1. 

   Michael W.

   August 16, 2009 // Reply

   The Israelis as “brutal” theme appears again, as Walt and Mearsheimer inform readers that Israelis advocated and employed:

   … brutal methods to remove huge numbers of Palestinians from the land that would soon be the new Jewish state. Consider what Ben-Gurion wrote in his diary on January 1, 1948, at a time when he was involved in a series of important meetings with other Zionist leaders about how to deal with the Palestinians in their midst: “There is a need now for strong and brutal reaction. We need to be accurate about timing, place and those we hit. If we accuse a family – we need to harm them without mercy, women and children included. Otherwise, this is not an effective reaction … There is no need to distinguish between guilty and not guilty.” (book, p. 99; emphasis added)

   Now, for this quote Walt and Mearsheimer cite one of their favorite authors, the Israeli “new historian” Ilan Pappe, and his book The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine. And indeed Pappe’s book contains this passage, said to be from Ben-Gurion’s diary (though Walt and Mearsheimer omit a few words). But Pappe says that this was Ben-Gurion recounting not his own words but those of (Yigal) Allon, a pre-state Jewish military leader and later a prominent Israeli politician. For some reason Walt and Mearsheimer leave this out, leading readers to assume the author of these words was Ben-Gurion himself.

   But there are far larger problems here. First, it seems clear even from the passage cited by Walt and Mearsheimer that what was being discussed was not a plan to “remove huge numbers of Palestinians,” but a proposed “reaction” to Arab attacks, which would target a family if they were involved in those attacks (“if we accuse a family”). Clearly a program involving mass expulsions would not refer to reactions or accusations against specific people.

   Second, Pappe omits a key sentence which completely changes the character of the passage. Here is the actual full translation from the primary source, Ben-Gurion’s diary:

   There is no question whether a reaction is necessary or not. The only question is when and where. Blowing up a house is not enough, especially if it’s not the right one. There is a need for a brutal and firm response. We need precision in time, place and casualties. If we definitely know the (culpable) family – hit without mercy, including the women and children of this family who might be there. Otherwise the reaction will not be effective. In the actual place of action, there is no need to distinguish between guilty and innocent. Where there was no attack (ie. the family is innocent), we must not touch. (emphasis added; David Ben-Gurion, Independence War Diary, V1, p 97-98; in Hebrew)

   Pappe deceptively omits this sentence, which gives a hint of his own credibility. With it restored the nature of the discussion is clear – retaliation against those who have attacked Israelis. If it is known that the attacker lives in a certain house, attack that house even if there are also innocents inside. But if all inside the house are innocents, then it is forbidden to attack. Admittedly tough sentiments, though in the context of a tough and bloody war in which Israel lost fully one percent of its population.

   Third, Pappe is also wrong about whose words were being recounted. While he claimed it was Allon, Ben-Gurion makes clear in the diary that he was recounting the words of one of his advisers on Arab affairs, Gad Machnes. Pappe is evidently no more fastidious with quotes and documents that Walt and Mearsheimer.

   But there’s even more to be said on this. After all, Ben-Gurion was recounting in his diary, in telegraphic form, discussions from an extended meeting on critically important subjects. An obvious question for the scholar studying this period would be: Was there a written record of the meeting itself, and if so, what did it say?

   Indeed there was a written record of the meeting and it further undermines the Walt/Mearsheimer position. For here is how that protocol records Machnes’ words:

   I think that today there is no question whether or not to respond. But for the response to be effective, it must come in the right time and the right place and take the form of a strong punishment. Blowing up a house is not enough. Blowing up a house of innocent people is certainly not enough! The response must be strong and harsh because it must create the [right] impression, must punish [the perpetrators of violence] and must serve as a warning. If our responses are not impressive—they will create the opposite impression. These matters necessitate the utmost precision—in terms of time, place, and whom and what to hit … If we operate against, say, a specific family in a known place, a known village [i.e., identified perpetrators of violence], then there should be no mercy! But only a direct blow and no touching of innocent people! We have already reached a position that necessitates a strong response. Today one should not even avoid hitting women and children. For otherwise, the response cannot be effective. (from Efraim Karsh, “Benny Morris and the Reign of Error,” Middle East Quarterly, March 1999; available at http://www.meforum.org/article/466) (emphasis added)

   Obviously, this passage only further undermines the claims of Walt and Mearsheimer that participants at the meeting discussed “brutal methods to remove huge numbers of Palestinians.” Nothing could be further from the truth – neither the diary they claimed to be quoting, nor the actual protocol, says anything of the sort.

