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> <channel><title>Comments on: Key Zionist pioneer renounces Zionism</title> <atom:link href="http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/09/05/key-zionist-pioneer-renounces-zionism/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/09/05/key-zionist-pioneer-renounces-zionism/</link> <description>Promoting a fierce but respectful dialogue among the highly diverse youth of the Middle East</description> <lastBuildDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 22:56:34 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Richard Wicks</title><link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/09/05/key-zionist-pioneer-renounces-zionism/#comment-278676</link> <dc:creator>Richard Wicks</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 01:00:42 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.mideastyouth.com/?p=5286#comment-278676</guid> <description>I am American reading this conversation.I have watched with some disbelief at our media coverage of the conflict.  I wonder why the concept of creating a Jewish state controlled by Jewish people for Jewish people is different in any ideological way in creating a white state, for white people, run by white people.  This was our Klu Klux Klan, which was rightfully defeated in my country.The defeat of the Klu Klux Klan has regulated it to a minority status fringe group.  It made the United States a somewhat credible nation when it talked about basic human rights.  The US has lost a great deal of credibility with it&#039;s unqualified and absolute support of Israel.Until Israel defeats it&#039;s own Klu Klux Klan which runs the entire nation of Israel, it won&#039;t be a credible nation to anybody that is well enough educated to see what Zionism is - it&#039;s a racist ideology no different than the ideology of the KKK or the Nazis.  Although different measures have been taken by these 3 groups to achieve their goals, at their core is the promotion of one demographic at the expense of another.  Invariably, this leads to ill will and conflict that will continue to exist until one demographic or the other is absolutely defeated.  The white minority governments of Zimbabwe and S. Africa were defeated.  The Nazis were defeated, the Klu Klux Klan was defeated.Zionism may still win however.  There has been an ongoing guerilla war in what was the British Mandate of Palestine since it&#039;s creation by the UN in 1948.  Has any nation been able to win a guerilla war?  Yes - but only though genocide.  The United States beat the guerilla warriors of the Phillipines by murdering civilians and only stopping when the guerilla soldiers surrendered, unconditionally.  The US only beat the natives of our country by killing nearly all of them, then finally granting them full citizenship rights and in some cases, rights above and beyond what normal citizens of the US enjoy.Is this what Israel intends to do?  This is why Israel will have to do if history is any guide - but it&#039;s not 1850 anymore, it&#039;s not 1950 anymore, and the world watches, and it records.  Zionists make a claim to the land when it was Nero of Rome that removed those distant ancestors nearly 2000 years ago, that&#039;s about 80 generations ago.  There are about 4 million Palestinians in their diaspora now.  Do Zionists expect them to forget after less than 70 years?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am American reading this conversation.</p><p>I have watched with some disbelief at our media coverage of the conflict.  I wonder why the concept of creating a Jewish state controlled by Jewish people for Jewish people is different in any ideological way in creating a white state, for white people, run by white people.  This was our Klu Klux Klan, which was rightfully defeated in my country.</p><p>The defeat of the Klu Klux Klan has regulated it to a minority status fringe group.  It made the United States a somewhat credible nation when it talked about basic human rights.  The US has lost a great deal of credibility with it&#8217;s unqualified and absolute support of Israel.</p><p>Until Israel defeats it&#8217;s own Klu Klux Klan which runs the entire nation of Israel, it won&#8217;t be a credible nation to anybody that is well enough educated to see what Zionism is &#8211; it&#8217;s a racist ideology no different than the ideology of the KKK or the Nazis.  Although different measures have been taken by these 3 groups to achieve their goals, at their core is the promotion of one demographic at the expense of another.  Invariably, this leads to ill will and conflict that will continue to exist until one demographic or the other is absolutely defeated.  The white minority governments of Zimbabwe and S. Africa were defeated.  The Nazis were defeated, the Klu Klux Klan was defeated.</p><p>Zionism may still win however.  There has been an ongoing guerilla war in what was the British Mandate of Palestine since it&#8217;s creation by the UN in 1948.  Has any nation been able to win a guerilla war?  Yes &#8211; but only though genocide.  The United States beat the guerilla warriors of the Phillipines by murdering civilians and only stopping when the guerilla soldiers surrendered, unconditionally.  The US only beat the natives of our country by killing nearly all of them, then finally granting them full citizenship rights and in some cases, rights above and beyond what normal citizens of the US enjoy.</p><p>Is this what Israel intends to do?  This is why Israel will have to do if history is any guide &#8211; but it&#8217;s not 1850 anymore, it&#8217;s not 1950 anymore, and the world watches, and it records.  Zionists make a claim to the land when it was Nero of Rome that removed those distant ancestors nearly 2000 years ago, that&#8217;s about 80 generations ago.  There are about 4 million Palestinians in their diaspora now.  Do Zionists expect them to forget after less than 70 years?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Elizabeth (Israel)</title><link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/09/05/key-zionist-pioneer-renounces-zionism/#comment-277908</link> <dc:creator>Elizabeth (Israel)</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 22:52:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.mideastyouth.com/?p=5286#comment-277908</guid> <description>I don&#039;t have anything against writing about it. I just don&#039;t see how this is a big deal. People get disillusioned with ideological and religious beliefs every day. I hope this comparison isn&#039;t offensive, but to me it seems just like when people use Ayan Hirsi Ali or Walid Shoebat to discredit Islam. The fact that those people left Islam and are now blaming it for being a hateful and aggressive religion, doesn&#039;t make it so.
