Were Palestinians Originally Jewish?
Someone sent me a video link.
I think it’s kind of wild, especially since there were times when I’ve met certain Arabs I thought – “Oh my God, he looks so Jewish holding that prayer book” or “She looks just like my aunt” – and even at times felt as if we were closer than sisters or brothers. There was no explanation for this.
There’s a link to a newspaper article written about this subject …. here
So at a retreat a few weeks ago at the Austrian Hospice, I asked one of my Palestinian friends who lives in the Hebron area if he believes this theory that they come from Jewish stock. He tells me ‘Oh yes, my grandfather told me we are descended from Bar Kochba .’
Israelis I tell this to were like – ok, now they’ll really have our official Right of Return, since they’re all from Jewish ancestry
Then I think one could understand more – with this theory in mind – why their explusion/fleeing from their villages in 1948 was so painful for them and that they commemorate it each year, as we have done for 2,000 years on the anniversary of our exile.
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Amazing !
Shall we say amazing, perplexing, or disgusting?
I am from the Sawarhah tribe mentioned in the clip … but I feel frustrated of how, and to what degree the zionists are tricky and foolish at the same time !!!
At the time the whole world it talkng of the global village, and I am thinking of how I stepped out of my tribalistic mentality, the zionists are stuck deep in their tribalism of Moses and Sinai? Disgusting !!! How a human can justify his existence only by being one of the “chosen people”!! Why should I, sami, the bedouin, be reminded always of this racist mentality that can never see the human horizon !! What the hell in their dirty mentality to come to me, Sami the bedouin, and tell me that your tribe is a jewish one !!! Funny, Amazing and disgusting !!!
But the question that should be asked is Why? Why in hell this new trick? What is their next trick? What the hell their zionist mentality thinking of plundering after stealing the land and the heritage? Didnt they call “falafel” to be an israeli food? didnt they steal our bedouin dressing to claim it to be of one of their tribes?
Amazing, funny, disgusting, perplexing and put thousands of question marks in my already exhausted mind !!!
Talking of genetics to prove this man or tribe is jewish or goyi, i.e not jewish, less human, beasts? (why to be afraid, it is stated in the Talud, their Talmud anyway, that they are the chosen people and all the others are their slaves, they are the beloved son of god !! which god, I dont know) The world uses science to serve humanity and they use science to prove their foolish claim of the “chosen people” !!! The hell, I cant write more !!!
Sami, the bedouin.
PS: I got to be happy, finally they discovered “genetically” that I am one of the “chosen people” !!! Funny and disgusting !!
there is some deviance like DNA and chromosome x and the big surprise that the Ashkenazim Jewish have the same chromosome X of the Palestinian people…THATS MEAN 80% OF THE PALESTINIANS ARE JEWISH ORIGIN….
Salam Mr Mohammed alabed
You may not know but the Ashkenazim (majority of Jews) whom we also call German Jews due to their mame loshen, mother tongue of Yiddish which is mix of Hebrew script and German/Slavic words, these are GENETICALLY, descended from Turks who were called Khazars, of the kingdom of Khazaria who converted from their religion of that time to the Yehudi religion, they married Yehudi women and started practicing the Yehudi religion and from that point on became Yehudi. Many prominent and certified genetic studies on this subject of Ashkenazi descent have happened, but due to obvious reasons, they have been “suppressed” so to speak.
If you state that the male DNA is shared with the Palestine people, then the male ancestors were of the Aryan/Turkish line. Hence the “fair skin” and “European looks”.
Lets get out of this stupid discourse of jewish/non-jewish !!! Why are they claiming so? Is it a matter of chromosome or dirty politics !!! What do they want to plunder else? Are they aiming at our historical and religious sites? Are they going to give false history to the land of Canaan? WHAT IS THE TRICK?
Sami, the bedouin (shall I add Sawarka to be bless with their “reverent” rabbis?)
As the doctor mentions in the documentary, the “Kurds of Babylon” refers to the now shia Turks of Iraq who remain on the border of present day Turkey and Iraq, these are the people saddam tried to gas out.
