“Peace” or Occupation Plus Normalization
September 3rd, 2009The zionists are not going to freeze settlement and they are going ahead in their project in judaizing the whole of Palestine. This is what all the zionist ministers state repeatedly, against the will of the whole world who is begging them for “peace”, as MK Silvan Shalom stated yesterday after meeting with a Palestinian officer: “Settlement is one of our central projects at Likud party, and who thinks that settlement will halt during our reign is mistaken.”
وقال شالوم:أن المشروع الاستيطاني هو أحد الشعارات المركزية التي يرفعها حزب الـ«ليكود»، ومن يعتقد أن هذا المشروع سيتنكفئ في فترة حكم الليكود فهو مخطئ. وأضاف قائلا: ” ثمة موقف واضح في الليكود، تتبناه غالبية أعضاء الحزب وهو أنهم لن يؤيدوا أي إجراء من شانه أن يخنق الاستيطان
The zionist projects is clear in aiming at all of historic Palestine as an additional step toward the Greater Israel. Who doesnt see this either gullible or collaborator.
The zionists dont want peace but for their “chosen people” and they dont see at all that there is an occupied people suffering and struggling to get free since ages. They only see the (Zchut ha Shiva) Right To Return for their fellow jews at the time preparing to kick the rest of the Palestinians out of their homeland.
They, the zionists, are not going to halt or freeze settlement in the whole West Bank (sorry, Yehuda vi Shomron יהודה ושומרון) but all what they aiming at is full normalization with all the Arab countries at the time they are fully occupying and suppressing the Palestinian people.
The zionist project is going ahead at the time the Americans are trying their best to facilitate it by the Help of Mr. Mitchel, and the British to complete their (Balfour) Declaration with the help of Mr. Tonny, the “benevolent”.
Sami, the bedouin.
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Sami…
As you know, Netenyaho and Leberman are the leaders of the Zionism..
They are elected to complete and to go ahead In their project ” the project of Zionist”.
The freezing for the Palestinians from two years ago, that’s to let the Zionism to complete their project by building more and more sattlements in West Bank and to be continued….!
Look there’s no solution for two states maybe next Nakba!!
No”justice” No”pease”!!!
Mr.Unknown
Enough is enough,
once (what a great time was this) middleeast youth was a great portal for fresh and good stories. But since a while more and more blunt antisemitic stories are published.
AND NOW even the old lying, faked protokolls of zion!!!
That´s so sad, and makes me angry and a bit hopeless too.
Thats my end on mideast youth, even before it started.
regards
Mr. istvanst says:
If you are sad and hopeless of just an article how about me who since I was born I am under occupation and hear this sibilant symphony of “peace” everyday but dont see but torture and humiliation? !! Should be “angry and hopeless” or not?
First, I brought you some news that were published yesterday, and even from israeli press, that the settlement project is there and they wont stop it.
Second, no ! English readers are not the only readers I address, didnt you see that I write hebrew to please you and your fellows too?
third, You feel nostalgia for the days when you used to meet hypocrites who smile into your face. I cant be hypocrite, This is not in my blood. My blood is TRUTH+ but not hypocrite-. I can give you tons of articles that deceive you of peace but is this the reality? If you dont like my narrative just flip the page and go away to those who deceive you of “peace” while in reality there is nothing but deception.
The zionists (Silvan Shalom), not me, who are saying it clearly that the settlement project is their central project !! and of course, the hell whith the peace but for Aam Yesrael !!
Sami, the bedouin
Sami,
if your opinions are based on a hoax like zionist protocol and anti-semitism, then I doubt if anyone will take your words seriously here, even though your plights are genuine. You accuse the Zionists to be racist, but your posts are dripped with insulting remarks towards Judaism, even though there are a number of Jewish people and organization around the world who support the Palestinian cause. This way, you look like those typical hypocrite radical Muslims who use the Israel-Palestinian conflict to display their personal hateful bigotry.
