Comments on: The battle against terror… or rather the Middle East http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/02/13/the-battle-against-terror-or-rather-the-middle-east/ Thinking Ahead Sat, 11 Feb 2012 20:46:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: eric/canada http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/02/13/the-battle-against-terror-or-rather-the-middle-east/#comment-22408 eric/canada Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:35:11 +0000 http://mideastyouth.com/?p=3599#comment-22408 Hm. There is a romantic attachment to being a rebel; to fighting "the Man", rallying around a cause...but there have been very few successful rebel movements that did not succeed the incumbent governments with regimes that were just as brutal, just not to their factions. There is no better example of this than the Soviet system and their "resistance groups". When the only favourable comparison that your system can come up with is against the Nazis... That said, I find ethnic nationalism distasteful, and the ugly stepchild of protectionism. With all the bigoted "Old-world" rhetoric flying around Europe and North America now that all the national credit cards have been maxed out, I'm a little suprised that a poster to this forum would start beating that tired old drum. Personally, I never even considered that Arabs aren't getting enough respect, and certainly not over politics. Damn, if we were going to start making racial judgements based on political performance that would leave...the Inuit? So, an innocent little question rearding your dream of a "Re-united Arab Empire"...would that include Arab-Israelis? How about Arab Jews? Would their needs and desires be cared for as well? And would Iran, as well, not-Arabs, be frozen out? I guess they just didn't want to be Arabs bad enough...well, on the bright side, I guess the millions of immigrants and foreign non-Arab workers who have made the Middle East their home would be tickled beige to be made honorary Arabs so they could "fit in". You know, now that I think of it, this is such a good idea I'm going to go out and have a bunch of "honorary White Person" stickers made up with a picture of a cracker and a piece of white bread on the Canadian flag, and give em out to all the non-White folks in my city so they can feel included. I bet the natives are particularly going to appreciate that. Hm. There is a romantic attachment to being a rebel; to fighting “the Man”, rallying around a cause…but there have been very few successful rebel movements that did not succeed the incumbent governments with regimes that were just as brutal, just not to their factions. There is no better example of this than the Soviet system and their “resistance groups”. When the only favourable comparison that your system can come up with is against the Nazis…
That said, I find ethnic nationalism distasteful, and the ugly stepchild of protectionism. With all the bigoted “Old-world” rhetoric flying around Europe and North America now that all the national credit cards have been maxed out, I’m a little suprised that a poster to this forum would start beating that tired old drum. Personally, I never even considered that Arabs aren’t getting enough respect, and certainly not over politics. Damn, if we were going to start making racial judgements based on political performance that would leave…the Inuit?
So, an innocent little question rearding your dream of a “Re-united Arab Empire”…would that include Arab-Israelis? How about Arab Jews? Would their needs and desires be cared for as well?
And would Iran, as well, not-Arabs, be frozen out? I guess they just didn’t want to be Arabs bad enough…well, on the bright side, I guess the millions of immigrants and foreign non-Arab workers who have made the Middle East their home would be tickled beige to be made honorary Arabs so they could “fit in”.
You know, now that I think of it, this is such a good idea I’m going to go out and have a bunch of “honorary White Person” stickers made up with a picture of a cracker and a piece of white bread on the Canadian flag, and give em out to all the non-White folks in my city so they can feel included. I bet the natives are particularly going to appreciate that.

]]> By: Lou Lou http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/02/13/the-battle-against-terror-or-rather-the-middle-east/#comment-22407 Lou Lou Sun, 15 Feb 2009 22:01:30 +0000 http://mideastyouth.com/?p=3599#comment-22407 Yarden, 1. I read what you wrote and replied to it by turning it round in para 2 and 3 2. The writer isn't being pro-Hezbollah, just pro-resistance. She places down the different types of leaderships that run in the Arab World - did you read the article? Yarden,
1. I read what you wrote and replied to it by turning it round in para 2 and 3
2. The writer isn’t being pro-Hezbollah, just pro-resistance.
She places down the different types of leaderships that run in the Arab World – did you read the article?

]]> By: lynne http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/02/13/the-battle-against-terror-or-rather-the-middle-east/#comment-22406 lynne Sun, 15 Feb 2009 20:27:04 +0000 http://mideastyouth.com/?p=3599#comment-22406 I think that it's more significant to focus on presenting points of view that lead to compromise and respect for each group's situation, rather than focusing on blame, vilifying the "other" or making incendiary statements. It leads only to arguments and stalemate. There are ways that this conflict can be resolved and they don't involve ignoring the rights and the feelings of the other side. Our statements here should promote the idea of peace through compromise and determination to build positive relationships to counteract the history of conflict. I think that would be more helpful. I think that it’s more significant to focus on presenting points of view that lead to compromise and respect for each group’s situation, rather than focusing on blame, vilifying the “other” or making incendiary statements. It leads only to arguments and stalemate. There are ways that this conflict can be resolved and they don’t involve ignoring the rights and the feelings of the other side. Our statements here should promote the idea of peace through compromise and determination to build positive relationships to counteract the history of conflict. I think that would be more helpful.