As per Torah history, there were 2 exiles of the Bni Israel, one in 736 BCE where the assyrians deported the ruling elite of the “10 lost tribes” i.e. all of the Bni Israel except Yehudi and Levi, to present day Iran, where due to poverty and refugee status the “10 lost tribes” were pushed to the mountains of present day afghanistan and then settled in the Suleman mountain range on the border of present day afghanistan and present day pakistan. The world knows these direct genetic descendants of the “10 lost bni israel tribes” as the Pathans/Pashtuns/Pakhtuns, and they make up the taliban fighters who battle today with US and Nato forces.
The second exile was about 80 years after 736 bc when the Babylon (present day Iraq) empire invaded Israel of that time and kidnapped Levi and Yehudi and took them to present day Iraq as slaves, they were freed about a century later (not sure about exactly when) by Cyrus II, this freeing of Yehudi is celebrated today as their Hanukah holiday.
Aside from the above, which is good knowledge to know, I come to the subject of this topic.
It is established fact through history that the people of Cannan Valley (Israel and present day arabia) were converted to Bni ISrael religion by their judges, patriarchs and prophets. Hence it is not possible for the tribes to maintain the unique tribe identity i.e. cohen may have single male dna, but the other tribes eg asher, reuben, naphtali etc it is not possible to identify each tribe descendants uniquely now due to the inter marriages over time. This is the problem that rabbis of Israel face today. According to their (and our) prophet Ezekiel, the descendants of Yosef (specifically his sons Ephraims children) must return to the land of Israel and mix with the Yehudi, only then with the Moshiah / Mashiach return. The “problem” is that large numbers of Jews today are converts, not of “pure yehudi” blood descent. And most people who call themselves Jews are actually descended from all kinds of tribes. Hence only Yehudi as a tribe remains. Hence the “scattered diaspora of the first assyrian exile” are the children of Yosef and other 10 tribes, THESE children of Yosef have to return to Am Yisrael. Do you see the problem? The Ethiopian lemba bni israel returned from Africa, the bi menashe of the Burma-India border returned, large numbers of Sephardi from brazil returned, even the mountain jews of russia returned,……but still no moshiach. See, Prophet Ezekiel was very very specific, he said children of Yosef, the descendants of Ephraim. The last people on earth, directly connected with the Assyrian bni israel exile 2500 years ago are the Pathan/Pashtun of Afghanistan and Pakistan, 25 million strong, the largest remaining tribal confederation on earth. The problem is that they are all muslims now, and have guns and most are brainwashed into suicide bombing and joining ranks of taliban who fight an undefinable war with the us and nato. That is the problem, Israel, you want your Bni Ephraim? Take the taliban, the Yousufzai (children of yosef, the largest pathan tribe in pakistan) and other tribes have been waiting 2500 years to return home.
The question is, do you have what is takes to execute such a mass movement of people?
This comment I received from a jewish friend after she read the article:
welcoming me to be the newest one to the jewish tribe, not her tribe (mentally) anyway.
Just look how silly the proof is: they took the niche (a hole in the rock) to be proof that we, the bedouins, (originally and “genetically” jews, in their new super-postmodernist discovery) use this niche to put candles, or whatever they do in there jewish rites. !!!
First, the rocks in the desert are full of niches, and that depends on the topographic nature of the desert.
second, we use the niches as a protective place for out little lambs, and to store grains or just to store our things to come back at the end of the day to stay the night back there.
Third, they forgot that this land was first inhabited by Canaan and they just came later in history from the peripheries of the desert to invade the Canaanite Kingdom…. and they never ruled all of Palestine… but just the eastern part of it…. they are tiny and short stage in history of Palestine but claiming that God promised them to have it…. Shall I come up with a new theory that God promised me, sami, the bedouin, to give me Jerusalem? It would be great if God gave me just one promised acre !! I can prove it “genetically” that God gave me thia acre !! Funny !!
