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	<title>Comments on: Sen. John McCain protects his father&#8217;s role in the massacre of Americans on the U.S.S. Liberty June 8, 1967</title>
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		<title>By: Speedstick</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/10/12/sen-john-mccain-protects-his-fathers-role-in-the-massacre-of-americans-on-the-uss-liberty-june-8-1967/#comment-227746</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 04:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not disputing about John mccains father being part of a cover up when it comes USS liberty.  What I&#039;m disputing is that John McCain Jr. was in charge of US forces during the gulf of tolkin incident.  That is a complete lie because between 1963 he was assigned to the atlantic theater.  Gulf of tolkin took place in 1964 in the pacific, John McCain Jr. did not take command of a pacific theater or any of its forces until 1968 and was not.  Ray assertion that John McCain was part of the Gulf of tolkin incident is a complete lie!  There is no disputing Esra that Ray here is lieing through his teeth about John McCain Jr. being apart of the Gulf of tolkin incident or that he was part of johnson lie about the gulf of tolkin incident.

Now as to the USS liberty, the problem here is that John McCain Jr.  was never in discussion with vice admiral of the sixth fleet when it came to revoking orders of the rescue planes, those came directly from the pentagon from Chief of Naval Operations, Admiral David L. McDonald.  The sixth fleet commander was never arguing with John McCain Jr. about defending the USS liberty considering he was already talking to John McCain Jr. Senior officer Chief of Naval Operations, Admiral David L. McDonald.  So why bother talking to John McCain Jr.  when your talking to Chief of naval operations.

Here is Jim Ennes also known as james ennes and is a USS liberty survior has written books on the USS liberty incident and is also those who have spoken up about the cover up.

&quot;next extraordinary event of the Liberty saga is what Jim Ennes calls the &quot;bungled rescue.&quot;[53] According to the Liberty men, the first response to the crew&#039;s radio calls for help came at 1505 hours, an hour and five minutes after the attack began.[54] The message fom the commander of the Sixth Fleet read: &quot;YOUR FLASH TRAFFIC RECEIVED. SENDING AIRCRAFT TO COVER YOU. SURFACE UNITS ON THE WAY. KEEP SITREPS COMING.&quot;[55] The first four rescue flights came from the USS America. According to the ship log and a chief petty officer of the USS America, two of the F-4 Phantom jets deployed were of a specific breed known as &quot;ready&quot; jets. The term &quot;ready&quot; indicates that a jet has been assigned an elite pilot, is prepared for any scenario, and is equipped with many weapons including nuclear weapons.[56] There is no official recognition that the jets launched to protect the Liberty actually carried nuclear weapons or were authorized to use such weapons.[57] As Ennes explained, there is evidence that &quot;ready aircraft, which normally carry nuclear weapons, were launched toward Liberty, and that the Pentagon reacted with anger bordering on hysteria.&quot;[58] When word of the rescue flights reached Washington the jets were ordered to turn around immediately. Chief of Naval Operations, Admiral David L. McDonald patched through to the Six Fleet and roared, &quot;You get those (swearword) airplanes back on deck, and you get them back now.&quot;[59] The jets pilots did as they were told.&quot;

http://www.ussliberty.org/macdonald.htm

As you can see according to Jim ennes, the Sixth fleet commander was not arguing with John McCain Jr. about sending rescue forces to the liberty, and the orders to send the rescue forces back were not given by John McCain Jr.  but by Chief of Naval Operations, Admiral David L. McDonald who outranks John McCain Jr.  and considering the possibility that those rescue planes carried nuclear weapons it would make sense that the CNO would be directly involved and would be the one who gave the orders to not send the rescue planes.

Which means is this we are in a dispute over who is telling the truth Jim Ennes a USS liberty survivor and  Barack Obama supporter or Ray Hanania.

