Comments on: When Freedom of Expression is abused it will backfire – lesson learnt (or in progress of being so) for Dutch Geert Wilder http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/01/29/when-freedom-of-expression-is-abused-it-will-backfire-lesson-learnt-or-in-progress-of-being-so-for-dutch-geert-wilder/ Thinking Ahead Sat, 11 Feb 2012 20:46:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Jessica M. (USA) http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/01/29/when-freedom-of-expression-is-abused-it-will-backfire-lesson-learnt-or-in-progress-of-being-so-for-dutch-geert-wilder/#comment-22333 Jessica M. (USA) Thu, 05 Feb 2009 17:39:52 +0000 http://mideastyouth.com/?p=3499#comment-22333 ok, apparently I'm not so great at using the b-qoute function, as what was meant to be boxed off was Esra'a's qoute at the begining of my comment, not what followed it....sorry.... ok, apparently I’m not so great at using the b-qoute function, as what was meant to be boxed off was Esra’a's qoute at the begining of my comment, not what followed it….sorry….

]]> By: Derek http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/01/29/when-freedom-of-expression-is-abused-it-will-backfire-lesson-learnt-or-in-progress-of-being-so-for-dutch-geert-wilder/#comment-22332 Derek Tue, 03 Feb 2009 13:12:39 +0000 http://mideastyouth.com/?p=3499#comment-22332 Babs, Actually, I was being sarcastic. Of course I think you have the right to view Wilders film. Babs,

Actually, I was being sarcastic. Of course I think you have the right to view Wilders film.

]]> By: Murad (Kuwait) http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/01/29/when-freedom-of-expression-is-abused-it-will-backfire-lesson-learnt-or-in-progress-of-being-so-for-dutch-geert-wilder/#comment-22331 Murad (Kuwait) Mon, 02 Feb 2009 17:25:26 +0000 http://mideastyouth.com/?p=3499#comment-22331 <blockquote>I’d suggest you save up your fees for a higher education so that you can understand the world around you better.</blockquote> AMEN!

I’d suggest you save up your fees for a higher education so that you can understand the world around you better.

AMEN!

]]> By: Esra'a http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/01/29/when-freedom-of-expression-is-abused-it-will-backfire-lesson-learnt-or-in-progress-of-being-so-for-dutch-geert-wilder/#comment-22330 Esra'a Mon, 02 Feb 2009 17:13:28 +0000 http://mideastyouth.com/?p=3499#comment-22330 <blockquote>I’ll keep you in mind as a possible donator towards the lawyer fees </blockquote> No thanks, I don't finance severe racism or abusive bigotry. I'd suggest you save up your fees for a higher education so that you can understand the world around you better. Good luck. Was nice catching up with the kind of ignorance we still have to deal with on a daily basis from people of your ilk.

I’ll keep you in mind as a possible donator towards the lawyer fees

No thanks, I don’t finance severe racism or abusive bigotry. I’d suggest you save up your fees for a higher education so that you can understand the world around you better.

Good luck. Was nice catching up with the kind of ignorance we still have to deal with on a daily basis from people of your ilk.

]]> By: Babs http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/01/29/when-freedom-of-expression-is-abused-it-will-backfire-lesson-learnt-or-in-progress-of-being-so-for-dutch-geert-wilder/#comment-22329 Babs Mon, 02 Feb 2009 16:12:24 +0000 http://mideastyouth.com/?p=3499#comment-22329 I really enjoyed the article about Islam Religion of Peace and all the comments that followed. I've signed a million petitions and written a million letters even to Obama about securing our borders and tightening up security, stopping immigration in, and eliminating the terror cells of Al-Qeada, Hamas, Hezbollah and others that exhist right now in America. I've started a folder with evidence of extremists who incite hatred and violence towards America or non-Muslims. I'll keep you in mind as a possible donator towards the lawyer fees since you want to fight the extremists who are trying to hijack your religion. I really enjoyed the article about Islam Religion of Peace and all the comments that followed. I’ve signed a million petitions and written a million letters even to Obama about securing our borders and tightening up security, stopping immigration in, and eliminating the terror cells of Al-Qeada, Hamas, Hezbollah and others that exhist right now in America. I’ve started a folder with evidence of extremists who incite hatred and violence towards America or non-Muslims. I’ll keep you in mind as a possible donator towards the lawyer fees since you want to fight the extremists who are trying to hijack your religion.