   From here.
2. 

   Michael W.

   August 16, 2009 // Reply

   Take for example, the following quote (found on anti-Israel Web sites) alleged to have been said by Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon to the Israeli parliament in October 2001 and reported on Kol Yisrael radio:

   Don’t worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it.

   The statement also appears as “I control America.”

   As it turns out, it is a hoax. Sharon never made either statement. Nor did Kol Yisrael ever report that he did.

   Yet syndicated columnist Georgie Anne Geyer wrote in her May 10, 2002 opinion column, which appeared in the Chicago Tribune, San Diego Tribune, and other newspapers:

   In fact, it [American support for Israel’‘s actions] led Prime Minister Sharon to tell his Cabinet recently, “I control America.”

   Where did this quote originate and how did it enter the mainstream media?

   CAMERA’s investigation found that it started with an October 3, 2001 press release from the pro-Hamas group, IAP – the Islamic Association for Palestine, which attributed the quote to a report on “the Israeli Hebrew radio, Col [sic] Yisrael.”

   In fact, Kol Yisrael political correspondent Yoni Ben-Menachem, who reports on Cabinet meetings, confirmed to CAMERA that he never made such a broadcast and that Sharon never made such a statement. Nor was it reported by any other news service.

   From here.
3. 

   Michael W.

   August 16, 2009 // Reply

   The quote attributed to Ben-Gurion that starts with “Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves …” comes from the book by Nahum Goldman called The Jewish Paradox, published in 1978 (Significantly after Ben-Gurion’s death).

   So how can anyone verify a quote to be true when nobody else has published it before 1978 and when the person who supposedly said it, died years before the quote was first published?
4. 

   Michael W.

   August 16, 2009 // Reply

   In regards to this:
   

   “Every time anyone says that Israel is our only friend in the Middle East, I can’t help but think that before Israel, we had no enemies in the Middle East.” : John Sheehan, S.J. -Jesuit priest

   Completely untrue. The US Navy was created to stop North African pirates in the Mediterranean Sea. The US also had to bribe several North African rulers to free American sailors. The Ottoman Empire was on the enemy’s side in WWI. And some of the current Middle East countries didn’t exist before Israel.

   Also, the US is friendly, and has been for a long time, with several Middle East countries.

   The quote is hardly an insightful one.
5. 

   Michael W.

   August 16, 2009 // Reply

   Regarding:

   “The Israeli state is the aggressor and the occupier. The Palestinians are the victims. So who should recognize whom?” Khaled Meshal

   Another uninsightful quote.

   Rabbi Schneerson: “Israel is a goyische Staat”

   Another uninsightful quote.
6. 

   Michael W.

   August 16, 2009 // Reply

   From CAMERA:

   Since the message of the letter (anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism) was one Martin Luther King, Jr. had indeed articulated, we can understand why the King family and the ADL did not feel the need to verify the “Letter to an anti-Zionist friend.” This episode is a reminder of the importance of verifying the authenticity and accuracy of sources, even when they appear to be solid.

   Below is a January 21, 2002 op-ed by U.S. Rep. John Lewis, who worked closely with Dr. King. In the op-ed, he shares Dr. King’s views on Israel, views which stressed Israel’s democratic nature and Israel’s need for security. And he also relates that Dr. King said, “When people criticize Zionists they mean Jews, you are talking anti-Semitism.”

   This quotation has been confirmed, so you should feel assured that you can use the quotation in letters. Just be sure to mention that it came from Dr. King’s 1968 Harvard University appearance, so that no one will think it is from the debunked “letter.”

   The op-ed by Congressman Lewis appears below, and the hoax letter follows.