Esra I think it&#039;s fair that we demand Ray Hanania to reveal his sources of information that John McCain Jr. was involved in the Gulf of tolkin incident and that John McCain Jr.  was arguing with the commander of the US sixth fleet about sending rescue party and that John Mccain Jr. was also the one who gave the orders to revoke the rescue operation.  My source claims it was the CNO, who outranks John McCain Jr., that revoked such rescue operations and it was the CNO that the US sixth fleet commander was arguing with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not disputing about John mccains father being part of a cover up when it comes USS liberty.  What I&#8217;m disputing is that John McCain Jr. was in charge of US forces during the gulf of tolkin incident.  That is a complete lie because between 1963 he was assigned to the atlantic theater.  Gulf of tolkin took place in 1964 in the pacific, John McCain Jr. did not take command of a pacific theater or any of its forces until 1968 and was not.  Ray assertion that John McCain was part of the Gulf of tolkin incident is a complete lie!  There is no disputing Esra that Ray here is lieing through his teeth about John McCain Jr. being apart of the Gulf of tolkin incident or that he was part of johnson lie about the gulf of tolkin incident.</p>
<p>Now as to the USS liberty, the problem here is that John McCain Jr.  was never in discussion with vice admiral of the sixth fleet when it came to revoking orders of the rescue planes, those came directly from the pentagon from Chief of Naval Operations, Admiral David L. McDonald.  The sixth fleet commander was never arguing with John McCain Jr. about defending the USS liberty considering he was already talking to John McCain Jr. Senior officer Chief of Naval Operations, Admiral David L. McDonald.  So why bother talking to John McCain Jr.  when your talking to Chief of naval operations.</p>
<p>Here is Jim Ennes also known as james ennes and is a USS liberty survior has written books on the USS liberty incident and is also those who have spoken up about the cover up.</p>
<p>&#8220;next extraordinary event of the Liberty saga is what Jim Ennes calls the &#8220;bungled rescue.&#8221;[53] According to the Liberty men, the first response to the crew&#8217;s radio calls for help came at 1505 hours, an hour and five minutes after the attack began.[54] The message fom the commander of the Sixth Fleet read: &#8220;YOUR FLASH TRAFFIC RECEIVED. SENDING AIRCRAFT TO COVER YOU. SURFACE UNITS ON THE WAY. KEEP SITREPS COMING.&#8221;[55] The first four rescue flights came from the USS America. According to the ship log and a chief petty officer of the USS America, two of the F-4 Phantom jets deployed were of a specific breed known as &#8220;ready&#8221; jets. The term &#8220;ready&#8221; indicates that a jet has been assigned an elite pilot, is prepared for any scenario, and is equipped with many weapons including nuclear weapons.[56] There is no official recognition that the jets launched to protect the Liberty actually carried nuclear weapons or were authorized to use such weapons.[57] As Ennes explained, there is evidence that &#8220;ready aircraft, which normally carry nuclear weapons, were launched toward Liberty, and that the Pentagon reacted with anger bordering on hysteria.&#8221;[58] When word of the rescue flights reached Washington the jets were ordered to turn around immediately. Chief of Naval Operations, Admiral David L. McDonald patched through to the Six Fleet and roared, &#8220;You get those (swearword) airplanes back on deck, and you get them back now.&#8221;[59] The jets pilots did as they were told.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ussliberty.org/macdonald.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.ussliberty.org/macdonald.htm</a></p>
<p>As you can see according to Jim ennes, the Sixth fleet commander was not arguing with John McCain Jr. about sending rescue forces to the liberty, and the orders to send the rescue forces back were not given by John McCain Jr.  but by Chief of Naval Operations, Admiral David L. McDonald who outranks John McCain Jr.  and considering the possibility that those rescue planes carried nuclear weapons it would make sense that the CNO would be directly involved and would be the one who gave the orders to not send the rescue planes.</p>
<p>Which means is this we are in a dispute over who is telling the truth Jim Ennes a USS liberty survivor and  Barack Obama supporter or Ray Hanania.</p>
<p>Esra I think it&#8217;s fair that we demand Ray Hanania to reveal his sources of information that John McCain Jr. was involved in the Gulf of tolkin incident and that John McCain Jr.  was arguing with the commander of the US sixth fleet about sending rescue party and that John Mccain Jr. was also the one who gave the orders to revoke the rescue operation.  My source claims it was the CNO, who outranks John McCain Jr., that revoked such rescue operations and it was the CNO that the US sixth fleet commander was arguing with.</p>
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		<title>By: Esra'a (Bahrain)</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/10/12/sen-john-mccain-protects-his-fathers-role-in-the-massacre-of-americans-on-the-uss-liberty-june-8-1967/#comment-227678</link>
		<dc:creator>Esra'a (Bahrain)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 21:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Readers of this post may also wish to read &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dissidentvoice.org/July2004/Hughes0712.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this report,&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/ynotrehciw/gG5G2P&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this post&lt;/a&gt; by Phil Tourney, survivor of the USS Liberty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Readers of this post may also wish to read <a href="http://www.dissidentvoice.org/July2004/Hughes0712.htm" rel="nofollow">this report,</a> and <a href="http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/ynotrehciw/gG5G2P" rel="nofollow">this post</a> by Phil Tourney, survivor of the USS Liberty.</p>
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		<title>By: Esra'a (Bahrain)</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/10/12/sen-john-mccain-protects-his-fathers-role-in-the-massacre-of-americans-on-the-uss-liberty-june-8-1967/#comment-227676</link>
		<dc:creator>Esra'a (Bahrain)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 21:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ecorgirl, I wonder why, instead of respectfully refuting anyone&#039;s argument here you often accuse people of &quot;propaganda&quot; and resorting to hateful attacks. You accuse him of having a political agenda. Because you don&#039;t, with your identical comments? Because your comments here are so ethical with words like &quot;liar,&quot; &quot;pathetic,&quot; &quot;wannabe journalist&quot; and &quot;propagandist&quot;?