He&#039;s entitled to his own opinion, but it in no way means that others should think the same because he&#039;s a &quot;key Zionists&quot; or whatever.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have anything against writing about it. I just don&#8217;t see how this is a big deal. People get disillusioned with ideological and religious beliefs every day. I hope this comparison isn&#8217;t offensive, but to me it seems just like when people use Ayan Hirsi Ali or Walid Shoebat to discredit Islam. The fact that those people left Islam and are now blaming it for being a hateful and aggressive religion, doesn&#8217;t make it so.<br
/> He&#8217;s entitled to his own opinion, but it in no way means that others should think the same because he&#8217;s a &#8220;key Zionists&#8221; or whatever.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Qazi Fazli Azeem (Pakistan)</title><link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/09/05/key-zionist-pioneer-renounces-zionism/#comment-277605</link> <dc:creator>Qazi Fazli Azeem (Pakistan)</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 17:47:46 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.mideastyouth.com/?p=5286#comment-277605</guid> <description>Shalom Ahavshalom, Manish ma?I do not agree, based on scientific reasoning. You quote a research paper from 1999, that is 10 years ago. I quote from research conducted in 2004, the article which was published in the eminent scientific journal &quot;Genetics&quot;.
See this &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gnxp.com/MT2/archives/003047.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;link&lt;/a&gt; for the details of the paper
Also see same paper &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gnxp.com/MT2/archives/003047.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;
Show me the science.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shalom Ahavshalom, Manish ma?</p><p>I do not agree, based on scientific reasoning. You quote a research paper from 1999, that is 10 years ago. I quote from research conducted in 2004, the article which was published in the eminent scientific journal &#8220;Genetics&#8221;.<br
/> See this <a
href="http://www.gnxp.com/MT2/archives/003047.html" rel="nofollow">link</a> for the details of the paper<br
/> Also see same paper <a
href="http://www.gnxp.com/MT2/archives/003047.html" rel="nofollow">here</a><br
/> Show me the science.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ahavshalom the Yehudi</title><link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/09/05/key-zionist-pioneer-renounces-zionism/#comment-277519</link> <dc:creator>Ahavshalom the Yehudi</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 12:35:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.mideastyouth.com/?p=5286#comment-277519</guid> <description>The Khazar theory that modern Jews are not descended from a common Middle East population has been thoroughly disproved.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars#Alleged_Khazar_ancestry_of_Ashkenazim
Modern DNA studies on the Y chromosome of Jews worldwide have largely disproven the Khazar origin theory for the vast majority of Ashkenazi DNA.A 1999 study by Hammer et al., published in the Proceedings of the United States National Academy of Sciences compared the Y chromosomes of Ashkenazi, Roman, North African, Kurdish, Near Eastern, Yemenite, and Ethiopian Jews with 16 non-Jewish groups from similar geographic locations. It found that &quot;Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were not significantly different from one another at the genetic level... The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora.&quot;[45] According to Nicholas Wade &quot;The results accord with Jewish history and tradition and refute theories like those holding that Jewish communities consist mostly of converts from other faiths, or that they are descended from the Khazars, a medieval Turkish tribe that adopted Judaism.&quot;[46]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Khazar theory that modern Jews are not descended from a common Middle East population has been thoroughly disproved.</p><p><a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars#Alleged_Khazar_ancestry_of_Ashkenazim" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars#Alleged_Khazar_ancestry_of_Ashkenazim</a><br