The stars that were used as a proof are in different shapes pentagonal hexagonal and Octavius, and even the hexagonal is more like the Byzantine ones.
The foolish thing is that they, the zionists, are not capable to realize that we are all humans, and we all have a similar genetic constituents and structure, this is first,
second, the jews are not one tribe, they are just like all the other religions followed by all the races, otherwise judaism = racist, which is not IMHO.
third, if the jews are a tribe (hypothetically), so what are we talki9ng about when studying the 12 Maccabees tribes? are the Maccabees one tribe? What about the lost 10 tribes? Are we talking about two tribes still not lost? they zionists owe us explanation if they still insist to keep tribalistic, the notion of which I stepped out of to the broad humanity while they are still stepping back to the ages of darkness !!!
Forth, if we are genetically equal, so why the jew has the right to return but me, who was kicked out of his home is forbidden !! Are the zionists capable of thinking humanly !!!
So, finally it is proven the I am, Sami, the bedouin, is “genetically” just like the jews and their is a human blood in my viens and not just a beast (a goyi) !!
Why should I defend against the zionist heresies anyway?
Sami, the bedouin.
I am sure, that you have studied the history of your land. “King” David was unanimously crowed leader of the Palestinian people of his time when he escaped from his father in law King Saul (Talut) and joined the Palestinian people in battle against the Benyamin King and the 10 Bni Israel tribes. Hence we can, by history call David a king of the Palestinians, before he attacked Israel, forcibly taking the throne and hence becoming the second recorded King of a united Israel. Of course, when he became King of Israel then he attacked the Philistines to “defend” Israel against their barbarianisms.
When he became King, his Yehudi capital city was not Yerushalim, but Hebron, the ancestral capital of the tribe of Judah. According to (2 Sam. 6.3-4) the Ark was in a house in Gibeah; Gibeah was also called Gibeath-Benjamin or Gibeath-Saul, the capital city of the kingdom during the reign of Saul. Hence Davids father in law who was Benyamins first king, his Benyamin capital was Gibeath-Saul. David hence chose a “neutral” city, the Palestinian Urusalim, now known as Jerusalem, and it was this city which became Judahs capital later after Solomons time when the kingdom split into 2 again, with samaria being the 10 tribes capital. The point is the connection of Jerusalem with the Yehudim and Davids followers (think of it like politics first, then a point of religion) is that Jerusalem was a “military” victory for them, and then became a “religious centre” for them, as is written in their books. Hence those among them who believe in their book, just as you believe in your book, they will never back down, they would rather die and hold on to it, just as their ancestors did, who died holding on to it, with military might.
So the question of you, sami the bedouin, or sami the “bad one”, as you called yourself in some posts, is one of current political change. The last 2 options left for the rabbis of Israel for the Bni Ephraim to unite with the Yehudim are either to convert the Palestinian people to Judaism, their current form of religion, or to import the descendants of the Bni Ephraim from the Suleiman mountains of Pakistan, in both cases these people are now muslims, and poor, radicalized militant ones at that. How they will go about doing either one of these things, is what will now guide the state and the rabbinate to act. Of course the third option would be independence and separate countries, although there may be certain issues, such as the lack of army for the Palestinian people, or a rocket or space program, or limitations on weapon production.
anyway we dont have benefit of claiming the origin of Palestinians or Jews now we have political issue and Jews and Palestinians are now enemies to each other and solve this problem first because to know who you are is not important because it was thousands of years ago and history will be history …..