Ray is spreading &quot;propaganda&quot; on behalf of whom? How do you know his goal? &quot;You just decided and then report it as fact.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ecorgirl, I wonder why, instead of respectfully refuting anyone&#8217;s argument here you often accuse people of &#8220;propaganda&#8221; and resorting to hateful attacks. You accuse him of having a political agenda. Because you don&#8217;t, with your identical comments? Because your comments here are so ethical with words like &#8220;liar,&#8221; &#8220;pathetic,&#8221; &#8220;wannabe journalist&#8221; and &#8220;propagandist&#8221;?</p>
<p>Ray is spreading &#8220;propaganda&#8221; on behalf of whom? How do you know his goal? &#8220;You just decided and then report it as fact.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: someone</title>
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		<dc:creator>someone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 20:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Technically the gulf of tonkin incident did happen, only the first incident august 2nd really took place, the second incident on august 4th was distorted and John mccains dad had nothing to do with the gulf of tonkin incident because if you bothered to research what your talking about the gulf of tonkin incident happend in 1964, John S. McCain Jr didn&#039;t assume command of USA forces in the pacific until 1968 your a full 4 years off.  The admiral of US naval forces at the Gulf of tolkin was admiral George Stephen Morrison

Now lets move onto your next lie, the USS liberty:

As war broke out Captain William L. McGonagle of the Liberty immediately asked Vice Admiral William I. Martin at the U.S. 6th Fleet headquarters to send a destroyer to accompany the Liberty and serve as its armed escort and as an auxiliary communications center.

The following day, June 6, Admiral Martin replied: “Liberty is a clearly marked United States ship in international waters, not a participant in the conflict and not a reasonable subject for attack by any nation. Request denied.” 

So how in gods name is John S. McCain Jr if he wasn&#039;t in charge of the USS liberty or the US sixth fleet.