]]> By: Esra'a http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/01/29/when-freedom-of-expression-is-abused-it-will-backfire-lesson-learnt-or-in-progress-of-being-so-for-dutch-geert-wilder/#comment-22328 Esra'a Mon, 02 Feb 2009 12:12:30 +0000 http://mideastyouth.com/?p=3499#comment-22328 <blockquote>"How exactly are you and other Muslims fighting extremism?"</blockquote> This whole site is a fight against extremism. I'm assuming you didn't bother reading anything on here beyond this post before making petty judgements? This project (and <a href="http://www.freekareem.org" rel="nofollow">many others</a> we run) revolves around spreading a culture of dialogue and defending minorities. People condemn extremism in every form in pretty much every entry, and while not all authors are Muslims, many of us are and represent a variety of different backgrounds. We have no problem with our Jewish, Christian, Baha'i, etc neighbors and spend the majority of our time defending their human rights. Take a look around at the other posts and our authors and then reconsider the shallow stereotypes that you're trying so hard to pass off as "reality" or factual information when none of it could be further from the truth. How are YOU fighting extremism? I mean other than expressing your disgust with our Holy Book, encouraging hate speech, and threatening to sue Muslims on the internet!

“How exactly are you and other Muslims fighting extremism?”

This whole site is a fight against extremism. I’m assuming you didn’t bother reading anything on here beyond this post before making petty judgements? This project (and many others we run) revolves around spreading a culture of dialogue and defending minorities. People condemn extremism in every form in pretty much every entry, and while not all authors are Muslims, many of us are and represent a variety of different backgrounds. We have no problem with our Jewish, Christian, Baha’i, etc neighbors and spend the majority of our time defending their human rights. Take a look around at the other posts and our authors and then reconsider the shallow stereotypes that you’re trying so hard to pass off as “reality” or factual information when none of it could be further from the truth.

How are YOU fighting extremism? I mean other than expressing your disgust with our Holy Book, encouraging hate speech, and threatening to sue Muslims on the internet!

]]> By: Esra'a http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/01/29/when-freedom-of-expression-is-abused-it-will-backfire-lesson-learnt-or-in-progress-of-being-so-for-dutch-geert-wilder/#comment-22327 Esra'a Mon, 02 Feb 2009 08:48:31 +0000 http://mideastyouth.com/?p=3499#comment-22327 <blockquote>“I’m against political Islam, Islamofacism, and Shariah law.” And then I gave examples of such. </blockquote> None of them are actually informed, they consist of redundant and immature stereotypes. <blockquote>The only reason the world Muslim population is growing is because men are allowed up to 4 </blockquote> Wow, that just says a LOT about your educational level. Sadness. We're waiting for the court documents Babs. Come and sue us.

“I’m against political Islam, Islamofacism, and Shariah law.” And then I gave examples of such.

None of them are actually informed, they consist of redundant and immature stereotypes.

The only reason the world Muslim population is growing is because men are allowed up to 4

Wow, that just says a LOT about your educational level. Sadness.

We’re waiting for the court documents Babs. Come and sue us.