/> Modern DNA studies on the Y chromosome of Jews worldwide have largely disproven the Khazar origin theory for the vast majority of Ashkenazi DNA.</p><p>A 1999 study by Hammer et al., published in the Proceedings of the United States National Academy of Sciences compared the Y chromosomes of Ashkenazi, Roman, North African, Kurdish, Near Eastern, Yemenite, and Ethiopian Jews with 16 non-Jewish groups from similar geographic locations. It found that &#8220;Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were not significantly different from one another at the genetic level&#8230; The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora.&#8221;[45] According to Nicholas Wade &#8220;The results accord with Jewish history and tradition and refute theories like those holding that Jewish communities consist mostly of converts from other faiths, or that they are descended from the Khazars, a medieval Turkish tribe that adopted Judaism.&#8221;[46]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Eva (Israel)</title><link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/09/05/key-zionist-pioneer-renounces-zionism/#comment-277310</link> <dc:creator>Eva (Israel)</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 14:00:57 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.mideastyouth.com/?p=5286#comment-277310</guid> <description>Elizabeth - I personally don&#039;t even know him. Avnery obviously pays attention to what he does and says. That his change of views have been known for a while is obvious in the article. I don&#039;t think that the expression &quot;Key Zionist pioneer&quot; is the most important message in this article. He&#039;s probably known to the &quot;old&quot; establishment - but what&#039;s important for ME is what he says - and most of all, HOW he says it!! What I found surprising and worth mentioning is his choice of words to describe the failure of Zionism and what it has brought... That was for me worth writing about...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elizabeth &#8211; I personally don&#8217;t even know him. Avnery obviously pays attention to what he does and says. That his change of views have been known for a while is obvious in the article. I don&#8217;t think that the expression &#8220;Key Zionist pioneer&#8221; is the most important message in this article. He&#8217;s probably known to the &#8220;old&#8221; establishment &#8211; but what&#8217;s important for ME is what he says &#8211; and most of all, HOW he says it!! What I found surprising and worth mentioning is his choice of words to describe the failure of Zionism and what it has brought&#8230; That was for me worth writing about&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Elizabeth (Israel)</title><link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/09/05/key-zionist-pioneer-renounces-zionism/#comment-277170</link> <dc:creator>Elizabeth (Israel)</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 00:21:20 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.mideastyouth.com/?p=5286#comment-277170</guid> <description>If Dov Yermiyha is a &quot;Key Zionist pioneer&quot; than I&#039;m a sack of potatoes. Yes, he fought for the Palmach and was friends with Moshe Dayan, but that doesn&#039;t make him important or influential. By the way, his anti-Zionist tendencies are a known fact for &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dugrinet.co.il/he/1872/story/2009/january/26&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;over a year&lt;/a&gt;, at least (Hebrew).</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Dov Yermiyha is a &#8220;Key Zionist pioneer&#8221; than I&#8217;m a sack of potatoes. Yes, he fought for the Palmach and was friends with Moshe Dayan, but that doesn&#8217;t make him important or influential. By the way, his anti-Zionist tendencies are a known fact for <a
href="http://www.dugrinet.co.il/he/1872/story/2009/january/26" rel="nofollow">over a year</a>, at least (Hebrew).</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Sami, the beduin.</title><link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/09/05/key-zionist-pioneer-renounces-zionism/#comment-277109</link> <dc:creator>Sami, the beduin.</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 20:25:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.mideastyouth.com/?p=5286#comment-277109</guid> <description>&lt;blockquote&gt;dancing and dancing and dancing on.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Avnery !!!You were dancing then on the devastation of demolished Karmel villages.... and you are still dancing and dancing and dancing on our blood and the corpses of our children !!! We can only dance together... but never ever one dance while the other is thrown away from his home mourning his demolished home and lynched children !!I can understand and forgive, but only if I go back home to live normally like any human being but not a goi, a beast!!Sami, the bedouin.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>dancing and dancing and dancing on.</p></blockquote><p>Avnery !!!</p><p>You were dancing then on the devastation of demolished Karmel villages&#8230;. and you are still dancing and dancing and dancing on our blood and the corpses of our children !!! We can only dance together&#8230; but never ever one dance while the other is thrown away from his home mourning his demolished home and lynched children !!</p><p>I can understand and forgive, but only if I go back home to live normally like any human being but not a goi, a beast!!</p><p>Sami, the bedouin.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Sami, the beduin.