]]> By: Wladimir http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/02/13/the-battle-against-terror-or-rather-the-middle-east/#comment-22405 Wladimir Sun, 15 Feb 2009 11:12:13 +0000 http://mideastyouth.com/?p=3599#comment-22405 Yes, and the Soviet army occupied all those countries and the cold war started. Great example of the subjective journalist Fisk. I still don't blame you for being negative about the corruption and problems. Yes, and the Soviet army occupied all those countries and the cold war started. Great example of the subjective journalist Fisk. I still don’t blame you for being negative about the corruption and problems.

]]> By: yarden http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/02/13/the-battle-against-terror-or-rather-the-middle-east/#comment-22404 yarden Sat, 14 Feb 2009 23:34:53 +0000 http://mideastyouth.com/?p=3599#comment-22404 Lou Lou, did you read what i wrote? I don't avoid it - I go against it in demonstrations and in not participating in it. I say both sides are guilty of hurting innocents. So I don't support my side for hurting civilians but are they doing the same at the other side? I believe some are, but in this article the writer claims Arabs should support Hezbollah. If I shouldn't support my army for killing innocents, why is it alright to support Hezbollah for killing innocents on my side? Lou Lou, did you read what i wrote? I don’t avoid it – I go against it in demonstrations and in not participating in it.
I say both sides are guilty of hurting innocents. So I don’t support my side for hurting civilians but are they doing the same at the other side? I believe some are, but in this article the writer claims Arabs should support Hezbollah.
If I shouldn’t support my army for killing innocents, why is it alright to support Hezbollah for killing innocents on my side?

]]> By: Lou Lou http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/02/13/the-battle-against-terror-or-rather-the-middle-east/#comment-22403 Lou Lou Sat, 14 Feb 2009 12:08:26 +0000 http://mideastyouth.com/?p=3599#comment-22403 Yarden, Things are so simple so let's not complicate it: What war has ever gone by without innocent civilians dying? Israel so quick to point out its own suffering finds it difficult to face the fact that they cause suffering to others, and that part just baffles me. So your question "what about Hezbollah killing innocent Israelis?" can easily turn around to "what about the Israelis killing the innocent Arabs?" What will you say about that? Or will you just avoid that? Not all Arabs are so-called terrorists. Some people were just born in the Arab World. Not all are to be blamed. Not all Arabs deserve to die from Israeli missiles. So as much as I'd love to get into a discussion with you - I'll have to say that you need to look at the other side and start acknowledging that this is just a cycle. Both sides will say that they are the victims, and both sides will point at the other and call them the victimisers. I said it before and I'll say it again: neither side is free of guilt. If you fail to cknowledge that then there is no point of discussing this matter. Peace, Lou Lou Yarden,
Things are so simple so let’s not complicate it: What war has ever gone by without innocent civilians dying? Israel so quick to point out its own suffering finds it difficult to face the fact that they cause suffering to others, and that part just baffles me.

So your question “what about Hezbollah killing innocent Israelis?” can easily turn around to “what about the Israelis killing the innocent Arabs?”
What will you say about that? Or will you just avoid that?

Not all Arabs are so-called terrorists. Some people were just born in the Arab World. Not all are to be blamed. Not all Arabs deserve to die from Israeli missiles.

So as much as I’d love to get into a discussion with you – I’ll have to say that you need to look at the other side and start acknowledging that this is just a cycle. Both sides will say that they are the victims, and both sides will point at the other and call them the victimisers.
I said it before and I’ll say it again: neither side is free of guilt.

If you fail to cknowledge that then there is no point of discussing this matter.

Peace,
Lou Lou

]]> By: yarden http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/02/13/the-battle-against-terror-or-rather-the-middle-east/#comment-22402 yarden Sat, 14 Feb 2009 09:18:59 +0000 http://mideastyouth.com/?p=3599#comment-22402 Yeah, so I don't support the IDF attacking civilians and go to protests. On the other hand, you supporting those who attack me and my friends and family. Yeah, so I don’t support the IDF attacking civilians and go to protests. On the other hand, you supporting those who attack me and my friends and family.

]]> By: Esra'a (Bahrain) http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/02/13/the-battle-against-terror-or-rather-the-middle-east/#comment-22401 Esra'a (Bahrain) Sat, 14 Feb 2009 06:06:02 +0000 http://mideastyouth.com/?p=3599#comment-22401 <blockquote>I was just born here. What am I to blame for that I deserve to die from Hezbollah rockets?</blockquote> Millions of Palestinians are asking themselves that same question every day, yet they're still dying by the thousands.

I was just born here. What am I to blame for that I deserve to die from Hezbollah rockets?

Millions of Palestinians are asking themselves that same question every day, yet they’re still dying by the thousands.

]]> By: yarden http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/02/13/the-battle-against-terror-or-rather-the-middle-east/#comment-22400 yarden Fri, 13 Feb 2009 22:56:06 +0000 http://mideastyouth.com/?p=3599#comment-22400 But what about the Hezbollah killing innocent Israelis? I don't occupy or kill and am not a Zionist - that doesn't make me safe. I was just born here. What am I to blame for that I deserve to die from Hezbollah rockets? But what about the Hezbollah killing innocent Israelis? I don’t occupy or kill and am not a Zionist – that doesn’t make me safe. I was just born here. What am I to blame for that I deserve to die from Hezbollah rockets?

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