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	<title>Comments on: My experience in the pre-&quot;Durban II&quot; conference in Geneva</title>
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		<title>By: alan</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/04/20/my-experience-in-the-pre-durban-ii-conference-in-geneva/#comment-22693</link>
		<dc:creator>alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 22:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Esra you aint no terrorist.
Yaary thank you that was fun, now I&#039;m late for work.

Love and Peace</description>
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Yaary thank you that was fun, now I&#8217;m late for work.</p>
<p>Love and Peace</p>
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		<title>By: Yaary</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/04/20/my-experience-in-the-pre-durban-ii-conference-in-geneva/#comment-22692</link>
		<dc:creator>Yaary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that Israeli leader and Iran&#039;s can be together. In fact, I have them here together in my liquify face caricature maker

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.activate.co.il&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;


have fun</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that Israeli leader and Iran&#8217;s can be together. In fact, I have them here together in my liquify face caricature maker</p>
<p><a href="http://www.activate.co.il" rel="nofollow">here</a></p>
<p>have fun</p>
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		<title>By: Nissim Dahan</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/04/20/my-experience-in-the-pre-durban-ii-conference-in-geneva/#comment-22691</link>
		<dc:creator>Nissim Dahan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not quite sure why Israel and Palestine have captured, over the years, so much of the world&#039;s attention. I would agree with Anna&#039;s quote that to a certain extent, all that attention is to both side&#039;s detriment, because it prevents the two sides from cutting a deal, due to the fact that so much is riding on each and every concession, and because everyone in the room is watching.

My guess is that Israel and Palestine receive all this attention because a great many people, outside the conflict itself, have used this conflict for their own purposes, and have therefore flooded each and every aspect of the conflict with an excessive amount of symbolism. As an example, if Arab leaders want to deflect attention from the weaknesses of their own regimes, then casting undo attention on Israel is a good way of doing that. Or Jews, in some circles, may cast aspersions against Palestinians, as a way of supporting thier belief in illegal settlements or a Greater Israel.

Of course, the Holy Land is holy to a great many people, and what happens there is necessarily of consequence to people all over the world. But it comes to a point when the symbolism of it all can be a bit stifling, to say the least, and can paralyze the key players from doing what they need to do to point to the possibility of peace.

What is the solution? We may well have to look at what we believe through the filter of common sense. Instead of jumping to false belief and then rationalizing why we&#039;re right, why not use rationality in the first place to bring us to what is worth believing in? Just because you believe in something, doesn&#039;t make it true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not quite sure why Israel and Palestine have captured, over the years, so much of the world&#8217;s attention. I would agree with Anna&#8217;s quote that to a certain extent, all that attention is to both side&#8217;s detriment, because it prevents the two sides from cutting a deal, due to the fact that so much is riding on each and every concession, and because everyone in the room is watching.</p>
<p>My guess is that Israel and Palestine receive all this attention because a great many people, outside the conflict itself, have used this conflict for their own purposes, and have therefore flooded each and every aspect of the conflict with an excessive amount of symbolism. As an example, if Arab leaders want to deflect attention from the weaknesses of their own regimes, then casting undo attention on Israel is a good way of doing that. Or Jews, in some circles, may cast aspersions against Palestinians, as a way of supporting thier belief in illegal settlements or a Greater Israel.</p>
<p>Of course, the Holy Land is holy to a great many people, and what happens there is necessarily of consequence to people all over the world. But it comes to a point when the symbolism of it all can be a bit stifling, to say the least, and can paralyze the key players from doing what they need to do to point to the possibility of peace.</p>
<p>What is the solution? We may well have to look at what we believe through the filter of common sense. Instead of jumping to false belief and then rationalizing why we&#8217;re right, why not use rationality in the first place to bring us to what is worth believing in? Just because you believe in something, doesn&#8217;t make it true.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I&#039;m not used to that link button! Sorry!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I&#8217;m not used to that link button! Sorry!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not sure, whether I am allowed to post this link here- it&#039;s not about Durban but it describes the problem: &lt;a href=&quot;http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124027104509836989.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;
It&#039;s a shame that the Israeli- Palestinian conflict is so overrepresented and it doesn&#039;t help either the Israelis (who seem to be in a defensive posture whenever they only here the word &quot;Israel&quot; or &quot;Jews&quot; or &quot;Palastinians&quot; etc...- understandable though) nor does it help the Palastinians.
I think your point &quot;hardly anyone was focusing on the other human rights violations occurring around us and in our name&quot; is quite funny, &#039;cause you just did the same in this post. !
Nice to read that article, though!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not sure, whether I am allowed to post this link here- it&#8217;s not about Durban but it describes the problem: <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124027104509836989.html" rel="nofollow"><br />
It&#8217;s a shame that the Israeli- Palestinian conflict is so overrepresented and it doesn&#8217;t help either the Israelis (who seem to be in a defensive posture whenever they only here the word &#8220;Israel&#8221; or &#8220;Jews&#8221; or &#8220;Palastinians&#8221; etc&#8230;- understandable though) nor does it help the Palastinians.<br />
I think your point &#8220;hardly anyone was focusing on the other human rights violations occurring around us and in our name&#8221; is quite funny, &#8217;cause you just did the same in this post. !<br />
Nice to read that article, though!</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jessica M.</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/04/20/my-experience-in-the-pre-durban-ii-conference-in-geneva/#comment-22688</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think anyone is disagreeing that human rights can be used for political goals - and this is unforunate.  But that also doesn&#039;t mean that human rights violations can&#039;t and shouldn&#039;t be addressed through political means - like most things, political avenues have both bad and good and is not 100% either way.