   Monday, January 21, 2002 (San Francisco Chronicle)
   “I have a dream” for peace in the Middle East
   King’s Special Bond with Israel
   by John Lewis

   THE REV. MARTIN Luther King Jr. understood the meaning of discrimination and oppression. He sought ways to achieve liberation and peace, and he thus understood that a special relationship exists between African Americans and American Jews.

   This message was true in his time and is true today.

   He knew that both peoples were uprooted involuntarily from their homelands. He knew that both peoples were shaped by the tragic experience of slavery. He knew that both peoples were forced to live in ghettoes, victims of segregation.He knew that both peoples were subject to laws passed with the particular intent of oppressing them simply because they were Jewish or black. He knew that both peoples have been subjected to oppression and genocide on a level unprecedented in history.

   King understood how important it is not to stand by in the face of injustice. He understood the cry, “Let my people go.”

   Long before the plight of the Jews in the Soviet Union was on the front pages, he raised his voice. “I cannot stand idly by, even though I happen to live in the United States and even though I happen to be an American Negro and not be concerned about what happens to the Jews in Soviet Russia. For what happens to them happens to me and you, and we must be concerned.”

   During his lifetime King witnessed the birth of Israel and the continuing struggle to build a nation. He consistently reiterated his stand on the Israel — Arab conflict, stating “Israel’s right to exist as a state in security is uncontestable.” It was no accident that King emphasized “security” in his statements on the Middle East,

   On March 25, 1968, less than two weeks before his tragic death, he spoke out with clarity and directness stating, “peace for Israel means security, and we must stand with all our might to protect its right to exist, its territorial integrity. I see Israel as one of the great outposts of democracy in the world, and a marvelous example of what can be done, how desert land can be transformed into an oasis of brotherhood and democracy. Peace for Israel means security and that security must be a reality.”

   During the recent U.N. Conference on Racism held in Durban, South Africa, we were all shocked by the attacks on Jews, Israel and Zionism. The United States of America stood up against these vicious attacks.

   Once again, the words of King ran through my memory, “I solemnly pledge to do my utmost to uphold the fair name of the Jews — because bigotry in any form is an affront to us all.”

   During an appearance at Harvard University shortly before his death, a student stood up and asked King to address himself to the issue of Zionism. The question was clearly hostile. King responded, “When people criticize Zionists they mean Jews, you are talking anti-Semitism.”

   King taught us many lessons. As turbulence continues to grip the Middle East, his words should continue to serve as our guide. I am convinced that were he alive today he would speak clearly calling for an end to the violence between Israelis and Arabs.

   He would call upon his fellow Nobel Peace Prize winner, Yasser Arafat, to fulfill the dream of peace and do all that is within his power to stop the violence.

   He would urge continuing negotiations to reduce tensions and bring about the first steps toward genuine peace.

   King had a dream of an “oasis of brotherhood and democracy” in the Middle East.

   As we celebrate his life and legacy, let us work for the day when Israelis and Palestinians, Jews and Muslims, will be able to sit in peace “under his vine and fig tree and none shall make him afraid.”

   U.S. Rep. John Lewis, a Democrat, represents the 5th Congressional District of Georgia and worked closely with Martin Luther King Jr. during the civil rights movement.

   ——————————————

   The following letter is a fabrication/hoax:

   “Letter to an anti-Zionist friend”
   Selections from the Writings of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

   …You declare, my friend, that you do not hate the Jews, you are merely ‘anti-Zionist.’ And I say, let the truth ring forth from the high mountain tops, let it echo through the valleys of God’s green earth: When people criticize Zionism, they mean Jews — this is God’s own truth.

   Antisemitism … has been and remains a blot on the soul of mankind. In this we are in full agreement. So know also this: anti-Zionist is inherently antisemitic, and ever will be so….

   The antisemite rejoices at any opportunity to vent his malice. The times have made it unpopular, in the West, to proclaim openly a hatred of the Jews. This being the case, the antisemite must constantly seek new forms and forums for his poison. How he must revel in the new masquerade! He does not hate the Jews, he is just ‘anti-Zionist’!

   My friend, I do not accuse you of deliberate antisemitism… But I know you have been misled — as others have been — into thinking you can be ‘anti-Zionist’ and yet remain true to these heartfelt principles that you and I share. Let my words echo in the depths of your soul: When people criticize Zionism, they mean Jews — make no mistake about it.