Ah, that is exactly where you are incorrect, Mr Alabid. The palestinian people and the yehudi hate each other BECAUSE of their history, which they are taught in the homes, schools, universities and they experience in daily life. The points I raise above are precisely very relevant to what is happening in your lands. I understand you may not be able to grasp what I speak about because I quoted above from Jewish sources, and since they have the decisionmaking power and initiative right now, they will read this and understand what I am telling them. History that was….thousands of years ago, it is re-enforcing what is happening in your lands right now, as they re-attempt to recreate history as it happened, so that their moshiach could return. There is no other (religious/behavioural) explaination for what is happening around us, unless of course you believe in darwins theory of evolution and survival of the fittest, but that is another story altogether. Till then, if you read between the lines in what I say, you will start seeing from their point of view.
i.e. history itself will have to be “rewritten”, or reality must be “rewritten” to match the predicted outcome of history. Either you must “liberalize” your understanding of history, or you match your current situation like a jigsaw, with what the ancestors predicted the world of today should be like and you hence recreate the conditions that were, at the time of David. One of the 2 situations will prevail.
Ponder and Discuss, it is our right as the protectors of this time, to bring about the Tikkum Olam by our Tzedekah.
A lot of Jews were forcibly converted to Christianity and Islam over the centuries. Some of them functioned as Marranos or Conversos, retaining a secret history of their origins.
It is going too far however to assign such a history to the majority of Arabs living in Israel. While some may have had Jewish ancestors, just as many Spanish people do, that is only one trace origin.
The Jewish people are those who kept the faith over the centuries, through generations of oppression and persecution, not those who blended in to the conquering population and now oppress us in their name.
long live taliban pasthun May Alloh help you in raising Tawhid Flag in Al Aqsa that’s your home pastun. So leave the dessert in afgan or somali. together we can go home ameen ameen ameen
? Not at all. Taliban are misguided pawns of the frustrated arab warmongers, because the pashtun who become Taliban are dirt poor, uneducated, have no social or family outlet, have not jobs and hence no money and hence cant get married, so they join the only group that welcomes them and “fights the man…” the Taliban. They destroy girls schools, brainwash 5-10 year old children into becoming suicide bombers, kidnap and kill for ransom, and feul the afghan drug trade, the largest producers of the worlds heroin and opium. There are no afghan or pashtun in Somalia, only africans there. The Bni Israel are our cousins and blood brothers, whether they like it or not.
Apparently if I am from a direct Etruscan blood line from my mother’s line then maybe my DNA is the same as Semitic/Hebrew/Palestinian as well from maybe 3000 years ago from the time of Solomon. Maybe my blood line was sent to civilise Italy. The Etruscans had language and were civilised and came before the Romans who were barbarians at the time. Apparently my family came from the place that was the capital of the Etruscans. They also were Semitic speakers as well, and the only known translation of the Etruscan language is into Phoenician. Just the Roman Italians don’t want to admit it.
What shall I do?
Will they give me some land and build me a house so I can go back to my roots? How do I know where my roots are? Maybe my blood line is very rare, and I need to be protected like an endangered species.
What will they do with all of the people that are not real, and are just pretend converts?
Will they test their blood and then send them back to their country of origin?
I hope they will be OK.
I know that Putin said he wants the Russians to go back, especially the women, so that Russia does not get de-populated, and apparently they are offering for them to go and colonise some islands in between Russia and Japan.
I agree that it’s pretty stupid for any people who think they are Jewish and say that they are Semitic to say anything against Arab speakers. They have Aramaic in their books which is from the Nabateans, and Aramaic as a language then went on to influence the development of the Arabic language.
Mostly I would just say that the biggest Jewish ‘problem’ nowadays is actually for the people who are from the Khazars in Southern Russia and Eastern Europe who were given a lot of problems historically. They only converted to be neutral. If they are from Khazars then they are related to people like the Chechens, Azerbayjanis, Georgians, and Ugyurs.
The only reason that there was such problems for those people, is because it is an important strategic region, so that’s why they are always terrorised/terrified, so now they just want to go and terrorise some other people in turn.
I read 110million died as a result of communism under the hands of their own leaders. I am not suprised people want to leave Russia. At the same time, Russia is not the same place as it was. Now instead Putin has the problem ofo so many different mafias, that he can’t even keep them under control, so personally I would even think that it would be a good idea for Israel to send the Russians back, and to be nice to their own Palestinian blood brothers. I think it’s too easy to give Alliya to any person who can say they are Jewish. There are a lot of people who are coming from Russia who are just anti-Islam because of Chechnya. It is pretty stupid if the real Khazars are descended from the same tribe as the Chechens.
