Comments on: I am ashamed http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/12/16/i-am-ashamed/ Thinking Ahead Sat, 11 Feb 2012 20:46:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: joan mckniff http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/12/16/i-am-ashamed/#comment-21888 joan mckniff Mon, 12 Jan 2009 05:19:20 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/12/16/i-am-ashamed/#comment-21888 Eva, you are brave and wise. Thank you. Eva, you are brave and wise. Thank you.

]]> By: elinor(Iran) http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/12/16/i-am-ashamed/#comment-21887 elinor(Iran) Sat, 27 Dec 2008 22:08:51 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/12/16/i-am-ashamed/#comment-21887 It is really sad to hear about the current clashes, it is enough to make one feel hopeless about the things we assume would one day replace the current state of affairs over the Middle East. The change is a gradual process, one should really try to focus on very far fetching ideals to handle the situation and keep being motivated for calling for peace. Having faith in G-d and his encompassing power over the people might make one try to keep faith in that one day that might arive and people not shooting people in our region. Amen It is really sad to hear about the current clashes, it is enough to make one feel hopeless about the things we assume would one day replace the current state of affairs over the Middle East. The change is a gradual process, one should really try to focus on very far fetching ideals to handle the situation and keep being motivated for calling for peace. Having faith in G-d and his encompassing power over the people might make one try to keep faith in that one day that might arive and people not shooting people in our region. Amen

]]> By: Heimo http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/12/16/i-am-ashamed/#comment-21886 Heimo Sat, 27 Dec 2008 21:45:36 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/12/16/i-am-ashamed/#comment-21886 <blockquote>I’ve heard Palestinians say many times: “If they want to stay, they are welcome, as citizens of a Palestinian State”</blockquote> good to hear this! <blockquote>And concerning Gaza - there are Jews living in Gaza.. How many? I don’t know - but some, I’m totally sure about it, having heard it from my closest Gazan friend (who speaks Hebrew, btw.)</blockquote> I'm surprized, I was convinced by all I hear & heard about the situation between Israel & Hamas-lead Gaza, that this would be meanwhile impossible. - But conviction is not always the truth - I always accept getting corrected in facts I don't know already - (& now I'll start googling for some more information about Jews living in Gaza - not that google reveals everything)

I’ve heard Palestinians say many times: “If they want to stay, they are welcome, as citizens of a Palestinian State”

good to hear this!

And concerning Gaza – there are Jews living in Gaza.. How many? I don’t know – but some, I’m totally sure about it, having heard it from my closest Gazan friend (who speaks Hebrew, btw.)

I’m surprized, I was convinced by all I hear & heard about the situation between Israel & Hamas-lead Gaza, that this would be meanwhile impossible. – But conviction is not always the truth – I always accept getting corrected in facts I don’t know already – (& now I’ll start googling for some more information about Jews living in Gaza – not that google reveals everything)

]]> By: Eva (Israel) http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/12/16/i-am-ashamed/#comment-21885 Eva (Israel) Sat, 27 Dec 2008 10:00:22 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/12/16/i-am-ashamed/#comment-21885 Hi all! I apologize for replying so late. I agree with most of what all of you said. Just a few remarks to some comments.. <blockquote>One neo-con friend of mine said that Israel should just withdraw to the determined borders after a peace deal is signed and let the settlers face the judgment of the Palestinians. It might be cruel and irresponsible but some of these settlers are just out of their minds.</blockquote> I never hear/heard someone saying this here - except for myself! I completely agree with that and don't understand why Israel has to forcefully "evacuate" these settlers at all. It would be enough, in my view, to tell them: "We're leaving in 6 month. If you want to stay, fine with us. If you want to leave, you'll get a new house inside of Israel." - I'm told that to leave them "behind" would be cruel... Indeed! But why not just give them a choice instead of "forcing" them out?? To Heimo: <blockquote>but will those settlers ever accept to live under the laws of a Palestinean state & on the other hand: will a Palestinean State ever allow Jews to live as citizens in their country? - I doubt it. - Remember the expulsion of about 800.000 Jews out of Arabic countries, who lived there since centuries. - Does any Jew live in Gaza or would he survive if he would live there? - I deeply doubt it!</blockquote> It might not be as easy as I've heard Palestinians say many times: "If they want to stay, they are welcome, as citizens of a Palestinian State" - But yes, theoretically it would/will be possible - only that I don't "see" exactly these people stay... And concerning Gaza - there are Jews living in Gaza.. How many? I don't know - but some, I'm totally sure about it, having heard it from my closest Gazan friend (who speaks Hebrew, btw.) And Wladimir - thanks for the link!! I know these things "oh-too-well" - but it's good for others to know it as well! :) Hi all!