   (From M.L. King, Jr., “Letter to an Anti-Zionist Friend,” Saturday Review XLVII Aug. 1967, p. 76)[no such article or issue] Reprinted in “Shared Dreams,” by Rabbi Marc Shneier, preface by Martin Luther King III
7. 

   Michael W.

   August 16, 2009 // Reply

   One final note – the post by Sami starts with “On the crucial importance of getting facts right”, take heed.
8. 

   Sami, the beduin.

   August 16, 2009 // Reply

   How the Jews Control America !!!

   quoted from:
   http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/hatespeech.html

   The truth is “hate speech” only to those who have something to hide

   This article was originally was written in response to efforts to conceal the Israeli spy scandal, the largest spy ring ever uncovered in the United States, behind cries of “hate” and “anti-Semite”. I am not “anti-Jewish”, I am anti-espionage. There’s a difference. I don’t blame the Jewish people for the crimes of the Israeli government and the Mossad any more than I blame Americans for the crimes of the United States Government and the CIA. Israel’s supporters constantly spin any criticism of Israel’s actions as hate against the Jewish people. Indeed so desperate are Israel’s supporters to dismiss criticism of Israel while being unable to refute the actual facts that they have taken to describing Jewish critics of Israel as “self-hating Jews.”

   The current focus on the Israeli spy ring is about crimes committed against our nation by a foreign government, plain and simple, and whether one opposes those crimes or is accessory to those crimes by seeking to conceal them. There can be a no more dangerous path than for our government, our media, and our citizens than to ignore the presence of the largest spy ring ever uncovered within our nation simply because it is connected with a “protected” nation presumed to be above reproach or criticism.

   I urge you to all to continue to contact your representatives and your local media and demand a full and public hunt for the spies in our midst. Those who seek to protect those spies by suppressing this story must be suspect.

   In the wake of the revelation of yet another spy scandal involving the Mossad, involving the arrests of the largest spy ring ever uncovered inside the United States, and the existence of a huge system that allowed Israel to track telephone calls by media, politicians, law enforcement, indeed all Americans, as well as the means to eavesdrop on actual calls by using the wiretapping system built into the telephone system by an Israeli owned company, any and all reports of this scandal have been met with the charges of “hate speech” and “anti-Semite”. Recent weeks have seen supporters of the self-proclaimed Democracy of Israel resorting to endless hacker attacks and online smear campaigns against web sites and authors whose only “crime” is to not go along with Israel’s agenda or of refusing to bury embarrassing scandals.

   These phrases, “hate speech” and “anti-Semite”, are well-worn devices to shut up a critic of Israel without having to answer the criticisms. Indeed they have been used so much that they have become red warning flags that the person using those phrases has something to hide and needs to shut down the discussion by any means possible. By screaming “hate speech” or “anti-Semite”, Israel’s supporters hope to shut down the debate without actually examining the issues involved.

   I’ve run this web site for 16 years. You can check through the pre 9/11 version of What Really Happened for yourself to see if I have had any excessive preoccupation with Israel during that time. Only since 9-11 have I paid any attention to Israel, and that solely because the ACTIONS of the government of Israel have called attention to Israel. In the wake of the spy arrests this is a story that Americans need to know about, to know that someone else may be listening when that phone is picked up, if the phone tapping system was actually paid for with the money we send Israel every year, to know what intelligence service may be blackmailing our government and media, and to what purpose. It is the deepest irony that the Anti-Defamation League that has blacklisted this very web site for “hate”, recently settled a lawsuit after being caught spying on Americans.

   Israel’s supports respond to any criticism by screaming, “He hates Jews!”. The truth is that I don’t hate the Jewish people. I know a lot of Jewish people and count as my friends the ones who are as respectful of me as I am of them. My first wife was Jewish. My closest business associate is Jewish. “Rivero” is a Sephardic name.