Israel is a democratic country which values the right of free speech. In fact, Israeli Arabs, who are elected to the Israeli Parliament, are free to express themselves, and to denounce the policies that they deplore.
Once you allow people to say what is on their minds, then it is no wonder that some leaders will speak about Greater Israel, and their dream to establish a larger Israel on more land. That is their opionion. That does not mean that their opinion will become the basis of a future accomodation with the Palestinians for the sake of peace.
Everybody is talking about the settlments, as if the settlements are the beginning and end of everything. I personally don’t think that the settlements are all that significant. First of all, very few new building permits have been issued since President Obama has made it an issue. But even beyond that, let’s think about this for a minute.
Once a final deal has been struck, then most of the settlements will be handed over to the Palestinians, as envisioned in the deal offered by Clinton and Barrack in the year 2000. A few major settlements will be retained by Israel in exchange for Israeli land. And if you ask me, if some Jews want to continue living in the State of Palestine, what the hell is wrong with that? It is no different than Israeli Arabs living in Israel, who number 20% of the population. In fact, prime minister Fayaad said that as far as he was concerned, there would be nothing wrong in having Jews living in Palestine, once the state came into being.
With all due respect, the settlement issue is just a diversion. If you want to move toward peace, you find ways to respect one another and to create jobs. Business is the great equalizer. Business creates its own ideological imperative. Once people are making money together, they have little time or patience for ideological nonsense, whether it be a Greater Israel, or a desire to wipe Israel off the map. Let’s get on with the business of peace, istead of comforting ourselves with the delusions of ideological extremes.
Mr. Dahan says:
The bedouin says:
Where is the peace Mr. Dahan? It’s been ages they are deuding us with it !! You speak of “ideological delusion”? Look at What Mr. Sharon said in 1998, at the time the wole world was “deluded” by the zionist peace,
to see for your bare eyes that the settlement issue is the very core of the zionist project, it’s and still the founder mother of israel that was established on the Yeshuv mentality and “another donum, another sheep” startegy, and here there is no difference at all between leftist or rightist governments of the consecutive zionist ones since 1948 !!!
Sami, the bedouin.
Just one addition dear sami:
You dont have to use hebrew to adress me, or my kind, whatever kind you think i am. I dont speak hebrew and my arab is much better than the few hebrew words i know.
And NO i am not looking for smilling people but for a solution for our region.
Istvan, just a guy from cairo
Sami, it is interesting that you should refer to Ariel Sharon. Let’s say that he said this on November 15, 1998. That is fine in good. But if I’m not mistaken, Sami, wasn’t it Ariel Sharon who cleared out and disbanded the Jewish settlements in Gaza? Umm, I wonder why he did that? Perhaps because in light of new realities on the ground, he came to conclusion that those settlments had to be given up, because doing so was in Israel’s best interest.
What does that tell you, Sami? Perhaps not to pay too much attention to what people have to say. If I took seriously everything you had to say, I’d probably shoot myself in the head. But I take what you say with a grain on salt, and I say to myself, “Is there a way to convince him that there is indeed another way.”
People can talk all day long. Most of what we have to say dosn’t make a whole lot of sense. We have a choice. We can bury our heads in nonsense, and pay close attention to what everyone has to say, or we can choose to create new realities on the ground, realities which speak louder than words.
The peace is in our hearts and in our minds, and in our willingness to do something about it, and to try something new. We have become prisoners of the old formulas. It’s getting old. We have to find the courage and the imagination to push the envelope just a little bit, and to build a new Palestine that lives up to the potential of its people.
I had lunch today with people from Johns Hopkins University who want to open a Center for Talented Youth in Palestine. Their program would teach science to the brightest Palestinian kids, with a focus on the environment. The program would be internet based, initially, but would be expanded to include face-to-face lab work and summer camp with young Israelis. If we open enough of these programs throughout the Middle East, we could have a regional consortium of partners offering scientic enrichment to young students from all over the Middle East?
Are you willing to support us in this, Sami? Could this be a neutral pathway to peace?
