists and so does the Hispanic Journalists association. So why are Arab Americans different? Ray By the way Jessica, our statement protested ALL THREE JOURNALISTS. Again, NAAJA is the National Arab American Journalists Association. (I’m on the Media Watch committee of the Asian American Journalists Association and we focus on unprofessional conduct by the mainstream media against Asians and also Muslims and Arabs.

The Native AMerican Journalists Association does the same for Native Americans, the Black Journalists do the same for Black Journalists and so does the Hispanic Journalists association.

So why are Arab Americans different?

Ray

]]> By: Ray Hanania http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/09/01/arab-american-journalist-arrested-outside-gop-convention-in-st-paul/#comment-21018 Ray Hanania Tue, 02 Sep 2008 19:36:36 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/09/01/arab-american-journalist-arrested-outside-gop-convention-in-st-paul/#comment-21018 Thanks Jessica but my main focus is protecting the rights of Arab American journalists, whether that is or isn't your priority. Arab American journalists are discriminated against every day and NO ONE SPEAKS OUT IN THEIR DEFENSE -- your argument that this is about journalists is great, except that's not really true. When an Arab American is fired from a job, excluded from coverage or arrested, very few mainstream journalism groups speak out in that journalists defense. So, when an Arab American journalists IS arrested, we challenge it and we oppose it. The fact that he was arrested with two other journalists is important too, but his race IS an issue for us and fits into the larger picture which apparently does not concern you. Tell me when you have spoken out against the arrest, the firing, or retribution against another Arab American journalist? This is an ARAB AMERICAN/MIDDLE EAST WEB SITE and we focus on the Middle East angle on everything as it applies to larger principles. :) As for PatB. You are full of crap. I really doubt that you served in RVN. I served during the Vietnam War and was ready to be shipped. Unlike Bush, I had no control over where I was sent and your pathetic cheap shots are typical of alleged soldiers like you. The fact is I was ready to serve and willing to serve and because of the Military did not go overseas and served stateside. Yet still, unless you are over 50, you can still join the Army and fight in Iraq. I hear they need volunteers. By the way, don't bother complainign about me criticizing you personally. The fact is you made this and every posting personal because you CAN NEVER address any issue with attacking the writer as you did in your first post above going after me. I'm not thinned skinned but I don't take crap from people like you either. Sempre Fi M-F. Ray Hanania Thanks Jessica but my main focus is protecting the rights of Arab American journalists, whether that is or isn’t your priority. Arab American journalists are discriminated against every day and NO ONE SPEAKS OUT IN THEIR DEFENSE — your argument that this is about journalists is great, except that’s not really true. When an Arab American is fired from a job, excluded from coverage or arrested, very few mainstream journalism groups speak out in that journalists defense.

So, when an Arab American journalists IS arrested, we challenge it and we oppose it. The fact that he was arrested with two other journalists is important too, but his race IS an issue for us and fits into the larger picture which apparently does not concern you. Tell me when you have spoken out against the arrest, the firing, or retribution against another Arab American journalist?

This is an ARAB AMERICAN/MIDDLE EAST WEB SITE and we focus on the Middle East angle on everything as it applies to larger principles. :)

As for PatB. You are full of crap. I really doubt that you served in RVN. I served during the Vietnam War and was ready to be shipped. Unlike Bush, I had no control over where I was sent and your pathetic cheap shots are typical of alleged soldiers like you. The fact is I was ready to serve and willing to serve and because of the Military did not go overseas and served stateside. Yet still, unless you are over 50, you can still join the Army and fight in Iraq. I hear they need volunteers.

By the way, don’t bother complainign about me criticizing you personally. The fact is you made this and every posting personal because you CAN NEVER address any issue with attacking the writer as you did in your first post above going after me. I’m not thinned skinned but I don’t take crap from people like you either. Sempre Fi M-F.

Ray Hanania

]]> By: Jessica M. http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/09/01/arab-american-journalist-arrested-outside-gop-convention-in-st-paul/#comment-21017 Jessica M. Tue, 02 Sep 2008 19:27:10 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/09/01/arab-american-journalist-arrested-outside-gop-convention-in-st-paul/#comment-21017 Ray, These arrests are not a case of anit-Arab bias - but as your headline implies, the only "important" factor about these 3 journalists who were arrested is that one was Arab American. As you note in your comment, in addition to the Arab journalist, one journalist was Jewish and one was Hispanic. Your headline does not read "3 Journalists Arrested in a violation of free speech" or "Hispanic journalist arrested" or "Jewish journalist arrested" but rather "Arab American journalist..." therefore you were the first to imply the Arab or non-Arab American distinction. An unlawful arrest is an unlawful arrest, regardless of the arrested's race, religion, ethnicity, ect. Please do not make this into something that it is not, otherwise you are no better than the "rightwing fanatics who mix everything to make their point." Ray,

These arrests are not a case of anit-Arab bias – but as your headline implies, the only “important” factor about these 3 journalists who were arrested is that one was Arab American.

As you note in your comment, in addition to the Arab journalist, one journalist was Jewish and one was Hispanic. Your headline does not read “3 Journalists Arrested in a violation of free speech” or “Hispanic journalist arrested” or “Jewish journalist arrested” but rather “Arab American journalist…” therefore you were the first to imply the Arab or non-Arab American distinction.

An unlawful arrest is an unlawful arrest, regardless of the arrested’s race, religion, ethnicity, ect.

Please do not make this into something that it is not, otherwise you are no better than the “rightwing fanatics who mix everything to make their point.”

]]> By: patb http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/09/01/arab-american-journalist-arrested-outside-gop-convention-in-st-paul/#comment-21016 patb Tue, 02 Sep 2008 19:23:55 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/09/01/arab-american-journalist-arrested-outside-gop-convention-in-st-paul/#comment-21016 Ray, Your tagging me a racist to discredit my opinion is rather passe. Actually Ray I spent over 30 years in the service and loved my fellow soldiers. As you know the military is the most successfully integrated (long before general society) institution in our country. I've served with too many fine fine Americans of all ethnicity and background to harbor ill will on that account. I find that you are, though, preoccupied by racial issues and are so very quick to render every issue down to the that medium you like to work in. I don't know that you are a journalist reporting events but rather a commentator pushing a point of view under the guise of simply reporting. Esra'a, I am a nationalist, can't help it, always have been. I don't quite see the reality of the one world order just yet. Ray,
Your tagging me a racist to discredit my opinion is rather passe.
Actually Ray I spent over 30 years in the service and loved my fellow soldiers. As you know the military is the most successfully integrated (long before general society) institution in our country.
I’ve served with too many fine fine Americans of all ethnicity and background to harbor ill will on that account.
I find that you are, though, preoccupied by racial issues and are so very quick to render every issue down to the that medium you like to work in.
I don’t know that you are a journalist reporting events but rather a commentator pushing a point of view under the guise of simply reporting.
Esra’a,
I am a nationalist, can’t help it, always have been. I don’t quite see the reality of the one world order just yet.

]]>