   What I hate are certain actions of INDIVIDUALS IN THE GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL. I hate the idea of someone spying on our nation’s citizens. I don’t like our own government to do it; why should I be any less opposed to a foreign government doing it? Why is it not reasonable to hate those who pry into our government, then use the information to coerce that government into actions contrary to the good of our own people? I hate that sort of behavior. All civilized people should. I would hate the perpetrators of the spy ring and the phone taping scandal if they were Russian, British, Lithuanian, Brazilian, whatever. That’s a perfectly normal response to this crime.

   Hate gets a bum rap. In our politically correct society we are taught that it’s bad to hate at all, but I disagree. Hate can be a good thing. There are lots of things I hate and I am not ashamed to admit it. I hate liars. I hate thieves. I hate drug dealers. I hate corrupt politicians. I hate child molesters, especially those hiding their crimes behind the church. These are hates that are good for the people to have. Maybe if more people allowed themselves to hate liars, thieves, druggies, and the corrupt, our nation wouldn’t be in the mess it’s in. Think about that for a while. Hate can be good. Hate could actually save our country.

   I hate those who presume to decide for us what we can and cannot see, hear, or read. I am firmly opposed to and have openly defied efforts by our own government to withhold from the people information the people need to make good decisions with. When the Israeli lobby coerces Fox News to erase the story about Israel’s spy ring, should I be less outraged at the concealment simply because the censors are Israeli? To NOT speak out about a crime because the perpetrators are Israeli is racist. Because this is EXACTLY what we are dealing with. Crimes. Espionage. Illegal wiretaps. Interference with investigations. Under the definitions in the USA Patriot bill, the organized campaign by AIPAC and others to force Fox News to drop the espionage story is itself (technically) an act of terror.

   To those who insist that the Israeli spy scandal should be ignored because it makes all of the Jewish people look bad, I ask if we should have ignored Jeffrey Dahmer’s cannibalism because it made the people of Milwaukee look bad?

   Speaking of racism, the ideal held forth in the Constitution and Declaration of Independence is that no one race is superior to others; that no one race should rule by virtue of being a specific race. We even fought a civil war partly on that principle, and while the United States has not always lived up to that ideal, we have never surrendered it as our goal. So, when Ariel Sharon openly bragged on October 3rd that, “We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it”, why should I not find this statement objectionable, and anti-American? Why should I not feel something less than affection for the man who made that statement? Why should a reasonable citizen of this nation not wonder to what extent Sharon was speaking the truth, especially in light of the manner in which Fox News was forced to erase the Carl Cameron stories?

   As seen in the subtitle above, the truth is “hate speech” only to those with something to hide. In the wake of the exposure of this latest spy scandal, the government of Israel might have expressed some public regret or shame over treating its purported friend, from whom it gets more foreign aid than is given to the entire continent of Africa, in such a shameful manner. Instead what we have seen is censorship of the American news by a foreign power, apparently with the permission of a compromised or complicit US Government, and the shrill cries of “hate speech” and “anti-Semite” hurled at anyone who dared presume to notice or comment on what Israel has been caught doing.

   If you want to know why Israel is so much in the news it isn’t because of “hate” and it isn’t because of “anti-Semitism”, it’s because foreign owned companies were caught bugging the phone system (including that of the White House) and foreign citizens have been arrested as part of the largest spy ring ever found in the United States and in the since-censored news story, the US Government admits to the existence of evidence linking those arrested spies to 9-11. That is NEWS, no matter what nationality is involved.

   The good side to the Fox News incident is that for the first time, Americans got a good look at just how much power and influence over what we see and hear is being exercised. It doesn’t even matter who did it; that it was done at all is the lesson for our time. In recent weeks, the same government that goes after kids for pirating music turned a totally blind eye to the massive hacking campaign directed at web sites critical of the official 9-11 story. People need to pay attention to that as well.

   It is not “hate” to point out facts the American people should be paying attention to, especially on the threshold to what might turn out to be a world war started by deception.

   It is not “hate” to point out that CNN followed Fox News’ example by erasing their story about the 2 hour advance warning of the World Trade Towers attacks received by employees of Odigo, one of the companies implicated in the espionage case.

   It is not hate to ask what really happened to USS Liberty.

   It is not hate to ask if the Lavon Affair was repeated at the World Trade Center.

   But if you want to see REAL hate in action, please read on.