I move that this post by Ray Hanania be deleted for the sole purpose that every allegation made in this post is basically a complete lie when it comes John S. McCain Jr. and his command, John McCain Jr. was not in charge of US forces in vietnam, John McCain Jr.  Had no command over the US sixth fleet not to mention the orders did not come from him to not send any type of escort to the USS liberty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Technically the gulf of tonkin incident did happen, only the first incident august 2nd really took place, the second incident on august 4th was distorted and John mccains dad had nothing to do with the gulf of tonkin incident because if you bothered to research what your talking about the gulf of tonkin incident happend in 1964, John S. McCain Jr didn&#8217;t assume command of USA forces in the pacific until 1968 your a full 4 years off.  The admiral of US naval forces at the Gulf of tolkin was admiral George Stephen Morrison</p>
<p>Now lets move onto your next lie, the USS liberty:</p>
<p>As war broke out Captain William L. McGonagle of the Liberty immediately asked Vice Admiral William I. Martin at the U.S. 6th Fleet headquarters to send a destroyer to accompany the Liberty and serve as its armed escort and as an auxiliary communications center.</p>
<p>The following day, June 6, Admiral Martin replied: “Liberty is a clearly marked United States ship in international waters, not a participant in the conflict and not a reasonable subject for attack by any nation. Request denied.” </p>
<p>So how in gods name is John S. McCain Jr if he wasn&#8217;t in charge of the USS liberty or the US sixth fleet.</p>
<p>I move that this post by Ray Hanania be deleted for the sole purpose that every allegation made in this post is basically a complete lie when it comes John S. McCain Jr. and his command, John McCain Jr. was not in charge of US forces in vietnam, John McCain Jr.  Had no command over the US sixth fleet not to mention the orders did not come from him to not send any type of escort to the USS liberty.</p>
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		<title>By: Ecogirl1818</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ecogirl1818</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 20:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Their goal was to kill every last American on the U.S.S. Liberty as it became apparent to the Israelis that their plan to destroy and sink the Liberty had failed, that there were witnesses and that they feared the massacre of Americans would result in destroying their relationship with the United States.&quot;

This is really pathetic, and indicative of a smarmy wannabe journalist. How stupid do you think people are? 

How do you know this was their goal? You just decided and then report it as fact.

How do you know what they feared? You just decided and then report it as fact.

You want us to believe you personally know the intimate thoughts and motives of the Israelis, and then you have the collosal nerve to claim the judge who wrote the book absolving Israel of the Liberty incident is a propagandist? WTF are you? A soothsayer who just so happens to know what went on in the minds of people you&#039;ve never met? 

Ray Hanania, you are a liar hellbent on spreading propaganda. You can&#039;t prove anything you said. You only have allegations that you desperately try to pass off as facts. You have no honor, and clearly have shunned common journalistic ethics in order to promote your own political agenda. Disgusting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Their goal was to kill every last American on the U.S.S. Liberty as it became apparent to the Israelis that their plan to destroy and sink the Liberty had failed, that there were witnesses and that they feared the massacre of Americans would result in destroying their relationship with the United States.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is really pathetic, and indicative of a smarmy wannabe journalist. How stupid do you think people are? </p>
<p>How do you know this was their goal? You just decided and then report it as fact.</p>
<p>How do you know what they feared? You just decided and then report it as fact.</p>
<p>You want us to believe you personally know the intimate thoughts and motives of the Israelis, and then you have the collosal nerve to claim the judge who wrote the book absolving Israel of the Liberty incident is a propagandist? WTF are you? A soothsayer who just so happens to know what went on in the minds of people you&#8217;ve never met? </p>
<p>Ray Hanania, you are a liar hellbent on spreading propaganda. You can&#8217;t prove anything you said. You only have allegations that you desperately try to pass off as facts. You have no honor, and clearly have shunned common journalistic ethics in order to promote your own political agenda. Disgusting.</p>
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