I apologize for replying so late. I agree with most of what all of you said. Just a few remarks to some comments..

One neo-con friend of mine said that Israel should just withdraw to the determined borders after a peace deal is signed and let the settlers face the judgment of the Palestinians. It might be cruel and irresponsible but some of these settlers are just out of their minds.

I never hear/heard someone saying this here – except for myself! I completely agree with that and don’t understand why Israel has to forcefully “evacuate” these settlers at all. It would be enough, in my view, to tell them: “We’re leaving in 6 month. If you want to stay, fine with us. If you want to leave, you’ll get a new house inside of Israel.” – I’m told that to leave them “behind” would be cruel… Indeed! But why not just give them a choice instead of “forcing” them out??

To Heimo:

but will those settlers ever accept to live under the laws of a Palestinean state & on the other hand: will a Palestinean State ever allow Jews to live as citizens in their country? – I doubt it. – Remember the expulsion of about 800.000 Jews out of Arabic countries, who lived there since centuries. – Does any Jew live in Gaza or would he survive if he would live there? – I deeply doubt it!

It might not be as easy as I’ve heard Palestinians say many times: “If they want to stay, they are welcome, as citizens of a Palestinian State” – But yes, theoretically it would/will be possible – only that I don’t “see” exactly these people stay… And concerning Gaza – there are Jews living in Gaza.. How many? I don’t know – but some, I’m totally sure about it, having heard it from my closest Gazan friend (who speaks Hebrew, btw.)

And Wladimir – thanks for the link!! I know these things “oh-too-well” – but it’s good for others to know it as well! :)

]]> By: Shahrazad (Iran) http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/12/16/i-am-ashamed/#comment-21884 Shahrazad (Iran) Sat, 27 Dec 2008 09:22:53 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/12/16/i-am-ashamed/#comment-21884 Thank you Eva for your post and the good points you've raised. I think as a muslim, i am ashamed too, bcs muslims and their governments are silent too when they see people suffering. I am sure God will send down bad muslims to hell first. BTW, there is something i read in comments that i can not get it. I'd never seen that they call other people of a country who have lived there for centuries as "settlers"! What's this word? It's too much Racism! It happens that many americans also are not proud of their country for the misseries it brought for Iraqis and Afghans or just Americans due to awful economic. But they're considered as American. It happens that there are many Desis in UK or Canada and they call themselves Canadian or British even if their fathers were from Pakistan or India. This wrong view and prejudice to other people is the reason that we have big wars and trouble issues in our world. While our lifestyle is getting more and more modern, we're getting more and more backward. It's also shameful.. Thank you Eva for your post and the good points you’ve raised. I think as a muslim, i am ashamed too, bcs muslims and their governments are silent too when they see people suffering. I am sure God will send down bad muslims to hell first.

BTW, there is something i read in comments that i can not get it. I’d never seen that they call other people of a country who have lived there for centuries as “settlers”! What’s this word? It’s too much Racism!

It happens that many americans also are not proud of their country for the misseries it brought for Iraqis and Afghans or just Americans due to awful economic. But they’re considered as American. It happens that there are many Desis in UK or Canada and they call themselves Canadian or British even if their fathers were from Pakistan or India.

This wrong view and prejudice to other people is the reason that we have big wars and trouble issues in our world. While our lifestyle is getting more and more modern, we’re getting more and more backward.
It’s also shameful..

]]> By: elinor(Iran) http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/12/16/i-am-ashamed/#comment-21883 elinor(Iran) Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:22:49 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/12/16/i-am-ashamed/#comment-21883 Ginanjali, Great books, I wish I could purchase from Iran, it is not possible for now, our G-dfathers need to check and all that, but you can tell with what the website shows and the table of contents that a group of people there have tried systematically to reflect the problems we have in teh Middle East and that is honorable. Ginanjali,
Great books, I wish I could purchase from Iran, it is not possible for now, our G-dfathers need to check and all that, but you can tell with what the website shows and the table of contents that a group of people there have tried systematically to reflect the problems we have in teh Middle East and that is honorable.