   1. “There is a huge gap between us (Jews) and our enemies ­not just in ability but in morality, culture, sanctity of life, and conscience. They are our neighbors here, but it seems as if at a distance of a few hundred meters away, there are people who do not belong to our continent, to our world, but actually belong to a different galaxy.” Israeli president Moshe Katsav. The Jerusalem Post, May 10, 2001

   2. “The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more”…. Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time – August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000

   3. ” [The Palestinians are] beasts walking on two legs.” Menahim Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, “Begin and the Beasts”. New Statesman, 25 June 1982.

   4. “The Palestinians” would be crushed like grasshoppers … heads smashed against the boulders and walls.” ” Israeli Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

   5. “When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle.” Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.

   6. “How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to.” Golda Meir, March 8, 1969.

   7. “There was no such thing as Palestinians, they never existed.” Golda Maier Israeli Prime Minister June 15, 1969

   8. “The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war.” Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha’aretz, 19 March 1972.

   9. David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): “If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti – Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?” Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

   9a. Ben Gurion also warned in 1948 : “We must do everything to insure they ( the Palestinians) never do return.” Assuring his fellow Zionists that Palestinians will never come back to their homes. “The old will die and the young will forget.”

   10. “We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves.” Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.

   11. “Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don’t worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it.” – Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio. (Certainly the FBI’s cover-up of the Israeli spy ring/phone tap scandal suggests that Mr. Sharon may not have been joking.

   12. “We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel… Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours.” Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces – Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983.

   13. “We must do everything to ensure they [the Palestinian refugees] never do return” David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948, quoted in Michael Bar Zohar’s Ben-Gurion: the Armed Prophet, Prentice-Hall, 1967, p. 157.

   15. “We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai.” David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.

   16. “We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.” Israel Koenig, “The Koenig Memorandum”

   17. “Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population.” Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969.

   18. “We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?’ Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said ‘Drive them out!’” Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.

   19. Rabin’s description of the conquest of Lydda, after the completion of Plan Dalet. “We shall reduce the Arab population to a community of woodcutters and waiters” Uri Lubrani, PM Ben-Gurion’s special adviser on Arab Affairs, 1960. From “The Arabs in Israel” by Sabri Jiryas.

   20. “There are some who believe that the non-Jewish population, even in a high percentage, within our borders will be more effectively under our surveillance; and there are some who believe the contrary, i.e., that it is easier to carry out surveillance over the activities of a neighbor than over those of a tenant. [I] tend to support the latter view and have an additional argument:…the need to sustain the character of the state which will henceforth be Jewish…with a non-Jewish minority limited to 15 percent. I had already reached this fundamental position as early as 1940 [and] it is entered in my diary.” Joseph Weitz, head of the Jewish Agency’s Colonization Department. From Israel: an Apartheid State by Uri Davis, p.5.

   21. “Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours… Everything we don’t grab will go to them.” Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.

   22. “It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands.” Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14 July 1972.

   23. “Spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment… Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly.” Theodore Herzl, founder of the World Zionist Organization, speaking of the Arabs of Palestine, Complete Diaries, June 12, 1895 entry.

   There is a double standard at work. Israeli supporters prowl the internet and the media shouting “hate speech” not at those who actually hate, but at those who focus on the embarrassing truths Israel does not want Americans to think about while they pony up another few billions dollars. The good news is that Israel’s supporters have screamed “hate speech” and “anti-Semite” so much that the phrases have lost their shock value, which means they have lost their value to silence. Certainly I am not concerned about any labels placed on this web site by an organization of acknowledged spies. Indeed I am gratified to be recognized as such a threat to their plans and purposes. I am proud that efforts to get the truth out are working.

   This web site has had only one purpose since its creation; to make the cost of lies by politicians exceed the benefit of those lies, so that all government everywhere would discover that truth to the people is really the best policy. From the fear shown by Israel’s supporters in their hacking, smearing, and blacklisting, it would appear that this web site has at least in part been successful.
9. 

   Michael W.

   August 16, 2009 // Reply

   Sami,

   Do you actually believe in everything you just posted in the comment section? Do I really have to go through every quote and show you how they are dubious or hoaxes.