]]> By: Babs http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/01/29/when-freedom-of-expression-is-abused-it-will-backfire-lesson-learnt-or-in-progress-of-being-so-for-dutch-geert-wilder/#comment-22326 Babs Mon, 02 Feb 2009 06:09:29 +0000 http://mideastyouth.com/?p=3499#comment-22326 "I'm against political Islam, Islamofacism, and Shariah law." And then I gave examples of such. I also said, "Anybody with half a brain knows not to blame all Muslims for the actions of some." And yet you accuse me of "summarizing every sterotype against the entire Muslim population!" No I didn't. It's impossible to have a conversation with most of you moderates. It's the individual imans and clerics and the leaders of CAIR that I would like to sue for inciting hatred and violence towards non-Muslims, not all Muslims. How ridiculous you are! Of course, a lot of the leaders of CAIR are already in prison so I don't have to worry about that. I don't understand why Muslims aren't suing these people for inciting acts of violence. How exactly are you and other Muslims fighting extremism? I know of Project Shariah but that is time consuming. Their findings do get sent to the FBI though. I'm glad the FBI has cut off ties with CAIR now. The only reason the world Muslim population is growing is because men are allowed up to 4 wives, and each one can have children. All children are born Muslim and they can never leave. It's apostacy and punishable by death. If they do leave, they usually have fatwas put on them. Muslims move in to a country like Lebanon, for instance, and then as their population increases they start demanding concessions to their religion. Eventually, you're given the ultimatum of paying the jizya, death, or converting. Then you have people like the Lebonese Christian Bridgett Gabriel hiding for years and finally escaping with the help of Jews into freedom. Have you heard her tell her story? There are still more Christians in the world, and if I had to side with a religion, I respect the teachings and actions of Jesus. I do believe in God but not the God of Abraham. I have two friends who are Sufis and I just keep my opinions to myself out of respect for our friendship. If they knew what I knew and thought about Mohammed, I don't know how they would react. I'd rather have their friendship. They are both converts. One didn't even know about the verse of the sword!!! “I’m against political Islam, Islamofacism, and Shariah law.” And then I gave examples of such. I also said, “Anybody with half a brain knows not to blame all Muslims for the actions of some.” And yet you accuse me of “summarizing every sterotype against the entire Muslim population!” No I didn’t. It’s impossible to have a conversation with most of you moderates. It’s the individual imans and clerics and the leaders of CAIR that I would like to sue for inciting hatred and violence towards non-Muslims, not all Muslims. How ridiculous you are! Of course, a lot of the leaders of CAIR are already in prison so I don’t have to worry about that. I don’t understand why Muslims aren’t suing these people for inciting acts of violence. How exactly are you and other Muslims fighting extremism? I know of Project Shariah but that is time consuming. Their findings do get sent to the FBI though. I’m glad the FBI has cut off ties with CAIR now. The only reason the world Muslim population is growing is because men are allowed up to 4 wives, and each one can have children. All children are born Muslim and they can never leave. It’s apostacy and punishable by death. If they do leave, they usually have fatwas put on them. Muslims move in to a country like Lebanon, for instance, and then as their population increases they start demanding concessions to their religion. Eventually, you’re given the ultimatum of paying the jizya, death, or converting. Then you have people like the Lebonese Christian Bridgett Gabriel hiding for years and finally escaping with the help of Jews into freedom. Have you heard her tell her story? There are still more Christians in the world, and if I had to side with a religion, I respect the teachings and actions of Jesus. I do believe in God but not the God of Abraham. I have two friends who are Sufis and I just keep my opinions to myself out of respect for our friendship. If they knew what I knew and thought about Mohammed, I don’t know how they would react. I’d rather have their friendship. They are both converts. One didn’t even know about the verse of the sword!!!

]]> By: Esra'a http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/01/29/when-freedom-of-expression-is-abused-it-will-backfire-lesson-learnt-or-in-progress-of-being-so-for-dutch-geert-wilder/#comment-22325 Esra'a Mon, 02 Feb 2009 00:40:20 +0000 http://mideastyouth.com/?p=3499#comment-22325 So you've basically summarized every stereotype against the entire Muslim population and then after saying this: <blockquote>I think it’s ridiculous and childish that Geert Wilders is being sued. </blockquote> You react no differently: <blockquote>I’m sick of the hatred and incitement towards violence towards me and toward Jews, <strong>and I think we should sue.</strong></blockquote> Sounds good. Put me through to your lawyer. Our 1.4 billion population will await the documents. See you at court Babs! So you’ve basically summarized every stereotype against the entire Muslim population and then after saying this:

I think it’s ridiculous and childish that Geert Wilders is being sued.

You react no differently:

I’m sick of the hatred and incitement towards violence towards me and toward Jews, and I think we should sue.

Sounds good. Put me through to your lawyer. Our 1.4 billion population will await the documents.

See you at court Babs!