I also disagree with the other commentors that seem to accuse Esra&#039;a of saying that the Holocaust it wasn&#039;t terrible.  On the contrary, to me her point is that is not the only case of horribleness in our world and that she&#039;s very frustrated those other cases of horribleness also don&#039;t get similar levels of attention.

As for my freedom of speech comment, I am trying to get at what defines, for you, freedom of speech.  I have come across many people who define this extremely differently.

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from being insulted.  So, therefore, a parent and school board that called you a terrorist was exercising their freedom of speech.  This is also not a case of censorship, contrary to Wladimir&#039;s comment - censorhip implies an action by a official government body not a private citizen.  Clearly, this parent couldn&#039;t actually censor Esra&#039;a since Esra&#039;a returned from the US and blogged about it here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think anyone is disagreeing that human rights can be used for political goals &#8211; and this is unforunate.  But that also doesn&#8217;t mean that human rights violations can&#8217;t and shouldn&#8217;t be addressed through political means &#8211; like most things, political avenues have both bad and good and is not 100% either way.</p>
<p>I also disagree with the other commentors that seem to accuse Esra&#8217;a of saying that the Holocaust it wasn&#8217;t terrible.  On the contrary, to me her point is that is not the only case of horribleness in our world and that she&#8217;s very frustrated those other cases of horribleness also don&#8217;t get similar levels of attention.</p>
<p>As for my freedom of speech comment, I am trying to get at what defines, for you, freedom of speech.  I have come across many people who define this extremely differently.</p>
<p>Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from being insulted.  So, therefore, a parent and school board that called you a terrorist was exercising their freedom of speech.  This is also not a case of censorship, contrary to Wladimir&#8217;s comment &#8211; censorhip implies an action by a official government body not a private citizen.  Clearly, this parent couldn&#8217;t actually censor Esra&#8217;a since Esra&#8217;a returned from the US and blogged about it here.</p>
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		<title>By: wamith</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/04/20/my-experience-in-the-pre-durban-ii-conference-in-geneva/#comment-22687</link>
		<dc:creator>wamith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Esra’a
this is very interesting artical ,we had many kinds of hat to all kind of believes and ethnic groups ,we need to give the same space in suporrting to them as we did for anti-seitsm, there is millions of people who had been killed and baried under the ground all over the owrld ,not only in germany ,we need to take moral from the jewsh suffering in WWII ,and isreal should not copy the violence with the palstaineians ,as the victum should be more compasion to other people suffering

we are living hard times with people trying to full the arb-isreali conflict,muslim-rest of the world conflic, iran -arab conflict ,sunni-shiaa conflict , racism has reached new levels ,no more white man-black man ,but we-them level ,and we most fight it every were and in every nationality