   Do you really want to reprint material from a website that posted this:

   Fyodor Dostoyevsky left us a prophecy of the threat to Christian civilization by emancipated Jewry.

   In his book, Diary Of A Writer, published in 1877, Dostoevsky penned a journal entry entitled “The Jewish Question.” With alarming and frightening foresight, by which he penetrated into today’s events, Dostoevsky predicted a growing domination over social and political affairs by the Jews with their newly acquired rights:

   “The Jews look forward to world domination. This requires them to maintain their own close-knit identity. If the Jews are given equal legal rights in Russia, but are allowed to keep their ‘State within a State,’ they would be more privileged than the Russians. The consequences of this situation are already clear in Europe.”

   ?
10. 

    Sami, the beduin.

    August 16, 2009 // Reply

    Dear W.,

    It is not only I believe in the quotes, I actually live them as I see the hell of the ZIONIST oppression… I know the zionist mentality very well as I dedicated some years while being in the Zionist jail to try to comprehend how and why a racist might think and act that way…. I read most of their roots starting from Herzl to Jabotenski up to Rabbi Kock and the rest of the zionist leaders….

    Knowledge is not in the books but in real life that I face as the son of the street…. and I don’t, and will not accept to have a VIP card from the racist occupier !!!

    So spare your time dear, I am HUMAN and cant be convinced to reconcile nor normalize with the RACIST ZIONIST both in theory and practice !!!

    Sami, the bedouin.
11. 

    Michael W.

    August 16, 2009 // Reply

    Sami,

    If these quotes are so true to reality, for you not only believe them, but live them, why publish some half-cooked quotes that are also published by half-cooked websites such as “whatreallyhappened.com/”.

    I wish that you share your reality through your own words, rather than attribute words to names of people of whom you’ve never met, that you read somewhere else and can’t verify their origins.

    I am willing to hear of your experiences. But when you start recycling the same ol’ falsely sourced quotes, it turns to MALICE.

    Herzl, Jabitonsky, Rabbi Kook, Ben-Gurion and so on, are all dead. Not only are you stuck in the past, you are misrepresenting the past. You didn’t even respond to any of my rebuttals regarding the false and dubious nature of your quotes.
12. 

    Michael W.

    August 16, 2009 // Reply

    One more thing, where did you get the name from?
13. 

    Sami, the beduin.

    August 16, 2009 // Reply

    Mr W,

    I receive your comments on my email account.

    It is not me who is stuck to the past, they are the zionists who live in their ancesters mentality of 2000 years ago of “Aam Yezrael”, the “chosen people” and the “promised land” What land and what promise dear?

    Plus, Israel is becoming more fanatic and extremist state specially after electing Leiberman and Nethanyaho… these are the real zionists…

    The fanatic zionists are (here and now) as I see them rampaging the land and shooting the natives and burning their fields… cant you see them?

    Sami, the bedouin.
14. 

    Michael W.

    August 16, 2009 // Reply

    Sami,

    Thanks for sharing my last name and my email address with the world. Both of those were not supposed to be published. I have no problem with you knowing them, but you aren’t supposed to write them in the comment section. I hope Esra’a will show you how to remove them. Oy vey!

    You wrote:
    

    It is not me who is stuck to the past, they are the zionists who live in their ancesters mentality of 2000 years ago of “Aam Yezrael”, the “chosen people” and the “promised land” What land and what promise dear?

    That’s the thing, how many Israelis have you heard evoke the “chosen people” phrase? Or the “promised land” phrase? . “Aam Yezrael” just means the nation of Israel, a common term used to label Jews in Tanakh. Most Israelis are secular. Sure, there are few fanatics in the settlements and elsewhere, but they are not true Zionists. In the beginning of the modern Zionist movement, the religious were the ones who were anti-Zionist. Nobody is evoking those statements. You are again projecting an argument to the Zionists, which they have not made, just like those false quotes which you attribute to early Zionist leaders. Herzl and Ben-Gurion were extremely secular.

    Lieberman campaigned on the platform of promoting the measure of loyalty oath. Look how that ended? His bill failed. Israeli democracy is strong enough to stop him. The state is even investigating him for criminal offenses.