I forgot to mention the religion that the Semitic speaking Etruscans practiced would possibly have been related to an ancient Canaanite tradition, but it does not necessarily mean that I want to return to practicing this ancient tradition. I would need to learn how to read animal entrails for prophecy for a start.
I should also say that from what I understand, the original religion of Solomon, and David – is totally and completely different to the contemporary Jewish religion in a number of forms. I would also say that the religion as I would see it at the time, was a form of allegiance to a royal blood line.
From what I understand, it would be pretty impossible to state that any form of religion of today could be stated as being ‘true’ to any one point in time of any past ‘religious practice’ – since religion like blood, or time, or even the shape of the land, or language, or any form of reality or cultural practice, will always be subject to change.
Even in Judaism, there are different strands of religious belief that have evolved from different groups of what might have been different sections of an original society that was exiled.
It is true that the original Jews were persecuted at the time of Jesus, but that was also because the followers of Jesus were also persecuted, which would indicate the connection with the blood line theory of Jesus being descended from David and Solomon. There were also the people that stayed. It is also true that it is said of the original rebellion that the people were divided against each other, by the Romans, and that it was only later that under Constantine 300 years later the Roman empire took the religion for themselves as a form of cultural domination.
Waaaaaw.
Is that why the CIA send them secret mysterious unmarked helicopters to air-lift them out of trouble when they get into too much trouble with the US forces?
Oh my goodness – Qazi Fazli Azeem – now you gave Sholeef the excuse for him to get the Taliban to go and protect Al Aksa and then that will make a problem for the 12 tribes. How will they convert them to Judaism I don’t know!
Do I class as a tribe of lost Etruscan/Phoenicians?
Aren’t we all descended from the first humans in the Rift Valley, and since the Rift Valley runs all the way from Africa and up to the region in between the occupied West Bank and Jordan, and up to Syria, doesn’t that mean that all the people of the planet historically come from this region? Unless they are aliens put here by a spaceship?
Qazi – I agree with what you wrote – I read also that David was a despot who enslaved people under him, and was such a tyrant that there was a rebellion against him, which he then crushed, and the construction of the temple under his son Solomon was then mostly in order to justify himself as the ‘son of god’ in order to justify his own reign over the region?
Isn’t it true that the first temple was a copy of the temple in Tyre, in what is now Lebanon and was constructed by the Phoenicians?
Isn’t it true that the religion changed over thousands of years, according to different circumstances and therefore the religion that is used today is basically just a hotch-potch of different elements of various different aspects of society that don’t necessarily fit together, re-surrected to create a more simplistic version that fits in with a more modernistic view of reality?
Isn’t it also true that there were lots of conflicts even within their own society already about what the ‘true’ religion actually was already at the time of Jesus, and then everybody then went off in different directions and then there were lots of different sub-sects of different versions that all changed at different times, and that’s why there is such a mess now today? Is it possible to say that everybody should be the ‘same’? Isn’t it better for people to have variety?
Isn’t it true that to resurrect the ancient religion, they would need to base it on allegiance to the blood line of David? Isn’t that why Jesus who was described as being from the line of David, was described as competition for Herod as ‘King of the Jews’/'son of God’?
Isn’t it true that the description ‘son of God’ was taken from the description David gave to himself, so therefore it is not correct for conventional Jews to use it today and only someone from the ‘blood line’ of Jesus who could so?
Isn’t it true that Herod took over the Temple was a Romanised convert to Judaism who was actually from a different tribe, and that’s why there was the uprising against him at the time of Jesus?
Isn’t it true that the Nazoreans the religious sect that Jesus was a part of then migrated East to Iran and Iraq and influenced the Mandaeists and the Sabians?
How does all of this together?
How can it fit together?
Can’t they just make the ancient land of Canaan a protected heritage site for all people of all religions?
Including Lebanon?