</title><link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/09/05/key-zionist-pioneer-renounces-zionism/#comment-277100</link> <dc:creator>Sami, the beduin.</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 19:43:06 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.mideastyouth.com/?p=5286#comment-277100</guid> <description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Israel will never be forgiven for the terrible toll of blood spilt, and especially the blood of children, in hair-raising quantities…”&lt;/blockquote&gt;I say what Dr. Edward Said says:&quot;We, Palestinians, can never forget what happened to us, its part of our history, but we are always ready to forgive if there was a good will in the other side, to see us as humans.&quot;&lt;strong&gt;Look at what Germany did to the jews in WW2 and look to see how it is with jews now !!&lt;/strong&gt;Are the zionists ready to express their sorrow to what they did and still doing to us? Only then there will be peace.Peace be on you.Sami, the bedouin</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Israel will never be forgiven for the terrible toll of blood spilt, and especially the blood of children, in hair-raising quantities…”</p></blockquote><p>I say what Dr. Edward Said says:</p><p>&#8220;We, Palestinians, can never forget what happened to us, its part of our history, but we are always ready to forgive if there was a good will in the other side, to see us as humans.&#8221;</p><p><strong>Look at what Germany did to the jews in WW2 and look to see how it is with jews now !!</strong></p><p>Are the zionists ready to express their sorrow to what they did and still doing to us? Only then there will be peace.</p><p>Peace be on you.</p><p>Sami, the bedouin</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Qazi Fazli Azeem (Pakistan)</title><link>http://www.mideastyouth.com/2009/09/05/key-zionist-pioneer-renounces-zionism/#comment-277099</link> <dc:creator>Qazi Fazli Azeem (Pakistan)</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 19:21:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.mideastyouth.com/?p=5286#comment-277099</guid> <description>Well, the Bni Menashe and the Lemba, the Beta Israel, Falasha, Sepharidi, even the Rastafarians, they all need housing, and since they are returning to the exact location that their ancestors were in before the exiles, they are kicking out the proverbial philistines. The problem is that these Palestinians are not giant Goliaths, neither are they foreigners, neither is their language so different from the yehudim (it is the same language, aleph, bey, pay tey...), hence this may be &quot;an eye for an eye....&quot;, the Palestinians are being punished for what their philistine ancestors did to the yehudim 3000 years ago, the strange part is that neither are most of the Jews blood descendants of the Yehudim (Ashkenazi are descended from Turkik Khazars), neither are the Palestinians of Israel descendants of the Philistines (they intermarried with arabs and yehudim as well as syrians, phonecians and egyptians). So we have 2 people who are pretending to be related to ancient people of 3000 years ago, neither do the Jews follow the exact Yehudim religions (they did not have Talmud), neither are the Palestenians worshiping the idol Baal, they are monotheist now and worship el, using the Hebrew language of Aleph, bey, pay. All in the name of religion, makes me think why Karl Marx, descendant of rabbis,  made communism in the first place, maybe he was sick of the killing in the name of religion.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the Bni Menashe and the Lemba, the Beta Israel, Falasha, Sepharidi, even the Rastafarians, they all need housing, and since they are returning to the exact location that their ancestors were in before the exiles, they are kicking out the proverbial philistines. The problem is that these Palestinians are not giant Goliaths, neither are they foreigners, neither is their language so different from the yehudim (it is the same language, aleph, bey, pay tey&#8230;), hence this may be &#8220;an eye for an eye&#8230;.&#8221;, the Palestinians are being punished for what their philistine ancestors did to the yehudim 3000 years ago, the strange part is that neither are most of the Jews blood descendants of the Yehudim (Ashkenazi are descended from Turkik Khazars), neither are the Palestinians of Israel descendants of the Philistines (they intermarried with arabs and yehudim as well as syrians, phonecians and egyptians). So we have 2 people who are pretending to be related to ancient people of 3000 years ago, neither do the Jews follow the exact Yehudim religions (they did not have Talmud), neither are the Palestenians worshiping the idol Baal, they are monotheist now and worship el, using the Hebrew language of Aleph, bey, pay. All in the name of religion, makes me think why Karl Marx, descendant of rabbis,  made communism in the first place, maybe he was sick of the killing in the name of religion.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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