    Netanyahu has already declared support for a Palestinian state, demilitarized as it maybe, that is up to negotiations. He’s hardly a fanatic. Remember, he was Prime Minister before, and his cabinet dissolved because he was moderating. After he couldn’t muster enough support, a left wing politician became PM.

    Till the Palestinians unite their rival factions, any diplomatic progress will stay at a standstill. But till that problem is resolved, attributing statements and arguments to the other side which it did not make, or painting Zionism as a monolithic fanatical movement serves no positive purpose for both sides. Israel is a modern state that has contributed greatly in science and technology. You and the Palestinians can benefit from Israel if you just promote and sell a vision to everybody, even your enemy (the Zionists), they will support you in creating a Palestinian state.
15. 

    Sami, the beduin.

    August 16, 2009 // Reply

    Dear Mr.W,

    First, it’s YOU who asked me where did I get your name from…. and it is my post that YOU chose to reply to… and to satisfy your curiousness, I gave you the details !!!

    Second, I dont have much time to refute and rerefute the Zionist heresies and reply to your Zionist propaganda. I have a mission to accomplish… to get free of the racist regime occupying my land and suffocating my people !!!

    Sami, the bedouin.
16. 

    Michael W.

    August 17, 2009 // Reply

    Sami,

    All I was trying to say is that don’t use my last name when it is supposed to be kept confidential. By asking you how you got my last name, I was hoping you would realize that you weren’t supposed to use my last name. Anyway, can you ask Esra’a or who ever manages the website to either edit the comments where you wrote down my last name and were you wrote my email address.

    I wasn’t asking you to refute my Zionist propaganda/heresies, as you call them. Just tell me how you can publish these quotes when their authenticity is in doubt.
17. 

    Sami, the beduin.

    August 18, 2009 // Reply

    Mr. W says:

    Just tell me how you can publish these quotes when their authenticity is in doubt.

    Again dear, for me, as living the situation I can tell you that these quotations are authentic and you can just go to the sourse they are taken from….. every quotation is stated where it is taken from, and you can check.

    However, the zionest version of the “truth” their truth anyway. is all lies and inauthentic for me… to tell you just one lie? Palestine for their ill ideology is: “a land without people for a people without a land” … What a funny lie !!! Palestine since it was the first to be inhabbited Canaanites it has never be “without people”……. and another lie? the “promised land” … what land and what promise? How cheaty to use God to decieve people !!! Shall I give you more? I know the zionist mentality perfectly dear and all the staed ubove quotations are very, very authentic and real.
    Sami, the bedouin.
18. 

    Michael W.

    August 18, 2009 // Reply

    I did check, and you haven’t responded to my inquiries.

    And about the new quote in your newest comment, “a land without people for a people without a land”, it wasn’t first said by a Jew or Zionist. It was said by a Christian Restorationist in 1843 and wasn’t never widely used by Jewish Zionists.

    And again about the whole “promised land” thing, who brought that up? I believe it was you.

    Not only are you using false quotes, but you are also projecting arguments to people who didn’t make them.

    Just because you spent 18+ years in an Israeli jail, it doesn’t mean so-and-so (some Zionist) called you whatever (something bad) or said something inhumane.

    Just think about this – Samir Kuntar, tried and convicted in a court of law for murdering 5 people, and sentenced to 5 life sentences, graduated from an Israeli University while in jail. Also, he married an Israeli Arab (later divorced) while in jail, and the wife received a monthly stipend as a wife of a prisoner.
19. 

    Auto Repair

    November 14, 2009 // Reply

    Hey I just wanna let you know that you have a really great blog here! I really enjoy your style of writing and the way you designed your blog. Keep up the excellent quality work!
20. 

    Maria Serione

    December 7, 2009 // Reply

    this is awesome …thanks for your wonderful interests… visit my web and listen to my music, you can also download free tracks
21. 

    Arthur wilde

    December 19, 2009 // Reply

    Hey, thanks for your blog, helpful news…
22. 

    Duenionuses

    January 19, 2010 // Reply

    As a Newbie, I am forever searching online after articles that can help me. As a consequence of you
23. 

    silent films on dvd

    April 19, 2010 // Reply

    Really interesting to examine

Leave a Comment Cancel reply