Oh – and what about the Masons and the Royal families of Europe that some people in conspiracy theories describe as being a ruling elite blood line and think that Jesus’ family migrated to France and they are all descended from him and that’s why they all think that they are superior to everyone else and can rule over everyone and take all their money in order to stay at the top?
Apparently the Masonic lodges are copies of Phoenician temples, and they do weird ancient rituals as well that probably should have stayed in the ancient times of the Babylonians. What have these got to do with the modern age?
What about the fact that in the ancient times, they worshipped a variety of different ‘gods’ including ‘Baal’ (who then got demonised) Melqart, Ashtara, Ashtarte, and Yahweh was just one amongst many?
Does the story of Abraham and Isaac represent the transition from the ancient religion of ‘Baal’ that involved child sacrifice to ‘God’ then got converted to a more peaceful version of the religion of ‘Yahweh’? Wasn’t it all about worshipping the god in the clouds because they needed rain for the crops?
Isn’t it a bit ridiculous for any person to try and pretend to go back to an ancient time of 3000 years ago which is completely and totally different to what they practice today when we live in a completely different cultural age?
Ok. So if Palestinian Arabs are Jews that means we have originated and lived there since time immemorial. Now give us back our land and nation. For we have a rightful claim and COVENANT with it.
so we here as hebrew descendant fight each other?????? that is okay for me. Because since our first descendant yoseph alaihis salaam brother has been fight each other. That is until today…..
So only the right person regardless the bloodline will win……
I will never surrender to the hand of other than islam……….
Although i obviously a hebrew descendant from male line above my, my father. my grandfather, my great grandfather is hebrew them all. But we are just relax. And stay moslem.
And it is very hard to find a moslem from hebrew descendand
To Sammy “the Bedouin”
The truth hurts. Nobody says that now you are a choseb person. All it says is that there is strong evidence that before Islam many of the originally israelites that stayed in Israel (ususally the lower classes) converted to Christianity and then to Islam. They were the uneducated populance, yet of Jewish descent.
The argument is also against ISlam: how dare the Mulims build Al Aqsa on the ruins of the Jewish Temple?? It’s like the Jews or the Christians decided to build on Al Kaaba in Mecca!!!
Truly, you may not be of Jewisg decent. IUt’s nice to know you are not tribal. You are also being insensitive to the fact that the “chosen people” are some of the most traumatized people in history. Do sone reading maybe and counrt the times Jews in Israel were enslaved, murdered, eradicated almost to the bone. Google Hadrian who in 130 AD skaughtered 580,000 Jews in Israel.
Palestinians: stop acting like your tragedy is the ultimaye discrace in human history. The Jews waited 2,000 years to re-earn their state, and you are so resentful after only 60 years. This is the proof that Jewish connection to th land is so deep. Maybe you sensethat your connection lacks in the spiritual dimension and within no time you will lose your connection.
G-D is LOVE and only LOVE will ReBuild the HOLY TEMPLE in Our Hearts and Re circumsize our Hearts because G-d knows most of us need it!
Whether Jew, Musilim or Christian: I am positive that hatred and killing Breaks G-D’s Heart and Abraham;s Heart to see their children slaughtering one another.
The Satan is having a field day because he especially hates the Children of Abraham. (whether they be from Sarah or Hagar.
Man with a Message
Shalom everyone I had the honor to meet this great man of vision and peace in Jerusalem and I too am a Palestinian Jew and I live in Judea Sumeria among the Arabs and I teach them of there true Hebrew Israelite origins.
I had the honor of meeting this great man of vision and peace Mr Tsvi and I too am a Palestinian Jew and I live among the Muslim Arabs of Judea Sumeria and everything Mr Tsvi has said is true we are of Hebrew Israelite origin.I come from the tribe of Ephriam who is the son of Jacob the father of the 12 tribes of Israel. God bless Mr tsvi for this reunification movement to unite all the lost tribes of Israel right here in Judea Sumeria the birth place of the 12 tribes of Israel.
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