]]> By: Babs http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/01/29/when-freedom-of-expression-is-abused-it-will-backfire-lesson-learnt-or-in-progress-of-being-so-for-dutch-geert-wilder/#comment-22324 Babs Sun, 01 Feb 2009 22:09:32 +0000 http://mideastyouth.com/?p=3499#comment-22324 What you say is just your opinion, and I totally disagree with everything you say. I have the freedom to say the same thing that Thomas Jefferson said about religion and that is that "Religions are all alike-founded upon fables and mythologies." I respect some religions more than others. Some have prophets I don't think were prophets at all, and I don't consider them religions. I'm not against individual Muslims. I'm against political Islam, Islamofacism, and Shariah law. If a woman wants to wear a chador, that's her freedom of choice. I hated wearing one the couple times I did in Iran. I've seen the men and boys beating themselves bloody in the streets of Tehran during Ashura, and I don't respect it one bit. I won't tolerate it or shariah law or honor killings either in America, but Shariah and honor killings are already happening here. Sorry Derek, but you don't have the right to tell me that I don't have the right to know what the terrorists are saying and doing because I've watched their videos of them shout Allah Akbar before cutting off somebody's head. I've heard the threatening hate speeches of the Muslim clerics and imams waging Jihad against the West and non-Muslims on the videos they produce and on hidden camera videos. I can give you the links, videos or pics. I even have a video of a 12 year old Taliban boy cutting off his first head. It's in my Koran for Muslims to behead and strike off the fingertips. I have pics of that tooand a video of shariah punishment on a man in Iran getting his penis cut off. A pic of an 8 year old boy in Iran getting his arm run over by a car as punishment for stealing bread. I have a million pics and articles that have "offended" me. I'm sick of the hatred and incitement towards violence towards me and toward Jews, and I think we should sue. I see exactly the point Geert Wilders was making and that is that certain Muslim extremists and terrorists hate non-Muslims and want to torture and kill us just like they did in Mumbai. The doctors said the sexual mutulation on the Rabbi and his wife was so horrible they couldn't even talk about it. Go to www.reformislam.org and you'll see all the hate filled quotes Muslims have directed towards non-Muslims. The founder of Muslims Against Shariah is a Muslim. You say you're fighting extremists every day. What are you doing? How do you as a woman shut those clerics up who tell of the people in the mosque to wage Jihad on us? Of course, anybody with half a brain knows not to blame all Muslims for the acts of some. What I don't like is that 'moderate?' Muslims will get on the defensive immediately and use the words 'bigot', 'racist,' 'Islamaphobe, or 'offended.' You forgot to use the word Islamaphobe. Just once I'd like to have a conversation with a Muslim without them using those same boring words. In America you can piss on a statue of Jesus and not get arrested. I want "offended" Muslims to shut up. They are alienating themselves even more from non-Muslims. I think every person should read the Koran and Hadiths. That was enough for me to totally and completely hate that 'religion of peace.' Free Speech or Die. Free Geert Wilders. Give Susanne Winters back her $31,000. CAIR, leave Father Boutros alone. Now, abrogate this!!! What you say is just your opinion, and I totally disagree with everything you say. I have the freedom to say the same thing that Thomas Jefferson said about religion and that is that “Religions are all alike-founded upon fables and mythologies.” I respect some religions more than others. Some have prophets I don’t think were prophets at all, and I don’t consider them religions. I’m not against individual Muslims. I’m against political Islam, Islamofacism, and Shariah law. If a woman wants to wear a chador, that’s her freedom of choice. I hated wearing one the couple times I did in Iran. I’ve seen the men and boys beating themselves bloody in the streets of Tehran during Ashura, and I don’t respect it one bit. I won’t tolerate it or shariah law or honor killings either in America, but Shariah and honor killings are already happening here. Sorry Derek, but you don’t have the right to tell me that I don’t have the right to know what the terrorists are saying and doing because I’ve watched their videos of them shout Allah Akbar before cutting off somebody’s head. I’ve heard the threatening hate speeches of the Muslim clerics and imams waging Jihad against the West and non-Muslims on the videos they produce and on hidden camera videos. I can give you the links, videos or pics. I even have a video of a 12 year old Taliban boy cutting off his first head. It’s in my Koran for Muslims to behead and strike off the fingertips. I have pics of that tooand a video of shariah punishment on a man in Iran getting his penis cut off. A pic of an 8 year old boy in Iran getting his arm run over by a car as punishment for stealing bread. I have a million pics and articles that have “offended” me. I’m sick of the hatred and incitement towards violence towards me and toward Jews, and I think we should sue. I see exactly the point Geert Wilders was making and that is that certain Muslim extremists and terrorists hate non-Muslims and want to torture and kill us just like they did in Mumbai. The doctors said the sexual mutulation on the Rabbi and his wife was so horrible they couldn’t even talk about it. Go to http://www.reformislam.org and you’ll see all the hate filled quotes Muslims have directed towards non-Muslims. The founder of Muslims Against Shariah is a Muslim. You say you’re fighting extremists every day. What are you doing? How do you as a woman shut those clerics up who tell of the people in the mosque to wage Jihad on us? Of course, anybody with half a brain knows not to blame all Muslims for the acts of some. What I don’t like is that ‘moderate?’ Muslims will get on the defensive immediately and use the words ‘bigot’, ‘racist,’ ‘Islamaphobe, or ‘offended.’ You forgot to use the word Islamaphobe. Just once I’d like to have a conversation with a Muslim without them using those same boring words. In America you can piss on a statue of Jesus and not get arrested. I want “offended” Muslims to shut up. They are alienating themselves even more from non-Muslims. I think every person should read the Koran and Hadiths. That was enough for me to totally and completely hate that ‘religion of peace.’ Free Speech or Die. Free Geert Wilders. Give Susanne Winters back her $31,000. CAIR, leave Father Boutros alone. Now, abrogate this!!!

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