Esra’a keep the good work ,my idea is the bad people are big,rich and powerful ,but we can make a great fight against them ,so they will not enjoy their powers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Esra’a<br />
this is very interesting artical ,we had many kinds of hat to all kind of believes and ethnic groups ,we need to give the same space in suporrting to them as we did for anti-seitsm, there is millions of people who had been killed and baried under the ground all over the owrld ,not only in germany ,we need to take moral from the jewsh suffering in WWII ,and isreal should not copy the violence with the palstaineians ,as the victum should be more compasion to other people suffering</p>
<p>we are living hard times with people trying to full the arb-isreali conflict,muslim-rest of the world conflic, iran -arab conflict ,sunni-shiaa conflict , racism has reached new levels ,no more white man-black man ,but we-them level ,and we most fight it every were and in every nationality</p>
<p>Esra’a keep the good work ,my idea is the bad people are big,rich and powerful ,but we can make a great fight against them ,so they will not enjoy their powers</p>
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		<title>By: Esra'a (Bahrain)</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/04/20/my-experience-in-the-pre-durban-ii-conference-in-geneva/#comment-22686</link>
		<dc:creator>Esra'a (Bahrain)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Your experiences only prove to me that human rights are used for political goals only. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Wladimir of all the commenters here (who are either Israeli or Jewish and therefore appear to be very defensive) you are the only one who actually got my point, so thank you. No one is better than abusing human rights or taking advantage of defenders of human rights for self-serving goals than Israel and Iran, and my experience proved this spot on, from start to finish of this Summit. People can defend their ideologies all they want, but none of them were actually there, where the agenda and terminology was definite and clear which disturbed several of us independent activists who found this appalling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Your experiences only prove to me that human rights are used for political goals only. </p></blockquote>
<p>Wladimir of all the commenters here (who are either Israeli or Jewish and therefore appear to be very defensive) you are the only one who actually got my point, so thank you. No one is better than abusing human rights or taking advantage of defenders of human rights for self-serving goals than Israel and Iran, and my experience proved this spot on, from start to finish of this Summit. People can defend their ideologies all they want, but none of them were actually there, where the agenda and terminology was definite and clear which disturbed several of us independent activists who found this appalling.</p>
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		<title>By: Wladimir</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/04/20/my-experience-in-the-pre-durban-ii-conference-in-geneva/#comment-22685</link>
		<dc:creator>Wladimir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your experiences only prove to me that human rights are used for political goals only. I also thought the reaction of Jessica was funny. In some way she agreed with censoring you lol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your experiences only prove to me that human rights are used for political goals only. I also thought the reaction of Jessica was funny. In some way she agreed with censoring you lol.</p>
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		<title>By: Yaary</title>
		<link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/04/20/my-experience-in-the-pre-durban-ii-conference-in-geneva/#comment-22684</link>
		<dc:creator>Yaary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 05:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;not to mention what happened to Azmi Bishara.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Freedom of speech is one thing, but talking to the enemy (hizbulla) during war, accepting campaign money from them and telling them to shoot further inland where there are less Arabs and more Jews (since about half of the injured on the israeli side were israeli arabs) goes way beyond free speech, not just for an ellected government official, but for anyone be he muslim or jewish.

Azmi Bsara should have been shot on grounds of treason or maybe beheaded as they tend to do in Arab countries over less acite crimes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>not to mention what happened to Azmi Bishara.</p></blockquote>
<p>Freedom of speech is one thing, but talking to the enemy (hizbulla) during war, accepting campaign money from them and telling them to shoot further inland where there are less Arabs and more Jews (since about half of the injured on the israeli side were israeli arabs) goes way beyond free speech, not just for an ellected government official, but for anyone be he muslim or jewish.</p>
<p>Azmi Bsara should have been shot on grounds of treason or maybe beheaded as they tend to do in Arab countries over less acite crimes</p>
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