We also envision a regional consortium of university partners who choose to collaborate on scientific research that is geared to solving the environmental problems which are endemic to the region, such as water shortages and the like.
Are you willing to support us in this, Sami? Could this be a neutral pathway to peace?
We also envision a consortium of regional partners who will facilitate a partnering between environmental scientists and local Palestinian entrepreneurs, in an effort to launch new products and technologies, so as to create profits and jobs for a new Palestine? Eventually, a Palestine Institue for the Environmennt could be built. It would be called P.I.E. for short, by which we suggest that everyone on earth is entitled to his share of the “pie,” his or her stake in the future.
Are you willing to support usi in this, Sami? Could this be a neutral pathway to peace?
In short, less words, and more action. Our leaders are not going to get us out of this mess. And endless word games are not going to help either. What is needed is some imagination and some bold action by people of goodwill who choose to bring justice not through the barrel of a gun, but through the hard work of giving everyone on earth a place at the table.
Mr. Dahan,
First, I didnt give you very old quotes of what the zionists say; go back to the post to see that they said it just yesterday and will say it tomorrow, and wont stop their project.
Second, there is no occupation gets out of his free well, what kicked Sharon out was the brave freedom-fighter of Gaza, ask any (Hayal) israeli soldier of the Gazan men to explain to you that they turned their life to hell before forcing them out. Wasnt it Rabin who said: “I wish I would wake up in the morning to see Gaza swallowed in the sea”? Gaza was and still a nightmare for the israeli leaders… and only this way any land can be liberated !!!
Third, Gaza has no historic significance at all to the jews, and Mr. Sharon got out from there (actually forced out) just to occupy the West Bank forever !!
Who is the prisoner of the past Mr. Dahan? is it us, the Palestinians or those who are dreaming of Zion day and night and talk of Eretz Yesrael of 2000 years ago? The zionists are entrapped in their old-aged ideology and cant see reality but through their zionist glasses of “Eretz Yesrael” and the “chosen people”…. we are post modern dear, Wake up!!
What scientific researches? Scientific research that prove “genetically” who is a jew and who’s not? These are the researches that you do to shrink back to your roots 2000 years ago to prove again that you are “genetically “the Chosen people” !!!
I cant be part of a deceitful “peace” process that instead of taking us a step forward, plant another settlement and occupy another hilltop according to Sharon’s recommendation and his successors of Netanyahu and Shalom !!
Instead of suggesting Shining projects, just leave us a lone and we, Palestinians are capable of building our state as the best in the region… no peace under occupation dear, nor there would be any economic or social improvement !!! A state under occupation? how come? Shall I ask for a VIP to move and get permission to import my goods?
Sami, the bedouin.
I agree with Izstvanst, this blog used to be a positvie force for change but now it is just a vehicle for the antisemitism and propaganda of Sami al-Bedu and Mazin Qumsiyeh. What a shame…
So Davka,
The accusation is ready: “antisemitic”??? And lots of Legislations were passed in the different countries to criminalize who dares to criticize the zionist regime and the zionist crimes !!!
Read the post again to see that I stated nothing but what your zionist leaders say and even in your own media published inside the zionist entity !!! I am a semitic person and even my name is Sami, which means one of the Semite people which I am but I am anti-Zionist and nothing would convince me that the zionists are not criminals for all the war crimes they do against the Palestinian natives !!
Sami, the bedouin.
i agree with you sami – i think peace doesnt exist.. peace is no longer about living in harmony and dignity but more about how much can we screw each other into the worst position..
the only point i disagree about is that i think (history aside) both israelis and palestinians have been equally stupid about this.. im embarrassed to be middle eastern sometimes..
and one more thing.. the whole normalisation thing is a shame.. we should encourage simple people to be friends.. not discourage it in the name of politics.. thats ridiculous.. its like saying that fat people should eat shit food unless and until they can find A-grade organic produce and a state of the art gym..
every effort counts and grass roots movements are based on the individual and are fundamentally necessary to enable a peace process to lift off..