]]> By: Gitanjali http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/12/16/i-am-ashamed/#comment-21882 Gitanjali Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:09:11 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/12/16/i-am-ashamed/#comment-21882 The everyday costs of war in Israel-Palestine are indeed immense: Has anybody heard that Strategic Foresight Group, a political think tank based in Bombay will release its latest report "The Cost of Conflict in the Middle East”in January 2009. The Report analyzes the human, military, political, economic, social and environmental costs of conflict among others, using 97 parameters. You can find excerpts of the COCME report on www.strategicforesight.com The everyday costs of war in Israel-Palestine are indeed immense:

Has anybody heard that Strategic Foresight Group, a political think tank based in Bombay will release its latest report “The Cost of Conflict in the Middle East”in January 2009.

The Report analyzes the human, military, political, economic, social and environmental costs of conflict among others, using 97 parameters.

You can find excerpts of the COCME report on http://www.strategicforesight.com

]]> By: elinor(Iran) http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/12/16/i-am-ashamed/#comment-21881 elinor(Iran) Sun, 21 Dec 2008 22:42:27 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/12/16/i-am-ashamed/#comment-21881 Hi Eva, happy Hanukah by the way:) Both parties need to participate when the conflict is going to be uprooted forever, both people need joining forces in an effort to say no to the conflict, I think Jina makes sense, the blame could not go all to one side, and the blessing would be shared between all the ones who wholeheartedly jojn the cause to uproot the problems, and Middle East should support that. As to the borders and who will stay where, it is all upto people of the land to decide, how would we know what is best, we pray :) Hi Eva, happy Hanukah by the way:) Both parties need to participate when the conflict is going to be uprooted forever, both people need joining forces in an effort to say no to the conflict, I think Jina makes sense, the blame could not go all to one side, and the blessing would be shared between all the ones who wholeheartedly jojn the cause to uproot the problems, and Middle East should support that. As to the borders and who will stay where, it is all upto people of the land to decide, how would we know what is best, we pray :)

]]> By: Jina http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/12/16/i-am-ashamed/#comment-21880 Jina Sun, 21 Dec 2008 13:24:41 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/12/16/i-am-ashamed/#comment-21880 Fault lies on both sides, only if these fools would just grow the fuck up and get on with their lives. Fault lies on both sides, only if these fools would just grow the fuck up and get on with their lives.

]]> By: Heimo http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/12/16/i-am-ashamed/#comment-21879 Heimo Sun, 21 Dec 2008 02:15:21 +0000 http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/12/16/i-am-ashamed/#comment-21879 <blockquote>If settles want to live in that land, that is fine. When the two state solution goes into effect they can be part of the palestinian state</blockquote> that's also my idea, but will those settlers ever accept to live under the laws of a Palestinean state & on the other hand: will a Palestinean State ever allow Jews to live as citizens in their country? - I doubt it. - Remember the expulsion of about 800.000 Jews out of Arabic countries, who lived there since centuries. - Does any Jew live in Gaza or would he survive if he would live there? - I deeply doubt it! Well as much as I love Israel, I also see the behaviour of those extreme settlers as disgusting & to be blamed - Truth is a 2-sided sword, which should always first judge the own side with the same kind of rule, like it judges the opponent side

If settles want to live in that land, that is fine. When the two state solution goes into effect they can be part of the palestinian state

that’s also my idea, but will those settlers ever accept to live under the laws of a Palestinean state & on the other hand: will a Palestinean State ever allow Jews to live as citizens in their country? – I doubt it. – Remember the expulsion of about 800.000 Jews out of Arabic countries, who lived there since centuries. – Does any Jew live in Gaza or would he survive if he would live there? – I deeply doubt it!

Well as much as I love Israel, I also see the behaviour of those extreme settlers as disgusting & to be blamed – Truth is a 2-sided sword, which should always first judge the own side with the same kind of rule, like it judges the opponent side

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